Plug in for renewable energy

December 5, 2016, Michigan Technological University
Plug and play solar panels provide renewable energy without hefty installation costs. Michigan Tech research shows that Americans have much to gain by embracing the technology. Credit: Michigan Technological University

A new study shows a huge US market for plug and play solar energy, with billions of dollars in retail sales and energy savings. So what's holding up widespread use?

Support for solar is vast. According to a 2015 Gallup poll, 79 percent of Americans want the US to put more emphasis on developing solar power. Most of the same people, unfortunately, can't afford to install systems in their homes. Even after federal tax credits, installing solar panels to cover all of a family's electricity needs can cost tens of thousands of dollars. For others, a home solar system isn't a consideration because they rent, or move frequently.

But Michigan Technological University's Joshua Pearce says he knows the solution: and play solar.

"Plug and play systems are affordable, easy to install, and portable," says Pearce, an associate professor of materials science and engineering and of electrical and computer engineering. "The average American consumer can buy and install them with no training."

In a study funded by the Conway Fellowship and published in Renewable Energy, Pearce and researchers Aishwarya Mundada and Emily Prehoda estimate that plug and play solar could provide 57 gigawatts of – enough to power the cities of New York and Detroit – with potentially $14.3 to $71.7 billion in sales for retailers and $13 billion a year in cost savings for energy users.

Sounds great, right? Well, there's one problem: in many parts of the United States, electrical regulations don't allow consumers to plug and play.

Small Investment, Big Return
Plug and play solar panels connect to an ordinary electrical outlet. You're still on the grid, but you've become a "prosumer"—a consumer of energy who also produces it. The panels range in wattage and are relatively affordable, with some costing just a couple hundred dollars apiece. A prosumer can start small, with just one panel, and slowly build up over time to a system that produces 1 kilowatt of energy, the equivalent of powering 10 100-watt LED light bulbs.

The panels are also portable. So, for example, if a college student buys one 250-watt plug and play panel each year for four years, reaching 1 kilowatt of energy by senior year, that student can unplug the four panels when she graduates and take them to her next destination.

Pearce estimates that plug and play systems could generate more than four times the amount of electricity generated from all of US solar last year.  

"The vast majority of this energy never leaves the home," Pearce says. "It's the equivalent of handling a hair dryer load. We're talking about almost nothing on the electrical grid – but that nothing adds up. It's an appliance with a high rate of return."

Safe, Simple—And Largely Prohibited
In the United States, a patchwork of local jurisdictions and regulations make it difficult to figure out if and where plug and play panels are allowed.

"You can buy the panels," Pearce says, "but you might not be able to plug them in, depending on your utility."

In a paper published earlier this year in Solar Energy, Pearce, Mundada and researcher Yuenyong Nilsiam reviewed all regulations in the US that would apply to plug and play systems. They found no safety or technical issues with the equipment on the market.

"This is an area where less regulation could really help renewable energy," Pearce says. "We know that the technology is safe, and the law should reflect that."

The risk, according to Pearce, is putting too much current on one circuit, so he recommends that homeowners keep their plug and play systems to a kilowatt or less. Simple precautions make this easy—if a panel is plugged into an outdoor outlet, for example, safety plugs on all other outdoor outlets on that circuit can prevent overload.

While some jurisdictions have recognized that there are no major safety or technical issues with plug and play panels, paperwork holds up the process. Potential prosumers often have to fill out complicated forms to fulfill utility requirements, and the paperwork and associated fees vary by utility. To simplify the process, Pearce and colleagues automated it, by writing open-source computer code that fills out every possible technical requirement. Utilities can easily use the free code on their websites.

"Some utilities have embraced plug and play, and some have ignored it because they think it's a pittance," Pearce says. "But plug and play solar is something that can help most Americans."

Explore further: Affordable solar: It's closer than you think

More information: Aishwarya S. Mundada et al. U.S. market for solar photovoltaic plug-and-play systems, Renewable Energy (2017). DOI: 10.1016/j.renene.2016.11.034

Aishwarya S. Mundada et al. A review of technical requirements for plug-and-play solar photovoltaic microinverter systems in the United States, Solar Energy (2016). DOI: 10.1016/j.solener.2016.06.002

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gkam
1.4 / 5 (10) Dec 05, 2016
Perhaps the author is unaware of the utility safety issues in this. If the power goes out the line is assumed to be unpowered. But if somebody has one of these putting power into the distribution line, they can kill utility workers on the line.
gkam
1.4 / 5 (10) Dec 05, 2016
I got a "one" rating for that intelligent post from a former utility engineer. What is the counter-argument? Stop hiding and let's debate.

Come out like a real person, and not just another sniper.
gkam
1.4 / 5 (10) Dec 05, 2016
Meanwhile, TEPCO is smarting over the new forecast of 40 years and $175,000,000,000 to "clean up" Fukushima. But what do you do with thousands of tons of stuff so radioactive we cannot even view it with robots?

If they really do find ways to get it away from the Water Table, what other place will be contaminated when we move it?

Who guards it for 200,000 years so terrorists do not get any of it?

http://asia.nikke...ribution
Uncle Ira
4.1 / 5 (9) Dec 05, 2016
I got a "one" rating for that intelligent post from a former utility engineer. What is the counter-argument? Stop hiding and let's debate.
Intelligent? Cher, you think it was intelligent, but that does not mean it was not really stupid. You ask if the author who is a professor at the university if he is unaware of something he did a study on.

There is non counter-argument, it was a silly thing like something a pothead would say without thinking.

Uncle Ira
4.1 / 5 (9) Dec 05, 2016
Meanwhile, TEPCO is smarting over the new forecast of 40 years and $175,000,000,000 to "clean up" Fukushima. But what do you do with thousands of tons of stuff so radioactive we cannot even view it with robots?

If they really do find ways to get it away from the Water Table, what other place will be contaminated when we move it?

