Renewable energy reduces the highest electric rates in the nation

Coal is the primary fuel source for Midwest electric utilities. Michigan Technological University researchers found that increasing renewable and distributed generation energy sources can save Michigan electric consumers money.

As and access to distributed generation like residential solar panels improve, consumer costs for electricity decrease. Making electricity for yourself with solar has become more affordable than traditional electricity fuel sources like coal.

However, as three Michigan Tech researchers contend in a new study, while utility fuel mixes are slowly shifting away from fossil fuels toward , Michigan utilities, and U.S. utilities broadly, continue a relationship with fossil fuels that is detrimental to their customers.

The paper, "Policies to Overcome Barriers for Renewable Energy Distributed Generation: A Case Study of Utility Structure and Regulatory Regimes in Michigan," was published in the policy special issue of the journal Energies.

"Michigan utilities are beginning to recognize the benefits of solar (and other renewables)," said Emily Prehoda, lead author of the paper and doctoral candidate in environmental and energy policy at Michigan Tech. "Some utilities are even shifting their portfolios to include large-scale solar and wind generation. However, utilities fear competition from, and actively hinder proliferation of, distributed generation systems by clinging to the traditional utility model."

In the paper, Prehoda and co-authors Joshua M. Pearce, Richard Witte Endowed Professor of Materials Science and Engineering, and Chelsea Schelly, associate professor of sociology, note that in the U.S., "70 percent of coal plants run at a higher cost than new and by 2030 all of them will."

The researchers provide a breakdown of savings per kilowatt hour by county that Michigan residents could achieve if they produce their own electricity with solar photovoltaic panels.

The most significant impacts of distributed generation with solar are in the Upper Peninsula, where residential customers could see savings of approximately 7 cents per . Assuming the average residential consumer uses 600 kilowatt hours of electricity monthly, this is a savings of $42 per utility bill. Downstate, the average savings per utility bill under the researchers' model is approximately $30 monthly.

However, not all Michigan consumers can take advantage of the opportunity to self-generate, as some utilities are blocking additional net-metered distributed generation in their areas.

"Refusing to allow Michigan customers to have the opportunity to install cheaper and reliable electricity sources deprives the electrical grid of many benefits," Prehoda said. One such benefit is creating a more decentralized electric grid less vulnerable to attack.

According to the Michigan Public Service Commission's (MPSC) 2017 annual report (the most recent available), Michigan's use of coal as its primary electricity fuel source has decreased (from 73.18 percent in 2009 to 37.41 percent in 2016), and that void has been filled mainly by natural gas, energy waste reduction and renewable energy (which increased from 4 percent in 2009 to 9.67 percent in 2016). In Michigan, 84 percent of residents receive electricity from for-profit corporations like UPPCO and Consumers Energy.

In early 2019, Consumers Energy, which provides electricity to many Lower Peninsula communities, was approved for a rate increase that equates to a $1.62 increase per month for customers.

In late 2018, UPPCO requested a $10 million annual rate increase, which equates to a $6.50 per month increase for a residential customer consuming approximately 500 kilowatt hours of energy monthly; in February 2019, Michigan's Attorney General Dana Nessel filed in opposition to the increase with the MPSC and has suggested to the MPSC, a rate increase of no more than $3.5 million.

While in the past MPSC has lowered the amount of requested rate increases, the commission has not denied a rate increase.

Yet, as this study demonstrates, if utilities allow customers to generate their own power in addition to the power they consume from the grid, residential customers would see a substantial decrease in their electric rate by making their own solar .


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More information: Emily Prehoda et al. Policies to Overcome Barriers for Renewable Energy Distributed Generation: A Case Study of Utility Structure and Regulatory Regimes in Michigan, Energies (2019). DOI: 10.3390/en12040674
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Mar 14, 2019
"...As renewable energy technologies and access to distributed generation like residential solar panels improve, consumer costs for electricity decrease..."
It's exactly the contrary: as the share of intermittent renewables on the grid increases, the consumer costs for electricity also increases.

"This is why studies show that in California when solar penetration reaches 30%, a solar kWh will lose two-thirds of its value"
https://www.natur...gy201636

"Why cheap electricity doesn't necessarily result in lower bills" - Feb 2019
"The main reason is subsidies for wind and solar construction."
http://www.utilit.../547320/
"If Solar And Wind Are So Cheap, Why Are They Making Electricity So Expensive?"
http://www.forbes...-reasons


Mar 14, 2019
Lower demand = higher cost.

Everybodies who knowed ekonumix knowed dats.

MAGA!

Mar 14, 2019
The truth from the AGW Cult.
https://www.youtu...=pl%2Cwn

Mar 14, 2019
It's exactly the contrary
More lies from Willie Ward. Oklahoma gets 1/3 of its power from the wind - and has some of the lowest electricity rates in the world.

Sad that you have to keep promoting untruths. And the costs keep coming down for wind and solar - but Willie will never talk about the cost of nukes. Sad...

