New method for converting solar energy into electrical power using photo-bioelectrochemical cells

January 19, 2016
Credit: Prof. Itamar Willner

A new paradigm for the development of photo-bioelectrochemical cells has been reported in the journal Nature Energy by researchers from The Hebrew University of Jerusalem, in Israel, and the University of Bochum, in Germany.

The design of photo-bioelectrochemical cells based on native photosynthetic reaction is attracting substantial recent interest as a means for the conversion of solar light energy into .

In the natural photosynthetic apparatus, photosynthetic reaction is coupled to biocatalytic transformations leading to CO2 fixation and O2 evolution. Although significant progress has been achieved in the integration of native photosystems with electrodes for light-to-electrical energy conversion, the conjugation of the photosystems to enzymes to yield photo-bioelectrocatalytic solar cells remains a challenge.

Now, researchers report on the construction of photo-bioelectrochemical cells using the native photosynthetic reaction and the enzymes glucose oxidase or glucose dehydrogenase. The system consists of modified integrated electrodes that include the natural photosynthetic reaction center, known as photosystem I, conjugated to the enzymes glucose oxidase or glucose dehydrogenase. The native proteins are electrically wired by means of chemical electron transfer mediators. Photoirradiation of the electrodes leads to the generation of electrical power, while oxidizing the glucose substrate acting as a fuel.

The system provides a model to harness the native photosynthetic apparatus for the conversion of solar light energy into electrical power, using biomass substrates as fuels. In contrast to numerous bioelectrochemical systems using electrical power to oxidize , the present study introduces the implementation of the native photosystem to produce electrical power using light as the energy source.

The novel photo-bioelectrochemical cells point to a new method to photonically drive biocatalytic fuel cells while generating electrical power from solar energy.

Prof. Itamar Willner, at the Hebrew University's Institute of Chemistry, said: "The study results provide a general approach to assemble photo-bioelectrochemical solar cells with wide implications for solar conversion, bioelectrocatalysis and sensing."

The research was headed at the Hebrew University by Prof. Itamar Willner, Institute of Chemistry and Minerva Center for Biohybrid Complex Systems, in collaboration with Prof. Rachel Nechushtai, Alexander Silberman Institute of Life Sciences and Minerva Center for Biohybrid Complex Systems; and at Ruhr-Universität Bochum, by Prof. Wolfgang Schuhmann, Analytical Chemistry, Center for Electrochemical Sciences (CES).

Explore further: Bio-based solar cell: Researchers generate electricity rather than biomass with photosynthetic proteins

More information: Ariel Efrati et al. Assembly of photo-bioelectrochemical cells using photosystem I-functionalized electrodes, Nature Energy (2016). DOI: 10.1038/nenergy.2015.21

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gkam
1.5 / 5 (17) Jan 19, 2016
As long as we were satisfied with eating pollution, our systems were "okay" and progress was almost stopped. Now, we are on a new paradigm, shedding the old ways and the old thinking for more mature and considered actions and consequences.

Capitalists were fine with the old ways, and would have kept us there. Money and politics are hard to beat, but we can do it.
gkam
1.2 / 5 (17) Jan 19, 2016
I got voted a "one" for the above post from someone who gets his power from coal and nukes. He is part of the problem. Many of the rest of us have cleaned our acts and can make much of our own power cleanly, without the terribly-toxic and intensely-radioactive waste from those operations.
Uncle Ira
4.6 / 5 (18) Jan 19, 2016
I got voted a "one" for the above post from someone who,,,,,,,,


,,,, thinks that,,,,,,

As long as we were satisfied with eating pollution, our systems were "okay" and progress was almost stopped. Now, we are on a new paradigm, shedding the old ways and the old thinking for more mature and considered actions and consequences


,,,,, is silly speechifying and sounds like Sarah Palin.

But I did think that,,,,

Capitalists were fine with the old ways, and would have kept us there. Money and politics are hard to beat, but we can do it


,,,,had a nice technical and science ring to it for discussing the topical article.

But I got to give you another 1 vote for hypocriting with,,,,

gets his power from coal and nukes


,,,,because so do you. PG and the E buys power made in coal and nukes plants.

He is part of the problem


If that actually meant something it would be wrong, but it is just more emotional blahs from the glam-Skippy
gkam
1.2 / 5 (17) Jan 19, 2016
Nope. No coal. And we will shutdown Diablo Canyon, which was being built when I was hired by PG&E in 1980.

But the Southern Company is getting the message, however late. Meanwhile, many of you can buy power from Votgle, produced at 13 cents wholesale, and how much at retail?
Uncle Ira
4.6 / 5 (18) Jan 19, 2016
Nope. No coal.


Yep. Yes coal. You might think it is just semantical. But the PG and the E DOES buy power made in coal plants. In Oregon and Nevada and Arizona too.

And we will shutdown Diablo Canyon, which was being built when I was hired by PG&E in 1980.