Who guards it for 200,000 years so terrorists do not get any of it?

http://asia.nikke...ribution


You get another "1" for this one too Skippy. It is unintelligent too because this article is not about nuclear, coal or Jupiter satellites. It is about plug and play solar panes.
gkam
1.4 / 5 (10) Dec 05, 2016
Get to you,did it? Perhaps the description of the alternatives to renewables is too complex?

Now, regarding plug-in PV, I suggest you look up in real sources how distribution lines work.

Get back to us.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4 / 5 (8) Dec 05, 2016
got a "one" rating for that intelligent post from a former utility engineer. What is the counter-argument? Stop hiding and let's debate
The counter argument is that you were never an anything engineer. You didn't even know that BTU and kwh are the same thing. You had no idea what CFR is.
Come out like a real person, and not just another sniper
Quit hiding behind lies about who you were and what you did you coward.
gkam
1.4 / 5 (11) Dec 05, 2016
No, they are not the "same thing". A kWh is worth 3413 Btu and one is a measure of electrical power and the other the measure of heat. You can turn kW into Btu/hr with a little current and resistance, but you cannot do with heat what you can do with electricity.

Who are you? Why do you have to hide behind a cut-out and a phony name?
Uncle Ira
4.4 / 5 (11) Dec 05, 2016
@ glam-Skippy. Cher this is the reason we know you are not any kind of engineer. A REAL engineer (any kind of engineer) would never say something as stupid as,,,,,,

No, they are not the "same thing". A kWh is worth 3413 Btu and one is a measure of electrical power and the other the measure of heat.


A kWh is not a measure of any kind of power. It is a measure of work and energy. Mostly used for electricity in the U.S.of A., even here it is just a measure of energy. kW are for power, like my engines, eh?

A BTU is not a measure of "heat". It is a measure of work and energy too. Mostly used by HVAC guys in the U.S.of A., but it is just a measure of energy.

kWh and BTU's can be converted from one to the other using nothing but a pencil and paper (or calculator), They both are based on joules.

If you were a REAL mechanical engineer like I am, (or any other kind of engineer) you would know this stuffs.

gkam
1.2 / 5 (10) Dec 05, 2016
You cannot run your television on heat. Yes, you can turn kWh into Btu and back numerically, but that is just heat equivalence, not the ability to do useful work.

Go stuff some coal into your computer. Let us know what happens.

Uncle Ira
4.1 / 5 (9) Dec 05, 2016
You cannot run your television on heat. Yes, you can turn kWh into Btu and back numerically, but that is just heat equivalence, not the ability to do useful work.

Go stuff some coal into your computer. Let us know what happens.



Skippy, since you are not in the business, I would not expect you to know such things. But did you know that boilers (the things you heat water in to make steam) are rated in kW's and hp's and btu-outputs? And all three are just as correct as any other. It only depends on which convention is being used. Oh yeah, it is a true thing I am telling you.

You can buy a boiler rated in horsepower. Or BTU-output. Or rated in kW's. You can buy a motor rated in kW's or hp's and even in BTU-output. You can buy an engine rated in kW's or hp's. Units is just units.

That is why everybody here KNOWS you are not the REAL any kind of engineer,,, you never learned 1st Principles. You are not even the dilettante, you are just a new-agey moron.
gkam
1.4 / 5 (10) Dec 05, 2016
Boiler Horsepower?? OMG, you think that is secret, or some revelation? I have probably seen more boilers than you, from utility-sized to the little Kewanees you see in the background in Blues Brothers in the church basement.

It has been decades since I was standing in the cool firebox of Unit Seven at Moss Landing, or doing energy analyses for customers at PG&E.

And no, electric motors are not rated in Btu "output".
Uncle Ira
4.2 / 5 (10) Dec 05, 2016
So saying you done all those things makes up for not even knowing the basics, the 1st Principles. AGAIN?

electric motors are not rated in Btu "output".
Cher, if I was to tell a REAL engineer that a certain motor output 25,000 Btu/hr, he would know exactly what I was saying. That is the sort thing that is actually on the tests and exams that REAL engineers take in school. If you don't have a fundamental "feel" for those conversions, you are not an engineer, you are not even a pretend engineer on the physorg.

A REAL engineer would NEVER mix up power and energy while doing his bragging about what he knows. (Ain't it just a shame about the nasty little "THREE MINUTE TAKE BACK THE STUPID COMMENT" rule the nice peoples at physorg makes you go by?)

It's about the 20th time you been called on that exact same mistake, so we know you can't learn enough to ever be a REAL engineer. So why you don't put on your silly looking pointy cap with the silly stars and moons on him.
gkam
1.4 / 5 (10) Dec 05, 2016
No, "Ira", you are wrong again. Your entire world is in that boat. There is another one, a big one "out there" free of the brown water.

The difference between energy and power is the difference between gallons and gallons per minute. One is a quantity, the other is a rate.

Look it up.
Uncle Ira
4.4 / 5 (10) Dec 05, 2016
The difference between energy and power is the difference between gallons and gallons per minute. One is a quantity, the other is a rate.
And that is what you got wrong. You called kWh power, it is not power, it is a quantity of energy. Just like BTU's that you called power, it is not. It is also a quantity of energy.

Rates would be kW, hp or BTU-output (or BTU/sec, BTU/min or most common BTU/hour).

Look it up.
Don't need to look it up. I learned it in school. The REAL engineer school. But you sure do need to look him up. Here let me remind you (and everybody else) what you said,,,,

A kWh is worth 3413 Btu and one is a measure of electrical power and the other the measure of heat.
Neither are a measure of power. Both are a measure of energy or work.

Would you like quintuple down on the stupid Stupid?
gkam
1 / 5 (9) Dec 05, 2016
"Cher, if I was to tell a REAL engineer that a certain motor output 25,000 Btu/hr, he would know exactly what I was saying."
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Cheri, they would look at you sideways. Electric motors are rated by electrical terms, not those of just heat. There is a huge difference which you are unaware, since your equipment is rated in all kinds of stuff. Motors are not rated by Btu "output". They are rated in electrical horsepower, which is 746 Watts/hp.

