NASA: Global warming is now changing how Earth wobbles

April 8, 2016 by By Seth Borenstein
In this July 26, 2011 file photo, drops of water fall from a melting iceberg near Nuuk, Greenland. Global warming is shifting the way the Earth wobbles on its polar axis, a new NASA study finds. Melting ice sheets, especially in Greenland, are changing the distribution of weight on Earth. And that has caused both the North Pole and the wobble, which is called polar motion, to change course, according to a study published Friday, April 8, 2016, in the journal Science Advances. (AP Photo/Brennan Linsley, File)

Global warming is shifting the way the Earth wobbles on its polar axis, a new NASA study finds.

Melting ice sheets—especially in Greenland—are changing the distribution of weight on Earth. And that has caused both the North Pole and the wobble, which is called polar motion, to change course, according to a study published Friday in the journal Science Advances.

Scientists and navigators have been accurately measuring the true pole and polar motion since 1899 and for almost the entire 20th century they migrated a bit toward Canada. But that has changed with this century and now it's moving toward England, said study lead author Surendra Adhikari at NASA's Jet Propulsion Lab.

"The recent shift from the 20th-century direction is very dramatic," Adhikari said.

While scientists say the shift is harmless, it is meaningful. Jonathan Overpeck, professor of geosciences at the University of Arizona who wasn't part of the study, said "this highlights how real and profoundly large an impact humans are having on the planet."

Since 2003, Greenland has lost on average more than 600 trillion pounds of ice a year and that affects the way the Earth wobbles in a manner similar to a figure skater lifting one leg while spinning, said NASA scientist Eirk Ivins, the study's co-author.

In this July 21, 2011 file photo, an iceberg floats in the sea near Qeqertarsuaq, Disko Island, Greenland. Global warming is shifting the way the Earth wobbles on its polar axis, a new NASA study finds. Melting ice sheets, especially in Greenland, are changing the distribution of weight on Earth. And that has caused both the North Pole and the wobble, which is called polar motion, to change course, according to a study published Friday, April 8, 2016, in the journal Science Advances. (AP Photo/Brennan Linsley, File)

Ivins said he likes to think of it as a billion trucks each year dumping ice out of Greenland. On top of that, West Antarctica loses 275 trillion pounds of ice and East Antarctica gains about 165 trillion pounds of ice yearly, helping tilt the wobble further, Ivins said.

They all combine to pull polar motion toward the east, Adhikari said.

Jianli Chen, a senior research scientist at the University of Texas' Center for Space Research, first attributed the pole shift to climate change in 2013 and he said this new study takes his work a step further.

"There is nothing to worry about," said Chen, who wasn't part of the NASA study. "It is just another interesting effect of climate change."

Explore further: Greenland's ice sheet from 40,000 feet

More information: "Climate Driven Polar Motion: 2003-2015," advances.sciencemag.org/content/2/4/e1501693

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philstacy9
1.8 / 5 (24) Apr 08, 2016
Global warming is like waterboarding the entire human race to death so I am broadcasting signals into space requesting aliens to destroy the earth in a quick death mercy killing rather than the prolonged torture of death by climate change.
Uncle Ira
4.5 / 5 (13) Apr 08, 2016
Is this the same thing as the precession that causes the North Star not to be the North Star every 26 some odd thousands of years? Or is that a different thing?
Tektrix
4.9 / 5 (17) Apr 08, 2016
. . . so I am broadcasting signals into space requesting aliens to destroy the earth . . .


We've heard you but we're having too much fun watching the trainwreck so, no, we're going to just leave y'all alone.
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (15) Apr 08, 2016
Is this the same thing as the precession that causes the North Star not to be the North Star every 26 some odd thousands of years? Or is that a different thing?

will answer this in a mminute - dragon launching live
http://www.spacex.com/webcast
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Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (15) Apr 08, 2016
Or is that a different thing?
@Ira
from the study
Polar motion is the movement of Earth's spin axis as it wanders through the crust. Observations have tracked this motion for more than 100 years. Astrometric data, when combined with space methods, form a continuous time series since 1899 (1–4) and have sufficient signal-to-noise ratio to accurately determine the pole position to a level much less than 1 millisecond of arc (mas; 1 mas ≈ 3.09 cm). The time variations in pole position are described by the Cartesian orthogonal vector positions Embedded Image and Y(t) ŷ, with vector dyads Embedded Image and ŷ pointing along the longitudes of mean Greenwich and 90° East, respectively. When this time series is filtered to remove the 433-day Chandler and annual wobbles and shorter time-scale variability, a clear linear drift in X(t) and Y(t) is revealed (1, 2, 4, 5)
to be continued
Captain Stumpy
3.8 / 5 (17) Apr 08, 2016
@Ira cont'd
with interannual variability dominated by a 25- to 35-year periodicity (called the Markowitz wobble) and 6- to 14-year decadal periodicities (4, 6). The origins of linear drift (1, 2, 5, 7) are far better understood than are interannual variability seen in the data (8, 9). Here, we identify the mechanisms that largely explain all of the observed polar motions during a 13-year time span, from April 2002 to March 2015, by analyzing monthly data from the Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment (GRACE) mission (10).
if you would like to see the study, let me know and i will e-mail it to you

(PS dragon 1st stage -live- recovery to the drone ship was AWESOME !!)
Captain Stumpy
3.6 / 5 (14) Apr 08, 2016
@Ira
so to answer your question more clearly...
Polar motion of the Earth is the motion of the Earth's rotational axis relative to its crust.[1]:1 This is measured with respect to a reference frame in which the solid Earth is fixed (a so-called Earth-centered, Earth-fixed or ECEF reference frame). This variation is only a few meters.
Polar motion is defined relative to a conventionally defined reference axis, the CIO (Conventional International Origin), being the pole's average location over the year 1900. It consists of three major components: a free oscillation called Chandler wobble with a period of about 435 days, an annual oscillation, and an irregular drift in the direction of the 80th meridian west.

https://en.wikipe...r_motion

so no, it is not the same as the Milankovitch cycle
https://en.wikipe...h_cycles
antigoracle
1.7 / 5 (18) Apr 08, 2016
OH NOSE!! Da wobblies gonna KEEL US!!
baudrunner
1.4 / 5 (19) Apr 08, 2016
Let's see..

Melting ice shifting mass toward equator; wobble (precession) changing - as noted by the Inuit peoples of the Arctic from physical observations of the positions of sunrise and sunset during solstices. The research corroborates those observations.

Still, the chicken-egg thing comes to mind. Mankind still being blamed for warming, but.. nature still much bigger than man.

The wobble could be compared to the winding down of a spinning top - whatever the reason. I can't see the dynamics of precession to be a perpetually unchanging one, so nature keeps coming back to haunt me. January 1st of this year saw warmer temperatures at the north pole than in New York.

My intuition still leans toward man's influence being not so impacting as nature's way re: climate change.

You know, it's been said that a chicken is just an egg's way of making another egg.
baudrunner
2 / 5 (16) Apr 08, 2016
Here's some food for thought...

Represent a tennis ball as Earth, and a golf ball as the moon. The distance, to scale, between them is about 13 feet. Just visualize that, or do the experiment with a tennis ball and a golf ball yourself and study it for a while. That distance is a pretty far reach for gravity (ironically a very weak "force") to affect tides and maintain orbit, but that's how it is.

Outer space, then, is a very sensitive environment.

It wouldn't surprise me all that much to learn that man-made orbiting bodies and space missions to the other planets are affecting the relationship that our moon has with Earth.

Also, the Saturn V Apollo mission rockets were so massive that their push from Earth was felt as seismic readings registering 5 on the Richter scale in New York City! How could 13 of these launches not affect the Earth's rotational characteristics in some subtle way?

Notice that I don't capitalize 'moon'. We should give it a name.
Maggnus
4.4 / 5 (19) Apr 08, 2016
In my theory the changes of precession could be originated by dark matter cloud pervading the solar system in similar way, like the global warming itself. It should be also followed by http://tycho.usno...lod.png, because the dark matter would make the Earth less dense.