Mar 14, 2019
What a misleading headline. Are they trying to say that Michigan has the highest rates in the nation?
https://www.elect...ichigan/

How trustworthy can the rest of the figures be?

Mar 15, 2019
..Oklahoma..
Oklahoma is mostly powered by cheap coal & fracked gas "greenwashed" by intermittent renewables. If Oklahoma has some of the lowest electricity rates, it's thanks to cheap natural gas. Intermittent renewables are just 'decorative facades' to keep the expansion of the gas(fracking) industry.
"Oklahoma is one of the top natural gas-producing..."
http://www.eia.go.../?sid=OK

You green sociopaths(maniac compulsive pathological liars) are unable to cite a small region(>10,000 inhabitants, off-the-grid) powered at least 1/3 by solar & wind parasitizing Hydro instead of coal/oil/gas/fracking to compensate intermittencies, and having affordable electricity prices without any external big money support with vested interests.

Oklahoma: "9.92 cents/kWh"
"Nuclear power plant in WA generates more production records at 3¢/kWhr" - Oct 2018
http://www.forbes...-records

Mar 15, 2019
Oklahoma is mostly powered by cheap coal & fracked gas
But that is changing. And it is irrelevant to proving your constant lie - when you assert that electricity prices increase when renewables enter the grid. That is a lie - and proven to be a lie - by Oklahoma's high penetration of renewables - and low electricity cost. Simply logic - you repeatedly fail to understand - which is called dunning kruger.

Mar 16, 2019
Interesting article on a renewable energy standard for Minnesota.
"Exposing the Real Costs of "Green" Energy" - Mar 12, 2019
http://www.powerl...ergy.php
"Unfortunately, wind power ... many people recognize are turbine blade noise and vibration, visual impacts, migratory bird losses, economics, and the impact on civilian and military radar."
"...wind power's classification as renewable is a misnomer, both erroneous and misleading, and a dangerous precedent. Equally disturbing is the widespread and intentional disregard of the consequences of wind power on climate change"
http://www.powerm...ntmode=1

"The more you know about renewables, the less you like them. The more you know about nuclear, the more you like it. The only thing holding us back is ignorance, superstition and fear of the unknown."

Mar 16, 2019
The more you know about renewables, the less you like them
Which is why the German people overwhelmingly support the energy transition https://www.unend...xpansion

I could give you dozens of links to validate that information - but you don't care about information do you? So the facts I present are that only 15% of countries in the world have a nuke - where as 100% have renewables. Can you dispute the FACTS Willie? I thought not - so you just keep lying.

Mar 16, 2019
Will doesn't care about any of the facts greenonions. It is nuclear or nothing with him. A couple articles ago in response to his constant leaning on the intermittency problem of solar and wind, I linked a video of currently emerging tech involving cheap gravity fed energy storage systems ( https://www.youtu...wdTGZxGk ), which can also be done with buoys under the sea. In response to this, he decided to link another article citing high co2 emissions of concrete manufacturing, the material the weights are made of, as if a weight has to be made of concrete and nothing else. This is hilarious when you think of the shear amount of concrete needed in the construction of a nuclear power plant facility. Lastly, the article he posted actually had a section which spoke of bio concrete made with bacteria and not co2 emitting kilning. Do you like to eat red herring much Willie?

Mar 17, 2019
...Which is why the German people overwhelmingly support the energy transition...
Germany has spent hundreds of billions of euros on intermittent renewables, has ~100GW of installed-capacity enough to replace hard coal or lignite coal, but is ever more addicted to coal and Russian gas to prevent Germans from freezing in the dark.
"Wind Turbines Can Harm Heart, Says German Professor" - Nov 1,2018
https://www.breit...ofessor/

In general, fossil fuels are highly TAXED.
In electricity production, they are slightly subsidized to prevent poor children from freezing in the dark.
Solar & wind are highly SUBSIDIZED even though they don't prevent children from freezing to death, mainly during the Winter.
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Mar 17, 2019
...This is hilarious when you think of the shear amount of concrete needed in the construction...
Wind and solar require much more concrete per installed-capacity, worse yet when the magically " cheap gravity fed energy storage systems" are included.
"The dilute nature of water, sunlight & wind means that ~5,000 times more land & 10 - 15 times more concrete, cement, steel & glass, are required than for nuclear"
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"Solar and wind power require a huge amount of materials due to the infrastructure and the supporting functions required to account for the fluctuating nature of the production."
"If the goal is low emission energy production with as small an environmental footprint as possible, we should measure the amount of emissions and the environmental footprint instead of vague brands or trends."
https://www.fenno...buzzword

Mar 17, 2019
Totally agree Renfield. It is so interesting to see the ability of some people to push their own private agenda - in the face of so much real world information. Recently Shell announced their intent to become the biggest electricity supplier in the world - in 10 years - https://renewecon...n-70440/
Notice Shell is not talking about nukes - but rather renewables. They can do math. There is much work going on in the field of storage. It will all come down to cost. Interesting times - and good to point out the lies of people like Willie. They will go the way of the dinosaur - but slow down progress in the mean time.