Take a picture of the thing you say is an electric motor rated in Btu and send it to me, and I'll tell you what it is.
gkam
1.3 / 5 (10) Dec 05, 2016
"A kWh is worth 3413 Btu and one is a measure of electrical power:"
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Well, yes, I did mis-speak there, but the point was the difference between electrical power and its heat equivalent. They are qualitatively vastly different.

Go to a semiconductor engineer and start using Btu "equivalents" for electricity. Or a power company engineer or lineman. Please.

Video it.
Uncle Ira
4.6 / 5 (10) Dec 05, 2016
glam-Skippy. You can wiggle and squirm all you want, but all you are doing is making yourself look more stupid. Like your "cars can't have jet or rocket motors".

Cher, it's all about 1st Principles. If you can have them as second nature, you can not pretend to be an engineer on a place like physorg,,,, it just won't work. You been told a thousand times, by dozens of different peoples. If you don't know the very basics pretending makes you look stupid.

Cher, energy is energy. You can measure him in kWH's, or BTU's or hpH's or ergs or joules. Power is power, you can measure him in kW's, or BTU/hr or hp or ergs/sec or joules/sec. That is 1st Principles, that is what you don't know well enough to keep from saying something stupid like,,,,

A kWh is worth 3413 Btu and one is a measure of electrical power and the other the measure of heat.
That is wrong. Now you can sextuple down stupid if you would like.
Uncle Ira
4.6 / 5 (10) Dec 05, 2016
"A kWh is worth 3413 Btu and one is a measure of electrical power:"
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Well, yes, I did mis-speak there, but the point was the difference between electrical power and its heat equivalent.
See? You still don't get it. Neither are a measure of power (any kind of power). Both are measures of energy. That's it.

They are qualitatively vastly different.
That is gobbledygook. They are both measures of one physical property, just one, energy (or work)..
TheGhostofOtto1923
4 / 5 (8) Dec 06, 2016
Well, yes, I did mis-speak there, but the point was the difference between electrical power and blah
You didn't misspeak you exposed yourself again.
An engineer would never slip up and say power when he was discussing energy, no more than he would use units of weight when discussing mass
george kamburoff has been pretending to be an engr ever since he got here. The evidence he has shared indicates that he has done this to get many jobs, and has lost them all in short order because he is simply not very talented at pretending.

George doesn't even have an undergrad degree.

Who would think they could lie and pretend like this and get away with it on a site full of engrs and scientists? Someone very stupid or very sick, is who. George has proven himself to be both.

He convinces himself he is smart enough to trick pros into giving him jobs he is not qualified for. In his twisted mind this means he is more qualified than they.

This is how we know he's a psychopath.
gkam
1 / 5 (9) Dec 06, 2016
Arthur, you can convert heat content, but I dare you to take Btus and drive an electric motor. Taking the heat equivalent of a high-quality fuel like electricity is like thinking the outside of a woman is all there is, no person inside. You have discarded the very quality which gives us its value.

If that is your stance, you have not worked with it.
gkam
1.3 / 5 (10) Dec 06, 2016
Arthur, all of us have had those conversions in science. But 3413 Btu of heat is not going to power my computer or my EV. How dare you "forget" the value of reactance, the effects of electric and magnetic fields, radio, television, remote control, the wonder of action at a distance.

Please get over the crude "Equivalents".
gkam
1.2 / 5 (9) Dec 06, 2016
Equivalents? Gosh, why don't you mechanical "engineers" just rate everything by weight?

It's all the same, . . right?
gkam
1.3 / 5 (10) Dec 06, 2016
Sorry, but mechanical engineers are so 18th-20th Century. The world is electric now.
gkam
1.4 / 5 (10) Dec 06, 2016
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.9 / 5 (7) Dec 06, 2016
Arthur, all of us have had those conversions in science. But 3413 Btu of heat is not going to power my computer or my EV. How dare you "forget" the value of reactance
You don't have EV or PV. How dare you continue to lie about it?
Sorry, but mechanical engineers are so 18th-20th Century. The world is electric now
So now we know that george kamburoff doesn't know what an ME is.

Carrier is moving to Mexico - who needs them?

WHAT an idiot.
Uncle Ira
4 / 5 (8) Dec 06, 2016
@ glam-Skippy. How you are Cher? I am good me and doing my engineer stuffs. Cher why you don't think about what you write a little longer so you don't get a drubbin' by the three-min-take-back-the-silly-comment rule the nice peoples at physorg put in for peoples like you?

@ Arthur-Skippy. How you are too Cher? I am good and always have the good time when I can fool around with glam-Skippy. If you just want to have fun with him that is the one thing, but if you ever want to try to make him see how goofy he is being, well Cher, that is just a lost cause.

But thanks for trying. Don't feel bad, a lot of really smart Skippys here have tried to help glam-Skippy but he has a mental conditions that won't let anybody help him. He'll probably just start calling you the anonymous sniper who is afraid because he REAL (stupid).
gkam
1.2 / 5 (9) Dec 06, 2016
Arthur, I know what mechanical engineers do, I had some working for me at the foundry. My wife still does work for one.

Your take on the discussion was too shallow to discuss. If you are unaware of quality, you should be stuck with a drafting board. Or a coal-powered cell phone.

gkam
1.3 / 5 (9) Dec 06, 2016
Gee, folks, this is why PG&E had me teach their new engineers how it all really works, and why EPRI had me go nationwide for several years teaching it to veteran utility engineers.
Uncle Ira
4.1 / 5 (9) Dec 06, 2016
Arthur, I know what mechanical engineers do, I had some working for me at the foundry.
They were working "for" you, eh Cher? glam-Skippy you are more fun than a barrel full of three stooges.

Your take on the discussion was too shallow to discuss. If you are unaware of quality, you should be stuck with a drafting board.
Does that mean he is just another goober who can't know what the REAL glam-Skippy knows?