Quack!!! quackquackquackquack....

waterducks rippling in the pond......
obama_socks
2.3 / 5 (15) Apr 08, 2016
OH NOSE!! Da wobblies gonna KEEL US!!
- antigoracle
LOL Doubtful that this kind of ice melt and its resulting wobble has never happened before. Within the past two Billion years there had to have been similar events happening over a long period of time. Some years back on this website, someone suggested that a Polar Shift is going to happen and that it wouldn't be the first time in Earth's geological history. He was soundly berated by the usual suspects.

http://phys.org/n...ial.html

"Earth's internal heat drives rapid ice flow and subglacial melting in Greenland."
Magma coming up from the depths under Greenland to warm the bottoms of the ice pack has nothing to do with Anthropogenic climate change. The Earth is perpetually dynamic, so it is either be prepared for some eventualities...or take yer lumps.
obama_socks
2.5 / 5 (13) Apr 08, 2016
In my theory the changes of precession could be originated by dark matter cloud pervading the solar system in similar way, like the global warming itself. It should be also followed by http://tycho.usno...lod.png, because the dark matter would make the Earth less dense.
- compose
Your second link "Gravity Constant" is unintelligible. What language is that in?
https://imgur.com/moJBtfe\\
Da Schneib
4 / 5 (16) Apr 08, 2016
@Ira, this is wobbling due to irregularities on the Earth's crust; in this case, it's ice on Greenland and Antarctica, which is being redistributed by AGW so that the irregularities are different, and therefore the wobble is different.

Imagine if you drilled holes in the counterweights on a crankshaft, and took the metal shavings and melted them down and then welded the resulting metal onto, say, the undersides of the pistons. You'd re-balance the crankshaft (and the wobbles would eventually destroy the main bearings). Same idea.
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obama_socks
2.2 / 5 (10) Apr 08, 2016
@obama_socks: it works for me - just remove these two backslashes from your link and it will work too.

- compose
OK thanks
obama_socks
2.2 / 5 (10) Apr 08, 2016
@obama_socks: it works for me - just remove these two backslashes from your link and it will work too.
- compose
I did as you suggested with the two backslashes, but the funny script still comes up. There are only two lines that I could read in English:
Atom Interferometry and Two Pendulums
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obama_socks
2.5 / 5 (11) Apr 09, 2016
No sense worrying about it...Que sera sera. The more you know about what's coming, and the better informed you are, the more time you have to prepare.
Humans have existed on this planet as humans only a very short time, and most people don't give a flying F_k anyway even if they were told that the world is going to end tomorrow. They would still live their miserable dopey immoral lives like always. This WAS a beautiful world, and still is, in most parts. But humans are mostly uncaring SOBs and will deserve what they get. I just feel sad for the good people who harm no one.
obama_socks
1.9 / 5 (13) Apr 09, 2016
jyro
2.2 / 5 (17) Apr 09, 2016
For 4.5 billion years Earth's climate has changed, it will continue to change till it loses it's atmosphere.
antigoracle
1.7 / 5 (12) Apr 09, 2016
Did anyone feel the wobble back in the 1930s?
http://realclimat...e-1930s/
jeffensley
2.2 / 5 (12) Apr 09, 2016
I do feel sorry for us.... we just don't know how to handle all the information being constantly thrown our way. The extremes of fear and apathy are the inevitable response of an infiormationally overloaded society. The usual suspects here are sad,angry, scared but once again, this is nothing the Earth hasn't been through before. Stop worrying.
Da Schneib
4.2 / 5 (15) Apr 09, 2016
Worth noting that here is yet another observation that confirms global warming. Pretty hard to get around the fact that melting ice is altering the Earth's rotation.
Benni
2.3 / 5 (15) Apr 09, 2016
this is wobbling due to irregularities on the Earth's crust; in this case, it's ice on Greenland and Antarctica, which is being redistributed by AGW so that the irregularities are different, and therefore the wobble is different


Your diminutive store of knowledge is sorely in need of updating. The ice on Greenland is not melting due to warming from the top down caused by atmospheric conditions attributed to atmospheric warming. Greenland ice melt occurs from the bottomside of the ice caused by geothermal activity similar to that of Iceland.

I can see why you & Ira have such an affinity for one another, neither one of you know much of anything about hard science unless you can paraphrase something from WikiPedia. You don't even comprehend the science of thermal gas expansion Einstein demonstrated that causes the vanes of radiometers to rotate, so it's also not hard to figure out why you still haven't gotten the facts of Greenland ice melt straight.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.5 / 5 (13) Apr 09, 2016
This WAS a beautiful world, and still is, in most parts. But humans are mostly uncaring SOBs and will deserve what they get
Yeah I agree. Trailer parks should be outlawed and the fat slobs living in them should be forced to get healthy or lose their obamacare subsidies and their food stamps.

What do you think pussytard?
greenonions
4.3 / 5 (16) Apr 09, 2016
Greenland's ice sheet is melting from both the top, and the bottom.
http://mediarelat...the-top/
https://cryopolit...-bottom/
antigoracle
1.8 / 5 (10) Apr 09, 2016
Worth noting that here is yet another observation that confirms global warming. Pretty hard to get around the fact that melting ice is altering the Earth's rotation.

Of course. After all, you believe the Earth is 33 degrees hotter than the moon.
Solon
2.6 / 5 (10) Apr 09, 2016
"Greenland. Global warming is shifting the way the Earth wobbles on its polar axis, a new NASA study finds"

I wondered why I was having these dizzy spells lately. How long do they think before the Earth finally flips onto its side because of the weight redistribution?
Da Schneib
4.7 / 5 (13) Apr 09, 2016
Of course. After all, you believe the Earth is 33 degrees hotter than the moon.
So you're saying you don't "believe in" the Moon landings. Or that we've ever put a space vehicle of any kind on the Moon's surface.

Because then we'd be able to measure it. Directly.
Benni
2.5 / 5 (13) Apr 09, 2016
Because then we'd be able to measure it. Directly.


And for the same reason you funny farm pseudoscience guys in the AGW Rant Brigade want to hold onto some myth that the Greenland ice melt occurs from the top down & not from demonstrable volcanic activity EASILY measured from beneath the ice cap.

Greenland's lithosphere has hot depths which originate in its distant geological past and cause Greenland's ice to rapidly flow and melt from below.

Read more at: http://phys.org/n...html#jCp

What's with people like you who hate actual MEASUREMENT of things OBSERVED? To you the OBSERVATION of ice melt is more important than the location & MEASUREMENT of it's source. At least those of us who work as science professionals know how to go beyond the spin of your ludicrous narratives.
antigoracle
1.4 / 5 (9) Apr 09, 2016
Of course. After all, you believe the Earth is 33 degrees hotter than the moon.
So you're saying you don't "believe in" the Moon landings. Or that we've ever put a space vehicle of any kind on the Moon's surface.

Because then we'd be able to measure it. Directly.

Really!!! They measured the temperature of the moon directly, when they were there, and it was 33 degrees cooler than the earth?
Benni
2.5 / 5 (16) Apr 09, 2016
Because then we'd be able to measure it. Directly.


Really!!! They measured the temperature of the moon directly, when they were there, and it was 33 degrees cooler than the earth?


ag..........what you need to understand about the Shneibo mindset is that MEASUREMENT is not superseded by OBSERVATION.

The funny farm pseudoscience crowd living here on PO loves OBSERVATION, they despise MEASUREMENT because such illumination of actually measured data hinders advancement of the psycho-babble narratives this bunch in the Church of the Holy Hockey Stick has been trying to peddle for the past 20 years.

So long as gullible people continue believing in COHHS interpretations of things OBSERVED, you're a good "soldier of the faith". As a science professional I have always found believing MEASURED DATA far supersedes private INTERPRETATIONS of OBSERVATIONS, The AGW & DM crowd don't know how to untangle those differences.
Da Schneib
4.4 / 5 (13) Apr 09, 2016
http://www.space....ure.html

Really!!! They measured the temperature of the moon directly, when they were there, and it was 33 degrees cooler than the earth?
First, it's average temperature, in other words the mean temperature over a full lunar day, second, of course they did, they had to design space suits for it, didn't they, and had to have thermometers on the lunar landers, and third, the Lunar Diviner NASA mission did a far more thorough job by making many maps of the entire surface at various times during its mission.