Mar 19, 2019
...Recently Shell announced their intent to become the biggest electricity supplier in the world - in 10 years...
More intermittencies = more fossil fossils.
"Read more about the symbiotic relationship of natural gas and oil and renewable energy in @washingtonpost:"
http://www.washin...issions/
"American Petroleum Institute - the main lobby group for oil and gas industry - makes it abundantly clear that they partner with renewables. RE provides green cover; oil & gas provide most of power & take home most of revenue."

"In REAL life, 100% renewables = 80% natural gas & 20% renewables. No wonder natural gas is the fastest growing fuel worldwide."
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Ban oil/gas/fracking, and solar/wind dies.

Mar 19, 2019
It is so interesting to see the ability of some people to push their own private agenda

It's not even his private agenda. He's a paid FUDser

Mar 19, 2019
More intermittencies = more fossil fossils
More lies from the paid FUDser. Lucky it is so easy to expose the lies. Facts demonstrated in this article - between 2009, and 2018 in UK - coal nukes, gas all down, wind and solar up.
https://www.carbo...nce-1994

Mar 19, 2019
"More lies from the paid FUDser."

Oh dear, it look like peer review does not guarantee true science.

Read it and weep, 40,000 polar bears and climbing.

http://joannenova...r-bears/


Mar 20, 2019
...between 2009, and 2018 in UK - coal nukes, gas all down, wind and solar up...
https://www.carbo...nce-1994
Demand decreased because electricity prices increased thanks to penetration of intermittent renewables on the grid.
From your article:
"UK electricity demand has fallen significantly since 2005..."
Other factor than renewables accounted for 78% of emission reduction:
- 33% due to gas;
- 12% reduced stationary fuel consumption;
- 18% reduced electricity consumption;
- 15% vehicle efficiency.

More intermittencies = more fossil fossils
"Solar and Wind Lock-In Fossil Fuels -- And That Makes Saving the Climate Harder & More Expensive"
http://www.forbes...pensive/
http://reason.com...nd-solar

Mar 20, 2019
""Solar and Wind Lock-In Fossil Fuels -- And That Makes Saving the Climate Harder & More Expensive""

Willie they lock in natural gas and exclude coal. This is very bad news because contrary to popular belief gas supplies are limited. If fracking turns out to be as unprofitable as some think we could have a serious nat gas shortage in just a few years.

Mar 20, 2019
Demand decreased because electricity prices increased thanks to penetration of intermittent renewables on the grid
But Willie provides no source for this gem. So how come Oklahoma gets 1/3 of power from wind - but has some of lowest costs in the world? But hey - if you want to see prices spike in the U.K. - wait until Hinkley point comes on line. 12.5 cents kwh - inflation adjusted upwards.

Mar 20, 2019
Willie they lock in natural gas and exclude coal. This is very bad news
MR is on the record - promoting the use of coal.
contrary to popular belief gas supplies are limited
No shit Sherlock. Who'd a thunk that a finite fossil fuel resource was 'limited.' But you imply that popular belief is that nat gas is unlimited. Only you could think something that dumb. So how limited are these reserves MR? Why don't you ask old Uncle Google? Eia says we have about 90 years worth at current usage. That should be enough time to scale up renewables - don't you think?
https://www.ameri...-it-last

Mar 21, 2019
...Oklahoma gets 1/3 of power from wind...
You have no shame in continuing to display countries/states with abundant supply of cheap coal and/or fracked gas "greenwashed" by intermittent renewables.But of course it's the only thing you green sociopaths have after trillions of dollars spent on intermittent renewables globally.

...That should be enough time to scale up renewables...
Solar and wind are scaling up as well fracked gas, with almost nothing to show at reducing emissions, when the gas use up, mankind will freeze to death, mainly during the Winter when energy is most needed and solar panels are covered in snow and the lubricant oil in windmills get frozen.

UK:
"£165m investment: UK's first deep coal mine in over 30 years given green light" - Mar 19, 2019
https://www.times...00-jobs/

Mar 21, 2019
You have no shame in continuing to display countries/states with abundant supply of cheap coal and/or fracked gas
The whole world has an abundant supply of cheap coal and gas - it is called the free market - dummy. That in no way detracts from the reality that Oklahoma also has an abundant supply of cheap wind and solar. So with 1/3 of their power coming from the wind - their electricity rates have not gone up - so that proves you are a liar.

Mar 21, 2019
Solar and wind are scaling up as well fracked gas
Nope - liar. Coal and gas use went DOWN in the UK over the past 10 years. The scales are tipping Willie - maybe you should read y our own articles.
The county council's planning panel today approved the project by West Cumbria Mining, which is expected to create more than 500 jobs and give a boost to the area following the collapse of the Moorside nuclear investment deal
See - by promoting uneconomic nuclear unicorn farts - you enable the coal industry. You and MR are a disgrace.