And PG and the E will probably buy it from nuke plants outside of California. (Unless you got some kind of fancy machine that can sort out the electrons according to which kind of plant they were made in.)
gkam
1.2 / 5 (17) Jan 19, 2016
You can make all the assertions you want. Your own power company is finally seeing the truth, and will follow us to the future.
gkam
1.2 / 5 (17) Jan 19, 2016
Ira, Oregon gets about a third of their own power from coal, but we buy hydro from Washington.
Uncle Ira
4.6 / 5 (18) Jan 19, 2016
You can make all the assertions you want.


It's not the assertion. It is the fact. Californians DO use power produced in coal and nuclear plants. You made the false assertion that you don't.

Your own power company is finally seeing the truth, and will follow us to the future.


I think that solar is a good thing. Making up silly slogans and blurts and blahs that are not true is not good for MY agenda Cher. You don't help the cause, but you do help brighten my day with you goofy postums.
Uncle Ira
4.3 / 5 (18) Jan 19, 2016
Ira, Oregon gets about a third of their own power from coal, but we buy hydro from Washington.


I am not talking about the hydro you buy. I am talking about the coal and nuclear power you buy. You were pretending that you don't.

See Cher, it's like this. There is this thing called conservation of energy. It is a science rule that everybody has to go by. California uses a lot more energy than it produces. The extra has to come from somewhere. It comes from this huge western grid. All the electrons on that grid are mixed together so a lot of the extra electrons that California uses comes from coal and nuclear plants. So you can not say with trut that you don't use any.

And that is just electricity side of it. California uses more stuffs that uses more coal and nuclear power than stuff they produce using green energy. Everything from plastics, gasoline, and metal products to you name it.

If you were not the goober, you would know all this stuffs.
gkam
1.4 / 5 (18) Jan 19, 2016
No, Ira, we contract directly with the particular suppliers. We get the power they put into the grid, and vice-versa, when they buy from us.

We use a lot more electrons? Where do they go?
billpress11
1.5 / 5 (17) Jan 19, 2016
Ira, gkam is correct, here is an example:

ECO-Advantage 100% Renewable Fixed Price Offer
Our 100% wind price offer for residents within FirstEnergy's service territory. Support environmental sustainability with this renewable

.0665 cents per KWH

https://www.aepen...1ACAC4s1

promile
Jan 19, 2016
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Uncle Ira
4.6 / 5 (18) Jan 19, 2016
Ira, gkam is correct, here is an example:

ECO-Advantage 100% Renewable Fixed Price Offer
Our 100% wind price offer for residents within FirstEnergy's service territory. Support environmental sustainability with this renewable

.0665 cents per KWH

https://www.aepen...1ACAC4s1



Skippy did you bump your head or something? What the heck does that have to do with PG and the E buying power from out of state to sell with his customers?
gkam
1.3 / 5 (16) Jan 19, 2016
It is an example of how it is done.

But you said we use more electrons then we produce, or something, and I want to know how many more, and where they went.
gkam
1.2 / 5 (18) Jan 19, 2016
Ira, we contract everyday for power, buying MWh at certain times from certain producers who will put it on the line at those times. Are you worried they are not the same electrons?

Don't be. It's okay.
billpress11
1.5 / 5 (16) Jan 19, 2016
Ira, I never said it did have anything to do with PG&E. What I showed you was that one can purchase ALL of their electrical needs from renewables. I take gkam claim at face value. What proof do you have that the claim is not true and that some of the electricity they use is from coal and nuclear?
gkam
1.2 / 5 (17) Jan 19, 2016
bill, that is why you can do it now, too. We had it set up for utilities already, who have used the technique for as long as we have had grids. It is what they are for, . . the exchange of power.
Uncle Ira
4.8 / 5 (17) Jan 19, 2016
Ira, I never said it did have anything to do with PG&E. What I showed you was that one can purchase ALL of their electrical needs from renewables.


A person MIGHT be able to. That was not the lie glam-Skippy made.

I take gkam claim at face value.


That will only lead to grief Cher.

Because the claim he made was,,,,,,,

No coal. And we will shutdown Diablo Canyon, which was being built when I was hired by PG&E in 1980.


That is not true. They buy a lot of power, 25% of all they use from out-of-state. And a LOT of that is from coal and nuclear plants.

What proof do you have that the claim is not true and that some of the electricity they use is from coal and nuclear?


Dang Skippy have none of you peoples never heard of Google-Skippy?

http://energyalma...wer.html

Be sure to see how much of their power coming from the Northwest and Southwest comes from coal and nuclear.

Uncle Ira
4.8 / 5 (17) Jan 19, 2016
Ira, we contract everyday for power, buying MWh at certain times from certain producers who will put it on the line at those times.


Actually it was 17,877GWh of coal and 8,193GWh of nuclear in 2014. From out of state.

Are you worried they are not the same electrons?
.


Are you worried you got caught making up stuffs out of thin air hoping nobody checks? You should be because you always get caught.
gkam
1.2 / 5 (17) Jan 19, 2016
Ira, I get my power from PG&E, not SoCalEd or SDG&E, LADPW or whatever. We buy no power from coal.