Yes, they measured the temperature of the Moon directly while they were there (and after they were gone; they left instrumentation) and, on average, over the entire surface of both the Earth and the Moon, the Earth is 33K warmer than the Moon.

And the only thing that can account for this difference is the greenhouse effect.

Get over it.
Da Schneib
4.3 / 5 (12) Apr 09, 2016
I should have said the Lunar Diviner mission made *temperature* maps of the entire surface of the Moon.
Captain Stumpy
3.9 / 5 (14) Apr 09, 2016
And the only thing that can account for this difference is the greenhouse effect
@Schneib
yeah... that part keeps escaping benji-troll's differential equations (and observations), apparently
LOL
http://www.space....ure.html
you do realise they will ignore the evidence, right?

this is how they continue to substantiate their own personal beliefs... they truly believe that if they ignore the evidence and reality while only getting information from biased sites that conform to their delusion that it is real
Da Schneib
4.4 / 5 (14) Apr 09, 2016
I'm currently trying to imagine the mentality required to believe we visited the Moon and never took the temperature.

It's costing brain cells; I can hear them popping.
antigoracle
1.4 / 5 (9) Apr 09, 2016
I'm currently trying to imagine the mentality required to believe we visited the Moon and never took the temperature.

It's costing brain cells; I can hear them popping.

You are really that stupid.
You made the claim that the earth is 33 degrees warmer than the moon. Show me where that is documented.
Da Schneib
4.4 / 5 (13) Apr 09, 2016
Here's a reference that shows the Earth's and Moon's temperatures are different by about 60°F, about 33°C: http://earthguide..._1.shtml

The average surface temperature of the moon, about the same distance as the Earth from the Sun, is also near 0°F, but of course, the moon has no atmosphere. By contrast, the average surface temperature of the Earth is 60°F at sea level.


Took me a whole 5 minutes.
Da Schneib
4.6 / 5 (11) Apr 09, 2016
How about Robert Stewart, "Oceanography in the 21st Century," which says:

Earth's surface is 33 degrees warmer than it would be if it had no atmosphere. A planet the size of earth at earth's distance from the sun, and in thermodynamic equilibrium with solar radiation, would have a surface temperature of -18 degrees C. Earth's average surface is 15 degrees C, or 33 degrees C warmer. This increase in temperature is due mostly to greenhouse gases in earth's atmosphere.
Linkie: http://oceanworld...ance.htm
Da Schneib
4.6 / 5 (10) Apr 09, 2016
I accept the downratings as proof I'm right and you're admitting you've been owned.

Thanks for admitting that. I appreciate the compliment.
Benni
2.2 / 5 (13) Apr 09, 2016
Took me a whole 5 minutes.
.........took me 5 secs to go one story below this one to debunk your claim that Greenland ice melt is not being caused by AGW atmospheric warming, but from volcanic activity beneath the ice. Read it yet Rev. Schneib?

Greenland's lithosphere has hot depths which originate in its distant geological past and cause Greenland's ice to rapidly flow and melt from below.

Read more at: http://phys.org/n...html#jCp
Da Schneib
4.4 / 5 (13) Apr 09, 2016
your claim that Greenland ice melt is not being caused by AGW

1. I never made this claim. You are obviously confused.
2. The claim you are trying to rebut is that Greenland ice melt *is* being caused by AGW. You are obviously very confused.
3. Saying that Greenland ice melt is being caused both by volcanic activity *and* AGW is not inconsistent. You are obviously very, very confused.

These little logical errors you are always making indicate you have some pretty serious problems with your thought processes. You can't keep track of what's going on. Given this obvious evidence, I can't see why we should listen to anything you say, and in fact, I don't. It's a slow afternoon so I'm playing Whack-a-Troll™. Thanks for the exercise.
Benni
2.5 / 5 (13) Apr 09, 2016
"@Ira, this is wobbling due to irregularities on the Earth's crust; in this case, it's ice on Greenland and Antarctica, which is being redistributed by AGW"

Read more at: http://phys.org/n...html#jCp

...........there you are Rev Schneib, right near the top of this page of Commentary. Anything more you care to be a liar about?
Da Schneib
4.3 / 5 (12) Apr 09, 2016
I'm gonna link the picture from that article: http://cdn.phys.o...tern.png

I see one little tongue of warming from underneath under one very small part of Greenland.

AGW on the other hand by its nature must affect the entire ice sheet.

It's a simple matter of area of effect.

That is, it's simple for someone who can think and doesn't get all confused trying to keep track of their "not"s and of whether warming can come from more than one source at one time.

Furthermore, I note I never claimed that it was *all* due to AGW. See #3 in my previous post. You're confused again, Benni.

I will go with the claim it's *mostly* AGW. That's consistent with the data. Because I'm not confused.
Benni
2.4 / 5 (14) Apr 09, 2016
Furthermore, I note I never claimed that it was *all* due to AGW. See #3 in my previous post. You're confused again, Benni.


..........oooooohhhhhh, now the walk back begins. First you claim you never said it, then confronted with the evidence that in fact you did say it comes justification for the lie. I enjoy people like you, you're just so entertaining as I watch you jumping & hurdling the obstacle courses you set up for yourselves.
Da Schneib
4.4 / 5 (13) Apr 09, 2016
What "walk back?"

I never said it was *all* due to AGW, and neither did anyone else.

Meanwhile, noted you've got no response to the following facts:
1. The area of Greenland affected by geothermal activity is very small compared to all of Greenland, and AGW by definition will affect all of Greenland.
2. It is not logically inconsistent to state that Greenland ice is being melted by *two* sources of heat.

And that leaves out your misuse of the word "not." I mean, c'mon, really, you can't even get "not" right and you expect us to believe you know anything at all about science? Really? Really?

You're confused again, Benni.
Captain Stumpy
3.8 / 5 (13) Apr 09, 2016
then confronted with the evidence that in fact you did say it
@Liar-beni-TROLL
epic literacy fail for the "nuclear engineer" who can't do ODE's !!
lets see...
it's ice on Greenland and Antarctica
Ok, so Schneib knows that hte study references all the ice, not just one spot... ok... so
which is being redistributed by AGW
yep. it surely is
as for Greenland
Melt extent in Greenland was above average in 2015, ranking 11th highest in the 37 year record from satellite data
http://nsidc.org/...d-today/

so, if the world isn't warming and the geological situation isn't increased exponentially, then what is causing the above average melt?
it sure isn't just confined to the geology... it is a combined effort

.

.

so, the lie is all on you, benji
I enjoy people like you, you're just so entertaining as I watch you jumping & hurdling the obstacle courses you set up for yourselves
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Da Schneib
4.4 / 5 (13) Apr 09, 2016
Y'know, I don't report people for calling people stupid, but this is just plain flat over the line. Reported for offensive language and sexism, o_s. This is a science site; we don't need this stuff here. Take it somewhere else where they allow this if you feel the need to make sexist and obscene remarks, please.
obama_socks
2.5 / 5 (11) Apr 09, 2016
Did anyone feel the wobble back in the 1930s?
http://realclimat...e-1930s/

- antigoracle
Wow...so in December 17, 1939 the scientists were saying that Greenland's ice was melting and there would be a catastrophe as a result. Either it was another pocket of magma that reached close to the surface underneath the ice fields in Greenland and melted the ice like it is doing now, OR Otto's hero, Otto Skorzeny was busy helping his boss, Adolf Hitler to take control over more countries in Europe. All the fossil fuels used by the Nazi army could have pumped a lot of GHG into the atmosphere.
So, the same thing is happening again under Greenland. Only NOW,, it must be further exacerbated by Otto's farting around with his boyfriend, Captain Stumpydumprump.
That's a hell of a lot of Methane and CO2 coming out of those two.
Sheeesh
obama_socks
2.3 / 5 (12) Apr 09, 2016
Y'know, I don't report people for calling people stupid, but this is just plain flat over the line. Reported for offensive language and sexism, o_s. This is a science site; we don't need this stuff here. Take it somewhere else where they allow this if you feel the need to make sexist and obscene remarks, please.
- Da Schlub
So you think that "pussytard" is acceptable and not offensive? Otto was calling PussycatEyes a "pussytard" several years ago when she was still posting on this site. Your stupidity and bias is astounding.
obama_socks
2.5 / 5 (11) Apr 09, 2016
@Da Schlub
Or how about this for "sexism, eh?

