Smart enough to know better: Intelligence is not a remedy for racism

August 11, 2013

Smart people are just as racist as their less intelligent peers—they're just better at concealing their prejudice, according to a University of Michigan study.

"High-ability whites are less likely to report prejudiced attitudes and more likely to say they support racial integration in principle," said Geoffrey Wodtke, a doctoral candidate in sociology. "But they are no more likely than lower-ability whites to support open housing laws and are less likely to support school busing and affirmative action programs."

Wodtke presented his findings at the annual meeting of the American Sociological Association. The National Science Foundation and the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development, part of the National Institutes of Health, supported his research.

He analyzed data on the of more than 20,000 respondents from the nationally representative General Social Survey. He examined how their cognitive ability, as measured by a widely used test of verbal intelligence, was linked with their attitudes about African-Americans, and about different policies designed to redress and discrimination.

Respondents were about 47 years old at the time of the interview, on average, and had completed 12.9 years of education. They correctly answered an average of about six of the 10 cognitive ability test questions.

Among Wodtke's findings:

  • High-ability whites were more likely than low-ability whites to reject and to support school integration in principle, and they were more likely to acknowledge racial discrimination in the workplace. But there were only trivial differences across cognitive ability levels in support for policies designed to realize racial equality in practice.
  • In some cases, more intelligent whites were actually less likely to support remedial policies for racial inequality. For example, about 27 percent of the least intelligent whites supported school busing programs, compared with 23 percent of the most intelligent whites.

"The principle-policy paradox is much more pronounced among high-ability whites than among low-ability whites," said Wodtke, who is also affiliated with the Population Studies Center at the U-M Institute for Social Research. "There's a disconnect between the attitudes intelligent whites support in principle and their attitudes toward policies designed to realize racial equality in practice.

"Intelligent whites give more enlightened responses than less intelligent whites to questions about their attitudes, but their responses to questions about actual policies aimed at redressing racial discrimination are far less enlightened. For example, although nearly all whites with advanced say that 'whites have no right to segregate their neighborhoods,' nearly half of this group remains content to allow prejudicial real estate practices to continue unencumbered by open housing laws."

According to Wodtke, the broader implication of this study is that racism and prejudice don't simply come about as a result of low mental capacities or deficiencies in socialization. Rather, they result from the need of dominant groups to legitimize and protect their privileged social position within an intergroup conflict over resources.

"More intelligent members of the dominant group are just better at legitimizing and protecting their privileged position than less intelligent members," he said. "In modern America, where blacks are mobilized to challenge , this means that intelligent whites say—and may in fact truly believe—all the right things about racial equality in principle, but they just don't actually do anything that would eliminate the privileges to which they have become accustomed.

"In many cases, they have become so accustomed to these privileges that they become 'invisible,' and any effort to point these privileges out or to eliminate them strikes intelligent whites as a grave injustice."

Explore further: Education doesn't increase support for affirmative action among whites, minorities

More information: The paper, "Are Smart People Less Racist? Cognitive Ability, Anti-Black Prejudice, and the Principle-Policy Paradox," will be presented on Sunday, Aug. 11, at 2:30 p.m. EDT in New York City at the American Sociological Association's 108th Annual Meeting.

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2.9 / 5 (20) Aug 11, 2013
So being against affirmative action and similar policies makes one racist? Is that what the article is implying? That it is "not enlightened"? What a complete BS. Please stick to science and spare us the political opinions.

"The principle-policy paradox is much more pronounced among high-ability whites than among low-ability whites,"

There is a big difference between principle and policy. In principle, all races should be treated equally and have equal opportunities. In practice, affirmative action is racism and discrimination in itself.
2.3 / 5 (6) Aug 11, 2013
So being against affirmative action and similar policies makes one racist? Is that what the article is implying? That it is "not enlightened"? What a complete BS. Please stick to science and spare us the political opinions.

You think the methods they used weren't good? How do you suggest they improve their methodology? Or do you think it is a question that shouldn't be explored?
2.6 / 5 (17) Aug 11, 2013
So being against affirmative action and similar policies makes one racist? Is that what the article is implying? That it is "not enlightened"? What a complete BS. Please stick to science and spare us the political opinions.