@ Arthur-Skippy. See? I told you. He is the Electronics Engineer, the Electrical Engineer, the Nuclear Engineer, Semiconductor Engineer, the Foundry Engineer, the Environmental Engineer, the Industrial Engineer, the Materials Research Engineer, the Robotics Engineer, Cow-Poo Power Engineer, and I even heard it from a good source that he was the Regional Chicken Farm Inspector Engineer. Choot, he has been every kind of engineer there is except the P.E. engineer (and if he knew what that was he'd try to claim that one too.)

gkam
1.3 / 5 (8) Dec 06, 2016
Show us your degree, Mister "Engineer". You saw mine, as well as the Master's Thesis. I want to see yours.

You don't have one, you are just another silly boy online.

You also saw my name and picture on three military websites, my study and report for NASA, and other proof, but you have NONE. You are just another sniper like otto.

You even hide, SCARED of real folk.
Uncle Ira
4 / 5 (8) Dec 06, 2016
Gee, folks, this is why PG&E had me teach their new engineers how it all really works, and why EPRI had me go nationwide for several years teaching it to veteran utility engineers.


Tell us about how you taught 33,000 engineers all the stuff they did not learn in engineering school again. That was a good one too. College professors don't have that many different students in their whole career teaching.

You would think that after teaching 33,000 engineers all the stuff they did not learn in engineering school that everybody on the interweb would be talking about him, like a household name, eh? He is famous only on the physorg, that's it. And he is only famous here for being really goofy.
gkam
1 / 5 (8) Dec 06, 2016
Sorry,"Ira", or whoever you really are, but it was cool. I got to teach stufff I figured out by myself, not having had engineering in college. My BS is in Industrial Technology. We had a lot of thermodynamics in the Prime Movers course.

Want me to send you some real comments on the original forms from my students? I taught thinking and understanding, not what page to look up some number. Sorry about you engineers who got it in school.
Uncle Ira
4.1 / 5 (9) Dec 06, 2016
Sorry,"Ira", or whoever you really are,
I really am Ira.

I got to teach stufff I figured out by myself, not having had engineering in college. My BS is in Industrial Technology.
So you got the B.S. in Industrial Technology but you did not have engineering in college. Well Cher, that one gets you another B.S. here on the physorg. No engineering in college but you got the degree in Industrial Technology. How that works? What does B.S. stand for in your college? Bull Poo?

Want me to send you some real comments on the original forms from my students?

Already seen them. It was a real hoot, we are still having GREAT BIG FUN with those. Maybe Otto-Skippy will give them a reprise, eh?
Captain Stumpy
4 / 5 (8) Dec 06, 2016
@Arthur_McBride
once again you are showing your lack of any sort of formal engineering or training
welcome to phys.org

as Ira noted, you're argument is falling on deaf ears with regard to "g" - no one can tell him anything about any topic as he is the most educated multiple-job holder on the internet [hyperbole/satire/sarcasm]

Keep up the great work though!

Thanks

.

.

@STOLEN VALOR LIAR-kam
You even hide, SCARED of real folk
LOL
you should lay off the MJ or whatever psychotropic you're abusing now...

no, Ira is not "hiding" - I know where he lives, and it is a nice place in a beautiful community

just because he doesn't allow any random sociopath to know his location by stupidly publishing his name and address on-line doesn't mean he is "hiding" from anyone

besides, that is your argument for me because i choose to be self-sufficient (etc), so it won't affect Ira... those Cajun's are too laid back to be riled by that argument
gkam
1.3 / 5 (8) Dec 06, 2016
Renewable energy.

Notice this thread is not about 9,000 hp clattering, stinking, polluting diesel engines? Not about hiding in the woods and using phony names?

Now, about running your computer on diesel, . . . . after all it's all "equivalent" on a Btu basis.

TheGhostofOtto1923
3.9 / 5 (7) Dec 06, 2016
Ahaahaaaaaa
Gee, folks, this is why PG&E had me teach their new engineers how it all really works
Well flight attendants teach passengers how to use their lap restraints but none of THEM are flight restraint engrs now are they?

They deliver instructions prepared by real engrs, just like you. But unlike you, most of them dont get fired after a few months.

My god youre stupid.
gkam
1.4 / 5 (8) Dec 06, 2016
When we were using 0.5 to 3 MeV electron beams to make wire for spacecraft and heat-shrink tubing, I never thought to ask if we could use coal instead of electricity in the GE 2,000 KVP Electron Beam Generator.

I should have done so, the GE 2,000 KVP Electron Beam Generator was the topic of my thesis to get the Bachelor of Science in Industrial Tech.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4 / 5 (8) Dec 06, 2016
Notice this thread is not about 9,000 hp clattering, stinking, polluting diesel engines? Not about hiding in the woods and using phony names?
No its about you lying about being an engr and having EV and PV.

Again.

Which is why you REALLY ought to be banned you fucking cretin.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.9 / 5 (7) Dec 06, 2016
the GE 2,000 KVP Electron Beam Generator was the topic of my thesis to get the Bachelor of Science in Industrial Tech
Lie. Again. People dont get real MS degrees without undergrad degrees. They can however buy honorary degrees which are worthless. Which is what you did in order to try to convince people that the bullshit you spout was true.
I got to teach stufff I figured out by myself
Yah. Which is why they FIRED you.

Who do you think youre fooling georgie? Besides yourself that is?
Uncle Ira
4.1 / 5 (9) Dec 06, 2016
When we were using 0.5 to 3 MeV electron beams to make wire for spacecraft and heat-shrink tubing, I never thought to ask if we could use coal instead of electricity in the GE 2,000 KVP Electron Beam Generator.


What it was you were doing Cher? Making your wires and shrink tubes down at the hospital? This one ought be a good one.
gkam
1.5 / 5 (8) Dec 06, 2016
What really gets to otto and Ira and Rumpy is I am real, and proved all the assertions, and they are all still too scared to identify themselves. Cowardice takes many forms, and we see some of them here.