Otto saying that women smell like fish

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TheGhostofOtto1923

1.8 /5 (5)
Do women find men with fishing poles more attractive? Doubtful..
If they are hungry yes. Fish is only a metaphor for womanly smells you know.
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obama_socks
2.6 / 5 (10) Apr 09, 2016
Greenland's ice sheet is melting from both the top, and the bottom.
http://mediarelat...the-top/
- greenonions
From your first article -
"The direct link between the surface meltwater and the filling of a lake at the base of the ice has never been seen before."
It is from Jan. 21, 2015 and doesn't mention the magma coming up from beneath the Greenland ice sheet currently.

Your second article is from Aug.2014 and also doesn't mention the new discovery of magma under the Greenland ice that is melting that ice below.
From the article - "current climate models, which do not account for subglacial processes, could be overestimating sea level rise "
Da Schneib
4.4 / 5 (14) Apr 09, 2016
Having read one of your comments and required brain bleach afterward I have no desire to see another.

There is no place here for foul-mouthed racist sexist bigots. Please go away.
obama_socks
2.3 / 5 (12) Apr 09, 2016
@DSchlub
It appears that it is YOU who are the bigot. You had nothing to say about all the foul-mouthed sexist and bigoted epithets coming out of Cap Stump and Otto. You pick and choose which words you prefer to read from those whom you favor, and you act as though what I had said was about you, for some strange reason, even though it was not directed at you or anyone else. Unless, of course, you are one of Otto's legion of sock puppets.
I have been commenting on this site since 2012 and reading the articles and comments since 2006. Who the hell are you, anyway? And what right do you have to order me around?
greenonions
4.4 / 5 (13) Apr 09, 2016
Thumbs up Da Schneib - you never asserted that the Greenland Ice sheet melt was not being caused by global warming - you did assert that the Earth was 33 degrees warmer than the moon - and supported your assertion - I also reported Socks for that hateful and disgusting comment. It is no wonder women report feeling uncomfortable in the stem fields - when there are so many pigs making them feel that way.
obama_socks
2.1 / 5 (11) Apr 09, 2016
Thumbs up Da Schneib - you never asserted that the Greenland Ice sheet melt was not being caused by global warming - you did assert that the Earth was 33 degrees warmer than the moon - and supported your assertion - I also reported Socks for that hateful and disgusting comment. It is no wonder women report feeling uncomfortable in the stem fields - when there are so many pigs making them feel that way.
- onions
Awwww....da poo little baby.
There, I just slapped my wrist. Does that make you feel better, little wuss?
All the mods have to do is to read the comment made by Otto where he called me a "pussytard" and they will realize that my questions about his mama were justified. Otto uses provocative language and Da Schlub squeals like a stuck pig. And so do you, onions. It's not so surprising, girlie-man. Oh, I got that one from Stumpyrump. He is fond of calling guys "girl" and "girlie".
obama_socks
2.1 / 5 (11) Apr 09, 2016
(one example out of many)

Captain Stumpy

3.4 / 5 (10)
Apr 05, 2016
Ramble on
@benji-roddie girlie twins
Awww isn't this cute
the great mathematician and the geriatric dolt can't actually support their conclusions with evidence so they've come together to console each other!

lets do a little experiment for them to test who is right, shall we?

(this is not designed to be definitive, but instructive on transferrence of heat - benji should be able to do this one in his head with simple ODE's - sarc/hyperbole)(...)

Read more at: http://phys.org/n...html#jCp
Estevan57
4.4 / 5 (14) Apr 09, 2016
Nice links, Captain Stumpy. I had the same question as Uncle Ira.

Did you really call a person a girl, or girlie? Did you?!? Did you?!?

I denounce you from the hell-pit from which you arose! (sarc)

obama_socks really makes herself look immature with her recounting of what others say on this site. Midol them feelin's away, honey. Give them to the Skypilot and fergive dem sinners.

If you're mad at everyone, why not just go the hell away?
Captain Stumpy
4 / 5 (12) Apr 10, 2016
Nice links, Captain Stumpy. I had the same question
@Estevan57
well, if you contact me at SciForums (Truck Captain Stumpy) via the PM function (or via e-mail) you can give me your e-mail addy or some contact info and i can send you some more
... or even the study, if you can't see it above in the Sci-Mag link
Did you really call a person a girl, or girlie? Did you?!? Did you?!?
yeah. i admit it fully. i tend to do that when people get blatantly stupid and blatantly lie...like o_socks here: http://phys.org/n...tic.html

-note the links and references that blatantly prove he is lying... as well as his illegal solicitation to me
LMFAO

i have quite a few links demonstrating his sexism, racism, belief in "giant glass martians", his beliefs that ancient Israelis manufactured lead boomerangs, admissions that i'm a nice guy, and that he has multiple socks on PO, & his freaky xtian beliefs
obama_socks
Apr 10, 2016
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obama_socks
2.2 / 5 (13) Apr 10, 2016
"i have quite a few links demonstrating his sexism, racism, belief in "giant glass martians", his beliefs that ancient Israelis manufactured lead boomerangs, admissions that i'm a nice guy, and that he has multiple socks on PO, & his freaky xtian beliefs" - Cap'n StumpRump

What sexism? What racism? Show us where MY name is on anything having to do with giant glass martians OR lead boomerangs. And as I have already said in other threads, I have only TWO other User names which I use in two other news websites...but not in Phys.org.
OK, so I was wrong about StumpRump being a nice guy. That's ONE mistake. So what?
Hmmm, Otto always accused me of those things too...but Otto never even ONCE showed any PROOF of it.
Hmmmm....this PROVES that Otto and Stump are one and the same person. Stump is most likely one of Otto's sock puppets to replace FrankHerbert who was banned from Phys.org.
obama_socks
2.3 / 5 (12) Apr 10, 2016
Nice links, Captain Stumpy. I had the same question as Uncle Ira.

Did you really call a person a girl, or girlie? Did you?!? Did you?!?

I denounce you from the hell-pit from which you arose! (sarc)

obama_socks really makes himself look immature with his recounting of what others say on this site. Drive them feelin's away, . Give them to the Skypilot and fergive dem sinners.

If you're mad at everyone, why not just go the hell away?
- Estevan57

There, I fixed it right for you, Steve. You're welcome.
\_/? I'm gonna have a nice glass of Michelob now and then take my wife out to dinner.
cantdrive85
2.6 / 5 (10) Apr 10, 2016
Just a warning for all those who aren't dense enough to fall for AGWism, before long the AGWite politicos will do what they can to criminalize dissent.

http://www.washin.../2588016

It's apparent the sound foundation (not) the AGWites beliefs are based upon when they have to resort to Nazi/Soviet style tactics to protect their treacherous scheme.
TheGhostofOtto1923
Apr 10, 2016
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gkam
1.9 / 5 (9) Apr 10, 2016
Can the moderator please remove the offensive posts of otto?

Nobody has such a hateful fixation as otto. He must have had a terrible life of being teased about himself while growing up. You can see it in his relationships with others here.

Please get rid of him.

Thanks.
obama_socks
1.7 / 5 (12) Apr 10, 2016
I have just reported Otto's offensive comment to the moderators that begins with "Huh". I suggest that everyone else who isn't Otto's sock puppet or toadie to report Otto's comment above and all previous and subsequent offensive comments from Otto to the Phys.org moderators. You will be doing this science website a huge favor and help to clean it up.