You think the methods they used weren't good? How do you suggest they improve their methodology? Or do you think it is a question that shouldn't be explored?

I dont have issues with the science behind this, methodology or the question itself. But with political commentary and subjective opinions that they try to attach to the results.
2.2 / 5 (17) Aug 11, 2013
So highly educated people, are unenthusiastic about using additional time of their children to transport them to remote school with kids of lower lower socio-economical to get worse education than otherwise? How racist of them!!!
2 / 5 (16) Aug 11, 2013
Isn't it the same study like the
You think the methods they used weren't good?
To extrapolate the dismissal of affirmative actions to racism is very nonscientific to say at least. IMO just the application of these actions is principally racist instead as it implies different handling for particular races.

I have a counter offer for ideologically biased naming: "Better education prevents people from supporting race based discriminatory policies like affirmative action".

Technically speaking, from the provided data it is possible to reach such conclusion...
2.1 / 5 (14) Aug 11, 2013
The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Live (Herrnstein and Murray, Free Press, 1994) rides again. Often criticised, never falsified.

IQ euphemised as "a widely used test of verbal intelligence" slides into public awareness.
1.6 / 5 (13) Aug 11, 2013
I would say that racism is a form of stupidity and therefore the whole premise of the article is wrong. Smart people aren't racist, only stupid people are.
1.9 / 5 (9) Aug 11, 2013
'Racism' or animosity toward outsiders is an aspect of the tribal dynamic. It is an evolutionary strategy of preserving the adapted state of groups native to a particular region.

The tribal dynamic - internal altruism in conjunction with external animosity - tribes which were better at this could be expected to prevail over those which weren't.

Racism - we were selected for it. The degree to which we are able to resist it as individuals is an indication of how DOMESTICATED we are. Intelligent people may have amassed more tools to assist them in this. Stupid people may simply not recognize their racism though it be obvious to others.

Obviously racism is anathema to peace and harmony in today's world. The institutions based on prejudice and tribalism must be rejected and the worst of these are the religions, which thrive on the delineation between who is good and who is evil.
1.8 / 5 (5) Aug 11, 2013
To uphold, cater and harbor racism advocates have to outwit policy makers and sociologists.
There are advocates who can afford any amount of effort to do so.
2.3 / 5 (18) Aug 11, 2013
"And what a backlash it was. It started back in May when I coauthored an unrelated study that estimates the fiscal cost of granting amnesty to illegal immigrants. Opponents seeking to discredit that study pointed to my dissertation, and the firestorm was lit. Reporters pulled the dissertation quotes they found "shocking" and featured them in news stories about anti-immigration extremism. Well-established scientific findings were treated as self-evidently wrong — and likely the product of bigotry."
"For too many people confronted with IQ issues, emotion trumps reason. Some are even angry that I never apologized for my work. I find that sentiment baffling. Apologize for stating empirical facts relevant to public policy?"

Read more: http://www.politi...bfsJGx6G
1.5 / 5 (10) Aug 11, 2013
The reason why this obvious source of racism is not more widely known and accepted by the scientific community is because it gives stupid people the idea that if it is 'normal' then it is acceptable which it IS NOT.

Humans retain many behaviors which aided in their survival but which today are simply not acceptable. Infanticide, bullying, subjugation of women, and even rape, human sacrifice, and cannibalism were a recurring part of the unique human repertoire.

These behaviors contributed to the cohesion of tribes and their success in conflict with other tribes. And we still can find them as accepted behavior in certain cultures today, if not in actual practice then in ritual form, as with the xian eucharist.

We can see the massive efforts mounted by western culture to counter these innate behaviors by promoting the perception that we are all members of a single tribe. This began during the enightenment with the gradual replacement of religion by science and reason.
1.3 / 5 (11) Aug 11, 2013
Some more abhorrent residual expressions of the tribal dynamic in ritual or actual form: arranged marriage (rape), human sacrifice (the cruci-fiction), abortion (prenatal infanticide)...

-How many can you think of?

