US Democrats unveil carbon-neutral 'Green New Deal'

February 7, 2019
Congressional Democrats including Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Senator Ed Markey have introduced a framework to b
Congressional Democrats including Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Senator Ed Markey have introduced a framework to battle climate change known as the "Green New Deal," which will promote clean energy programs across the United States

Congressional Democrats on Thursday unveiled an unprecedented plan to reverse climate change and eliminate all US carbon emissions within 10 years, by taking drastic steps that would require transformational action across the economy.

The "Green New Deal" introduced by liberal congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a rising Democratic star in the House, and Senator Ed Markey is a dramatic, potentially unrealistic, statement of intent on a sustainable path forward.

"This is our first step," Ocasio-Cortez told reporters.

"Today is the day we choose to assert ourselves as a global leader in transitioning to 100 percent renewable energy and charting that path."

The plan does not detail exactly how America will wean itself off of fossil fuels, or how much the ambitious transformation will cost.

The Republican Party hammered the deal as a "socialist wish list" which could cost upwards of $2 trillion.

The non-binding resolution is effectively a blueprint of dramatic action—it proposes "upgrading all existing buildings" in the country, for example—that could be taken to address climate change.

It is already playing a role on the 2020 presidential campaign trail, with progressive Democratic hopefuls including Senators Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren expressing support.

"The green generation has risen up, and they are saying they want this issue solved," Markey said. "So this is going to enter the 2020 election cycle as one of the top two or three issues."

The ambitious goal, according to the measure, is to achieve "net-zero greenhouse gas emissions," in part by meeting 100 percent of the power demand through clean, renewable, and zero-emission energy sources.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who appeared to brush off the resolution as a "green dream" the day before, welcomed the "enthusiasm" with which Democrats were engaging in pushing the framework.

The measure has dozens of sponsors, none of them Republican.

The goal to become carbon neutral within a decade will most likely prove exceedingly ambitious, given the oil and gas industry's deep entrenchment in the global economy.

One critical factor will be the buy-in of President Donald Trump, who pulled the US out of the Paris climate accord , as is seen by Democrats as the world's most prominent denier.

The Paris deal saw nations agree to limit global temperature rises this century to below two degrees Celsius (3.6 Fahrenheit), and under 1.5C if possible.

Failure to meet those goals, scientists have said, could result in irreversible sea level rise, disastrous droughts and higher temperatures.

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JamesG
3.3 / 5 (11) Feb 07, 2019
The ONLY way this would be put in effect is if Democrats literally overthrew the government and made the US a totalitarian country. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but the people putting this together are extreme socialist, more like Communists, and the thought has to have occurred to them.
philstacy9
3 / 5 (8) Feb 07, 2019
Democrats do not necessarily believe in their stated environmental issues. Democrats organize the less intelligent to gain the power of political office and can become very wealthy (like the Clintons and Obama) while in office. The Democrat platform to recruit low intelligence to vote Democrat need not have anything to do with scientific reality other than the psychology of propaganda to manipulate low intelligence.
Doug_Nightmare
3 / 5 (8) Feb 07, 2019
LOL. What is new is old again. Sickly green on the outside but still pinko on the inside.

Law and order conservative tyrants are preferred to the chaos and anarchy of progressive demagogues. That is how Adolph Shickelgruber got democratically elected. Consider the alternative then.
mrburns
2.3 / 5 (6) Feb 07, 2019
Why are the blatantly ridiculous delusions of progressive idiots the topic of a supposedly scientific article. rebuilding every structure in the country, stopping all air traffic and replacing it with trains and public transit (which would require a high speed train across the pacific ocean to Hawaii) is ludicrous. Ending all reliance on fossil fuels in 10 years would kill most of the population in northern climes and make summer unbearable in the southern climes. This manifesto reads like the work of stoned high school drop outs.
howhot3
3.6 / 5 (5) Feb 07, 2019
Oh heck yeah what a great idea I love it!
Mark Thomas
1.8 / 5 (6) Feb 08, 2019
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for President in 2020!
cantdrive85
3.6 / 5 (5) Feb 08, 2019
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for President in 2020!