Mar 21, 2019
Cool quote here
That means that as the installations of rooftop solar and large scale renewables grows, the output of fossil fuels reduces – initially this hit brown coal, but more recently it has impacted gas generation because of its high cost.
Could it be that Willie and MR are just liars and trolls?
https://renewecon...r-28485/

Mar 23, 2019
...Coal and gas use went DOWN in the UK over the past 10 years...
Because demand has decreased thanks to expensive renewables.

...promoting uneconomic...unicorn farts...
According to Eco-nuts, solar and wind is cheap, ~100 trillions of dollars is cheap.
"It's Cheaper To Buy Every American A Ferrari Than Fund The Green New Deal"
https://thelibert...ew-deal/
https://dailycall...erraris/
"Report: Green New Deal Could Cost Every US Household $65,000 A Year"
https://wattsupwi...-a-year/
https://www.realc...026.html
"Green New Deal Would Cost up to $94 TRILLION, 600k Per Household"
https://bongino.c...usehold/

Mar 23, 2019
Because demand has decreased thanks to expensive renewables
Renewables are cheap - so your lies are rubbish. Again - the picture is simple - coal and gas down, renewables up. Simple Willie - but probably not for you. But it shows what a liar you are. You of course want the Brits to pay 12.5 cents Kwh for nuclear unicorn farts. Disgraceful!

Mar 24, 2019
...Renewables are cheap...
"cheap" except "batteries not included" neither coal/gas-fired backup plants nor integration costs.
So it's needed massive mass media propaganda to fool the public to convince them to buy solar panels/windmills(useless placebos).
It's same as advertising an electric car cheaper than a conventional one, hiding the fact "batteries not included" where the batteries are one of most expensive item.

Of course, RE "snake oil salesmen" love to deceive the innocent people in order to steal their hard-earned money.
https://www.comun...oney.jpg
"Battery storage needed to convert solar generation equal to a year of Hinkley nuclear generation to baseload: $700 billion, about 28 times the ~$25 billion cost of the Hinkley plant."

Mar 25, 2019
cheap" except "batteries not included
Nope - just cheap
It would be cheaper to build local wind and solar projects than continuing to operate 74 percent of U.S. coal plants
And the cost keeps coming down. Of course you want us to buy 12.5 cents Kwh magic unicorn farts.

https://www.green...s.2gria3

Mar 26, 2019
...It would be cheaper to build local wind and solar projects than continuing to operate 74 percent of U.S. coal plants...
The same was said in Germany times ago.
Then the old coal plants were replaced by new(more efficient) coal plants and/or gas plants.
"Germany is building a brand new 1100 MW #coal stations to replace #nuclear." -2019
https://www.unipe...atteln-4
"Because solar and wind cannot replace fossil fuels on any meaningful scale and they sure as hell can't replace the nuclear that Germany idiotically closed down. Like bringing a plastic picnic knife to a sword battle."

"..."Energiewende" in Germany...primary energy use has been reduced (well, just by 10%) Most important contribution: The improved efficiency! It's the efficiency, stupid!" Not intermittent renewables backed up by coal/gas.
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"let's be honest about Germany's growing dependence on fossil gas"

Mar 26, 2019
let's be honest about Germany's growing dependence on fossil gas
You can't be honest about anything. Germany chose to close it's nukes - which threw back onto it's coal, and gas generators. Now they are in the process of retiring their coal plants.
The commission recommends a complete coal exit by 2038
Next phase is the gas plants - and on to 100% renewables. Just cuz you don't believe it can be done - does not make you right.
https://www.resil...e-goals/

Mar 27, 2019
...The commission recommends a complete coal exit by 2038...
Let's see: the members of such "commission" travel aboard fossil-fueled cars, private jets, etc., claiming sunshine&breeze unicorn energy is cheap and replaces all kind of fossil fuels(coal/oil/gas/fracking). Their level of honesty is quite questionable.

Intermittent renewables are like socialism, they fool the public and destroy economies.
German industry: "The electricity costs borne by energy-intensive industries in this country must not climb any further. Otherwise it will be impossible to produce anything in Germany at an internationally-competitive level."
https://www.thegw...o-warns/
https://www.icis....ker-ceo/

Mar 28, 2019
Let's see: the members of such "commission" travel aboard fossil-fueled cars
So what? If you had your precious unicorn fart nukes take over - they would still travel in fossil fuel cars - so same difference. Transportation is changing too Willie liar - you just don't know shit.