Now, we started out this thread by me reminding you it may not be a good idea to have these plug-ins in case of a power outage, because they backfeed the distribution line, and can kill utility workers.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.3 / 5 (6) Dec 06, 2016
Now, we started out this thread by me reminding you it may not be a good idea to have these plug-ins in case of a power outage, because they backfeed the distribution line, and can kill utility workers
-And let me remind you to take your meds and smoke your pot because you dopers do tend to forget a lot dont you? But I guess thats what wives are for.
Captain Stumpy
4 / 5 (8) Dec 06, 2016
@STOLEN VALOR LIAR-kam
they are all still too scared to identify themselves
i am not anonymous - just ask Otto
proved all the assertions
no, you didn't
and i absolutely can prove you are both a chronic liar, that you claim a combat "V" without the legally requisite paperwork, that you denigrate real soldiers and much more, like threatening legal action because we can prove you're a liar: http://phys.org/n...ity.html

http://phys.org/n...ent.html

http://phys.org/n...und.html

http://phys.org/n...gas.html

i can also prove you don't know squat about radio's even though you were a radio repairman in the military
http://phys.org/n...sed.html

i don't make claims i can't support with evidence like you do

so, per your own request... well, you know
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.3 / 5 (6) Dec 07, 2016
i am not anonymous - just ask Otto
Indeed I do have a nice photo of you flipping me the bird but I can't find it alas
gkam
1.4 / 5 (8) Dec 07, 2016
We now have over 13,000 miles on the EV. We have saved over 650 gallons of high quality California Gasoline. And three oil changes with filter. And no leaks. And no tune-ups, points and plugs, whatever.

The technology which gives us EVs has also given us solar PV to charge them, cutting the Koch Brothers out of the loop entirely.

I love it.

You will, too.

As for Rumpy and his fixation on me, he saw my Air Force performance reviews, and the one which mentions the "perfect airman". It is what gets to him. not being real himself.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.7 / 5 (6) Dec 08, 2016
As for Rumpy and his fixation on me, he saw my Air Force performance reviews, and the one which mentions the "perfect airman"
'Kick what's below lick what's above' - psychopath mantra. Too bad george kamburoff the mundane psychopath never had a good follow-through (12++ jobs lost = failed career)

gkam
1.3 / 5 (7) Dec 08, 2016

I invested in PV and an EV, and they have not, yet they continually ignore the topic of the threads to take shots. Look me up,. I am George Kamburoff. Ask them who they are.

Meanwhile some of us are doing what we should, while the others are here for what they call their "games". It is the lowest form of artificial life. If they had real ones, they would be in military websites, in NASA catalogs of studies and reports, and announcements of my seminars, like real folk. But they apparently live at home, . . still.
Uncle Ira
3.9 / 5 (7) Dec 08, 2016
I am George Kamburoff.


https://www.youtu...a8QgGGkc

But they apparently live at home, . . still.


What's the matter with living at home? Where you live? In a box behind the Starbucks?
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.2 / 5 (5) Dec 08, 2016
invested in PV and an EV, and they have not, yet they continually ignore the topic of the threads to take shots. Look me up,. I am George Kamburoff
When I Google george kamburoff all I get is all this stuff about a lying cheating psychopath with a failed career, and you confirming it over and over again. I wonder how come?

Maybe you should sue yourself for misrepresentation -?
gkam
1.6 / 5 (7) Dec 08, 2016
Renewable energy is NOT squatting on a filthy boat with a 9,000 horsepower diesel super-polluter ICE.

Renewable energy can be yours, too, if you had the guts to put it in. But I guess it is easier to be an anonymous sniper here, . . . right?

Just having looked, I see we have produced 6.67 MW of electricity worth about $2k in power costs, but since we use it to replace gasoline as well, the real savings are about $1100 for the house and $1650 for the car for eleven months, not including oil and other maintenance we do not need.

So, the savings will be about $3,000/year at present rates. I put this here so you can figure out if you can do it and save money as well as being a Good Citizen.
Uncle Ira
3.9 / 5 (7) Dec 08, 2016
Just having looked, I see I am still having a lot of trouble using the correct units and terms to do my lying with.


Well I can't argue with that glam-Skippy. You nailed it. Again.
Captain Stumpy
3.9 / 5 (7) Dec 08, 2016
@STOLEN VALOR LIAR-kam
but since we use it to replace gasoline as well
and (yet) again, no, you do not
you already claimed, repeatedly, about your EV
Ours gets charged at night.
http://phys.org/n...gas.html

i hate to keep repeating this to you but: solar panels do not charge at night
you would think an engineer would know this one - even an idiot who only worked in the engineering dept of a power company should know this

especially since your own company stated you were wrong about your EV setup and, might i add, that i was correct all along! the proof is here, in your own PG&E documentation:
http://www.pge.co...options/

http://www.pge.co...S_EV.pdf

http://www.seia.o...reements

1 reason people are scientifically illiterate is because idiots like you claiming authority while spreading false claims
gkam
1.3 / 5 (7) Dec 08, 2016
I'm real, Rumpy, get over it. You alleged I did not serve in the AF until I sent you the front page of the newspaper of the Air Force Flight Test Center with my name and picture on it. Do we have to go through the Igloo White stuff? The reports and studies for NASA? The Power Quality courses for the utility industry? You even saw where the Avionics Officer used the term "perfect airman" for me. Do I have to rub your nose in it?

Get over it.
Captain Stumpy
3.9 / 5 (7) Dec 08, 2016
@STOLEN VALOR LIAR-kam
I'm real
irrelevant OT bullsh*t
You alleged I did not serve in the AF
i have never made this claim, you delusional geriatric alzheimers pothead
Do we have to go through the Igloo White stuff?
the rest of your post is not only irrelevant, but also proven to be bullsh*t in various threads already

you wanted to talk EV & PV, remember?
I invested in PV and an EV
i responded with facts

not made up sh*t about what i thought the world should be like, nor delusional rantings from a narcissistic MJ induced delusion

facts

from your own PG&E and information

so unless you can refute that with evidence, i will simply retire from the conversation and report your posts as being irrelevant, OT and lies per your own request to "clean up the site"...
Do I have to rub your nose in it?
you still want to try that?
you're already proven to be a chronic liar on chronic

perhaps you should sue as threatened?
LOL

gkam
1.6 / 5 (7) Dec 08, 2016
Our little system has by now generated 6,667 kWh in the eleven months we have had it. The house and car seem to use similar amounts over the year, but the car power is more valuable.