The moronics of the commie libs in a brief yet expansive comment.
Mark Thomas
1.7 / 5 (3) Feb 08, 2019
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for President in 2020!
antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (3) Feb 08, 2019
I wish her all the best on this, but I also wish americans would stop talking about being a 'world leader' in...anything. It's sorta bizarre. (maybe with respect to "homicide rates", "prison population" and "wars waged" one could argue for its world leadership...but I'm unsure if anyone would want to stress that overly much)
MR166
2.5 / 5 (4) Feb 08, 2019
AOC is delusional and an economic moron. Yet she managed to get an instant following. This does no bode well for this nation.
Mark Thomas
3.8 / 5 (4) Feb 08, 2019
Look at all the pathetic insults thrown at Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Their fear is palpable. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that she wants to raise the top income tax rate to 70% for people making over $10M per year. Even though more than 3/4 of U.S. voters agree, nearly every major U.S. publication and all the trolls here are stumbling over themselves to explain how bad an idea that is and how bad Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is. In truth, because the rich have completely corrupted the Republican Party in the U.S., we are running trillion dollar deficits at a time when we should be running surpluses to pay down the national debt.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for President in 2020!
antigoracle
2.6 / 5 (5) Feb 08, 2019
The plan does not detail exactly how America will wean itself off of fossil fuels, or how much the ambitious transformation will cost.

LMAO.
Now, that's a "plan".
The Republicans should not oppose them and let their astounding stupidity be their downfall.
humy
4.7 / 5 (6) Feb 08, 2019
The ONLY way this would be put in effect is if Democrats literally overthrew the government and made the US a totalitarian country. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but the people putting this together are extreme socialist, more like Communists, and the thought has to have occurred to them.
JamesG

WOW you are delusional.
Da Schneib
4.4 / 5 (7) Feb 08, 2019
The question here is whether you choose to watch it coming and lie about it or do something constructive. We wouldn't be in this fix if something had started being done in the 1980s when we found out about it.
antigoracle
1 / 5 (4) Feb 08, 2019
The question here is whether you choose to watch it coming and lie about it or do something constructive. We wouldn't be in this fix if something had started being done in the 1980s when we found out about it.

Da Schitt, the "meat" loving, knob gobbler, brays again.
This is the jackass, whose boyfriend is feeding him so much "meat", he boasts about the fact that he will never stop eating beef, despite knowing what that industry contributes to CO2 and methane.
So, the jackass believes, he's being "constructive" when he is braying at the heretics. Yep, this jackass will save the world.
Da Schneib
4.2 / 5 (5) Feb 08, 2019
Maybe @tehalgore would be more credible if it had any evidence. You know, instead of the constant geighophobia.

My wife thinks you're pretty funny and a really incompetent troll.

Enjoy it when the cesspool gang comes for you.
MR166
2.7 / 5 (3) Feb 08, 2019
It is just amazing to me that people on this thread who profess to know science can support the lunatic ravings of AOC.
Da Schneib
4 / 5 (4) Feb 08, 2019
So, mix politics with your science much, @MR?

Just askin'.
MR166
2.3 / 5 (4) Feb 08, 2019
So, mix politics with your science much, @MR?

Da scientists use logic, not emotion when making political decisions. This is a political thread so my comments are germain to the thread.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (2) Feb 08, 2019
we are running trillion dollar deficits at a time when we should be running surpluses to pay down the national debt.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for President in 2020!
""The Green New Deal we are proposing will be similar in scale to the mobilization efforts seen in World War II or the Marshall Plan," she said by email. "It will require the investment of trillions of dollars and the creation of millions of high-wage jobs..."

-She means govt jobs. And her proposed mobilization effort would resemble mao's 5 year plans...

"led to a severe famine resulting in 40 million deaths..."

-Which is what happens when you allow high school kids like aoc to kill their teachers.

Aoc wants to eliminate air travel, rebuild all existing bldgs in the US, and pay people who dont want to work.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.5 / 5 (4) Feb 08, 2019
"Essentially, Ocasio-Cortez is continuing to argue for Modern Monetary Theory — something she said "absolutely" needs to be "a larger part of our conversation" in a recent Business Insider interview. The theory says that because governments can literally print money, "they can spend as much as they like," Politico explains. "Inflation is the only obstacle" that should stop the presses..."
Mark Thomas
4.5 / 5 (4) Feb 08, 2019
Regardless of the practicality of this particular proposal without more work, AOC's heart is in the right place, unlike all the thoroughly corrupt Republicans we have running the U.S. right now. There are plenty of things that could be done to address Global Warming if it were not for massive corruption. That is why the far right fear her so much, i.e., they don't own her and she is young and idealistic enough to still believe she can do the right thing as opposed to serving their interests. I like her.
MR166
2 / 5 (4) Feb 08, 2019
", AOC's heart is in the right place,"

Did you ever hear the phrase "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." ?
Mark Thomas
4 / 5 (4) Feb 08, 2019
we are running trillion dollar deficits at a time when we should be running surpluses to pay down the national debt.