Mar 29, 2019
It's exactly in the Transportation Sector that can be seen clearly that solar and wind are a joke at replacing fossil fuels.
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Intermittent renewables are inherently parasites and cannot survive without a host(a fossil-fueled grid).
They only exist to steal taxpayers' money(through subsidies/tax incentives) and to favor coal/oil/gas/fracking over Hydro and carbon-free nuclear.
"If energy policy were based on reason and engineering, 97% of the solar panels / wind turbines out there wouldn't even exist."
Otherwise: "If you have interests in the coal / natural gas industry then by all accounts promote solar panels / wind turbines."
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Mar 29, 2019
It's exactly in the Transportation Sector that can be seen clearly that solar and wind are a joke
Not at all. Everyday we see the transition happening. One example - https://www.green...s.30gb66
And the transportation sector is following right along. Of course you have never heard of Tesla - or any of the other companies setting the ground work for the transition. Shame about that really. - https://www.green...s.30gf4j

Mar 31, 2019
It's exactly in the Transportation Sector that can be seen clearly that solar and wind are a joke
"When the wind stops blowing, that's the end of your electric."- Trump
Unless you have a diesel/gasoline-generator to recharge the batteries.
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...Of course you have never heard of Tesla...
"Tesla Factory Store Uses Diesel Generators to Recharge Slow-moving Model 3 Inventory"- Mar 14, 2019
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https://wattsupwi...ventory/

You can fool the public, but not the laws of physics/thermodynamics/electrochemistry and economics.
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Apr 01, 2019
When the wind stops blowing, that's the end of your electric."- Trump
Now you are quoting a scientific moron - to support your hatred of renewables. This is the genius who is going to bring back coal! Of course that is not the end of your electric - as we have storage, solar panels, hydro, geothermal, bio mass, tidal, etc. and a host of ways we are exploring to balance out the intermittency of wind and solar. Gee - just look at this one story from today - https://renewecon...s-88089/
Yeah - ra ra for your 12.5 cents Kwh nuclear unicorn farts Willie.

Apr 02, 2019
"...Renewable energy reduces the highest electric rates..."
Maybe in the Lalaland, but not in the real world.
"Germany and Britain both have heavily invested in wind power and have higher residential electricity prices than the United States—200 percent to 300 percent higher." - Mar 26, 2019
"In Britain, the price of residential electricity increased by 27 percent[16] in just a decade. Germany and Britain both have heavily invested in wind power and have higher residential electricity prices..."
https://www.insti...credits/

"Florida chooses world's largest solar + storage project to replace gas plants"
RenewEconomy again?
These green sociopaths(maniac compulsive pathological liars) are like you, believe in their own lies like beasts that eat their own vomit/feces.

Apr 02, 2019
This is the genius who is going to bring back coal!
Unlike solar panels/windmills & batteries that don't grow on trees,
coal is natural(solar energy stored millions of years ago), it's a kind of fossilized BIOMASS(100% natural, organic, gluten-free, No-GMO), it has almost no sodium, no chlorine, no "dihydrogen monoxide".
Thanks to fossil fuels, Greenpeace activists and other faux-greens are not burning whale oil, nor destroying forests, to power their ships, private jets, luxury cars.
https://pbs.twimg...Fc8c.jpg

Of course that is not the end of your electric...
Because you have cheap fracked gas.
"In REAL life, 100% renewables = 80% natural gas & 20% renewables. No wonder natural gas is the fastest growing fuel worldwide."

Apr 03, 2019
coal is natural
And the burning of coal and oil (another 'natural' product) is responsible for millions of deaths per year (provided that link to you many times.) So we need to get off fossil fuels. So we are wisely switching to renewables. That is my point. What is yours?

Apr 03, 2019
Look Willie - cheap renewables - https://cleantech...-record/
Expanding rapidly renewables - https://cleantech...5-years/
Really exciting renewables - https://renewecon...n-64292/

So why don't you show us the same kind of thing regarding nukes.

Apr 05, 2019
...So we are wisely switching to renewables...
Because you can't.
There is no human law preventing you switching to renewables,
only the laws of physics/thermodynamics/electrochemistry and economics.

Face the reality of your ''cheap"(useless) renewables:
"...140 Gigawatts of Solar and Wind Capacity Installed Globally in 2018..."
at cost of hundreds of billions of dollars and huge ecological impacts with almost nothing to show at reducing emissions.
"Global carbon emissions hit record high in 2018, International Energy Agency says"
https://www.abc.n...10941378

"Look everyone! Free electricity."
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You seem increasingly ridiculous by citing again and again CleanTechnica, RenewEconomy, and other propagandist websites with articles written by green sociopaths(maniac compulsive pathological liars) like you. LOL.

Apr 06, 2019
Because you can't
Sure you can. Germany, Denmark, Britain, Portugal, etc. are all on track to go to 100% renewables. But let's say you are right - and 100% renewables is not possible. Then what is the upper limit Willie? 70%?, 80%? 90%? Scotland is at about 70% right now - and headed to 100%. So what is your point? Let's say we can only get to 70%. That means we have to supply 30% with gas/nukes/geothermal/biomass/tidal/other. Obviously as storage comes down in price - that 70% will go up. So why do you alwasy make the perfect - the enemy of the good. Let's shoot for 70% wind and solar, and 30% from geothermal, nukes, biomass, tidal, hydro etc. Then we can work on the last 30%. You are just howling at the moon Willie.