Otto is adding to the Earth's wobble with all the hot air, CO2 and CH4 that Otto produces both online and offline. That, in itself, is also offensive as it NEVER adds to the honest progression of the Sciences - but only detracts from them.
Estevan57
3.8 / 5 (16) Apr 10, 2016
Gkam and obama_socks If y'all can't handle Otto and others, then maybe you both should shut the hell up and stay off Physorg.
(But Otto said this, Stumpy said that.)

I can't speak for everyone, but please just quit whining about other people in an open forum.
(But Otto said this, Stumpy said that.)

If you don't like what Otto (or anyone else) says about you, talk to them, not the whole forum.
(But Otto said this, Stumpy said that.)

Man-up, ladies. (But Otto said this, Stumpy said that.)

Address the root of your troubles - your ignorance, fragile egos, and the propensity to display them publicly.
Protoplasmix
5 / 5 (16) Apr 10, 2016
I don't mind the back and forth, it's easy enough to skim past. But it's hard to overlook mysogyny in a science forum. Seeing it elsewhere is offensive enough. It's primitive and prejudicial. It's unscientific ant it's hurtful. I won't embarrass anyone by quoting the offenses. This time. I'll just say you should really know better.
obama_socks
2.4 / 5 (14) Apr 10, 2016
Gkam and obama_socks If y'all can't handle Otto and others, then maybe you both should shut the hell up and stay off Physorg.
(But Otto said this, Stumpy said that.)

I can't speak for everyone, but please just quit whining about other people in an open forum.
(But Otto said this, Stumpy said that.)

If you don't like what Otto (or anyone else) says about you, talk to them, not the whole forum.
(But Otto said this, Stumpy said that.) (...)

Address the root of your troubles - your ignorance, fragile egos, and the propensity to display them publicly.
- E57
What ignorance? I am having fun here on Phys.org and have showed evidence that Otto uses sock puppets to wreck comment sections of articles.
So when did you become a toadie for Otto and Stumpy, Steve? Was it after you gave them your personal and business info so that Otto could stalk you and attempt to destroy you and your business? Did you give your SS# also the way that gkam did? So they fooled you too, eh?
obama_socks
2.7 / 5 (12) Apr 10, 2016
@Estevan57
Yes, I recall all the info that you displayed publicly on Phys.org wrt your business contacts, the location and name of your business, how many employees, etc etc. You sang your heart out, Steve. And now Otto has you over a barrel, doesn't he, Steve? Are your business contacts starting to avoid your company now? Are you losing revenue due to some phone calls or letters sent by Otto/Stumpy to your business contacts warning them against you and maybe your products? And, maybe now, you have to kiss Otto's ass to prevent him from destroying you and your business completely?
Otto/Stumpy has admitted to gkam that he has a lot of personal and public info from antialiasP and many others who gave their own info to Otto/Stumpy and then asked that their info not be publicized on the internet.
But this is what Otto and his sock puppets do. This is why all the demands for substantiation/validation of claims to avoid being called a..."LIAR".
Otto is a psychopathic "soul eater"
obama_socks
2.6 / 5 (10) Apr 10, 2016
I don't mind the back and forth, it's easy enough to skim past. But it's hard to overlook mysogyny in a science forum. Seeing it elsewhere is offensive enough. It's primitive and prejudicial. It's unscientific ant it's hurtful. I won't embarrass anyone by quoting the offenses. This time. I'll just say you should really know better.
- proto
Would you mind explaining which word or words it was that you consider as "mysoginistic"?
Estevan57
4.3 / 5 (16) Apr 10, 2016
@Protoplasmix My apologies, for mine at least.

@obama_socks Here are examples of your ignorance -
1. Saying I am a toady for anyone is ignorant of any of my conversations with them.
2. I gave Otto no personal or business information that can be traced to me. You are ignorant of my respect for the online skills of others.
3. I gave noone online ever, my social security number. Your statement can't be proven, so it must have been made in ignorance of facts.
4. How could I be "fooled" when there is no proof of any of these actions of mine? Ignorance, thy name is obama_socks.

If your talk of Otto causes you to derail the conversational threads of others, you should stop talking about him.

You are ignorant that you do this. A lot.

Estevan57
4.1 / 5 (13) Apr 10, 2016
Wow. Fragile, aren't you, obama_socks?
A woman scorned?
Any proof of any of this?

I dare and challenge you to display my company name here.
Walk the Walk, don't just Talk the Talk.

Betcha can't find what you said you saw.

Or are you just practicing your ignorant talk?
obama_socks
2.6 / 5 (10) Apr 10, 2016
I don't mind the back and forth, it's easy enough to skim past. But it's hard to overlook mysogyny in a science forum. Seeing it elsewhere is offensive enough. It's primitive and prejudicial. It's unscientific ant it's hurtful. I won't embarrass anyone by quoting the offenses. This time. I'll just say you should really know better.
- Protoplasmix

Would you mind explaining which word or words that I said that you consider to be "mysoginistic"?
Protoplasmix
5 / 5 (11) Apr 11, 2016
@o_socks – it wasn't you, I don't care by what extent a person's reputation precedes them, I'll still give them the chance to earn it...
Protoplasmix
5 / 5 (13) Apr 11, 2016
... which is to say you're doing fine at earning yours, I won't pile on.
obama_socks
2.7 / 5 (14) Apr 11, 2016
@o_socks – it wasn't you, I don't care by what extent a person's reputation precedes them, I'll still give them the chance to earn it...
Protoplasmic
Fair enough. I have faith in your ability to read through all the vitriol, hate, and false accusations and that you will understand that there is a strange cabal of commenters presently using this website for their own ends, which is to place a limit on who may or may not post comments, particularly if such comments are not to their liking or approval. Quite frankly, I see their method as a way of making an attempt to destroy Phys.org's reputation as "the people's science website" and not just for that select few who seems to consider themselves as "owning" this website. Perhaps the mental institution where Otto is a patient has been taken over by Otto and his cohorts and the staff have all fled, leaving the computers on. It does seem strange that Otto and company are allowed to play the schoolyard bully on a daily basis.
obama_socks
2.2 / 5 (13) Apr 11, 2016
... which is to say you're doing fine at earning yours, I won't pile on.
- Protoplasmic
Incidentally, if you had read my post regarding Otto's mama and understood its true meaning, you might have noticed that I wasn't talking about Otto's mama's "vagina". I never said anything about Otto's mother's vagina in any of my posts. The thought is revolting. I was referring to a "pussy" which may also refer to a feline. I have said it to Otto in other threads and have gotten the same dumb reaction. I will leave it at that and trust you to figure out the rest.
:)
obama_socks
2.1 / 5 (11) Apr 11, 2016
@E57
TheGhostofOtto1923

1.4 / 5 (9)
Feb 22, 2013
You know, in looking back over this thread I see there are some more ominous questions you may need to consider...

What sort of business owner would post a client list as part of a discussion like this?
http://www.smosarms.com/
http://www.bigborecanyon.com/
http://fidelisarms.com/

-not considering how easy it might be for they and their customers to visit this site and find out how little this business owner knows about component fabrication, heat treating, quality control, equipment availability, cost, and function; that he has to educate himself from youtube vids and blog posts?

-Or how easy it might be for anyone to contact these firms, get sub and supplier lists, compare, and possibly identify just which CNC mfr in oregon is lacking these basic skills?

-And if these parties were to contact the REAL owner of this firm, just how incensed would he be at employees who would misuse(...)
obama_socks
2.1 / 5 (11) Apr 11, 2016
Estevan57
Feb 18, 2013
No, Otto I live in a world of owning a cnc business (48 employees) and know the capabilities of the technology.
The parts we make can be made with a machine ordered out of a machinery catalog for 10,000, just like dtxx posted. It would just be much, much slower.
Mastercam and Solidworks are on piratebay, and tutorials are all over youtube.
Steel and tooling is easy to find. Amazon!

Some of my local customers:
http://www.smosarms.com/
http://www.bigborecanyon.com/
http://fidelisarms.com/

http://grabcad.co...uery=gun

A usable "gun" can be made with a drill press, file and pipe.

Nice "quotes", got source?