If the top 1% have as much money as the bottom 99% to live on, it sure looks like they are not paying their fair share.
Mark Thomas
4.5 / 5 (4) Feb 08, 2019
So which is better then? A young and idealistic person who lacks experience but tries to do the right thing or an old pathological liar and charlatan who only acts in his own self interest and has no interest in doing the right thing? Neither is ideal, but at least the young and idealistic person might hit the target once in a while. The old pathological liar won't even try.
MR166
2 / 5 (4) Feb 08, 2019
Hugo Chavez was an idealist.
Nicklaus Maduro was an idealist.
Karl Marx was an idealist.

On and on the list goes.
antigoracle
2 / 5 (4) Feb 08, 2019
So which is better then? A young and idealistic person who lacks experience but tries to do the right thing or an old pathological liar and charlatan who only acts in his own self interest and has no interest in doing the right thing? Neither is ideal, but at least the young and idealistic person might hit the target once in a while. The old pathological liar won't even try.

The Mark ThomASS, brays.
This is the jackass who boasts about joyriding and speeding in his Tesla, totally ignorant of the fact that most of the electricity in that car comes from fossil fuels.
Yet, this jackass believes that the "right thing", is to bray at the heretics.
MR166
2 / 5 (4) Feb 08, 2019
Basically her printing money plan is a tax on the middle class savers. The rich have the bulk of their investments made with borrowed money and printing more money makes it easier to pay back the loans. The working poor have no money and depend on government monies ( printing ) to survive. The middle class with money in the bank are hit with inflation the eats away at their savings. Thus under her plan the rich get richer and the middle class morph into the poor.
cantdrive85
3 / 5 (4) Feb 08, 2019
If the top 1% have as much money as the bottom 99% to live on,

Dumbocrats and repugnicans can be blamed for that, partly by passing schemes such as the idiotic new scam described above.
MR166
2.3 / 5 (3) Feb 08, 2019
If the top 1% have as much money as the bottom 99% to live on,

Dumbocrats and repugnicans can be blamed for that, partly by passing schemes such as the idiotic new scam described above.


Your are 100% correct Cantdrive85. Green projects that all operate at a loss is the biggest form of Crony Capitalism in existence today.

All these projects do is raise energy costs for the poor and middle class.
Mark Thomas
4 / 5 (4) Feb 08, 2019
Antiporacle, the puss infected scab, oozes once again. Ooze, Ooze, Ooze. Your entire existence is dedicated to making the problem of Global Warming even worse. You have done absolutely nothing to help and instead attack the science and positive efforts of others at every turn with lies and obfuscation. How do you live with yourself knowing that you are the lowest puss infected scab on the body of humanity? Do you fear karma catching up with you some day? Perhaps it would be fitting if your cells turned cancerous and consumed you as you turned traitorous against humanity.

BTW, my joyriding comes from nuclear and wind more than fossil fuels you moron.
torbjorn_b_g_larsson
5 / 5 (3) Feb 08, 2019
Oy, but this is so myopic US when the problem is global.

This is a thread on a science site (despite many USians believing the *science* is political) of political outcomes (but happily immediately then USians forget to make AGW politics).

What is the science here?

- We do not need to make the world carbon neutral in 10 years, but it suffice to start replacing fossil fuels and most of all never build new coal plants.

- If we do nothing it will cost trillions of dollars and hundreds of millions migrants and tens of million deaths. If we do what we can we will get the best ROI.

- The article is AFAIK wrong, we are already in irreversible mode re extinctions and ecological changes. The difference is in degree of harm.

- tbctd -
torbjorn_b_g_larsson
5 / 5 (3) Feb 08, 2019
- ctd-

What is the politics here?

- Politicians can suggest ideal goals with details to be filled in as here, it is ordinary politics.

- Regulating energy is factually modern mixed economy, whether or not US R or D does it, or anecdotal dictators or populists are brought up.

