Fuel subsidies defy green trend amid rising climate alarm

Experts say subsidies—which can come in the form of tax breaks, rebates, financial incentives or even overseas aid—are hard to a
Experts say subsidies—which can come in the form of tax breaks, rebates, financial incentives or even overseas aid—are hard to accurately calculate

Even as warnings of climate catastrophe and calls for greener economies grow ever louder, the world is still spending hundreds of billions of dollars every year to subsidise the fossil fuels that are causing the planet to overheat.

With mankind's plan to avert runaway global warming this century badly off course, scrutiny is mounting over how the taxpayer funding that companies receive to burn oil, gas and coal at heavy discounts is costing the planet in other ways.

Subsidies can come in the form of tax breaks, rebates, or even overseas aid and can keep consumer prices artificially low. They are also hard to accurately calculate, say experts.

But there is a growing consensus among economists that state-backed support for dirty energy is becoming increasingly hard to justify—both in financial and environmental terms.

In particular, the cost of renewable energy has plummeted in recent years.

The International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA) says that the cost of generating power from onshore wind has fallen 23 percent since 2010, while solar electricity has tumbled 73 percent.

"Subsidies tend to stay in the system and they can become very costly as the cost of new technologies falls," Simon Buckle, head of the Climate Change, Biodiversity and Water Division at the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), told AFP.

"Cost reductions like this were not envisageable even 10 years ago. They have transformed the situation and many renewables are now cost competitive in different locations with coal."

World electricity production by energy type
World electricity production by energy type (2000 and 2018). The world still spends hundreds of billions of dollars every year to subsidise fossil fuels.

Yet subsidies for remain stubbornly high globally.

An OECD working paper last year found a direct impact from spending on oil and gas on green energy investment, concluding "fossil fuel subsidies significantly reduce" the use of renewables.

The International Energy Agency (IEA) this week found that 2018 actually saw an increase in money going into new upstream oil and gas projects, while investment in renewable power of all kinds dipped two percent.

'Not viable'?

A recent OECD report on subsidies estimated that nations were providing around $370 billion (330 billion euros) in "support measures for fossil fuels".

This is "an order of magnitude (ten times higher) than global finance flows for biodiversity conservation and sustainable use," it concluded.

Using a different methodology factoring in the social and economic costs of air pollution, health risks, and the effects of climate change associated with fossil fuel use, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) released a working paper this month with some eye-catching figures.

It estimated that in 2015 global pre- and post-tax energy subsidies stood at $5.2 trillion—or 6.3 percent of global GDP.

The cost of renewable energy has fallen markedly since 2010
The cost of renewable energy has fallen markedly since 2010

The paper said China contributed the most to continued fossil fuel use, with the equivalent of $1.4 trillion in support of coal, oil and gas. The United States was second with $649 billion.

The European Union's support for fossil fuels cost $289 billion, it said.

The report estimated that if fossil fuel prices were "fully efficient"—that is, -free—in 2015, "global CO2 emissions would have been 28 percent lower (and) fossil fuel air pollution deaths 46 percent lower."

Dylan Tanner, executive director of pro-transparency monitor InfluenceMap, said that if the costs of healthcare, welfare and working hours lost were considered in the costing of fossil fuel subsidies, "these type of activities would be completely driven out of the market."

He said many companies generating energy from coal—the fuel that receives the most state funding—"are not valued as viable concerns" without continued .

'Market distorting'

In 2017 the V20 group of nations most vulnerable to the effects of climate change issued a call for G20 countries to phase out "market distorting" fossil fuel subsides by 2020.

Two years earlier, 195 nations signed up to the Paris climate agreement, which enjoined them to limit global temperature rises to well below 2 Celsius (3.6 Fahrenheit)—something climate scientists say would require a rapid drawdown in oil, gas and coal consumption.

The IMF has predicted air pollution deaths would be nearly halved worldwide without fossil fuel subsidies
The IMF has predicted air pollution deaths would be nearly halved worldwide without fossil fuel subsidies

Part of the problem, according to Tanner, is that governments tend to be vague about what constitutes an energy subsidy.

"The debate would be: 'this isn't a subsidy, this is support to a developing country which has asked for infrastructure assistance'," he said.

"But part of that is a subsidy for coal technology which hasn't sold a single unit on the open market without a government-backed loan."

While Buckle said fossil fuel subsidies need to be phased out far quicker than is happening now, he stressed that ending finance for oil and gas projects alone would not be enough.

"If you look at air pollution, the for that are huge," he said.

"Dealing with air pollution is not just an issue of fossil support and putting a price on emissions... We are talking about structural changes to our economies."


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May 17, 2019
The United States was second with $649 billion.

The European Union's support for fossil fuels cost $289 billion, it said.


Both of them tax fuels more than they subsidize them - the subsidies are merely part of the market regulation - mainly subsidies to corporations and the transport industry to keep the cost of goods down.

Remember, "If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidize it."