Some tribal behaviors still serve indispensible if regrettable functions, or are made necessary by the excesses of religion and tribalism itself; ie abortion to counter the effects of forced reproduction and the resulting overpopulation; and of course negotiated and preengineered war.
2.1 / 5 (14) Aug 11, 2013
@Czcibor: Exactly!

Any sane parent would want the best for their kids, and that includes getting them the best start in their life. And, of course, that precludes bussing them to bad schools with a low level of education and a high level of violence.

Heck, I would even go as far as being only for bussing poor but high performance students to affluent areas. You see, I wouldn't mind my kid fraternizing with smart - but poor - kids, but adding problem kids to the environment of my offspring is a big no no.

And for that, I am a racist?
2.5 / 5 (16) Aug 11, 2013
Overall, a very poor article. Are there no better ways to judge racism than the level of support for affirmative action?

You have to ask if the purpose of the "scientific" work was to scare people into supporting affirmative action or to probe racist attitudes. The lesson learned is that if you do not support affirmative action it will be taken as evidence of racism. Talk about scaring people into having the "right" opinions!
1 / 5 (4) Aug 11, 2013
Who did you outwit with this?
2.3 / 5 (16) Aug 11, 2013
"Some races were considered to be so genetically inferior that eugenics was proposed to reduce their reproduction, and Francis Galton urged "the gradual extinction of an inferior race."

It was not a bunch of fringe cranks who said things like this. Many held Ph.D.s from the leading universities, taught at the leading universities and were internationally renowned.

Presidents of Stanford University and of MIT were among the many academic advocates of theories of racial inferiority — applied mostly to people from Eastern and Southern Europe, since it was just blithely assumed in passing that blacks were inferior."
"John Maynard Keynes helped create the Cambridge Eugenics Society. Fabian socialist intellectuals H.G. Wells and George Bernard Shaw were among many other leftist supporters of eugenics."
2.3 / 5 (12) Aug 11, 2013

If you are asking me (not sure that you are), I am criticizing the authors of the original paper. There must be inumerous ways of gauging racist attitudes that do not entail affirmative action. Reaction times when linking loaded words such as "good" with typical minority names such as "Leroy", compared to linking it to mainstream names such as "Joe", just to mention one.

Or, they could have posed oblique questions, that probe the attitudes indirectly. I am not saying that those methods are good, but they are a thousand times better than using support for affirmative action.

Yet, they authors sidestepped all well known methods of estimating racist attitudes in favor of adherence to affirmative action. Why? Are they plain stupid or are they following an unconscious agenda? You tell me.
1.7 / 5 (6) Aug 11, 2013
Do as I say not as I do. In a nutshell.
Are the authors plain stupid not to practice what they preach?
How many affirmative action programs line the road of failure?
Why not use all those affirmative actions programs failures as 'scare' tactic number one, instead of guessing what spooks the public of policy makers the most.
1 / 5 (7) Aug 12, 2013
Sorry rygg everybody knows that eugenics comes from the holybooks

"The United Methodist Church has passed petition 81175 which expresses an apology for support of Eugenics...The laity of the church also took up the cause of eugenics. In 1929, the Methodist Review published the sermon "Eugenics: A Lay Sermon" by George Huntington Donaldson. In the sermon, Donaldson argues, "the strongest and the best are selected for the task of propagating the likeness of God and carrying on his work of improving the race."

-because the religions are only tribalism set in writing. Believers and tribalists think that the other tribes are always a little less human than they are.
1.8 / 5 (19) Aug 12, 2013
Otto, Progressive churches supported Eugenics no doubt. Just like today, the United Church and many other "Progressive" churches support un-biblical doctrines such as being Pro-Choice, Pro Gay Marriage, etc.

But they were not obeying the Bible. The bible states, people are wonderfully made Psalm 139:13-15, then there is all the LOVE statements (Something Progressive Humanists can't seem to understand)

Progressive Humanists hate those that they find imperfect. Planned Parenthood, Marget Sanger et al, want to rid the world hate human weeds, which include blacks, the infirm, the crippled, the mentally slow, etc.