- Is the mixed economy tail of 1 % rich a problem? No, in global statistics [Gapminder] the world is still moving towards better economy for all classes, the *only and short* exception was the US middle class the decade after 2006 house market crash. Hence Trump, who ironically admitted to be one of those that earned most from short changing others, but buried that scandal as he did his other ones.

- This is re migration more effective and economical than the infamous US free nation, warmhearted, no fascist "Wally McWallface", whether concrete, steel or now latest military men as designated by the corrupt grifter president Trump. (With a less than 1/10 global and 1/3 US approval - a world record
ShotmanMaslo
3.3 / 5 (3) Feb 08, 2019
Any real green deal would be limited to what actually matters for climate - strong support for carbon neutral (renewable and preferably also nuclear) power and electric transportation. I would agree with such deal for sure. But no, lets just shoehorn lots of unrelated leftist political talking points into it, lol. Including a real gem about providing economic security even to those unwilling (!) to work. As they say, green on the outside, red on the inside.
antigoracle
2.3 / 5 (3) Feb 08, 2019
HAWW....HAWW....HEE...HEE...HAWW....
BTW, my joyriding comes from nuclear and wind more than fossil fuels you moron.

And so, the Mark ThomASS, brays again.
This is so typical of the Chicken Little jackass. It believes that nuclear and wind supply most of the power for his Tesla, therefore, he can go on WASTEFUL joyriding.
https://www.eia.g...&t=3
Keep braying at the heretics, you jackass, that's how you'll save the world.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (2) Feb 08, 2019
Regardless of the practicality of this particular proposal without more work, AOC's heart is in the right place
No her heart is with the same people in VA who want to birth a baby, set it on the table, and then let the mother and her doctor have a discussion on whether to kill it or not.

Meanwhile her brain is nowhere to be found.

In case euros missed dem infanticide

"Mr. Northam said late-term abortions generally involve deformed or non-viable fetuses, and he went into detail about the steps that would happen if a woman in such a case was in labor. "The infant would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and mother," he said."

-Generally. Most of the time. Except when they dont, which is also ok according to dems.
https://youtu.be/ihCBp0-9XAc
TheGhostofOtto1923
5 / 5 (1) Feb 08, 2019
The ONLY way this would be put in effect is if Democrats literally overthrew the government and made the US a totalitarian country. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but the people putting this together are extreme socialist, more like Communists, and the thought has to have occurred to them.
JamesG
WOW you are delusional
-One thing to consider - nothing is forever. Capitalism at the moment is allowing corporations and individuals to pocket increased profits as automation replaces humans at unprecedented rates. The proper thing to do, as gates and others have suggested, is to pay machines directly for their work and then tax them directly. And yes, this will take a revolution of sorts with the uncomfortable prospect of a billion or 2 people with no prospect of work.

So until pops shrink via current western lifestyles, a socialist system to redistribute wealth will have to ensue.
Cont>
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (2) Feb 08, 2019
Sorry I would fix that but I cant on this S8-

The other thing to consider is the gradual ceding of decision-making to AI. AI will not need competition or compromise to determine the proper course of action. It gathers all pertinent facts and produces the one best alternative. It doesnt want your opinion because opinions are inevitably tribal-based, including only favorable facts.

This will be a sort of advanced socialist one party system akin to monarchies. But we will all love it so much because the media will be free of all the lying putrid garbage we are being fed at the moment to prepare us for this pleasant respite. And things will be so much better for everyone I guarantee.
TrollBane
5 / 5 (2) Feb 08, 2019
Hugo Chavez was an idealist.
Nicklaus Maduro was an idealist.
Karl Marx was an idealist.

On and on the list goes.
Until you reach the Hamburgler, Sasquatch, the one-armed man from The Fugitive and that slug from under the rotting log. No matter how low you go, it's a fallacious argument.
MR166
5 / 5 (1) Feb 08, 2019
I will vote for a pragmatist over an idealist each and every time!!!!!
snoosebaum
1 / 5 (1) Feb 08, 2019
I wouldn't worry too much about it , they will dispose of Miss Occasional Cortex in time .
snoosebaum
1 / 5 (1) Feb 08, 2019
WillieWard
3.4 / 5 (5) Feb 10, 2019
Green New Deal: "Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!"
https://pbs.twimg...4vyr.jpg