May 18, 2019
Both of them tax fuels more than they subsidize them
And the revenue is then used in large part to build and maintain roads. Nice deal for the auto/fossil fuel industry right? Gubermint pays our industry subsidies - to distort the marketplace in our favor. Then collects some taxes from our product - in order to build out the infrastructure that will keep the world addicted to our products for ever. Oil industry profits - https://oilvoice....s-Sector
Sweet deal right? So people like Eikka are happy with crony capitalism - when it is for the oil and gas industry - but opposed when it is for renewable energy. Big problem is that our world is choking to death on burning fossil fuels. As always - profits for the entrenched world order - always outrank irrelevant little issues like the environment for our children.

May 20, 2019
"...concluding "fossil fuel subsidies significantly reduce" the use of renewables..."
Good idea! Ban subsidies for coal/oil/gas/fracking / carbon-free nuclear.
Let's compete!
Even heavily subsidized, solar and wind are unable to compete with hydro and carbon-free nuclear.
Worse yet, in reality, without cheap coal / gas to back them up, solar and wind are even more useless to prevent our children from freezing in the dark.
Without cheap coal / gas, intermittent renewables(land-intensive monstrosities) will die and Nature(birds/bats, natural landscapes, wildlife habitats) will thank us, leaving a better environment for our children.

That's it!
Ban subsidies for fossils and let's see if intermittent renewables can compete with Hydro and carbon-free nuclear without cheap coal / gas/fracking to back them up.

May 20, 2019
Even heavily subsidized, solar and wind are unable to compete with hydro and carbon-free nuclear
really? Show us the cost of unsubsidized nuclear. Give us real world numbers - of new build nuclear. We can do that for renewables -
Onshore wind is now as cheap as $27/MWh in India and Texas, without subsidy
http://ieefa.org/...sources/

And the costs keep coming down. Can you show us a cost curve for nukes for the past 50 years? We can for renewables. https://www.green...s.d8db2q

May 21, 2019
Proof, if proof were needed

Electric cars are not the solution
as just like combustion cars, burn fossil fuel
electric cars burn fossil fuel
if this world ditched this fossil fuel
without taking every acreage of farming land
there is not sufficient land to place wind and solar generators
to replace all these combustion engines of industry, automobiles, houses , shops and street lighting
without PowerStation's
which are powered by fossil fuels
the only solution to this enormous demand
if fossil fuels are excluded
Is Nuclear and Fusion
if this world ditched fossil fuel
would entail taking every acreage of farming land
which would result in these worldly population billions starving
As the last worldly population billion shuffles of this mortal coil
This Earth, this world would be free of this climate catastrophe
Can the last person to leave, please turn of that light

As then this climate catastrophe is no more

May 21, 2019
"And the revenue is then used in large part to build and maintain roads. Nice deal for the auto/fossil fuel industry right?"

Roads?, yea we don't need no stinking roads! Onions has it right, cities should be supplied by pack mules since they only need a very narrow trail.

May 21, 2019
The only proper way to determine which industry receives a greater subsidy per joule produced is to compare the taxes paid minus the actual taxpayer monies received for renewables and fossil. Only when THAT figure is published can one make a reasonable determination about the fairness of "subsidies".

May 21, 2019
...Onshore wind is now as cheap as $27/MWh in India and Texas, without subsidy...
But don't forget to buy a diesel/gasoline-generator to prevent your children from freezing to death when wind isn't blowing and also to compensate fluctuations of production and demand all time.
But no problem, Texas has abundant supplies of cheap oil/gas/fracking to compensate intermittencies of the "unreliables".
"Every turbine and solar panel put up needs back up. Two systems. Two costs. Two carbon footprints. Not much saved of anything in reality."
"Intermittent sources like all wind and all solar need firm backup to 100% of their capacity. So, if you have to build the firm backup anyway, what do you need wind and solar for? Nothing."

"Unsubsidized wind, solar are now the cheapest bulk generation sources" "batteries never included" neither coal/gas-fired backup plants nor integration costs.
Not even the people who propagandize wind/solar buy with their own money these useless placebos.

May 21, 2019
granville
if this world ditched this fossil fuel without taking every acreage of farming land
there is not sufficient land to place wind and solar generators to replace all these combustion engines of industry...
Just saying something does not make it true granville. https://www.forbe...090fd440

May 21, 2019
But don't forget to buy a diesel/gasoline-generator to prevent your children from freezing to death when wind isn't blowing
or you could use solar panels, geothermal, hydro, storage, tidal, wave, and of course other strategies such as interconnections etc.
Not even the people who propagandize wind/solar buy with their own money these useless placebos.
Many do - https://www.green...s.cxu2il
Keep telling the lies Wille - we see you....

May 21, 2019
MR166
Only when THAT figure is published can one make a reasonable determination about the fairness of "subsidies"
And why is that specific equation important to you? For decades - the nuclear industry has received massive gubermint supports. Not a peep from the hypocrite conservative liars. They love crony capitalism - when it lines their pockets. BUT OHHHH - now it has to be fair. We have to try to do calculations that are impossible to do. Fossil fuels receive so many different types of supports - you could never untangle all the threads. You are such a bunch of hypocritical, double standard, two faced liars.

May 21, 2019
Forty tornadoes touched down today.