If you can't produce something a secular Humanist considers valuable, you are disposable to a secular humanist.
2.1 / 5 (19) Aug 12, 2013
Can someone please give me the rules that Progressives use to determine who a racist is?
As far as I can determine a racist to a progressive is: 1. anyone who disagrees with Obama. 2. anyone who does not sing praises to Obama. 3. anyone who does not cover up Obama's scandals. 4. any white (white is defined as, white/white, white/Hispanic, white/oriental, white/any race but black) person who defends themselves from black skinned thugs. 5. Any white (see definition above of white), who disagrees with a black skinned person. 6. Anyone who wants people to be judged by their character and not the color of their skin. 7. anyone who tells the truth about policies that keep the black skinned population in poverty

-any other definitions?

Read more at:
2.1 / 5 (19) Aug 12, 2013
I also would like to know who isn't a racist according to progressives. As far as I can tell according to progressives you are not racist if you are 1. a white person who insults, degrades a black skinned person based on the color of their skin, if they are a conservative. 2. white person who supports the elimination by abortion of the black population aka planned parenthood Margret Sanger 3. a white progressive who supports policies that enslaves the black skinned population by policies aka FDR, LBJ 4. a black progressive like Jessy Jackson, Al Sharpton, Rev Write, etc. that spew racial hatred towards whites. 5. black skinned thugs when they beat up white skinned victims.

Oh the rules.....I would like to know the rules Progressives live by which determine who is and isn't a racist. Please anyone tell me If I'm on the right track with the Progressive rules on racism.

2.1 / 5 (19) Aug 12, 2013
Lets say the United States elects a 100% black man as president (unlike Obama who is only 50% black), If he used the IRS against his political foes, allowed diplomats to be slaughtered by terrorists, hid the fact that it was a terrorist action, blamed the slaughter of the diplomats on a unknown film by an unknown filmmaker, then has the filmmaker arrested, used the DOJ to go after reporters who investigate him, allows sensitive information about allies to be leaked because he doesn't like the allies, bows to tyrants, tramples the first, second, and forth amendments of the constitution, rules like a dictator,

Would Obama be called a racist for pointing out the scandals, because Obama is 50% white, or is it only those that are 100% white racist for pointing out the scandals? Is it racist if a US citizen who is 100% Chinese points out the scandals? Would it make a difference if the President was a democrat VS a republican to the charge of racism?

1 / 5 (9) Aug 12, 2013
Otto, Progressive churches supported Eugenics no doubt. Just like today, the United Church and many other "Progressive" churches support un-biblical doctrines such as being Pro-Choice, Pro Gay Marriage, etc
Sorry freak you didnt read the link or even my post. It was the CONSERVATIVES who were most in favor of culling the herd. Ignoring evidence is another way of lying to yourself. Youre nothing BUT lies arent you?
But they were not obeying the Bible. The bible states, people are wonderfully made Psalm 139:13-15, then there is all the LOVE statements
The bible is a story about refining the chosen people by tempting them and then removing those who succumb. Wheat from chaff. The remnants get to continue as they are a little more domesticated.

Xians decided to call this process love but even jesus was clear on this. Unbelievers are evil and will burn in hell. 'Not peace but a sword' said he, to rip apart families and cause them to kill one another.
2.7 / 5 (21) Aug 12, 2013
The charge of "racism" is used as a political weapon. This is clearly being done in the above "study". For this reason it is defined only as the need fits the agenda.

Disagreeing with affirmative action is not racist. Profiling, is not racist if based on quantifiable facts or experience. Having a natural reaction to the behavior of a identifiable group is not racist.

For example, Obama recently stated,... "There are very few African-Americans who haven't had the experience of getting on an elevator and a woman clutching her purse nervously and holding her breath." - B.H. Obama

Now, Obama would rather you think that that white women is a evil racist. He is another dishonest liberal in not telling you WHY the women had that reaction, nor that she is entitled to it.

She may simply be having a natural reaction to facts or passed experience,.. i.e. the disproportionately high crime rate amongst young black males, is factual, and perfectly rational to react to in decisions.
1.7 / 5 (11) Aug 12, 2013
I know the article says you can be a racist and still be intelligent, but don't get the wrong idea guys. The racists here are most certainly dumbasses.