It seems our investment of $29,400 for the car and the PV system has paid for house power and horsepower (transportation) both, in advance, for decades. This year it will be $3,000 in savings for the two of us, but the important part was being clean and reducing our monthly bills.

The point is it is now practical for many of us to go clean and clean up financially at the same time, . . and get the potential ability to be independent if necessary, but able to connect with the grid for other benefits.
Uncle Ira
3.9 / 5 (7) Dec 08, 2016
Our little system has by now generated 6,667 kWh in the eleven months we have had it.
20 kWh per day, every single day, rain or shine, summer and winter? Calling Bull-poo again Skippy. You do remember telling what the capacity of your pretend solar panes are, don't you Cher?

What? You think on an interweb place devoted to science and engineering nobody would know that the REAL 24 hour output of those things over a year is nowhere near the rated max output? MAYBE, but only maybe 15%. Especially way up on the 38th parallel.

In case nobody has told you, you really are as dumb as a cypress stump. You really can not help yourself, eh?
gkam
1.6 / 5 (7) Dec 08, 2016
Time for more renewables:

Boston Globe
"Staff at the Pilgrim Nuclear Power Station appear to be "overwhelmed" and struggling to improve performance at the facility, which has a poor safety record and is set to close in less than three years, according to an internal memo from a federal regulator made public on Tuesday.

The memo, authored by Donald Jackson of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, indicated that inspectors had found a "safety culture problem'' during their ongoing review, along with problems with maintenance, engineering, and the reliability of equipment at the 44-year-old plant.

Jackson's memo was inadvertently sent to an environmental advocate, who forwarded the message to the Cape Cod Times."

BTW, for those who do not understand how the systems work, Ira, that number is from the inverter, which is logged for each panel and sent to me in real time. But I want to see how you work yourself up in a lather trying to prove I am wrong.

We are waiting.
gkam
1.6 / 5 (7) Dec 08, 2016
"20 kWh per day, every single day, rain or shine, summer and winter?"
-------------------------------------

Unaware of seasonal sunlight? The tilt of the Earth? As I explained before, (please listen this time), that is the cumulative quantity produced in eleven months, 6.667MW.

We generate more than we use in the Summer, and get credit for it in meter readings. In the other months, we use up that amount. It is like "banking" power in the grid or paying for it in advance, a concept foreign to shallow thinkers.

We just settled up for 11 months of PV generation and 12 months of car use for less than ten dollars for the year for both. That includes meter charges and other add-ons, as well.

Show me how it can't work This is becoming hilarious.
gkam
1.3 / 5 (7) Dec 08, 2016
Not even a mechanical engineer would make the really stupid mistake of assuming constant power from a year of PV operation.
Uncle Ira
3.9 / 5 (7) Dec 08, 2016
Unaware of seasonal sunlight?
Non, but you were hoping we were. I wonder what I was referring to when I mention the summer and the winter too?

The tilt of the Earth?
You should have thought of the before you,,,,, I wonder what I was referring to when I mention the 38 parallel, eh?

that is the cumulative quantity produced in eleven months, 6.667MW.
And that is 20 kWh every day for eleven months. Sunny days, cloudy days, winter days and summer days. Your little system can not do that Cher. It can not do even half of that. You realize that all your goofy postums from since you been here are still here, don't you Skippy?

Not even a mechanical engineer would make the really stupid mistake of assuming constant power from a year of PV operation.
Exactiment Cher. That is how I knew you was putting out more Bull-Poo with your 6,667 MWh in eleven months.

You are a remarkable moron, even for an idiot.
gkam
1.6 / 5 (7) Dec 08, 2016
Ira, you do not get it: Those are readings, not suppositions, like yours. Actual, logged, readings of production by day and month for the array.

Your silly attempts to demean it are ridiculous. Yeah, in eleven months, we have produced 6,667 kWh. And it is not the end of the story, because next year we will do the same, and for decades after that.

What will you be doing? Buying Diesel from the Koch Brothers?
gkam
1.6 / 5 (7) Dec 08, 2016
Yup, 888 kWh produced in July, only 361 kWh for November, a month of clouds and rain.

They promised the system would produce 90% of the power needed by the house, but does all of it and the car, too.
Uncle Ira
3.9 / 5 (7) Dec 08, 2016
You are lying glam-Skippy. There is no way you can cover it up now. And it is such a stupid mistake/lie, all you are doing is calling more attention to it and the fact that you are lying (really bad lying too.)
gkam
1.6 / 5 (7) Dec 08, 2016
Why would you assume I would lie? Is that what you would do?

Call a local solar company and ask them to run the numbers for 4.59kW rooftop array in Northern California.

Are you going to tell them they are liars, too? Do it, and get back to us.

I can hardly wait.
Uncle Ira
4.4 / 5 (7) Dec 08, 2016
Why would you assume I would lie?
Because you do. Only about a couple of dozens of different Skippys have caught you at about a couple of dozens hundreds of times.

Call a local solar company and ask them to run the numbers for 4.59kW rooftop array in Northern California.
I don't need to Skippy. Much to your angst,,,,, there are lots of peoples here on the physorg that has been trying to tell you that for a couple years now.

Are you going to tell them they are liars, too?
If they try to tell me that at the end of a year, I will have produced 6,667 kWh with him in northern California, yeah, I will tell him he is full of Bull-Poo too like you are.