Butttheresnoglobulwaruming /s

May 21, 2019
Oh and along with the forty tornadoes we have the first named hurricane of the season.

Butttheresnoglobulwaruming /s

May 21, 2019
King Canute tries to hold back the tides.

I seriously doubt he was stupid enough to drown. But it sure screwed up his theology.

May 22, 2019
"And why is that specific equation important to you?"

Onions if you cannot figure out why that metric is important then you are incapable of having an informed discussion about any tax/subsidy issue.

May 22, 2019
MR
Onions if you cannot figure out why that metric is important then you are incapable of having an informed discussion about any tax/subsidy issue
What a total cop out. I explained in detail - why I think that metric is not important. You conservatives - are all about crony capitalism - when it lines the pockets of your favorite industries. But if crony capitalism looks like it might line someone else's pockets - you start squealing like stuck pigs. And all of a sudden you demand a calculation - that as I pointed out - is impossible. So you are a hypocrite. Happy to sit back and support crony capitalism in one instance - and then all outraged when there is crony capitalism for an industry you don't support - so come up with a demand for parity - not understanding the basic point - that you are inconsistent, and two faced.


May 24, 2019
And the revenue is then used in large part to build and maintain roads.


And the electric grid, and the information infrastructure, and all other basic structures of the society - because the tax revenue isn't earmarked for particular spending purposes.

And not enough of it gets spent on infrastructure. The repair debt is enormous. Debt meaning, the infrastructure isn't getting enough money for maintenance despite the enormous amounts of tax collected out of the energy industry.

https://www.bacon...tenance/
The U.S. faces a $1.6 trillion deficit in infrastructure for transportation, energy, water and wastewater


Nice deal for the auto/fossil fuel industry right?


Try to get around at all without roads and bridges.

May 24, 2019
For decades - the nuclear industry has received massive gubermint supports.


The nuclear industry is the least subsidized out of all energy in terms of return of investment ($/MWh). It receives a tiny fraction of the subsidies granted even to other fossil fuels, and just around 1-2% of the amount granted to renewable energy in $/MWh.

And nuclear power is taxed in excess of regular taxes on the point of collecting money for decommissioning and waste disposal (which then isn't used for the purpose by the government). In total, this is again net positive tax - and massively so.

All in, ALL forms of energy except renewables (excl. hydro) are taxed more than they receive in subsidies, which is the point. The government merely returns some of the money they've taxed to some of the companies in order to control the market, and they massively favor renewable energy over fossil fuels already.

May 24, 2019
So people like Eikka are happy with crony capitalism - when it is for the oil and gas industry - but opposed when it is for renewable energy.


No I'm not. Stop putting arguments into other peoples' mouths.

The point here is, that when the government gives you a dollar with one hand and takes away a hundred with its other hand, in reality it has not given you anything. It has taken 99 dollars - so complaining about the huge subsidies as if they are a favor is totally disingenuous.

The point of the government playing favorites by granting some corporations money is a separate issue and on that question I am very much against. However, we can both see the fundamental point and purpose of it: the taxation causes energy prices to go up in places where high energy prices cause harm, so the government returns some of the money there to deal with it. The crony capitalism is an unwanted side effect that is not supposed to happen and should be dealt with.

May 24, 2019
This is also the reason why "managed capitalism" by the state is a dangerous thing - when the state takes on the role of a regulator on the market, it creates itself powers which can be used for good and ill - so the inevitable happens: the administration gets filled with people who abuse the power of the state to ensure their continued stay in power - by paying off their industrial and financial backers with subsidies and punishing their competition with taxes and regulations.

When the liberals step behind the wheel the same cronyism is sold as redistribution in the name of social justice, and while the conservatives are in power the story is job creation and growth of industry. Neither actually does what it says on the label because the system corrupts itself.

May 24, 2019
The reason why the system corrupts itself is that when politicians get in power, before they can do anything else, they have to ensure that their policies aren't just instantly reversed by the next guy. The system of government forms a political organism that has an instinct of survival, and it is this survival motive - the need to stay in power - that causes the corruption

This happens in a political system where the government is mainly acting by reaction or reform through arbitrary decrees (regulations) rather than through fundamental rule of law. It's a game of whack-a-mole and everyone's fighting over who gets to wield the mallet.

In contrast, a government operating through the rule of law isn't dependent on who is in power, because the law is based on multilateral reasoning and debate across party lines - it is resilient against cronyism. It is also not conductive to progressivism, because the role of the state is different: not reformative, but foundational.

May 24, 2019
So when you look at who's to blame for the current situation, you can only look back to the New Deal which is the point in history when the US government and political system made a large shift in role from the previous forms of constitutionalism to the modern forms of progressivism and re-defined itself as the active manager of society rather than the ruling judge of social matters.


May 24, 2019
Eikka
because the tax revenue isn't earmarked for particular spending purposes
Well here was my statement
And the revenue is then used in large part to build and maintain roads
Which is totally supported by the facts - https://www.cato....versions

Federal fuel taxes and vehicle fees raise about $41 billion per year. About 20 percent of those funds (about $8 billion) are diverted to transit and other nonhighway uses


Eikka
When the liberals step behind the wheel the same cronyism is sold as redistribution
Does it matter what you call it? It is crony capitalism. And you conservatives squeal like stuck pigs - when it does not support your favorites - but go silent when it does.
The point of the government playing favorites by granting some corporations money is a separate issue and on that question I am very much against
But you are silent when the crony capitalism favors nukes, or fossil fuels - hypocrite....