Maybe not Noumenon. He is smart enough to set up some sort of auto-sockpuppeting program. Check out the user Kiwini.
2.7 / 5 (21) Aug 12, 2013
I know the article says you can be a racist and still be intelligent, but don't get the wrong idea guys. The racists here are most certainly dumbasses.

Maybe not Noumenon. He is smart enough to set up some sort of auto-sockpuppeting program. Check out the user Kiwini.

What did I say that was racist? Someone should do a study on the intelligence level of people who toss around the racism charge without themselves understanding what that term means.

The disproportionately high crime rate amongst blacks is a fact. Knowing this fact or mentioning it in context, does not make one racist.

I don't control "Kiwini".
2.1 / 5 (18) Aug 12, 2013
Otto, either you refuse to learn what the bible says or you are purposely misleading people. Anyone who want to really know what the bible says about this subject feel free to PM me. If you want to find out what an ignorant Atheist wants the bible to say talk to Otto.

I'm waiting for Otto to ask a real question about the Bible instead of his rout Atheist Jesus Seminar quotes. I've been asked tougher, deeper, more insightful questions from 5 year olds, that forced me to do a lot of studying. Anyone who knows the bible can answer Otto's questions in their sleep.

BTW, still waiting for some Progressive Secular Humanist to give me an answer what their definition of a Racist is...... Come on it can't be hard

How do you play with a Progressives head? Ask them to define words like: is, racist, homophobes, hate, love. They love to throw these words around, but defining them shows you what they say isn't what they mean!
1.9 / 5 (18) Aug 12, 2013
Otto, the United Methodist sill support Margret Sangers Planned Parenthood. You know the one who wanted to kill human weeds.... like black folks...

So Maybe the united Methodist still need to apologize? Oh, but wait.... they're progressive.....They can say the oppose racism, but then support organization like the racist Planned Parenthood, and accuse others of racism.....

1.9 / 5 (18) Aug 12, 2013
Is it racist not to pray to Obama like this boy? http://www.infowa...o-obama/

What about separation of church and state....perhaps we need to keep the Name of Obama out of the schools.
2.2 / 5 (13) Aug 13, 2013

The racists here are most certainly dumbasses.

... says the dude who uppercases own name.

1.7 / 5 (6) Aug 13, 2013
Anyone who really want to know what the bible me
So you're reluctant to air your lies in public. This is progress. Sanger was religious

"SANGER: Well, I have a different attitude about--the divine--I feel that we have divinity within us, and the more we express the good part of our lives, the more the divine within us expresses itself.I suppose I would call myself an Episcopalian by religion"

-It's funny how godders want to divide themselves up as conservative vs progressive. Wheat from chaff.

Conservative and progressive religionists are again killing each other off in northern Ireland. Nothing progressive about that is there?

The holybooks never change. You always revert. And when the time comes once again to start killing each other off you just turn to the appropriate chapters. Because that's what they're there for.
1.9 / 5 (17) Aug 13, 2013
Otto, you ask the same dumb questions over and over again. Do you want me to cut and paste the answers......
1.8 / 5 (15) Aug 13, 2013
So Otto do you agree with Planed Parenthood, Marget Sanger, and many other Progressives objectives to eliminate, as they put it "human weeds", aka, blacks, mentally/physically handicapped?
3 / 5 (2) Aug 13, 2013
Smart enough to know better: Intelligence is not a remedy for racism

Maybe it's just one of those 'left brain' vs. 'right brain' types of issues (and I put these terms in quotation marks on purpose because it's not as clear cut in terms of location within the brain as all that).
Racism is something that depends on how much empathy you're able to feel. Seems understandeable that this is somewhat independent of intellectual capability (i.e. a narcicist type will, even if he/she's intelligent, be more likely racist than not).
1.8 / 5 (16) Aug 13, 2013
Otto, do you agree with Margret Sanger when she said: Eugenics is … the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems.

How about when she said: We must make this country into a garden of children instead of a disorderly back lot overrun with human weeds.

or: The ministers work is also important and also he should be trained, perhaps by the Federation as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.

I'm sure, given your hatred of children to set up a Population Congress, like she wanted which...the main objects of the Population Congress would be [...] (f) to give certain dysgenic groups in our population their choice of segregation or sterilization.