Those contracts are not from "The North", they are from specific producers at specific times from specific kinds of sources.

I warned you about looking stuff up, the context of which you do not understand.

http://www.thegua...n-google
gkam
1.2 / 5 (17) Jan 19, 2016
Ira may be confused by the interest in Four Corners powerplants some So Cal utilities have part-interest in.
Uncle Ira
4.6 / 5 (18) Jan 19, 2016
Ira may be confused by the interest in Four Corners powerplants some So Cal utilities have part-interest in.


Non Cher. I am confused because you say that California is coal and nuclear free but the Dept of Energy says you are making that up out of thin air. Confused mind you, not so surprised given your record at the track.

Oh yeah, I almost forget. Was you part of that thing when PG and the E got caught paying 79 millions of dollars bribes, uh, I mean lobbying fees in return for 11 billions of dollars of subsidies?
Uncle Ira
4.6 / 5 (18) Jan 19, 2016
I warned you about looking stuff up, the context of which you do not understand.


Well if looking up stuffs works as well as it has for me your warning doesn't mean much, does it Cher? You have never caught me wrong on something I have looked up. And you have about 90 % failure rate at making stuffs up.

Do you have some other silly thing to point out or can I go do some other things for awhile?
gkam
1.2 / 5 (17) Jan 19, 2016
No, I meant I was coal-free, our entire 94,000 square miles of service territory or whatever it is now, is free of coal-generated power.

Now, tell me what happened to all those electrons we "used".
Uncle Ira
4.3 / 5 (17) Jan 19, 2016
Now, tell me what happened to all those electrons we "used".


Which ones? The coal plant electrons or the nuclear plant electrons? My guess is they are still bouncing around in the machinery and wires but I am sure you have something better than that, eh? You are suppose to return then after each use but maybe PG and the E found a way to steal, uh I mean lose, some of them. They don't really have a stellar record of being honest and ethical about things electric.
gkam
1.2 / 5 (17) Jan 19, 2016
" They don't really have a stellar record of being honest and ethical about things electric."
------------------------------------

How long were you out of power after Katrina?

But I wanted you to tell me how the electrons in the wire make stuff do things, and what happens to them.
Uncle Ira
4.6 / 5 (18) Jan 19, 2016
How long were you out of power after Katrina?


Too long Cher. Too long. That won't happen to me again.

But I wanted you to tell me how the electrons in the wire make stuff do things, and what happens to them.


Depends on what you want to make stuff do. If you want some heat, then push through some resistance. If you want to make things move, then push through some coils with magnets. If you want to talk on the radio, then push through an antenna so they send out some waves. I would have thought a six different kinds of Senior Engineer would know all that stuffs. But in the end, the rule is that you got to give them back when you are done with them.

Now what other silly questions you got about the electrons? Don't take my word for it, look it up. The electrons stay in the system, they don't get used up or wore out. Every time a generator or battery send one out, another one has to come back in. That's why they call them circuits.
gkam
1.9 / 5 (18) Jan 19, 2016
Good stuff, Ira.

Fact is, we just send the same electrons back and forth in your appliance or heater or lat bubz. And they are yours to begin with.
Uncle Ira
4.6 / 5 (18) Jan 19, 2016
Fact is, we just send the same electrons back and forth in your appliance or heater or lat bubz.


That's what I just said Cher. So I will give the five karma points for that.

And they are yours to begin with.


I don't care who they belong to, but I got to pay to make them do something besides just sit there on the copper in the wires. I guess you are getting all geared up to let the sun move them around so you won't have to pay anybody, eh?
gkam
1.3 / 5 (16) Jan 19, 2016
Well, it's like paying in advance for much of my power. Although it is cheaper, the most appealing thing to me is the eventual ability to stand alone. Did you see what happened to the grid in the Ukraine? It was sabotaged with software, and all the nodes were shut down.

We have teams of specialists on their way over now to see if we can prevent the same thing with our grid. I want to be independent. You can too, with some battery storage and all the sun you get, you may not have to run your large diesel genset much.

Uncle Ira
4.6 / 5 (18) Jan 19, 2016
Did you see what happened to the grid in the Ukraine?It was sabotaged with software, and all the nodes were shut down

Yeah I see that. That kind of stuffs does not make me fret or worry me non. I got a fatalistic outlook for humanity.

There is stuffs in our genes that make it possible to get so far ahead of other animals. But the same stuffs in those same genes will be what brings down "modern civilization". Too many peoples in the world, and too little resources. It is not in the human nature to cut back and share. A few would, but a few will get eaten by the many who want what the fewer have.

I want to be independent.

Nothing wrong with that.

You can too, with some battery storage and all the sun you get, you may not have to run your large diesel genset much.