I can hardly wait.
It's your lie, you can wait if you want to, or you can just move on to the next lie.
gkam
1.3 / 5 (7) Dec 08, 2016
Once again, your big mouth got you in trouble. Call them up, toots. Don't be afraid.

You never forgave me for being real, did you? You put all your credibility on thinking and accusing me of being a liar because you are. But I really was Airman of the Month of the Air Force Flight Test Center. I really did work on rocket planes at Edwards. I did help put together deploy and operate the electronic battlefield in the Vietnam War. I did those studies and reports for NASA. I wrote the major parts and taught the Power Quality Course for utility engineers nationwide for the Electric Power Research Institute. Yeah, and I made ICs as a Test Engineer for National, and was Plant Engineer for a large foundry, as well as other stuff

I bring this up because those are the things of which you have accused me of lying which I have proven.

Seems your attempt to disparage my character has only betrayed your own.
Uncle Ira
4.3 / 5 (6) Dec 08, 2016
You put all your credibility on thinking and accusing me of being a liar because you are. But I really was Airman of the Month of the Air Force Flight Test Center. I really did work on rocket planes at Edwards. I did help put together deploy and operate the electronic battlefield in the Vietnam War. I did those studies and reports for NASA. I wrote the major parts and taught the Power Quality Course for utility engineers nationwide for the Electric Power Research Institute. Yeah, and I made ICs as a Test Engineer for National, and was Plant Engineer for a large foundry, as well as other stuff


You left out Cow-Poo Energy Engineer, Robot Trouble-Shooting Engineer, Nuclear Plant Safety Inspecting Engineer, Inside the Coal Plant Boiler Engineer, Environmental Engineer, GE Particle Beam Engineer, and my personal favorite Chief Chicken Farm Inspecting Engineer.

Oh yeah, I almost forget. And Number One Tuba Playing Engineer for the High School Band.
gkam
1.3 / 5 (7) Dec 08, 2016
I could do a screen grab of the SolarEdge Dashboard of our system operation, but you would lie about it, like you did with my Master's Thesis and Diploma.

But anyone else can go ask a solar outfit and get the real numbers, . . . and possibly the idea it may be time to get clean and efficient.
gkam
1.3 / 5 (7) Dec 08, 2016
Thanks. When you got to the tuba, I started laughing for the first time since the election. I had to walk out hunched over in blissful giggles.

It was (French) Horn.
Estevan57
4.8 / 5 (5) Dec 08, 2016
Gkam, for once you could actually DO something. Take the pic, put it as your picture on your profile page. Even you could figure out how to do that. Maybe.

At least it would have happened in the last 40 years...

"Oh yeah, I almost forget. And Number One Tuba Playing Engineer for the High School Band."
- Ira Good one, Ira.

Do it gkam! (your real name)? Be the pride of Chowchilla once again.
gkam
1.4 / 5 (7) Dec 08, 2016
Cool, huh? Yeah, I got to do studies on GE Mark I and II SRV operation, studies and reports for NASA, work on rocket planes, do the Electronic Battlefield, all that stuff. Until now, I thought it was just another interesting life. You make it sound special.

In fact, I would get claustrophobic if I thought I would be stuck in any career field. In any field there is too much of doing the same thing over and over. It's too narrow.

Having to get in a race you have never run while it is being run is challenging and exhilarating, if you pull it off.

ps - Yeah, I played the horn in college as well and Drum and Bugle Corps in the service.
Uncle Ira
4.4 / 5 (7) Dec 08, 2016
@ Estevan-Skippy. How you are? I am good, not too busy so I can fool around with the glam-Skippy some.

About this Cher,,,,,,
Gkam, for once you could actually DO something. Take the pic, put it as your picture on your profile page.
He already tried to do that. I want to tell you the truth I never had so much fun as I had with that one. You know how he is "REAL" and real stupid with his address and stuffs? Well this couyon, he sends me a picture of his solar panes. But Google-Earth-Skippy shows his house, eh? And he shows his neighbor's house too. glam-Skippy either lied and claimed his neighbor's solar panes was his,,,, or glam-Skippy put his panes on his neighbor's roof. The picture I got had the solar panes, but the picture is of the neighbor's roof.

Even you could figure out how to do that. Maybe.
Well I for one Skippy hopes he tries to figure it out some more because it sure was GREAT BIG FUN the last time.
gkam
1 / 5 (6) Dec 08, 2016
Oh,my, I suppose you never saw how that roofline in the background is connected to the one in the foreground? It is a second-story addition, panels facing South. The four panels in the foreground and twelve in the background augment the two on the other side of the lower roof.

You are so easy to fool, even you can do it.

And google earth has not updated its pictures of my house since we put them in, 1/28/2016. Check the Google date (10/30/2015), and get embarrassed at your incompetence.
Estevan57
4.3 / 5 (6) Dec 08, 2016
I am fine thanks, and you? I did the lookup for fun and came to the same conclusion. It doesn't matter anyway. I always have to resist taunting him with his own self-grandeur. His skill for making mountains out of molehills is unsurpassed. Fix radio = work on rocket planes? Not hardly. Perhaps he needed to travel more in his lifetime...

It is greatly amusing to see you explain physics principles with the Cajun patois, especially to such a "real" person/Engineer. Keep up the fun. Sometimes I have my wife read your posts aloud just to hear the accent for fun.

I wish the site had a Shut up button that would cut someone off when they talk about themselves to an open comment section.
Stay safe on the River. Peace.
gkam
1 / 5 (6) Dec 08, 2016
Yeah, look up the NF-104A. I worked on both of them. We had three,but Yeager wrecked one, as seen in "Right Stuff". I did maintenance, not design or flying, electronic maintenance, my job. I liked it because everything which flew had comm. We got into every kind of flying machine available back then at Edwards.

Ridicule all you want, those were exciting days of accomplishment. No manned aircraft has flown as fast as the ones we had back in the 1960's at Edwards AFB. None.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.2 / 5 (5) Dec 09, 2016
could do a screen grab of the SolarEdge Dashboard of our system operation, but you would lie about it, like you did with my Master's Thesis and Dipl
Your store-bought MS is worthless because you have proven that you are ignorant of the govt regs required to design such a project. Among all the other things you are ignorant of.