May 24, 2019
Eikka
ALL forms of energy except renewables (excl. hydro) are taxed more than they receive in subsidies
Can you support that assertion with data? Also bear in mind that renewables are the new kid - and just gaining their foot hold against the legacy industries. If you had looked at the subsidies nukes were paid in the 1950's - you would probably have a similar situation to renewables today. But it all does not matter. Renewables are being subsidized - because they are the future - and the gubermint is (appropriately in my view) - participating in guiding the market. If you don't believe the government should be guiding markets - where is your outrage over subsidies to fossil fuels and nukes? The PRINCIPLE is the point here - not who gets the most. That is a chickenshit cop out - that you and MR love to play. Renewables subsidies are being phased out. Oh you forgot that little gem - didn't you?

May 25, 2019
Grotesque Fiasco:
"Germany's renewables experiment is rapidly collapsing. Wind turbines are having massive impacts on birds, bats, insects. Wind/solar producing too little energy when needed, too much when not. Electricity costs skyrocketing. It's time to bring back nuclear" - May 24, 2019
"Protest movements against what is seen as environmental vandalism are sprouting like mushrooms. Even the German Nature and Biodiversity Conservation Union (NABU) is beginning to reconsider its position on wind turbines, owing to the loss of insects, birds, and bats on a massive scale."
"...the country is already littered with so many wind turbines – some of them nearly 250 meters (820 feet) high – that even its most beautiful vistas are coming to resemble industrial landscapes."
"Hence, no matter how many wind- and solar-powered plants Germany builds, it still cannot dismantle its conventional plants."
http://www.projec...-2019-05

May 25, 2019
CleanTechnica: ""Collapse" Of German Onshore Wind Is "Jeopardizing" German & EU Renewable Targets" - May 13th, 2019
https://cleantech...targets/
"A Dollar Spent on Wind/Solar Power Capacity Is A Dollar Wasted"

"Germany will not meet its carbon emissions targets in 2020 despite spending billions of euros"
http://www.dailyt...b5ef872e
The target should be emission reduction instead of installed-capacity. Wind and solar are trillion-dollar fiascos, ecological disasters.

British steel is in big trouble. Electricity costs in the UK are rising thanks to intermittent renewables.
"Any financial help would come just weeks after the company was given funds of around £100 million to pay its European Union carbon bill." - May 14, 2019
https://www.stand...046.html

May 25, 2019
the whole economies are subsidized in the trilllions

May 25, 2019
Willie Ward should read articles before posting them -
the primary obstacle to onshore wind development is the German permitting process, which used to only take 10 months but can now take over two years
So the problem is bureaucracy - and not technical. So the fix will come.
They've a clear opportunity to figure things out now with their 'Public Acceptance Working Group
In other words - they are working on the problem.
Countries throughout Europe are finding they can adopt renewables faster than they once thought as renewable energy prices fall, energy storage expands, and system operators manage weeks or even months with 100% renewables on their power grids
The future is now Willie - sad that you missed it. https://qz.com/15...in-2018/

May 26, 2019
British steel is in big trouble
Once again - did you even try to read the article you posted? It said nothing about electricity prices. Here was the assertion regarding the cause of British Steels woes -
, the uncertainties around Brexit are posing challenges for all businesses including British Steel


Of course - your solution would be 12.5 cents Kwh Hinkley Point power - that's a great idea Wille (sarcasm).
In return, it was guaranteed a power price of up to 92.50 pounds per megawatt-hour for 35 years, more than twice the market rate when signed
Did you read that Willie? More than TWICE the market rate. Good going Willie. No wonder you can't show us a cost curve on nukes - or any real world data. https://www.reute...CN1PB2II

May 27, 2019
Renewables are a scam, after scam ... after scam, endless scams.
"Medicine Hat shuts down $13 million solar plant after it couldn't produce enough energy" - May 25, 2019
"A solar power plant intended on testing the feasibility of solar energy was shut down after the cost to maintain the facility didn't justify the plant's energy output."
https://www.thepo...-energy/
"Tesla's trumpeted solar shingles are a flop" - May 15, 2019
https://www.techn...-a-flop/
"If energy policy were based on reason and engineering, 97% of the solar panels / wind turbines out there wouldn't even exist."

Solar and wind only exist to steal taxpayers' money(through subsidies/tax incentives) and to favor coal/oil/gas/fracking over Hydro and carbon-free nuclear.

...The future is now...
Green sociopaths are good in promoting old tech as it were new.

May 27, 2019
...So the problem is bureaucracy - and not technical. So the fix will come...
The problem is the laws of physics/thermodynamics/electrochemistry/economics / basic math. Not even those who propagandize the so-called "cheap" solar/wind use/buy it.