Don't run him much as it is now. And I don't think I could talk Mrs-Ira-Skippette into letting me spend the money for the solar panes, maybe after most peoples are already doing it.
Mike_Massen
1.3 / 5 (16) Jan 20, 2016
Is it right to feel sorry for old Uncle Ira, a pattern only of sniping without cause, very often confuses claim & evidence, when caught out refuses to be honorable & apologize

Worse is ugly defaming with stalking which he initiated when I offered neutral perspective re gkam's background as a veteran was correct. Uncle Ira got his nose badly out of joint, proof of these evident attributes

1 Stalks/defames dragging forum down
2 Makes up ugly things about people
3 Attacks on flimsiest excuse
4 Refuses to apologize when caught lying
5 Unable to pursue any Science Communication
6 Disrespects adds Skippy/cher/couyon to marginalise/diminish others

Clear to those that understand psychology Eg Uncle Ira's nick chosen to try & engender acceptance, a shallow & superficial attempt to gain trust shared with stalkers

Its clear even short exchange here & others, Uncle Ira just can't ever be trusted !

When will he apologise to me re claiming I'm a thief & to gkam & few others ?
Uncle Ira
4.6 / 5 (18) Jan 20, 2016
Is it weird for Mike-Skippy to write,,,

Is it right to feel sorry for old Uncle Ira


Is it right for Mike-Skippy jump into sometime without knowing what is happening like,,,

I offered neutral perspective re gkam's background as a veteran was correct.


Mike-Skippy fails at being the resident genius with,,,

Uncle Ira got his nose badly out of joint, proof of these evident attributes


Got some more things Mike-Skippy should try to understand but need more letter spaces so I will P.S. to the room so he can see them even if he fails (again) to understand the easy stuffs.

Uncle Ira
4.6 / 5 (19) Jan 20, 2016
P.S. for the room since that is the way Mike-Skippy likes to talk, weird I know but he thinks it makes him look professor-like.

Mike-Skippy fails (again) with such silly things like,
Stalks/defames dragging forum down

, which is either a lie, or Mike-Skippy does not know what Stalks/defames means.

Makes up ugly things about people

, means Mike-Skippy doesn't know what "makes up" means. I even postum the link to the place where I got the stuffs I didn't make up

Attacks on flimsiest excuse

Lie again. I asked him a few times to get out of my business. A few other peoples told him should not go where he is not knowing the lay of the land.

Refuses to apologize when caught lying

Not caught non, so Mike-Skippy needs to learn what the word "lie" means. (It don't mean found something that two dozen peoples on the interweb saying that Mike-Skippy don't like to much.)

gkam
1.2 / 5 (18) Jan 20, 2016
Well now, Ira really did say I was lying, and really did misrepresent what I sent him to verify my experiences. And he threatened me, to make me go away. So instead of finding a friend with the same world-view, he made a potential enemy.

All he needed to do was ask a question regarding my experience instead of screaming I was lying, like the chronic malcontent and sniper, otto.

I will cease my responses if he ceases his attacks.
Uncle Ira
4.6 / 5 (18) Jan 20, 2016
Another P.S. for the room because of Mike-Skippy's silly way of trying to get some gravitas by talking to the room.

I am starting to see why Mike-Skippy is confused with the lie thing because he doesn' think this is one,,,,,
Unable to pursue any Science Communication


As a matter of the fact I think Mike-Skippy has worse English then I do if he can write this with the straight face,,,,
Disrespects adds Skippy/cher/couyon to marginalise/diminish others


Clear to those that understand psychology Eg Uncle Ira's nick chosen to try & engender acceptance, a shallow & superficial attempt to gain trust shared with stalkers

,,,, well that one was just weird, so I will chalk it up to Mike-Skippy still trying to sound professorial-like.

Its clear even short exchange here & others, Uncle Ira just can't ever be trusted

,,, hooyeei, Mike-Skippy sure is weird. What does that mean? Somebody explain to Mike-Skippy I am not here to borrow a tool or some money

gkam
1.2 / 5 (18) Jan 20, 2016
You are here to make irrelevant personal comments attacking others. You call it The Uncle Ira Show.

If you want discuss the science, let's do it, but let us do it professionally, without rancor or personal attacks
Uncle Ira
4.5 / 5 (15) Jan 20, 2016
without rancor or personal attacks


You mean not like you have done since first day here? (Or like Mike-Skippy has not done since his first day either?) You know why I never cry foul on those things? Not because you don't do it, you do. It's because I am not the hypocrite.

If you don't like me, go somewhere else or put me on the ignore thing. (That was the rhetoric thing, we all know your mental condition won't let you use the ignore thing that the nice peoples at the physorg put in for peoples like you.) I was the way I am before you got here, and will the same when you are dead and dust and in the boneyard.

Cher, you just got to be as dumb as a cypress stump if you still think you get special rules that don't apply for you. You show up every day you been as the angry gumpy senior expert daring everybody to dispute anything because you are you. Showing up with your very own silly looking pointy cap (with stars and moons on him) was icing on the cake.
Mike_Massen
1.2 / 5 (17) Jan 20, 2016
Sorry to be off topic guys but, Uncle Ira really needs to be brought to task & its easy to take it one at a time as evidence is clear, either Uncle Ira is fake & makes things up to only hurt people or he is a demented fool redneck who deserves to be put out to pasture, he has no place on a Science agglomeration site, he can't comprehend most posts on this forum, his pattern of behavior resorts to snipe at others, start with first

Uncle Ira lie 1.