Apr 06, 2019
The countries/states that went renewables have expensive electricity prices, strong dependence on coal/oil/gas to compensate intermittencies of wind/solar, and are failing miserably at reducing emissions.
"Germany and Britain both have heavily invested in wind power and have higher residential electricity prices than the United States—200 percent to 300 percent higher." - Mar 26, 2019
"In Britain, the price of residential electricity increased by 27 percent[16] in just a decade. Germany and Britain both have heavily invested in wind power and have higher residential electricity prices..."
https://www.insti...credits/

Wind and solar don't work satisfactorily/economically even in small-scale, worse yet in large-scale.
They only exist to steal taxpayers' money(through subsidies/tax incentives) and to serve as 'decorative facades' for the coal/oil/gas/fracking industries to face their true rivals: Hydro and carbon-free nuclear.

Apr 10, 2019
The countries/states that went renewables have expensive electricity prices
Oklahoma and Texas have a lot of renewables - and very cheap electricity - liar.

Apr 11, 2019
...Oklahoma and Texas...
Oklahoma and Texas have a lot of cheap oil/gas that need to be "greenwashed" by intermittent renewables to face carbon-free nuclear.

"Rising energy costs from adding renewables to the grid is causing poverty and lower incomes. I've been shouting about this for years."
"New Study: Poverty and Lower Incomes Directly Linked to Renewables" - Apr 8, 2019
"An empirical analysis using 2005-2015 data from 15 EU countries indicates that as more renewable energies (i.e., solar PV) are deployed, energy costs increase, household poverty risks rise, and incomes decline."
https://www.scien...18325738
https://www.thegw...ewables/

anti-nuclear = pro-fossil fuels
"House Democrats Voted for a Natural Gas Future, and Nobody Noticed" - Apr 4, 2019
https://www.paste...cki.html

Apr 14, 2019
Oklahoma and Texas have a lot of cheap oil/gas
The whole world has a lot of cheap oil and gas. You are not aware that oil and gas is bought and sold on the international market???
The existence of oil and gas in Oklahoma - has nothing to do with the reality that a high penetration of renewables - has not led to an increase in electricity costs - as your false assertion suggests.
Here is a great discussion about how you don't know what is happening in the world.
https://www.youtu...kQa1tNmE

Apr 15, 2019
...The existence of oil and gas in Oklahoma - has nothing to do with the reality that a high penetration of renewables...
Then just cite a small place(>10,000 inhabitants) that doesn't have abundant supply of cheap coal/oil/gas and that is at least 1/3 powered by solar/wind parasitizing hydro/geothermal instead of fossil fuels to compensate intermittencies, not connected to a regional fossil-fueled grid, and having affordable electricity prices.
But you CAN'T. Without lying/deceiving you can't. LOL.
The better you can do is citing Costa Rica(>90% powered by hydro), or Oklahoma(cheap fracked gas), or Scotland(connected to UK fossil-fueled grid).
You are more ridiculous liar than gskam. LOL.
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Solar and wind are "exponential" lies in order to steal hundreds of billions of dollars from taxpayers(through subsidies/tax incentives) and to favor coal/oil/gas over carbon-free nuclear energy, a crime in the face of Climate Change.

Apr 15, 2019
Then just cite a small place...
Stop repeating yourself Willie. Your demand has nothing to do with the FACT that Oklahoma has a high penetration of wind - and dirt cheap energy prices. That FACT - proves the lie to your assertion. Your senility is getting annoying.

Apr 18, 2019
Previously you cited an article "...Rooftop solar to add 2,000MW in 2019...".
"...140 Gigawatts of Solar and Wind Capacity Installed Globally in 2018..."
"...World Reaches 1,000GW of Wind and Solar..."
And you green sociopaths maniac compulsive pathological liar have nothing to show at reducing emissions and dependence on coal/oil/gas/fracking.
The best you can do is to continue citing Costa Rica(>90% powered by hydro), or Oklahoma(cheap fracked gas), or Scotland(connected to UK fossil-fueled grid),
installed-capacity instead of emission avoided, in order to continue fooling the public to steal trillions of dollars(through subsidies/tax incentives) just to favor fossil fuels over hydro and carbon-nuclear, the only two technologies proven effective at reducing emissions and displacing fossil fuels.

Apr 18, 2019
Previously you cited an article
I cite lots of articles - all giving evidence of the energy transition that is underway. Keep up Willie - your senility is annoying.
https://www.renew...04m.html
https://www.renew...030.html
https://renewecon...in-2018/

Why don't you show us some articles about nukes Willie? Oh right - cuz you can't

Apr 21, 2019
...I cite lots of articles...
Ridiculously pathetic, you have only RenewEconomy, RenewableEnergyWorld, CleanTechnica, and other unreliable sites with propagandist articles written by green sociopaths with vested interests.