Dumbshit.
obama_socks
2.3 / 5 (12) Apr 11, 2016
@Estevan57
TheGhostofOtto1923

1 / 5 (19)
Apr 17, 2013
By the the way dumbass, I do have a company webpage. It's used for advertising! On the internet!
Si let's have a link- I'm sure lite or open would like to visit.
Until the 15th I have been on vacation for two weeks.
How many posts of yours during this time?
Well you've shown up every day to 1/5 me. This is commitment steve. Or pathology.
Hmmmm lite, I mean open
Sorry these people aren't me. And between the 2 of us which one is the documented liar?

So you aren't concerned if your clients see your behavior and your misuse of their good names while stalking on the Internet. So you won't mind then if I repost it whenever you show up? Not to endanger the innocent people in your vicinity mind you, but to remind readers what a deranged idiot you are.

I feel it is my civic duty.
obama_socks
2.7 / 5 (12) Apr 11, 2016
Estevan57

3.5 / 5 (26)
Apr 18, 2013
Well now basement boy, if you somehow must insist on posting my customers to show that...what? Here are some more - Look them up for yourself pasty face.

Boeing, Columbia Aviation, BAE Systems, Cessna, Nikon, Olympus, Nikken, Fluke, Bushnell, Garmin, Leatherman, Tektronics, Medtronics, Siemens AG, BAE Systems, Leupold & Stevens, Benchmade, Gerber, Kai, A-DEC, DCI, Liebmann Optical, Avophotonics, Mitsubishi, Cadillac, Lockheed Martin, Plantronics, GK Audio, Sunn, Curtiss-Wright, Mentor Graphics, Brother, Nike, Agilent, Honeywell, Flextronics, Intel, HP, Keytronic, Microsoft, Samtec, Jabil, Schweitzer, Telect, Xerox, Tyco, Applied Medical, Aseptico, Conmed, Dexcom, Essilor, Grace Biolabs, Roche, Peak Surgical, WelchAllyn, Avtec, Jetseal, Carlisle, Eaton, Peco, Audix, Williams Controls, Blackhawk, Grovtec, and many more.

Thanks for the free advertising.

I don't have to be around to have you downvoted Otto.
That's what nieces are for.
obama_socks
2.7 / 5 (12) Apr 11, 2016
TheGhostofOtto1923

1 / 5 (16)
Apr 23, 2013
my supposed poor little niece is in her 20s, 5 foot 11 and a 1/2 (remember the 1/2" she says) and makes a wage suitable for a college grad with a degree in Finance
But you're a liar esai. You do nothing but lie. See my profile page. Adults do not stalk people for nickels do they?
Hey stupid!..............two computers
So you admit you pay people to stalk on company time (again).
I work with business owners and professional clients
-as do many secs and receptionists and bosses sons.
do you really think they would give a
rats (Ottos') ass about what I do with you?
I think they would be rightly concerned about the type of character you exhibit. You're a compulsive liar and stalker. Do you lie to them?

...no compunctions about exhibiting these traits in public, in association with your clients websites...

Of course your clients would be concerned about these things. Any boss would fire(...)
gkam
1.4 / 5 (9) Apr 11, 2016
os, these trolls will not tell you anything about themselves, too SCARED to accept responsibility for their own words.

They are SCARED trolls, like those in high school playing their games in detention. It is the only way they get attention.
antigoracle
2.3 / 5 (6) Apr 11, 2016
os, these trolls will not tell you anything about themselves, too SCARED to accept responsibility for their own words.

They are SCARED trolls, like those in high school playing their games in detention. It is the only way they get attention.

You need to get out more gskam. May I suggest a bike ride, on the freeway.
D J
2.7 / 5 (6) Apr 11, 2016
I am not sure how Dr. Chen can determine that "this is nothing to worry about." The forces on the Earth's crust would change as the rotational position does- who knows how it could affect it in terms of volcanic and fault line stress? I am a bit more concerned.
antigoracle
2.3 / 5 (6) Apr 11, 2016
They are SCARED..

Give us 1 reason we shouldn't be scared of a psychopath like you?
gkam
1.4 / 5 (9) Apr 11, 2016
"Give us 1 reason we shouldn't be scared of a psychopath like you?"
------------------------------

Because you are an anonymous coward, hiding behind a pseudonym.

Tell us who you really are, if you are not too scared. But it is YOU who are the filthy mouth, the aggressor, the nasty one. You dare not reveal your real self.
obama_socks
2.6 / 5 (10) Apr 11, 2016
I am not sure how Dr. Chen can determine that "this is nothing to worry about." The forces on the Earth's crust would change as the rotational position does- who knows how it could affect it in terms of volcanic and fault line stress? I am a bit more concerned.
- D J
These are events that have occurred before, many times, in the geological history of Earth. Just as the flow of magma underneath Greenland is causing the ice sheet to melt from below, there are pockets of magma underneath the ice in Antarctica that is melting ice and causing "rivers" to move the ice above. This is NATURE and can't be stopped or slowed down. Maybe this is Nature's way of ridding itself of some of the human vermin who think that they OWN the planet.
Humans were created only a short time ago, in comparison with the age of the Universe.
Humans are ego-driven and too prideful to comprehend the seriousness of their character flaws. Stewardship of the planet by humanity is a failure.
obama_socks
2.6 / 5 (10) Apr 11, 2016
@gkam
Stop it with the Troll crap. You are beginning to sound like Otto and StumpRump and Pissypants (Phys1 aka my2cts aka mytwocts) and others. Write down everything you have done in your life and put each one in THREE COLUMNS; label each column TRUE - UNTRUE - NOT SURE; then go over each one and determine which ones are true and which ones are something that you Imagined to be true. You can consult friends, family, government, military, news articles.
For the ones that are true, you should be able to have or find documentable evidence. For each piece of evidence, write the title of it in the box that says TRUE, next to what you believe to be true. Collect all evidences and go over them one by one and place them in a safe box. But first, make photocopies of your list and your evidences before you place them in the safe box. Refer to your photocopies often.
Nobody else can determine if what you say is true or untrue, and nobody has the right to force you to explain yourself.
obama_socks
3.7 / 5 (9) Apr 11, 2016
They are SCARED..

Give us 1 reason we shouldn't be scared of a psychopath like you?
- antigoracle
You are also beginning to sound like TheghostofottoSkorzeny.
Otto is obviously an inmate in a mental institution who has computer privileges. Otto's favorite line now is to call others who he wants to "run out of Dodge" (Phys.org) a Psychopath. This has apparently become Otto's favorite MO now ever since Otto got his tentacles on a copy of "Psychopathy", either on the internet or in the mental institution's Library.
There was one guy back in 2009 I think it was, who regarded everyone as "irrational", simply because HE was diagnosed as irrational. He was one of the Physorg commenters then. I wonder whatever happened to him. Otto calling others psychopaths is like the "pot calling the kettle black".
So I caution you to not fall into that dark pit where Otto and "friends" are and will forever remain.
And watch your typing; they jump all over your typo errors.
Benni
2.8 / 5 (9) Apr 11, 2016
And watch your typing; they jump all over your typo errors.