Claimed I'm a thief, my ebay account closed, he was caught in outright lie as it has never been closed ever or even suspended ever for any reason whatsoever & I am at 100% !

Sad, Uncle Ira looks very foolish caught as anyone can look it up & ask ebay
http://www.ebay.c...e_engine

Motivation, just WHY did Uncle Ira lie & make it up ?

Can Uncle Ira demonstrate; honor, integrity & true communication accepting he made many big mistakes, starting with sizable 1. casting defamatory comment about my ebay account ?
gkam
1.2 / 5 (18) Jan 20, 2016
We do not care when you got here, Ira, only when you will either leave or change tactics. Your hubris got you into these messes, assuming we were of poor character. You proved your own when you refused to acknowledge my proof, mischaracterizing it and feeding the lies of otto, who chose to believe your assumptions out of convenience.

We can start over. I do not need any apology, I need to be as respected as you expect to be. Yes, my experiences were unusual for one person, but they are real. I certainly gave you the benefit of the doubt regarding your life, why did you attack me?

Next, we really must get rid of otto and his tooty and other identities. We can't get the place clean until we do the sewers.
Uncle Ira
4.5 / 5 (17) Jan 20, 2016
Mike-Skippy still being weird says,,
as evidence is clear,


either Uncle Ira is fake


If Mike-Skippy thinks Ira-Skippy is fake all he has to do is come to Lafourche Parish and ask around.

makes things up to only hurt people

,,,, finding stuffs on the interweb is not the same thing as "makes things up". I didn't put them up there, they were already there for me to find.

or he is a demented fool redneck

,,, Mike-Skippy who thinks people should not insult or call names on the interweb should learn to speak proper American. It's "demented fool coonass" not "redneck".

who deserves to be put out to pasture,

I guess Mike-Skippy is trying to get some peoples to join up with email campaign that has not done anything but give the peoples in the front office something to laugh about. Mike-Skippy should be careful what he wishes for. There is a reason that the physorg is the last place available for him to be professorial with the gravitas.

Uncle Ira
4.6 / 5 (18) Jan 20, 2016
Sad, Uncle Ira looks very foolish caught as anyone can look it up & ask ebay
http://www.ebay.c...e_engine


Sad that Google-Skippy did not let Ira-Skippy find that. It has to be Ira-Skippy's fault and Mike-Skippy should get the apology from Ira-Skippy because he looked at what Google-Skippy showed him. Hooyeei, this Mike-Skippy is the weird one with some mental baggage, eh?

Motivation, just WHY did Uncle Ira lie & make it up ?

Well speaking of motivation, why does Mike-Skippy keep saying Ira-Skippy "make up" and "lie" when all he did was repeat what the Google-Skippy said? Did Ira-Skippy also make up the interweb place where two dozens peoples were talking about Mike-Skippy?

Can Uncle Ira demonstrate;

Can Mike-Skippy demonstrate that he doesn't have some serious mental baggages? Psst, Mike-Skippy, you are losing your hard imagined gravitas Cher. You are the whining P'tit Boug le Couyon. (That's coonass for, Little Boy The Fool)
gkam
1.2 / 5 (18) Jan 20, 2016
Stick it up your Skippy.

Then, go away,and leave this forum to those who want to discuss the science, not make adolescent comments. I recommend Twitter, because I am not on it.
Uncle Ira
4.8 / 5 (17) Jan 20, 2016
Stick it up your Skippy.

Whatever that means, okayeei because you are my favorite Skippy for the time being.

go away,and leave

Ain't gonna happen Cher.

this forum

This is not a forum. A real forum doesn't let peoples like you and Mike-Skippy do all their hypocriting name calling while they are whining about getting called names. There is a reason you are here and not on a real forum where peoples stick to the science. They don't let peoples make the silly postums you make all the time without giving them the boot-a-roo.

want to discuss the science

A lot of peoples here do that. And they do it very good. But you are not one of those peoples. No matter how much you and Mike-Skippy want to be seen as the total expert with the professorial gravitas, you can't do it. That is why you are here instead of the real forums.

not make adolescent comments.

You mean like all the Palin-like slogans some peoples throw out?
gkam
1.2 / 5 (18) Jan 20, 2016
Good luck to you, Ira.

Game's over.
Uncle Ira
4.7 / 5 (15) Jan 20, 2016
Good luck to you, Ira.


And good luck to you too Cher.

Game's over.


Well, whatever that means, if you say so that is fine with me.
Mike_Massen
1.2 / 5 (18) Jan 20, 2016
Uncle Ira stumbles again in ugly behavior
Well speaking of motivation, why does Mike-Skippy keep saying Ira-Skippy "make up" and "lie" when all he did was repeat what the Google-Skippy said?
Why even stalk, search for dirt ?