RE advocates are so intellectually dishonest, worse than the old "snake oil salesmen".
https://pbs.twimg...Yppi.jpg
https://pbs.twimg...jb0Q.png
https://pbs.twimg...RvbN.jpg

Biomass, wind and solar, cause more ecological impacts than reduce emissions.
"Replacing fossil fuels with bioenergy only takes us backwards, continuing our addiction to burning and extraction, and causing extensive ecological damage."
"The bioenergy delusion" - May 21, 2019
https://theecolog...delusion

May 27, 2019
The problem is the laws of physics
Not according to the article you linked. Which laws of physics say that a wind turbine cannot produce electricity?

Biomass, wind and solar, cause more ecological impacts than reduce emissions
As usual - outrageous claims - without any support.

So where is that cost curve on nukes Willie? The one that is going to make the British tax payer spend 12.5 cents a Kwh for electricity - for the next 35 years. As the cost of wind and solar keep faaaaaaaaling....


May 27, 2019
"Unreliables" are like socialism, their end goal is to throw poor people into more misery and oppression.
"Rising electricity prices are forcing Britain's poorest to underheat their homes"
http://www.thegwp...ir-homes
"UK electricity quality drops as renewable share rises"
http://uk.reuters...20131009
"The rise in renewables is making failure more probable."
http://eandt.thei...wer-cuts
"UK energy generation increasingly reliant on UNRELIABLES = monumental fail...."
http://www.herald...r-energy

"Make no mistake, anti-nuclear politicians and activists do not care about the environment. They care about preventing the people from having access to massive amounts of clean power. They want to control YOU."

May 27, 2019
"Rising electricity prices are forcing Britain's poorest to underheat their homes
And your solution is to make their situation a thousand times worse - by making them buy electricity at TWICE the market rate. Nice going Willie.
Make no mistake, PRO-nuclear politicians and activists do not care about the environment. They care about preventing the people from having access to massive amounts of cheap clean renewable power. They want to control YOU
Fixed it for you Willie. Please note that I am not anti nuclear. I am anti lies. If nuclear can deliver power as cheap as wind and solar - then bring it on. But you won't show us a cost curve for nukes - will you Willie. You know what it will show - and you don't want anyone to see the man behind the curtain - do you?

May 28, 2019
Rising electricity prices are forcing Britain's poorest to underheat their homes

And you are blaming renewable energy! The point is that Britain has made a commitment to retire it's coal fleet. In 1960 - 80% of their power came from coal - https://poweringp...-kingdom
Here's the point that Willie Liar will not tell you. WHATEVER generating source was chosen to replace that coal - would have cost a lot of money. Closing coal plants early - costs a lot of money. Willie refuses to show any numbers on the cost of nuclear - cuz liar Willie knows that replacing those coal plants with nukes - would have cost MORE than replacing them with renewables. Hinkley Point = 12.5 cents Kwh. It's as simple as that.

May 28, 2019
"Six years later, the evidence that solar and wind are increasing electricity prices in the real world, often without reducing emissions, is piling up."
"But there is a growing consensus among economists and independent analysts that solar and wind are indeed making electricity more expensive for two reasons: they are unreliable, thus requiring 100% back-up, and energy-dilute, thus requiring extensive land, transmission lines, and mining."

"We Shouldn't Be Surprised Renewables Make Energy Expensive Since That's Always Been The Greens' Goal" - May 27, 2019
"The goal of European Greens and US environmentalists has long been to make energy more expensive."
https://www.forbe...ns-goal/

Sunlight and Breeze are free and renewable, but
solar panels and windmills, as well batteries and transmission lines, don't grow on trees and don't last forever.

May 28, 2019
solar panels and windmills, as well batteries and transmission lines, don't grow on trees and don't last forever.
And nukes do???? Notice you never answer the question about the COST of nukes. You dance - and lie - but you NEVER address the cost of nukes.
Joshua Rhodes, a Forbes contributor on all things energy, explains in this article that renewables are not to blame for high electricity rates. When adjusted for inflation, the price of generating electricity has actually fallen. A number of factors are influencing electricity rates in the U.S. – including record natural gas production and weather variability – but the diversity renewables bring to the power grid has certainly helped, rather than hurt, electricity prices. https://www.choos...pensive/

May 30, 2019
Carbon-free nuclear plants can last over 60 years, even centuries with new designs.
Solar panels and wind turbines were to last 25-30 years, in practice 12-15 years, in most cases they are discontinued before 5 years.
"...spent $8,000...rooftop solar...expected would last for at least 25 years. It only lasted four and a half years." - May 2019
https://www.abc.n...11139856

"...sunlight is energy-dilute, solar panels are the most extractive of all energy resources, requiring 17 times the resources as nuclear while returning just 2% the energy invested."
"It was predictable that renewables with such a low return-on-energy-invested would fail to produce enough energy to make recycling worthwhile..."
"...it was predictable that such unreliable technologies would make energy so expensive, and they did."
"But it turns out that only nuclear can produce sufficient clean energy to power a circular economy."