You mean this:

E=mc^2

as opposed to:

E=mc²
obama_socks
3.3 / 5 (7) Apr 11, 2016
@Benni
I believe the proper version is E=mc2 for mass/energy equivalence. Not sure where that ^ came from...but I'm not a mathematicianado aficionado.
:(
Benni
3 / 5 (8) Apr 11, 2016
@Benni
I believe the proper version is E=mc2 for mass/energy equivalence. Not sure where that ^ came from...but I'm not a mathematicianado aficionado.
:(


I see what you mean o_s.........Yeah, I've seen that error a lot by the Rant Brigade as well. As big of a problem as their cosmic fairy dust is, their math is even so much worse that they can't even get off the ground with writing formulae, all the while they imagine they are qualified teachers about things for which they can't even prove the existence thereof.
obama_socks
2.7 / 5 (7) Apr 12, 2016
@Benni
I just did a Wiki and google search for that erroneous version that you see too often - e=mc^2
There is no such existing formula that would include a ^ in this instance, therefore nothing is coming up...no wiki or google result. I wonder who started using that ^ as a part of e=mc2
ROBTHEGOB
1.9 / 5 (8) Apr 12, 2016
I think all the fat women in Walmart are making the Earth wobble on its axis.
obama_socks
3 / 5 (10) Apr 12, 2016
I think all the fat women in Walmart are making the Earth wobble on its axis.
- ROB
LOL I'm giving you a FIVE for your correct observation. My beautiful wife is 5'9" and 124 lbs, so she doesn't fit into that earth-shaking category and never has. She occasionally shops at Walmart only for food when something that she needs to buy isn't available at Kroger's, Target or another supermarket. When I have gone with her to Walmart I have also noticed that so many of the ladies who shop there are overweight, obese or morbidly obese. But so are a lot of the guys. I feel sad for the fatties. They are probably aware of how they look, but can't help themselves.
The ones who are morbidly obese remind me of Otto's picture of himself that Otto has since taken down from his Physorg profile a few years ago. I'm still surprised that Otto didn't put up a picture of his idol, the Nazi - Otto Skorzeny, but that would have been a dead giveaway of Otto's true loyalty to Nazi ideology.
compose
Apr 12, 2016
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greenonions
4.6 / 5 (9) Apr 12, 2016
Socks
LOL I'm giving you a FIVE for your correct observation.
That observation that you are agreeing with - is a filthy sexist pollution of this site. Keep up showing your colors there socks the misogynistic pig. Again - it is clear why so many women struggle with this shit. Maybe you could watch a really great movie - Suffragette. Perhaps it would help you have a little respect for the sacrifice that women had to make to earn the simple right to vote. Perhaps you could consider changing - and trying to become a decent human being - instead of an ignorant pig.
leetennant
4.6 / 5 (11) Apr 12, 2016
. Maybe the planet Z is not the actual culprit of global warming or extinctions.


I know. It's the unicorns. I keep telling everybody but nobody listens. Probably because they're communists.

Just FYI, I've reported 3/4 of the comments in this thread. And if this site had moderators then maybe we could stick to the article topics and not be bombarded with vile sexist, racist, misogynistic, homophobic abuse on what is supposed to be a science site.

May I point out the most important part of this article:

"There is nothing to worry about," said Chen, who wasn't part of the NASA study. "It is just another interesting effect of climate change."

And that's what it is. Interesting. That is all.
obama_socks
3 / 5 (8) Apr 12, 2016
@onions
In what way is it a "filthy sexist pollution" of this site. You kowtow to Otto's use of the term, "pussytard", where you and Da Schlub don't seem to find anything sexist or bigoted about it. In fact, both of you seem to relish it.
Would you call your mom or grandma a "pussytard", onions? How about your wife or daughter would you have a problem calling THEM pussytards?
You must not have a problem with reading the word, pussytard when it's coming from Otto. Why is that, onions? Biased much?
And why did you jump in when I was answering a comment made by ROBTHEGOB?
Personally, I think that you are anxious to continue your diatribe for your own agenda. What IS your agenda, onions? I think that maybe you don't belong in the comment sections of Phys.org and should just STFU. You can get together with Otto offline and do some kiss-kiss to show Otto how much you love his use of "pussytard".
You imbecilic idiot.
LMAO
greenonions
4.6 / 5 (9) Apr 12, 2016
socks - your argument boils down to this - 'he does bad things - so it is OK for me to do bad things'. It is a childish argument. Just take responsibility for your part in making our world uncomfortable for 52% of the people who we share it with. My agenda socks is to live in a better world. Part of that better world would be us moving away from racism, and hatred, and sexism. In my view - you have clearly shown yourself the one to be willing to step as far over the line as possible - and make women feel hated on this site. Just take responsibility for your own words. Try changing socks - you might get less one stars. You might have something constructive to offer - instead of advertising to the world what a pig you are - and how you don't care that you contribute to the problem of sexism in the STEM professions.
obama_socks
2.5 / 5 (8) Apr 12, 2016
This WAS a beautiful world, and still is, in most parts. But humans are mostly uncaring SOBs and will deserve what they get
Yeah I agree. Trailer parks should be outlawed and the fat slobs living in them should be forced to get healthy or lose their obamacare subsidies and their food stamps.

What do you think pussytard?


So how would you answer this, onions? Or would you just ignore it and hope that it goes away so that you don't have to deal with it.
Before I registered on this site, Otto was already calling a very nice lady a "pussytard". Her User name was Pussycat Eyes. I spoke to her once or twice in a thread and sent her a PM. She told me that she wasn't going to comment anymore because of Otto and his nasty remarks. I felt sorry for her but I understood her frustration. After she stopped commenting, Otto began to call me the same as he had called her and thought that I was her and several other people, even though I only have this one name.
obama_socks
2.7 / 5 (7) Apr 12, 2016
How would you deal with this Nazi lover, onions?
As far as the ratings, I don't bother even looking at mine. Otto and legion of sock puppets downrate all of my posts. But I notice that Otto gives you all fives...you and several others like Da Schlub, antialiasP, Phys1 (Piss1). Exactly how many toadies does Otto have on this website anyway?
obama_socks
2.5 / 5 (8) Apr 12, 2016
socks - your argument boils down to this - 'he does bad things - so it is OK for me to do bad things'.
- go
Bad things? What bad thing are you talking about, onions? Are you running a nursery school here by any chance? Has Phys.org turned into the "Ladies Home Journal" magazine and you're the editor? WTF is WRONG with you and why are you kissing Otto's ass in these threads? Are you afraid that Otto is going to give your ratings all ONES?
Yeah, that must be it. You and all the rest are scared to death of Otto gang-rating you all ones...the way Otto was doing to Noumenon and Ryggesogn2.
greenonions
4.5 / 5 (8) Apr 12, 2016
Bad things? What bad thing are you talking about, onions?
The same bad ones you are talking about Socks - your hateful sexist posting. I don't really care about the ratings - but I think it can be a good indicator of if you are on the right track - if you are posting on a science site - and you get the people who clearly value science - upvoting you. On the other hand - when the haters down vote you - perhaps you know you are where you want to be. I agree with you that Otto is a bully, and a sexist - and I would not be bothered in the least if Otto down voted me. I disapprove of terms like pussytard - and yes it is part of the pattern of making women feel hated on this kind of site. But in this conversation i am talking to you. You are the one who got a foul, hateful comment removed. You are the one who thinks hateful comments about fat women - are funny. Not Otto - you.
obama_socks
3 / 5 (6) Apr 12, 2016
So...you're a woman and you have a big weight problem, eh onions? So you are very conscious of your weight problem and you're super sensitive about it, right? Since this is the internet and I cannot see what you look like, it doesn't bother me if you are fat, skinny or just right. My wife is just right and she also feels sorry for those women (and men) who are obese.
Some people do give me fives, according to the value and correctness of my knowledge and opinions...but those fives are diluted by the usual pricks. Oh, by the way, did you see the copy of Otto's post where he says that "fish is a metaphor for womanly smells"? If you want, I can post it here.
Isn't that right, Otto? LOL
obama_socks
3.4 / 5 (5) Apr 13, 2016
https://www.quantamagazine.org/20160412-debate-intensifies-over-dark-disk-theoryIn the new, free-for-all era of dark matter research, the controversial idea that dark matter is concentrated in thin disks is being rescued from scientific oblivion. It's worth to note, the solar system passed the galactic equator recently. Maybe the planet Z is not the actual culprit of global warming or extinctions.
- compose
Really? When did this happen and how come it wasn't all over the MSM?
AND WHY WAN'T I TOLD ABOUT IT? DEMMIT!!
I was counting on it being Z. How disappointing.
obama_socks
2.7 / 5 (7) Apr 13, 2016
Here you go, onions:

TheGhostofOtto1923

1.6 / 5 (7)
May 08, 2013
Do women find men with fishing poles more attractive? Doubtful..
If they are hungry yes. Fish is only a metaphor for womanly smells you know.
I checked out your theory with some experimentation. I walked around a mall holding my "wang" with some dangling. Oddly the women weren't attracted, in fact I found they abruptly walked in the other direction...
Were you singing? Try that.
Guitar is just a metaphor for weapon, which is just a metaphor for wang. Humans are so easy.
Here. Here is an example of which proves my point.
http://www.youtub...6Bb9X5fc

Women love this stuff.

http://medicalxpr...tar.html

Protoplasmix
5 / 5 (8) Apr 13, 2016
o-socks: 600 trillion pounds of ice per year, for 13 years, gone to follow the moon. That's 78 hundred trillion pounds and counting, liquefied. If all of Greenland's snow/ice were to melt (1.7 million km²), do you know how much the global sea level would rise? About 6 meters (almost 20 feet). And you're on about Otto? Why follow his example, if it's so bad, instead of setting your own? Please don't spam the thread with excuses answering that, it's rhetorical.
obama_socks
3.4 / 5 (5) Apr 13, 2016
Yes Protoplasmic, that's IF all of Greenland's ice and snow were to melt. All the low lying land mass would be inundated where present beach-front property would be unsaleable. This is why I don't live in Miami or the Cayman Islands.