1.9 / 5 (17) Aug 13, 2013
Otto: this link is for you and those of the Jesus seminars. I really don't think the person is at all religious, but debunks many of the things you keep posting. Scroll down to the last famous documentaries mentioned.

1.7 / 5 (17) Aug 13, 2013
I'm am educated Black man and I'm here to tell you people all about the 'dirty little secrets' that are rampant in the Black communities in America. I noticed it while growing up in a poor but decent Black community and I noticed it when I visited Black urban ghettos full of drug addicts, unwed teenage mothers with crack babies, and Black whores and their pimps all dressed up with gold fillings and fancy clothes driving Cadillacs around town. I noticed that Blacks tend to hate themselves and each other for no other reason than the color of their skin and the nap of their hair as well as other attributes and traits that are mostly particular to Blacks. I came to the understanding eventually that my people are hateful of their blackness and are jealous and hateful of the Whites. They look upon the Whites as having "good hair" while they have "bad hair". They hate the shapes of their noses and lips and eyes because it marks them as Black and there is not much they can do about it.
1.9 / 5 (18) Aug 13, 2013
I have found that it is for these reasons that Black men prefer to marry White women, not simply from falling in love, but as an attempt to escape from their blackness and stereotype. It is pervasive in the Black communities, whether conscious of it or not. It's there all the time. White liberals have shown their true colors with regard to their racist need to destroy the Black population in America with programs like Affirmative Action and rotten education by rotten teachers. That need is based on the White supremacist attitude of White Liberals and Progressives who disguise themselves with all the trappings of altruistic nonsense that only serves to diminish Blacks further in their Progressive eyes and diminish the Blacks who are supposedly being helped, in their own eyes.
1.9 / 5 (18) Aug 13, 2013
Rather than improving education for those Black children who have the best potential for success, White Progressives look at the Juvenile Delinquents in each Black community and school as a challenge to their ability to "free the slaves" and bring the savages into line with Progressive thinking. They do this partially by instructing children in how to properly put a condom on a cucumber, which takes the place of a penis, while never realizing that children who want to engage in sex are not about to search for a cucumber. Or even a condom. Progressive teachers will never ever suggest to their student to wait until marriage to have sex. No, that would run counter to the popular Progressive belief that Black children are little savages who constantly dream of having all the sex they want. And when it does happen, Progressives say to each other 'yes, that is the traits and characteristics of the Black race.
It's up to us Progressives to fix the problem of their uncivilized nature.
2.5 / 5 (21) Aug 13, 2013
The racism of the 'progressive' liberals is implicit in their agenda, in the perpetual victimization culture, in the lowering of the bar for blacks for acceptable behavior, education standards, constantly supplanting personal responsibility for blame of "white society".

It is American society, not "white society",... and anyone who rejects or blames it can't possibly suceed.

Blacks were oppressed and treated as 2nd class citizens by a racist American culture as late as the '50's, ... but the black family unit was stronger then, then it is now.

The liberal victimization culture, the separatist black subculture, and the welfare culture has degenerate them, not helped. Liberals will not admit this resounding failure. Every black man that assimilates into "white culture" is roundly accepted and successful. When he realizes he is not a victim or refuses to be one, he is free.
2.1 / 5 (19) Aug 13, 2013
As a Black man I find it discriminatory and incredibly stupid for these researchers of White society to concentrate only on White racism and bias and then publish their findings in media such as with the obvious bent to label most Whites as racists as though they had tested and interviewed every White person in the country. I can see the politics hidden in this constant barrage on and other websites that cater to Progressives and the Progressive's way of thinking and style.
I find that Progressive-Liberal researchers have no desire to do a similar type of research to examine Black racism and bias against Whites. To do such a research would mean that Whites would have to go into Black communities, neighborhoods, towns, cities, and anywhere Blacks congregate and ask them questions about their racism and bias. Personally, I would like to see such a study published on and not just one. I doubt that it will happen since they see only Whites as being racist.
3 / 5 (6) Aug 13, 2013
I gotta say, I agree. As a white man (leaning liberal on most issues) who knows plenty of smart black men; there sure is a ridiculous amount of racism in this country. (what does he mean?! you're asking) I mean there are plenty of black people who experience racism, and there are an equal amount of white people who experience racism. What's absolutely fucking ridiculous is the attempt at justifying racism against white people because of what their great great grandparents did. Oh, I'll just hop in my fucking time machine and go back in time to stop it.
1.5 / 5 (8) Aug 13, 2013
Otto, do you agree with Margret Sanger when she said: Eugenics is … the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems
Geez I dont know do you agree with "Conservative Rev. Clarence True Wilson, the General Secretary of the Methodist Episcopal Board of Temperance, Prohibition and Public Morals, and the man chosen to debate Clarence Darrow after William Jennings Bryan's death" when he said he "believed that only the white Aryan race was the descendent of the lost tribes of Israel." -?