May 30, 2019
Carbon-free nuclear plants can last over 60 years
Sure. So what? You dance around every topic - but never address the COST of nukes. Who want 60 years of 12.5 cents a Kwh. Wonder what the price of wind and solar will be 25 years from now. While Willie is happy to watch the duped British public support the French and Chinese con artists.
Ohio state lawmakers are moving ahead on a bill that would gut the state's renewable energy and energy efficiency funding in order to bail out nuclear power plants
If nukes are so great Willie - how come they are a bottomless pit of bail outs? Maybe cuz they can't compete in an open market? https://www.green...s.f66siy

May 31, 2019
What matters is the final cost.
Intermittent renewables are causing the electricity prices to become costlier mainly for poor families, while carbon-free nuclear energy is much more affordable.
"If Saving The Climate Requires Making Energy So Expensive, Why Is French Electricity So Cheap?" - Feb 2019
"why, if making energy expensive is required to reduce emissions, does France generate less than one-tenth the carbon emissions of Germany at nearly half the cost?"
https://www.forbe...o-cheap/

"The problem with nuclear is that it solves our biggest problems: poverty, climate & even war. As such, it deprives elites a moral basis for demanding control over resources, economies, and populations"
https://quillette...ear-era/

May 31, 2019
If solar and wind are so cheap and good at replacing fossil fuels, why do green sociopaths(RE "snake oil salesmen"/charlatans) continue explicitly advocating for NatGas(methane: worse than CO2)?
Because sunshine&breeze unicorn energy(that not even they use/buy it) is just a 'decorative facade' to keep the expansion of the gas(fracking) industry over carbon-free nuclear energy.
RenewEconomy:
"..natural gas generators have low fixed costs, but high marginal costs and are much quicker to start and ramp."
"..the economic characteristics of gas mean that it is better suited to meet the more variable and dynamic portion of electricity demand."
https://renewecon...id-60622
https://pbs.twimg...sduh.jpg
https://pbs.twimg...jORG.jpg

May 31, 2019
Intermittent renewables are causing the electricity prices to become costlier mainly for poor families
Stop lying. Firstly - increased electricity costs impact all economic levels. Secondly
renewable energy technologies being the lowest cost electricity source in a majority of countries, with solar PV projects recording particularly dramatic falls
What is causing electricity prices to rise in countries like the U.K. - is their commitment to phasing out fossil fuels. If they transitioned to nuclear - the cost increases would be even greater. You just can't stop lying. https://renewecon...l-87815/

Jun 01, 2019
Transitioning an energy system is an expensive - but necessary journey.
We're still a decade or two away from being able to really fully get off of gas, but it's coming soon,"
So the world's fifth largest economy says you are wrong Willie. It is going to take time - but it is happening. Renewables are certainly kicking nukes ass. And the costs keep falling. Shame Willie will never talk about the cost of nukes....https://www.green...s.g2ovdu

Jun 03, 2019
...Renewables are certainly kicking nukes ass...
"renewable" = "natural gas"
100% renewables = 80% fracked gas + 20% intermittent renewables

...Transitioning an energy system is an expensive...
France have transitioned to carbon-free nuclear with much less money, in much less time & with much less ecological impacts.
Now in France, as happened in Germany, the faux-greens want to replace carbon-free nuclear by their Eco-hypocritical energy solution: bird-choppers/land-intensive monstrosities backed up by natural gas(methane: worse than CO2) to compensate intermittencies.

Energiewende = trillion-euro fiasco:
"The coal exit comes in my opinion far too late... the priorities have been set wrong... If climate protection is important to us, the nuclear power plants should run longer." ~ Volkswagen chief.
https://www.tages...208.html
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Jun 03, 2019
France have transitioned to carbon-free nuclear with much less money, in much less time & with much less ecological impacts
Really? So how come they are now transitioning to renewables?
Two EPR reactors under construction in France and Finland are years behind schedule and billions of euros over budget
Which is why Macron has committed to dropping the % of nuclear from 75% - down to 50% - and it is highly unlikely they will build any new reactors. https://www.reute...8N1YF5HC

See Willie - you can only argue yesterday's information - which you obviously know is dishonest - but if you try to deal with today's information - your precious nukes look pretty expensive - and basically dinosaurs. But hey - if you get any up to date information on nuclear's cost curves - feel free to share!!!

Jun 06, 2019
"...Which is why Macron has committed to dropping the % of nuclear from 75% - down to 50% ..."
To favor coal/oil/gas/fracking because solar/wind not even who propagandize it use/buy it.
solar/wind = 20% solar/wind + 80% coal/oil/gas/fracking to compensate intermittencies

"Solar and wind are good for four things: sucking up subsidies. Putting money on the pockets of solar/wind sellers. Raising the costs of electricity. Ensuring dependence on fossil fuels."

"French farmers say their cattle are dying from electricity generated by wind turbines, solar panels"
https://www.thebl...ctricity
"French farmers say wind turbines and solar panels have killed hundreds of their cows"
https://www.daily...ows.html
https://www.oddit...nce.html

Jun 06, 2019
To favor coal/oil/gas/fracking
No - to favor the tax payers of France - who have to foot the bill. https://futurism....y-france
The French government just announced a plan to power 95 percent of the country with solar and wind energy by 2060. And by doing so, the government would spend about $44.5 billion (39 billion euros) less than it would if it maintained its current energy infrastructure.
French farmers say wind turbines and solar panels have killed hundreds of their cows
Yes Willie - the electricity leaks into the ground and kills the cows. Ha ha ha - you are such a laughing stock. Quoting the daily mail! Did q-anon tell you about that article? ha ha ha ha.....