So then thoughtless repetition of idle claim is the best Uncle Ira can do, how pathetic ?

Google obvious cannot discriminate claim from evidence, why copy & FAIL to check instead of *only* spewing ugly claim ?

This is a Science report site, not soap opera gossip, can't you focus on Science ?

Proof Incle Ira ignores Evidence
Did Ira-Skippy also make up the interweb place where two dozens peoples were talking about Mike-Skippy?
Finding a few angry young adults who got angry when they couldn't contact me when I was ill means you have to defame me on a public forum, is that intelligent ?

Uncle Ira, you come across has having only ugly intent to hurt, why defame ?

Uncle Ira confirms he is *only* a mindless copycat

Man up & apologise !
Uncle Ira
4.5 / 5 (17) Jan 20, 2016
Why even stalk,

You still have the problem with the English? I am sure you think the "stalk" makes it sound as if you was severely abused. But Cher, you did a whole lot of talking about all you bona fides and why you are the professorial genius with a lot of gravitas. All I did is what normal peoples do, ask the Google-Skippy what he thought about it. Google-Skippy says all Mike-Skippy's bona fides start where he once wrote something about him self. And don't blame that on me too, it's what Google-Skippy says .I only tell what I find, it's not up to me to find out if it's true.

can't you focus on Science ?

Well Cher if you were half as smart as you pretend to be you would just stick to your "Science" with the BIG S and let me be. YOU came to me first Cher. Your imagined gravitas gives you first and last shot in a fair world, eh? But not here it does not work that way.

Unfair maybe, but that is what it is. Maybe ONE more email will do the trick?
Uncle Ira
4.6 / 5 (18) Jan 20, 2016
Uncle Ira, you come across has having only ugly intent to hurt, why defame ?


That is because you got some sort of mental condition that makes you think you are somehow special. I come here to watch peoples, the more self-absorbed they are, the more fun they are to watch. I studies peoples, it's my hobby. Yours is pretending the professorial gravitas on the interweb places.

If you had half the smarts you pretend to have, you would have just moved along when I told seven or six times you were being careless playing the tall grass. But oh non, you were to smart for that, you ended up "hurt" and "defamed", so you get to play victim hoping nobody notices the double standard hypocrite.

Uncle Ira confirms he is *only* a mindless copycat

Still having problems with the English? All my material is original.

Man up & apologise!

Ain't going to happen Cher. Maybe just one email will do the trick, eh? For a genius you sure are slow on the up-take.
Uncle Ira
4.6 / 5 (19) Jan 20, 2016
P.S. for you Mike-Skippy.

Why you don't stick with the no-name-calling and no-insulting conversations you have with your regulars peoples. Those are actually fun to read for me. You name-call and insult in every single one of your postums, but somehow thinks it makes you look like the GREAT WISE SAGE WITH A BARGE LOAD OF GRAVITAS. It makes you look like the new Sophomore strutting in front of the new Freshmen. That is the kind of stuffs I really like to watch.

You should be thankful for the nice peoples at the physorg giving you peoples a last refuge to display your inflated egos, not write the silly whiny emails.
bluehigh
3.3 / 5 (7) Jan 20, 2016
I believe you are both sick twisted fakes. At least Uncle Ira is occasionally amusing.

In any case carry on guys. I got a giant tub of popcorn, icy cold drinks and I'm not going outside today as the temp is likely to reach 40C.

Is this gonna be 1v1 or a free for all brawl?
bluehigh
3.7 / 5 (6) Jan 20, 2016
Uncle Ira stuns Mad Mike with withering character assassination.

Stay tuned.
Lord_jag
3.9 / 5 (11) Jan 20, 2016
Does this forum have the rule "Do not feed the trolls?"

It should.
bluehigh
3.7 / 5 (9) Jan 21, 2016
Uncle Ira delivers a knockout blow to Mad Mikes credibility.

Hopefully, Mad Muttering Mike will STFU.

Looks unlikely though. The mentally deranged Mad Mike has no shame it seems.
gkam
1.2 / 5 (17) Jan 21, 2016
The forum regards using biological materials for PV capture, not your silly games, blue.

Please go away, too.
Mike_Massen
1.5 / 5 (15) Jan 24, 2016
Uncle Ira claims
..did a whole lot of talking about all you bona fides and why you are the professorial genius with a lot of gravitas
No I confirmed qualifications & offered experience, why rely on mindless google search, smarter to email/ph ?
http://www.curtin.edu.au

Uncle Ira claims
...wrote something about him self
You mean other than in response to question then where ?

Uncle Ira says
it's what Google-Skippy says .I only tell what I find, it's not up to me to find out if it's true
:P You just proved you can't tell difference of Claim versus Evidence ?

Why would you want to only copy idle claim from mindless google search, would an "intelligent & ethical" investigator ever do that, yah think ?

Uncle Ira says
..All my material is original
Ah confirm you didnt mindlessly act as a google copycat so you state you lie by making up claim ebay closed my account !