"A Green New Deal must not sabotage climate goals" - Jan 30, 2019
https://thebullet...e-goals/
"The Only Green New Deals That Have Ever Worked Were Done With Nuclear, Not Renewables" - Feb 8, 2019
https://www.forbe...ewables/

"The Green New Deal would empower and give handout to left-wing special interest groups and industries."
"AOC's Green New Deal Is Trojan Horse for Socialism"
"Churchill: Socialism may begin with the best of intentions, but it always ends with the Gestapo."
"Socialism = short term gain (for the unproductive) and long term pain for all."
Socialism/Intermittent renewables (parasites) cannot survive without a host (capitalism / fossil-fueled grid).
jonesdave
2.7 / 5 (7) Feb 10, 2019
^^^^^^^ Only a right-wing conspiracist fruitloop could equate renewable energy with socialism! What a dick!
cantdrive85
3 / 5 (6) Feb 10, 2019
This "green new deal" is more communistic than socialist, that's why the neo-libs are so excited about it. It's the fast track to their idealized fantasyland, AOC as their new Lenin/Castro for Amerika.
cantdrive85
3.5 / 5 (8) Feb 10, 2019
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy."
― Elmer T Peterson
cantdrive85
2.6 / 5 (5) Feb 10, 2019
Do as they say, not as they do! They know what's best for all us pleebs as they continue living the lifestyle of destruction.
https://www.foxne...ate-jets
granville583762
3 / 5 (2) Feb 10, 2019
Energy is a quantum of acceleration
by
multiplicative of these accelerations
these quantum particles of life
there by accelerate
in quantum steps
in quantum multiplicative steps
this is how protons and electrons create their energy source
in this vacuum
by this method
quantum particles multiply their energy
so
back to our macro-world
where we live and breath
of this quantised energy
of
these quantum nucleans of which we exist
this energy trancensds this quantum-world
into our macro-world
and with them so their energy
but
do
we use this bountiful unlimited energy supply
no
no we do not
we
squabble over oil, windmills, tidal
with its supply problems into electric cars
where
as
this clouds our vision
in
our quantum-world
our
protons and electrons
continue this quantum of acceleration
that
when exploited
will power our electric cars electrically
with no need of 1000lb batteries
A little 12V starter battery is all that's needed
Mark Thomas
5 / 5 (1) Feb 10, 2019
It is interesting to watch all the trolls and troll-wannabes advocate for continued corruption and the status quo. Nothing in any of your deceptive comments addresses global warming or the vast corruption of the Republican Party. Other than more lying and obfuscating, what are your plans to address global warming and the vast corruption of the Republican Party? What are each of you personally doing to address global warming and the vast corruption of the Republican Party?

By your false premises, mislabeling and fundamentally flawed logic, each of you are part of the problem and have demonstrated no interest in a solution.
jonesdave
3.4 / 5 (5) Feb 10, 2019
This "green new deal" is more communistic than socialist, that's why the neo-libs are so excited about it. It's the fast track to their idealized fantasyland, AOC as their new Lenin/Castro for Amerika.


What a twat! Lol.
cantdrive85
4 / 5 (4) Feb 10, 2019
what are your plans to address global warming

Talk to the Sun, the issue of climate change is beyond any control man can implement. Should we continue to pollute, absolutely not. Draconian measures implemented based on lies and obfuscation is not the way to do it.

and the vast corruption of the Republican Party?

Dumbocrats and repugnicans are equally corrupt, any claims otherwise just goes to show what a moron you are as well as your naiveté.
MR166
3 / 5 (2) Feb 10, 2019
"Dumbocrats and repugnicans are equally corrupt, any claims otherwise just goes to show what a moron you are as well as your naiveté."

There is nothing that irritates me more than the liberals refusal to take ownership of the failures of their ideology. President Johnson's "Great Society" and the subsequent explosion of welfare mothers is a prime example of this.
Mark Thomas
3 / 5 (2) Feb 10, 2019
By your false premises, mislabeling and fundamentally flawed logic, each of you are part of the problem and have demonstrated no interest in a solution.