Jun 06, 2019
...The French government just announced a plan to power 95 percent of the country with solar and wind energy by 2060...
A big economy powered 95% by sunshine&breeze unicorn energy?
Just cite a small place(>10,000 inhabitants) powered at least 1/3(~30%) by solar and wind parasitizing hydro/geothermal/biomass instead of coal/oil/gas, not connected to a fossil-fueled grid(e.g. Scotland), not having abundant supply of cheap coal / fracked gas to be "greenwashed" by intermittent renewables(e.g. Oklahoma), and having affordable electricity prices. But you can't; without lying, you can't. LOL.

Solar/wind propagandists are modern "snake oil salesmen", not even they use/buy it.

"If Saving The Climate Requires Making Energy So Expensive, Why Is French Electricity So Cheap?" - Feb 2019
https://www.forbe...o-cheap/

Jun 06, 2019
A big economy powered 95% by sunshine&breeze unicorn energy?
Why - Willie liar? Why is that your metric? Show us a big economy - powered 95% by nuclear? so what is your point?
If Saving The Climate Requires Making Energy So Expensive, Why Is French Electricity So Cheap
Because many years ago - France chose to invest heavily in nuclear energy. Today - the tide has turned against nuclear - and renewables are now cheaper than nukes. Transitioning off of fossil fuels is going to cost us - what ever replacement we choose. That is why France is now backing renewables.

Hey Willie - got any more Daily Mail articles to make us laugh? The electricity leaks out of the wind turbines - and electrocutes the cows - ha ha ha ha - you crack us up here Willie liar. Next you dummies will be telling us wind turbines cause cancer. Ha ha ha ha Willie - you crack us up. https://www.buzzf...er-myths

Jun 08, 2019
France is a big economy and is almost 80% powered by carbon-free nuclear.
100% carbon-free nuclear energy is possible, but of course the faux-greens prefer coal/oil/gas/fracking "greenwashed" by intermittent renewables(bird-choppers/land-intensive monstrosities).

"A brutal example of why 100% renewables can't work" in a world of limted Hydro. - Fev 2019
https://www.cfact...nt-work/

~1000GW of installed-capacity globally at cost of trillions of dollars & huge ecological impacts with almost nothing to show at reducing emissions / dependence on coal/oil/gas.
"Latest data shows steep rises in CO2 for seventh year" - Jun 2019
"The concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has increased by the second highest annual rise in the past six decades..."
https://www.thegu...nth-year
Carbon-free nuclear has done much more with much less money.

Jun 08, 2019
...wind turbines cause cancer...
https://www.buzzf...er-myths ...
"No, Wind Farms Don't Cause Cancer"? Think again.
Wind and "Solar Emits 40 Times More Radiation Per Unit of Energy Than Nuclear (Due To Mining "Rare Earth" Metals)"
https://pbs.twimg...CgZl.jpg
From Table 45, P 210, of https://www.unsce...CORR.pdf

People are more likely to contract cancer by installing/cleaning up solar panels/windmills than working at carbon-free nuclear power plants.
"Exposure to solar radiation kills as many as 18,000 Americans per year."
"...no examples ...in the west who have died due to exposure to radiation from civilian nuclear power..."
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Jun 08, 2019
France is a big economy and is almost 80% powered by carbon-free nuclear
But your metric was 95% - so I guess you failed. And France is now reducing it's use of nuclear - going to be down to 50% before too long. Just shows how nukes are not economically viable.
Exposure to solar radiation kills as many as 18,000 Americans per year
Which has nothing to do with electricity production - so just another straw man from Willie the liar. Hey Willie - how much electricity leaks into the ground every day - from 2 MW wind turbine? Maybe you should write a paper on electricity leakage from wind turbines - the Daily Mail would love to publish you....


Jun 09, 2019
...And France is now reducing it's use of nuclear ...down to 50% ...nukes are not economically viable...
But gas(fracking) is economically viable because it spews its wastes directly into the air and doesn't pay for it.
wind/solar = 20% wind/solar + 80% fracked gas to compensate intermittencies.

...going to be down to 50%...
For instance:
if you have 50% hydro and want complement it with solar/wind, anyway you will have to have 100% coal/gas-fired backup plants to compensate fluctuations of sun/wind production & demand all time and also during prolonged droughts.
"Intermittent sources like all wind and all solar need firm backup to 100% of their capacity. So, if you have to build the firm backup anyway, what do you need wind and solar for? Nothing."