"Global solar capacity surpassed 500GW in 2018"
With almost nothing to show at reducing emissions and dependence on coal/oil/gas/fracking.
https://renewecon...in-2018/

On the other side, facts(showing solar/wind as blatant fiasco, Eco-hypocritical energy solutions) are endless.
"Report: Going 100% renewable power means a lot of dirty mining" - Apr 17, 2019
https://grist.org...-mining/

Where does almost all renewable energy come from?
Not solar
Not wind
Not even hydro
It is wood
Old-fashioned wood, linked to poverty and indoor air pollution provides 70% of all renewable energy
https://pbs.twimg...du5V.png


Apr 21, 2019
Where does almost all renewable energy come from?

In states like Texas, and Oklahoma - it is from the wind. Lots of cheap wind down here Willie - you should come visit some time.
https://www.calle...7094002/
a total of 10.9 GW of wind capacity is expected to come online nationally in 2019, most of it near the end of the year. Three states — Texas, Iowa, and Illinois — will be home to more than half of the wind capacity additions for the year
How much nuclear will be coming on line this year Willie? What will the cost per Mwh be Willie? Wind is cheap....

Apr 23, 2019
...In states like Texas, and Oklahoma...
"In states like Texas, and Oklahoma" they have abundant supply of cheap oil/gas/fracking that need to be "greenwashed" by intermittent renewables.
"Qatar, Exxon Mobil to build $10 bn LNG plant in Texas" - Feb 2019
https://phys.org/...lng.html
"As oil and gas exports surge, West Texas becomes the world's "extraction colony""-Oct 2018
https://www.texas...s-surge/

"A Texas region containing four of the world's largest wind farms showed an increase in land surface temperature over nine years..."
https://climate.n...erature/

...a total of 10.9 GW of wind capacity...
Thousands of GW of installed-capacity globally of wind/solar with almost nothing to show at reducing emissions and dependence on coal/oil/gas/fracking.

RE promoters are modern "snake oil salesmen".

Apr 23, 2019
that need to be "greenwashed" by intermittent renewables
More lies from the sycophant department. FACT is that wind and solar are the cheapest new build power - which is why they are taking the world by storm - and why sycophants have to lie on the internet - to try to defend the indefensible act of stealing yet more tax payer subsidies to prop up industries that can't compete on a level playing field. https://www.phill...311.html

Apr 25, 2019
...FACT is that wind and solar are the cheapest...
FACT is that your facts don't correspond to reality.
"Unreliable Nature Of Solar And Wind Makes Electricity More Expensive, New Study Finds" - Apr 22, 2019
"Solar panels and wind turbines are making electricity significantly more expensive, a major new study by a team of economists from the University of Chicago finds."
"Last year, I was the first journalist to report that solar and wind are making electricity more expensive in the United States — and for inherently physical reasons."
"Solar and wind require that natural gas plants, hydro-electric dams, batteries or some other form of reliable power be ready at a moment's notice to start churning out electricity when the wind stops blowing and the sun stops shining..."
https://www.forbe...y-finds/

Apr 25, 2019
FACT is that your facts don't correspond to reality

Reality is a bitch Willie. Shame you can't remember your own address.
https://cleantech...gas-too/
https://renewecon...r-51265/
The dramatic increase in grid-scale solar generation has contributed to renewables supplying monthly 14-15 per cent of total generation (including rooftop solar) since last November. This is a dramatic increase in the average 10-11 per cent share this time last year
Drip drip drip Willie.

Apr 29, 2019
The dramatic increase in grid-scale solar generation has contributed...
"Yet, Xcel wants to build more solar because they get a guaranteed 7.5 percent profit on every dollar they spend on power plants, including solar panels, whether they produce electricity or not."
https://www.power...ergy.php
Solar and wind are a fraud, scams, they only exist to steal taxpayers' money(through subsidies/tax incentives) and to favor coal/oil/gas/fracking over hydro and carbon-free nuclear energy.

"Analysis - UK electricity quality drops as renewable share rises"
https://uk.reuter...20131009
"Rising electricity prices are forcing Britain's poorest to underheat their homes"
https://www.thegw...r-homes/
https://pbs.twimg...XtrJ.png

Apr 29, 2019
Renewable energy is doing just fine in Minn - thanks Willie. https://www.scien...y-goals/
Sure - you can troll the internet - and find your anti renewable tripe. Fact is that renewables are replacing coal - and senile old men like you - just can't stand it. Wonder why?

Apr 30, 2019
...Fact is that renewables are replacing coal...
True if by "renewables" you mean natural gas(methane: worse than CO2).
"In REAL life, 100% renewables = 80% natural gas & 20% renewables. No wonder natural gas is the fastest growing fuel worldwide."