Cantdrive85 ("Talk to the Sun") and MR166 ("welfare mothers"), thank you for proving my point.
MR166
3 / 5 (2) Feb 10, 2019
MT why don't address the corruption of making promises that can never be kept. Yea, free housing, free medical, free college and free guaranteed income will bankrupt our system. That is the ultimate goal isn't it? The collapse of the US and it's replacement with the One World Government is the end game here.
antigoracle
2.3 / 5 (3) Feb 10, 2019
It is interesting to watch all the trolls.. HAWW HEE..HAWW...HEE...deceptive comments addresses global warming or the vast corruption of the Republican Party. Other than more lying and obfuscating, what are your plans to address global warming and the vast corruption of the Republican Party? What are each of you personally doing to address global warming and the vast corruption of the Republican Party?

By your false premises, mislabeling and fundamentally flawed logic, each of you are part of the problem and have demonstrated no interest in a solution.

The Mark ThomASS, brays again.
This is the jackass who boasts about his WASTEFUL joyriding in his Tesla, ignoring the fact that most of its electricity comes from fossil fuels.
So, how does this, holier than thou jackass, saves the world. He brays at the heretics. Keep braying ThomASS.
cantdrive85
3.7 / 5 (3) Feb 10, 2019
A few examples of the dumbocratic/socialistic utopia, USSR, Cambodia, Cuba, East Germany, Ethiopia, North Korea, Venezuela, Detroit, and California. Quite a list of successful enterprises! That free money program in Finland is a rip roaring success too, who the heck doesn't like something for nothing. No wonder dumbocrats are so popular amongst the morons.
https://www.rt.co...results/
MR166
3 / 5 (2) Feb 10, 2019
CD85 add to your list the total destruction of the US educational system. The STEM abilities of our graduates have deteriorated to the point that qualified workers must be imported from other countries. Just look at the research papers published on P.org. Most of the true science is being done by Asians. Of course we lead in climate research. As I just said, most of the true science is being done by foreign researchers.
cantdrive85
3.7 / 5 (3) Feb 10, 2019
CD85 add to your list the total destruction of the US educational system

Should be of no surprise, it is based on a communist dictum.
Mark Thomas
3 / 5 (2) Feb 10, 2019
Antiporacle, the puss infected scab, oozes once again. Ooze, Ooze, Ooze.

Antiporacle ("holier than thou"), just like Cantdrive85 ("Talk to the Sun") and MR166 ("welfare mothers"), thank you all for proving my point, i.e., by your false premises, mislabeling and fundamentally flawed logic, each of you are part of the problem and have demonstrated no interest in a solution.
Zzzzzzzz
not rated yet Feb 10, 2019
So, mix politics with your science much, @MR?

Just askin'.


You would have to first have some science
Zzzzzzzz
not rated yet Feb 10, 2019
torbjorn_b_g_larsson, the point is to make a statement, to take a stand. To start something that will result in action. I welcome it. Without something like this market forces are left to themselves. Market forces, BTW, are already forcing some things in the right direction, but we do not have the luxury of time. All the predictions that are coming true are occurring a lot faster than initially predicted.

While your points are not 100% valid, they have a fair measure of validity. They are not however reasons to denigrate this effort.
MR166
3 / 5 (2) Feb 10, 2019
The Left is not interested in new solutions they are only interested in their agenda. Trump is trying to institute new solutions and the left is livid, livid to the extent that they are willing to destroy everything that opposes their views.
MR166
5 / 5 (1) Feb 10, 2019
And to add insult to injury it is always the right's fault when their solutions fail miserably. Just look a Venezuela, in their minds this is the fault of the US and big oil.

Negotiate, compromise, not a chance. Just look at the actions of Nancy Pelosi, nuff said!!!
TheGhostofOtto1923
5 / 5 (1) Feb 11, 2019
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy."
― Elmer T Peterson
Actually I think it was aristotle who first pointed this out?

Plato in his Republic described the only stable form of govt - one that was controlled and manipulated by a hidden elite. Which explains both why soviet communism collapsed when it did, as if on cue, and why western democracies havent.

"Democracy is based on the assumption that a million men
are wiser than one man. How's that again? I missed something.

"Autocracy is based on the assumption that one man is wiser
than a million men. Let's play that over again too. Who
decides?" Lazarus Long
cantdrive85
3 / 5 (2) Feb 11, 2019
This "green new deal" is more communistic than socialist, that's why the neo-libs are so excited about it. It's the fast track to their idealized fantasyland, AOC as their new Lenin/Castro for Amerika.


What a twat! Lol.

Obviously the morons are confused that the bimbo's plan is communistic and that they realize how moronic the bimbo barista's plan is they have to lie about it.
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