I have a policy, which is: to respond in kind. I don't have to make excuses for my policy. But perhaps you and others who think as you do should disenfranchise that person or persons who have been doing his kind of thing in Physorg long before I ever came on the scene.
If you don't like the way I respond in kind, perhaps you should have something to say to Otto/Stumpy as you have said to me. Or are you also fearful that you ratings will be gang-rated downwards. I also have a policy of giving FIVES to those who have gotten ONES, only because I happen to be for the "underdog", so to speak. Mike Massen was getting down voted also, so I gave him FIVES even though I disagreed with him a lot.
I happen to love science and I am on a learning curve to catch up
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obama_socks
2.7 / 5 (7) Apr 13, 2016
Maybe the planet Z is not the actual culprit of global warming or extinctions. I know. It's the unicorns. Just FYI, I've reported 3/4 of the comments in this thread.
LOL, why? This is standard scientific theory, supported even by first class physicists from Oxford and Harvard universities (http://mnras.oxfo...816,...)
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I was very impressed with the link you provided here for Quanta magazine. Also impressed with the beautiful Professor Lisa Randall and her concept of a Dark Matter disk. A gorgeous blonde with brains. Thanks for the link.
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greenonions
4.4 / 5 (7) Apr 13, 2016
Socks
So...you're a woman and you have a big weight problem, eh onions?
Nope - I'm a guy - weigh in at around 160 pounds. What I don't have a problem with is advertising my misogyny on a science site - and purposely making women uncomfortable. You're doing it again with Lisa Randall. So what if she is attractive, and smart? Would you not respect her if she was overweight and smart? Bringing up appearance over and over makes you a pig. I guess all we can do is report you - and make it clear that some of us don't appreciate your ignorance.
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obama_socks
3 / 5 (6) Apr 13, 2016
BTW Miss Randall isn't author of galactic disk hypothesis anyway - this model has been promoted by M. Rampino and B.M. Haggerty for quite time already ("https://en.wikipe...othesis) and its origin can be traced back to first J. N. Bahcall & R. Davies searches for neutrino signal. Actually J. H. Oort had argued in 1965 already, that the amount of mass in the disk exceeds that observed in disk stars.
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Yes, I had read that the concept originated with Oort, but he was passed over and the credit given to another. But Prof. Lisa is still the star of the article, along with Eric Kramer, of course.
Miss Randall sure is beautiful in any case. Big difference from the usual gruff butchy-type female scientists who are often man-haters. Not all of them are, but quite a few.
I will read the Shiva Hypothesis wiki article and delve further into the concept.
Thanks again.

obama_socks
3 / 5 (6) Apr 13, 2016
Socks
So...you're a woman and you have a big weight problem, eh onions?
Nope - I'm a guy - weigh in at around 160 pounds. What I don't have a problem with is advertising my misogyny on a science site - and purposely making women uncomfortable. You're doing it again with Lisa Randall. So what if she is attractive, and smart? Would you not respect her if she was overweight and smart? Bringing up appearance over and over makes you a pig. I guess all we can do is report you - and make it clear that some of us don't appreciate your ignorance.

- onions
So what you seem to be saying, is that if this wasn't a science site, you wouldn't have a problem advertising your misogyny. But since this IS a science site, you are too scared of the female commenters to post your misogynistic tendencies and what you REALLY think of women.
Well, that makes you a liar and a deceiver, doesn't it. You don't say what you really think.
Pissy-whipped much? Or just politically correct
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obama_socks
3 / 5 (6) Apr 13, 2016
socks: Lisa Randall's http://www.symmet...all.jpeg

- compose
Great pictures, compose. I gather that you and I have the same taste in women. I see that the beauteous Prof. Lisa Randall seems to enjoy rappelling with the help of the yellow rope. It is great exercise and helps to improve concentration, both on the mountain and in the lab, as well as to focus on science theories. I do it as often as permissible. I also have a great life insurance policy. LOL My wife insisted on it.
The next picture is awesome. She looks downright gorgeous on that mountain bike. I see that she has a "map holder" on the handlebar and is wearing gloves to protect her lovely, delicate hands. I assume she is also using UV protection. Smart girl. She can ride with me anytime. ;)

I am married to a beautiful woman already, so no chance of my meeting Lisa Randall for a date any time soon.
:(
obama_socks
3 / 5 (6) Apr 13, 2016
@compose
I will get back to you once I finish reading every piece of data on Lisa's Dark Disk/Pinching Effect. A "thin" dark disk seems plausible.
obama_socks
2.5 / 5 (8) Apr 13, 2016
Big difference from the usual gruff butchy-type female scientists who are often man-haters
Some people http://www.lifeco...view.htm already - but nobody prohibits you in dreaming your platonic hopes...;-)
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She lives alone, but she has a boyfriend. That's good enough for me.
greenonions
4.3 / 5 (6) Apr 13, 2016
Socks
So what you seem to be saying, is that if this wasn't a science site, you wouldn't have a problem advertising your misogyny
No - I am saying that you are a filthy misogynistic pig. The science reference is that in the STEM fields - women have expressed a specific problem with pigs like you - making them feel unwanted, and disgusted. It would be nice if you could keep your filth to yourself - but obviously too much to ask.
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obama_socks
2.5 / 5 (8) Apr 13, 2016
Socks
So what you seem to be saying, is that if this wasn't a science site, you wouldn't have a problem advertising your misogyny
No - I am saying that you are a filthy misogynistic pig. The science reference is that in the STEM fields - women have expressed a specific problem with pigs like you - making them feel unwanted, and disgusted. It would be nice if you could keep your filth to yourself - but obviously too much to ask.
- oink oink
awwww...unwanted and disgusted. That generally means that they don't have what it takes to compete with men, in the first place. We have female engineers at the place where I work and they can dish it out as well as take it. We don't allow their gender to get in the way of our having fun with them, and they appreciate being held in a TRULY EQUAL BASIS...not a phony baloney artificial pretense of pussyfooting around them to avoid hurting their feelings. THAT would be even more degrading and wouldn't be equality of the sexes.
obama_socks
2.5 / 5 (8) Apr 13, 2016
but she has a boyfriend. That's good enough for me
Stealing of boyfriend is less amoral?
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Stealing of boyfriend? Not sure what you mean by that. Who is stealing her boyfriend and why would they do that? Are you her boyfriend?
My wife won't allow me to have a girlfriend. Our kids would definitely think it's amoral.
:D
HeloMenelo
2 / 5 (4) Apr 17, 2016
Worth noting that here is yet another observation that confirms global warming. Pretty hard to get around the fact that melting ice is altering the Earth's rotation.

Of course. After all, you believe the Earth is 33 degrees hotter than the moon.


Thats the temperature that caused antisciencegorilla's 2 braincells to toast, unfortunately after a decade he still have not managed to grow them back
HeloMenelo
2 / 5 (4) Apr 17, 2016
Did anyone feel the wobble back in the 1930s?
http://realclimat...e-1930s/


we did not, but we sure having a blast seeing you clowning about here on physorg, some more bannanas ?.... ;)

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