-Or the Catholic Priest, theologian and declared eugenicist Joseph Mayer (1886-1967) when he said that "The mentally ill person… does not have the moral right to beget children.", as supported by the Catholic moral theologian Fritz Tillman and the prominent Catholic politician Erich Emminger?

Or the Catholic Hermann Muckermann (1877-1962), known as "the Pope of positive eugenics", who advocated sterilization of "genetically encumbered" criminals" -?
1.4 / 5 (10) Aug 13, 2013
I'm am educated Black man
Uh no youre one of many suckpuppets of obama_socks who has been using you and other suckpuppets to downrate me and others for many months now. Please see my activity page for direct proof.
White Progressives...Progressive thinking...Progressive-Liberal researchers...Progressive teachers ...Progressives say...
-See? Typical pussytard bullshit.
As a Black man
You really are a sicko arent you?
2.2 / 5 (10) Aug 13, 2013
Take it otto-
1.7 / 5 (12) Aug 13, 2013
I have found that it is for these reasons that Black men prefer to marry White women
See? No black man would say this.
As a Black man I find it discriminatory and incredibly stupid
And I find you pretending to be a black man incredibly offensive you lying sack of shit.
2 / 5 (16) Aug 14, 2013
I do not agree with Progressives.... whether they are in church or out of church..... but what about you Otto, you agree with those progressives?
1 / 5 (7) Aug 14, 2013
Being a progressive religionist is like being a conservative anarchist.

All religions are regressive whether they want reform or not. Ive shown you that eugenics comes from religion.
2.2 / 5 (17) Aug 14, 2013
No Otto, all you've shown is that eugenics comes from the Perverted Minds of the Progressives and secular humanists.
1.6 / 5 (7) Aug 14, 2013
Racism - I've seen it, I've been subject to it. The messed up thing is it's not going to change until people give up the idea that they are better than anyone else. As this will never happen because people like to feel important it's just something you're gonna have to deal with so get over it.

Is hating the whole human race, racism? Technically yes, therefore I am a racist and proud of it! I don't judge people by color. I hate everyone equally. I would rather talk to Aliens. Seeing as that isn't happening any time soon I'll stick you talking to anyone that cares to listen.

I've seen eugenics mentioned a few times in these comments. I've just got one small statement to make.

Remove all warning/caution labels. Leave the instructions. I mean on everything.
1.6 / 5 (7) Aug 14, 2013
is that eugenics? Nope survival of the fittest.
1 / 5 (6) Aug 14, 2013
"8 Why if your hand or your foot offend you, cut them off, and cast them from you: it is better for you to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire." mat18

"5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace." Rom11

"17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" Rev 12

"20 In that day the remnant of Israel, the survivors of the house of Jacob, will no longer rely on him who struck them down but will truly rely on the LORD" isa10

"17 His winnowing fork is in his hand, to clear his threshing floor and to gather the wheat into his barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire." luk3

"11 You conceive chaff; you give birth to stubble; your breath is a fire that will consume you." Isa33

-Eugenics is only a polite word for husbandry. You are a flock with a shepherd.
1.6 / 5 (14) Aug 14, 2013
The subject of my thesis at college was on Black hatred and suspicion of Whites in spite of Affirmative Action. I found that it was a subject that had never really been out in the open and dealt with, and I have pursued the causes and effects within the Black community for the past 21 years or so. It has made me unpopular in some social circles, including White and Black Liberals, but I felt that it was necessary to bring it out in the open and discussed. It also gave me a chance to find out if such hatred and suspicion was localized or more or less endemic in the Black-American population.