This is why you couldn't use it to get that univ job you applied for. Of course you blamed the Admin who interviewed you. That goober was too dumb to realize he was in the presence of greatness just like all the genuine pros and regular people here who expose your pathology daily.
No manned aircraft has flown as fast as the ones we had
This thread is not about the fast planes you read about in popsci you posturing moron.
gkam
1 / 5 (6) Dec 09, 2016
Ask Rumpy for copies of my performance reports in the Air Force. I want to rub your nose in it.
gkam
1 / 5 (6) Dec 09, 2016
Once again, those who use these plug-in devices can wind up killing utility workers on the line by backfeeding the circuit. It is important to understand how the systems work.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.2 / 5 (5) Dec 09, 2016
Cool, huh? Yeah, I got to do studies on GE Mark I and II SRV operation, studies and reports for NASA, work on rocket planes, do the Electronic Battlefield, all that stuff. Until now, I thought it was just another interesting life. You make it sound special
George kamburoff the lying cheating psychopath doesn't realize that when he brags about the 15++ fascinating positions he has held, it is obvious to the world that he lost ALL of them because he couldn't DO them.

"Oh yeah, I've got this great job as an engr even though I'm not an engr, but I'm going to leave it after 6 months to get something even more interesting. And I think I'll do it over and over and over again."

-The only person here who is stupid enough to fall for that sort of bullshit is you.

George, to you're bragging about being a FAILURE. Why don't you realize that?

Because you're sick.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.2 / 5 (5) Dec 09, 2016
Once again, those who use these plug-in devices can wind up killing utility workers on the line by backfeeding the circuit. It is important to understand how the systems work
Once again you're implying that an engg prof doesn't know basic govt safety regs. This only reveals how ignorant of those regs YOU are.

You don't even know engg basics. But I'm sure you've heard this all your life from all the goobers who fired you.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.2 / 5 (5) Dec 09, 2016
Here you go little georgie OSHA 101

"Be sure that the main circuit breaker is OFF and locked out prior to starting any generator. This will prevent inadvertent energization of power lines from back feed electrical energy from generators and help protect utility line workers from possible electrocution."
gkam
1 / 5 (6) Dec 09, 2016
Well, golleeee, you proved me right.

Good work.

And how many of the goobers who have these plugged in will go out and pull their main or the correct circuit breaker? How many will even know which one it is? How many will electrocute themselves trying?
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.2 / 5 (5) Dec 09, 2016
They all know and follow OSHA regs. You dont. You don't understand that engg profs who write papers also know OSHA.

You wrote a paper without knowing CFR. You're a clown who wrote a cartoon paper.

Why don't you do a little dance for us georgie? Do you have one of those clown horns on your pretend EV?
https://youtu.be/x3SxEOvAOEg
Uncle Ira
4.2 / 5 (5) Dec 09, 2016
Well, golleeee, you proved me right.
Well, golleeee for you too Cher. I would think that a person who is the Electrical, Nuclear, Radio, Electronic, Industrial, Cow-Poo Power, Environmental, Robotics, Semiconductor, NASA, Materials, and my personal favorite Senior Chicken Plant Inspecting ENGINEER all rolled into one could say something smarter about this article than,,,,,
But if somebody has one of these putting power into the distribution line, they can kill utility workers on the line.
I wonder if UL or CE might think about that before they go on the market? How hard will it be to include a little $2 circuit to detect whether the power is on or not, and not feed the circuit if it is off?
gkam
Dec 09, 2016
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TheGhostofOtto1923
4.3 / 5 (6) Dec 09, 2016
Hey little monkey man

"It is clear that the AC disconnect switch is not necessary technically and thus imposing it is an economic barrier to grid entry for solar PV systems with UL (Underwriters Laboratories) certified microinverters."

I included the long version of UL for you.
Uncle Ira
4.3 / 5 (6) Dec 09, 2016
Envy will get you nowhere. You can already see that.


Says the Skippy who put "capacitive sensors" into his pretend electric car to tell him when he was about to bump into somebody, eh?
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.2 / 5 (5) Dec 09, 2016
Says the Skippy who put "capacitive sensors" into his pretend electric car to tell him when he was about to bump into somebody, eh?
-So he's an AI Car Driver Engineer as well? I did not know that.

So hard not to be envious.
gkam
Dec 09, 2016
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gkam
1 / 5 (6) Dec 09, 2016
You silly fools are hooked now. You cannot let me post anything without revealing your strange fixation on "getting even". Enslaved. Mired in envy and frustration.

You have trapped yourselves, and are displaying your real character to all of us. That's probably why you hide your identities.

Meanwhile, we have not gotten much PV power the last few days. Good thing we are still connected to the grid for mutual support. It is so much better than trying to go it alone at first.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.2 / 5 (5) Dec 09, 2016
Go buy one of those units. I want to see what happens
Well if you were an engr you would read the report and know what happens. But as you are a pretend one all you can do is pretend that you know.

Games little georgie? You've been playing them all your life.
You silly fools are hooked now. You cannot let me post anything without revealing your strange fixation
Ahaahaaaaa you revealed that you don't know OSHA or CFR.

So when people reveal that the real george kamburoff is a compulsive liar and a phony, it's a fixation.

It's really just fun you toad.
gkam
1 / 5 (6) Dec 09, 2016
See the post above.

Happy dreams.
Uncle Ira
4.3 / 5 (6) Dec 09, 2016
Go buy one of those units.
Why I would do that? I am pretty sure a "capacitive sensor" is not going to do a very good job of telling me I am about to bump into somebody.

I want to see what happens.
You are the one who claims he has them on his pretend electric car. So maybe you have already seen that a "capacitive sensor" does not work to good for telling you that somebody is about to get bumped into, eh?
gkam
Dec 09, 2016
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