Wheres the google link my ebay account was closed, you haven't proved any claims ?
Mike_Massen
1.3 / 5 (15) Jan 24, 2016
bluehigh fails dismally at basic comprehension
Uncle Ira delivers a knockout blow to Mad Mikes credibility. Hopefully, Mad Muttering Mike will STFU. Looks unlikely though
Really ? Driven by mere grubby idle prejudice just like Unclue Ira then !

1. Madness, who's irrational, he who stalks digging for dirt or who challenges idle claim ?

2. Credibility, uni qualifications easily proven student no 07602128 call Curtin please ?

3. Muttering, see my posts I offer concerted rationale in conjunction with Physics & links :-)

4. Shame, I apologize for mistakes, Uncle Ira doesnt !

Uncle Ira shows well:-

a. Can't tell difference between Claim & Evidence
b. Relies on google links only, no proof
c. Didn't check & even claims its ok to make personal attacks without checking truth !
d. Very worried about his status, ie Odd notion of "gravitas", I've never used it till Unclue Ira

Sadly bluehigh, you Fail to notice Unclue Ira is mere follower of mood, no Science :-(
Mike_Massen
1.3 / 5 (15) Jan 24, 2016
bluehigh claims
I believe you are both sick twisted fakes
Ah good point there bluehigh, thats very easy to prove with Uncle Ira, he's squarely put himself in poo conceding he gets google links & refuses to check & only copies them here due to oddball "gravitas" ie a Fake & not intelligent to do that at all, ie ugly

He claims I'm a hypocrite - how so, I've *never* done what he does, can anyone prove it !

I've never stalked, pasted links on here of google/otherwise which make a personal defamatory attack on any actual person anywhere ever as "god" is my witness !

So Unclue Ira's claims again proven false, hes been caught in yet another dumb lie !

bluehigh says
At least Uncle Ira is occasionally amusing
Maybe but, ugh, getting a bit thin, he's running out of material quickly

& very odd habit of always munting people's names adding; Cher, Skippy, Couyon etc

Not acceptable in any culture I know to do that, attempted subtle tactic to put people down :-(
Uncle Ira
4.5 / 5 (16) Jan 24, 2016
Uncle Ira shows well:-

a. Can't tell difference between Claim & Evidence

I can tell just fine you got a serious problem with taking your self too serious. Cher, this is just a comment pages. It ain't a court or science lab.

b. Relies on google links only, no proof

That's what normal peoples do. I am not worried about proving anything. I just talks about what I see and find too.

c. Didn't check & even claims its ok to make personal attacks without checking truth !

Skippy you got to much body heat involved in this thing. You are not that important.

d. Very worried about his status, ie Odd notion of "gravitas", I've never used it till Unclue Ira

I have no status Cher. Have you taken a look at your postums? You are obsessed with your status and gravitas.

Sadly bluehigh, you Fail to notice Unclue Ira is mere follower of mood, no Science :-(

Sadly Mike-Skippy don't seem to learn much from experience.
Uncle Ira
4.5 / 5 (15) Jan 24, 2016
Not acceptable in any culture I know to do that, attempted subtle tactic to put people down :-(

There is that hypocrite thing popping out again Cher. You really should work on that. Your talking to the room with your "Learn Physics" and your "fails again" and your "is obviously ignorant of" and such like is meant to say what? Go talk to the mirror or the room or whatever it is think you doing to show your gravitas, we find it BIG fun.

Time for another email? Maybe if you tried just one more time the peoples in the front office will stop laughing and come rescue Mike-Skippy from his ego. Do you really enjoy this? You got the serious mental conditions to go with your hypocrite baggage.
gkam
1 / 5 (15) Jan 24, 2016
Notice how Ira is unable to discuss technical issues? He/She is here for games, playing silly semantics with personal attacks, the sign of adolescence.

If we can improve photosynthesis we have made it. We can tell the goobers to go suck coal.
Mike_Massen
1.8 / 5 (15) Jan 24, 2016
Its clear Unclue Ira Fails to prove any of his claims & only worried about appearance & what email ?

Where r links you rely on claiming

1 My ebay account closed due to thieving
2 I make up testimonials re my products
3 I'm a hypocrite ie do same as you
4 I've a pointy hat

Not ONE proven !

Its clear Uncle Ira, you failed to prove "All" your claims, an honourable man would apologise as I have done, so why refuse to do likewise & be smart ?

Unclue Ira learn, its a Science agglomeration site, not retirement home old council gossiping opinions on tenants use of gardens or fishing expeditions, ie it ain't Seinfeld & Castanza's parents in Florida !

It *should* be about Science communication, ethics & above all dealing head-on with idle claimants who have Nil interest in Physics education yet waste people's time;
ie antigoracle, Water_Prophet, Shootist, dogbert, viko_mx, Ren82 etc

Your approach from non-Science lumps YOU with them so far, can you do better please ?
gkam
1.3 / 5 (16) Jan 24, 2016
" ie it ain't Seinfeld & Castanza's parents in Florida !"
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Perfectly put.
Uncle Ira
4.3 / 5 (16) Jan 24, 2016
Your approach from non-Science lumps YOU with them so far, can you do better please ?