"Minnesotans Can Expect 40% Increase in Electric Bill Under Renewable Energy Mandate Proposed by Governor Walz"
https://alphanews...nor-walz
"Minnesota Madness: Big Freeze Exposes Wind & Solar's Deadly Flaw – Hopeless Intermittency"
http://stoptheset...mittency
"Minnesota is blowing billions on wind power ... the result is HIGHER electricity rates and dubious CO2 reductions"
http://youtu.be/0vaIYttrL88
"Exposing the Real Costs of "Green" Energy"
https://www.power...ergy.php

Apr 30, 2019
True if by "renewables" you mean natural gas(methane: worse than CO2
Nope - I mean renewables.
One of Germany's "big four" utilities RWE has announced it will no longer invest in new coal-fired power stations, instead focusing entirely on electricity generation from renewable energy sources
The transition is going to take a while Wille. Nukes have had 70 years - and failed. You are too senile to understand that point. Now the torch passes to renewables - and we are finally seeing emissions drop - thanks to renewables.
https://renewecon...s-29574/
Even in the U.S. - coal is dropping, and renewables are increasing. https://electrek....coal-us/

May 01, 2019
... it will no longer invest in new coal-fired power stations...
Which makes Putin happier.
"Putin and Merkel share a drink in the sunshine as they discuss a new gas pipeline" - Aug 2018
http://www.dailym...eal.html
"Germany's renewable energy dreams supported by cheap Russian gas."
https://www.newsw...-1126320

Ban coal/gas and wind/solar dies.

Windmills and sails have thousands years and failed at lifting mankind out of poverty.
Solar CSP have hundreds years and failed at replacing steam engines.
Solar PV has almost the same age of carbon-free nuclear.
"The first commercial nuclear power began in 1956. The first commercial solar photovoltaic cells were sold in 1955. Claims that nuclear is old boomer technology and that solar is somehow more modern are absurd. Even if that point of comparison had any merit anyway."

The transition is going...
LOL

May 01, 2019
Ban coal/gas and wind/solar dies
No it doesn't. Show us one situation where coal and gas have been banned, and wind and solar have died.
Poor people love renewables - they are saving money. https://www.forbe...8d5b31f3

Just keep drooling in your porridge there Willie.

May 03, 2019
...Show us one situation where coal and gas have been banned...
There is no country/state stupid enough to ban simultaneously coal and gas at same time.
Ask Belgians/Germans/Californians, they are replacing carbon-free nuclear by natural gas(methane: worse than CO₂) instead of using your so cheap sunshine&breeze unicorn energy.
https://twitter.c...84299520

...Poor people love renewables - they are saving money...
Poor people hate misery.
Who loves misery is intellectual(socialist).
It's infinitely much cheaper, ecological and energy-efficient to use a clothesline than an electric dryer powered by solar panels/windmills.
https://pbs.twimg...sP0A.jpg

May 06, 2019
There is no country/state stupid enough to ban simultaneously coal and gas at same time
In other words - you made a false assertion (one of thousands you make all the time) - you got busted for making that false assertion - and you just admitted how senile you are. The transition is doing just fine thanks Willie. So here is a plan from Britain - for aggressive carbon reduction - and you notice there is no mention of nukes. Why? Cost? Senile Willie.
https://www.renew...ure.html

May 08, 2019
Britain electricity is becoming increasingly expensive thanks to penetration of intermittent renewables into the grid, it's no different from Germany, Denmark, South Australia, California, Minnesota, etc.

Intermittent renewables are like socialism, their real intention is to destroy economies, withdraw people from poverty to throw them into misery, oppression, slavery, like already happened in the Middle Ages where 100% renewable was already possible.

"Green New Deal Footprint: 100% Solar or Wind Renewable Energy Sources Require A Ludicrous Amount Of Land Space"
It has nothing to do with protecting the environment / reducing emissions. It's all about money ... from taxpayers.
https://www.c3hea...int.html
https://c3headlin...b200c-pi
https://pbs.twimg...ugGm.jpg

May 08, 2019
Britain electricity is becoming increasingly expensive thanks to penetration of intermittent renewables into the grid
Or maybe it is cuz they are having to absorb the cost of Hinkley Point. Renewables are now the cheapest form of new build electricity around the world. That is why we are so lucky in Oklahoma - 33% of power from the wind - and dirt cheap electricity prices. You are such a shitty liar Willie. And don't believe me Willie - believe BNEF.
the fact that solar and wind have become the cheapest forms of new bulk electricity supply in almost every major energy market around the world – including Australia – is well accepted
except by senile liars. https://renewecon...f-31415/

May 10, 2019
Renewables are now the cheapest form of new build electricity around the world.
RE charlatan: "solar & wind are the cheapest"
Businessman: "But ... but at night or on cloudy/snowy/windless days"
RE charlatan: "one word BATTERIES"
Businessman: "Are the expensive BATTERIES included?"
CRICKETS
Businessman: "Go to hell !!! to find another sucker !!!"
https://pbs.twimg...jb0Q.png
https://pbs.twimg...RvbN.jpg

That is why we are so lucky in Oklahoma
Indeed, you are so lucky in having abundant supply of cheap coal/oil/gas/fracking to keep you warmed at night or on cloudy/snowy/windless days.

May 10, 2019
Businessman: "Are the expensive BATTERIES included?
Engineer who understands the complexity of energy - "Well yes they are - but why don't you check out my response to the exact same bunch of lies on this thread here - https://phys.org/...ors.html

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