LOL I'm glad that I came back to this thread. I see that TheGhostofOtto1923 has decided to do to me as he does to others. I haven't been on long enough to know everyone, meaning all the regulars and I doubt that I will have much of an opportunity to take time off from my busy work schedule at the hospital but I will try.
And yes, I AM a Black man and proud of it.
1.6 / 5 (14) Aug 14, 2013
I am employed as a Psychiatrist in the same hospital in which a nurse named Debra Ann has also been employed for many years. Debra Ann came to me and my colleagues and asked that we look into the rantings of a male subject on who had been insisting that Debra Ann is a sock puppet, and she requested that we attempt to make a diagnosis through the internet. I agreed to reading TheGhostofOtto1923's comments in as many threads as possible in my spare time. After reading dozens of Otto's comments, I have come to the conclusion that TheGhostofOtto1923 has several mental issues. These issues are:
c. Apophenia, which characterizes the onset of delusional thinking in Psychosis.

1.6 / 5 (14) Aug 14, 2013
It is my professional opinion that if the person known as TheGhostofOtto1923 isn't already in a mental hospital, he certainly should be, as he could be a danger to himself and others. Three of my colleagues concur with my opinion as they also have been reading Otto's comments and have decided for the same diagnosis.

Otto's sock puppetry is his way of acting out the bad behavior that is a part of his psyche but prefers that his many personas not be found out to be himself. He does this for the simple reason that he must impress everyone else as to his 'good' intentions, but that the bad behavior belongs to someone else. However, I am impressed by Otto's verbal command of the English language, in spite of his inability to comprehend the comments of others at times. I was warned about this but had to see it for myself.
I will limit my comments and instead observe Otto's and his sock puppets (also him)
1.6 / 5 (7) Aug 14, 2013
I haven't been on long enough to know everyone, meaning all the regulars and I doubt that I will have much of an opportunity to take time off from my busy work schedule at the hospital but I will try
Member since: February 23, 2012, 12:51 am

-And like I say, myself and many others here will attest that this sockpuppet has been downrating along with the entire pussytard coterie since that time.

YOU are a liar.
I am employed as a Psychiatrist
Lets see. Pirouette was a fake ufologist. Ritchieguy was a fake sweet sorghum farmer. Russkiye was a fake russian. Pussycat_eyes was a fake nurse. obama_socks is a fake NASA afronastical engineer (contract).
1.6 / 5 (7) Aug 14, 2013
These were all very easy to expose as the cracked individual who created them is pretty stupid. Should we wait until you say something incredibly ignorant? Nah - youve already exposed yourself.
my thesis at college was on Black hatred and suspicion of Whites in spite of Affirmative Action
-Sorry Affirmative Action had nothing to do with reducing anyones suspicion of anything. This is not a subject for a doctoral thesis and so you are a LIAR.
in the same hospital
Yeah I have no doubt that you are in a mental hospital. The mystery is why you are allowed access to a computer.
1.6 / 5 (7) Aug 14, 2013
Pirouette was a fake ufologist who was sure she was seeing 900 ft tall sleeping glass-headed martians in NASA photos.

Ritchieguy was a fake sweet sorghum farmer who was growing sweet sorghum for ethanol but didnt know there wasnt any place in the US that could process the stuff, and didnt know what a distillery was.

Russkiye was a fake russian.

Pussycat_eyes was a fake nurse who thought that bloodletting could cure leukemia (?).

Obama_socks is a fake NASA afronastical engineer (contract) who didnt know that the WEBB telescope was a satellite. But they still pay her 250k/yr and send her to berlin occasionally, I suppose to pick up von brauns mail or something.

And racistblackguy is obviously a fake black male psychiatrist.

Whats next - are you going to flesh out your jewzrule or uratard drones?

-Are you really proud of this legacy pussytard?
1.7 / 5 (6) Aug 17, 2013
I think it is also freethinking too. The whole doe-eyed immigrant with perfect children shtick is just too cute.

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