Cher your approach lumps you in with all the peoples who come here to show the world their world class genius and world class egos. This is not the court of law. It is not a science laboratory (unless the psycho-science-Skippys use it to study peoples who got some super inflated idea of how important what they write is.) It is not the international conference of brilliantly mind-blowing sagacious pontificators. It is just the place where peoples write comments about what they are thinking about the articles and what they are thinking about the peoples commenting on the articles.

Cher, you really got to get over your self. You will be a lot happier in life if you don't take your self so serious all the time. Do you have any idea at all how silly you are looking to everybody? Well, everybody except for glam-Skippy but you two share some mental conditions.
Uncle Ira
4.5 / 5 (15) Jan 24, 2016
Notice how Ira is unable to discuss technical issues? .


Notice how Ira-Skippy responds in kind? But it is the technical issues you made the mistakes on and then doubled down on when I showed you up that caused you to attract my attention by telling me how stupid and ignorant I was.
Uncle Ira
4.5 / 5 (16) Jan 24, 2016
yet waste people's time;
ie antigoracle, Water_Prophet, Shootist, dogbert, viko_mx, Ren82 etc


That's how I know you really are not as smart as you want us to think you are. And why I am pretty sure you got the serious mental conditions. Smart people like me got those peoples on the ignore thing so they don't get to waste my time.

You should try it sometime. It won't give you much of a chance to show off your wisdom and gravitas, but it will save you a lot time you could be spending "Learning Physics".
Mike_Massen
1.3 / 5 (14) Jan 24, 2016
Uncle Ira Fails to focus on Science communication
Cher your approach lumps you in with all the peoples who come here to show the world their world class genius and world class egos
No !
I focus on Physics, if that means I squarely show the idle ignorant claimants wrong, then so be it. Physics has >150yrs history of giants upon giants, eg Gauss then Einstein etc, you only focus on imagined status, its sad

Far smarter, & mature to focus on Science communication as OTHERS read these posts who are either young, immature or naive might believe dumb claims, whether from personal attacks or misleading students on Science at many levels

Would that be good for the next generation, I'm an Engineer & have responsibility re product design, mere idle redneck claims don't cut it, they're total waste of everyone's time !

You're still wallowing attempting to defend the indefensible, you make idle ego based claims on a Science site to try to put people down

Apologise please
Mike_Massen
1.3 / 5 (14) Jan 24, 2016
Uncle Ira says
Smart people like me got those peoples on the ignore thing so they don't get to waste my time
Ugh, proves overwhelmingly how very Selfish you are, you ignore FACT these comments cannot be edited after 3min elapsed, so you ignore that others coming after you are misled by immature people ?

Is it smart in any way shape at all ?

Uncle Ira says
You should try it sometime
No !
That would make me a sociopath ignoring those who mislead & waste valuable time, far smarter, more sensible & mature to challenge & watch them retreat completely unable to prove *any* of their claims !

Uncle Ira misses point
It won't give you much of a chance to show off your wisdom and gravitas
Please get it, not about the transient 'now', about legacy we are leaving readers to come whilst *also* exercising skill to address varieties of claimants who try more sophisticated means to lie & obfuscate, is that smart ?

Why so selfish, what does that tell us about you ?
Uncle Ira
4.2 / 5 (15) Jan 24, 2016
Cher your approach lumps you in with all the peoples who come here to show the world their world class genius and world class egos

No !
I focus on Physics, if that means I squarely show the idle ignorant claimants wrong, then so be it. Physics has >150yrs history of giants upon giants, eg Gauss then Einstein etc, you only focus on imagined status, its sad

I bet you are sad you decided to focus on me, eh? But oh non, you just knew I would be easy, eh?

Would that be good for the next generation,

,,,, another silly Skippy here to serve humanity and science? Really-Skippy has that conditions too him.

I'm an Engineer & have responsibility re product design,

Of course you are Cher. I am happy for you about that.

mere idle redneck claims don't cut it,

It's coonass not redneck.

they're total waste of everyone's time

So what does that say about your emotional stability?

Apologise please

Dang you are dense Cher.
gkam
1.3 / 5 (16) Jan 24, 2016
Instead of proving my assertion that he/she is here for silly games, Ira can try to discuss the technology. Unable?

They invented Twitter for you, Ira. Go there.
Uncle Ira
4.5 / 5 (16) Jan 24, 2016
Instead of proving my assertion that he/she is here for silly games, Ira can try to discuss the technology.


The new-agey Palin, bane of all goobers, comes to the aid of the Don Quixote of the "Learn Physics".

Unable?

So far I got a better track record with the technical stuffs than you do here. And I am not even six different kinds of Senior Engineer. Maybe that was the rhetoric sort of thing hoping somebody would think you are able.

They invented Twitter for you, Ira. Go there.

If it's all the same to you Cher, I'll just keep going where I go without any advisements from you. So far your stuffs have not been so good, so I will pass me.

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