"In an energy-hungry world, natural gas gaining the most"
http://www.axios....cb7.html
"renewable" = "natural gas" (methane: worse than CO2)

Jun 09, 2019
..France is now reducing it's use of nuclear...down to 50%..
Why France? Did you forget Germany?
Why don't you green sociopaths(maniac compulsive pathological liars, "snake oil salesmen") go back to Germany to promote again your bird-choppers/land-intensive monstrosities ('decorative facades' for coal/oil/gas for displacing carbon-free nuclear) that costed hundreds of billions of euros and huge ecological impacts with almost nothing to show at reducing emissions/dependence on fossil fuels?

"Germany faces growing calls to delay phase-out of nuclear energy" - Jun 6, 2019
http://www.telegr...r-energy
"In Germany, biogas production has killed 17 people since 2005
Nuclear produces more electricity than biogas and has never killed anybody in Germany
Germany is scaling up biogas and phasing out nuclear"
http://www.spiege...091.html

Jun 09, 2019
Why France? Did you forget Germany?
No - I am aware of Germany - I was just responding to your nonsense. Now Germany is a very unique case - right? They made a decision to close their nukes (I would not have done that) - and they are paying the price. But the program is very popular - and giving the whole world some lessons in transitioning to renewables. So the transition is happening - and you are left in the dust bin of history. It does not help that you are a clueless liar.

So how much electricity leaks into the ground from a 2 MW wind turbine Willie? Be careful not to walk near any wind turbines Willie - the leaked electricity might give you cancer!

Jun 09, 2019
In Germany, biogas production has killed 17 people since 2005
Oh no - 17 people. But look at this statistic Willie.

3,630 people in Germany died from coal-related illnesses in 2013


So replacing all the coal plants with bio gas would be a really good idea. Thanks Willie.

Hey - how much electricity leaks into the ground from a wind turbine? :-))))

Jun 10, 2019
...Now Germany is a very unique case...
Germany is the general case.
Intermittent renewables are like socialism, they have failed in every attempt everywhere, but even so "there's a sucker born every minute" to be brainwashed to believe solar and wind are solutions although not even those who propagandize them use/buy them.

3,630 people in Germany died from coal-related illnesses in 2013
Because without coal, Germans freeze to death at night or cloudy/snowy/windless days mainly during the Winter when sunshine&breeze is on vacation.

If it isn't coal, then it's gas.
"EIA: natural gas-fired reciprocating engines are being deployed more to balance renewables" - Feb 20, 2019
http://www.greenc...eia.html

"Renewables are the fastest growing sources of electricity. Yet the increase in CO2 accelerates."
http://www.thegua...nth-year
Solar and wind are trillion-dollar fiascos.

Jun 10, 2019
Germany is the general case.
That response shows how little you know about the subject. Germany made a decision to close their nuclear power plants on a very short time scale. Germany started investing heavily in wind and solar - long ago - when they were very expensive. Germany has blazed the trail - but they are paying a high financial cost. That was their decision - and it does not make them the 'general case.'

Each country/region is totally unique. Iceland/Portugal/Britain/Germany/Scotland - all have very unique circumstances. You are really clueless.

Suggesting that wind turbines leak electricity that kills cows. What a maroon.

Jun 13, 2019
...Germany started investing heavily in wind and solar...
"Germany started investing heavily in wind and solar" and has nothing to show at reducing emissions /dependence on coal/oil/gas.
It's not a question whether solar/wind is expensive or not. Or a matter of technology. It's more an issue of physics/thermodynamics/electrochemistry/ basic math.
Windmills, sails, solar cookers, solar/wind dryers(clotheslines), are medieval technologies.

Fun fact: it's infinitely much cheaper, ecological & energy-efficient to use a clothesline than an electric dryer powered by solar panels/windmills.
http://pbs.twimg....sP0A.jpg

Iceland/Portugal/Britain/Germany/Scotland
You green sociopaths(maniac compulsive pathological liars) have only as showcase countries/states mostly powered by Hydro or connected to regional fossil-fueled grids or mostly powered NatGas(a fossil fuel) playing role as "renewable".

Wind turbines are interconnected by underground transmission lines.

Jun 13, 2019
Wind turbines are interconnected by underground transmission lines.
So are houses. So are some countries. And they have this little thing called insulation on them - that stops them leaking electricity into the ground. Oklahoma and Texas have a lot of wind turbines - and a lot of cows. No dead cows in this part of the world. What a moron - it is as bad as your dear leader - announcing that wind turbines cause cancer. Your stupid knows no upper limit.
Windmills, sails, solar cookers, solar/wind dryers(clotheslines), are medieval technologies
So is the wheel Should we not drive cars? Solar panels, and wind turbines are very advanced technological pieces of equipment. Shame you can't read - you would know that.

Jun 14, 2019
RE charlatans("snake oil salesmen") never stop surprising us.
Lignite & brown coal as "not coal".
"Astonishing. It seems that with Germany's Energiewende failure, renewable energy rentseekers are spinning Lignite and brown coal as "not coal"."
"Lignite and brown-coal. Not coal. Getting coal out was a first step. Same way we did this in Belgium."
https://pbs.twimg...mW00.jpg
https://twitter.c...68141056

"Costa Rica is extolled for its "99% renewables" electricity production - predominantly (78%) from hydropower (due to its unique topography)."
"Less known is that just short of 70% of Costa Rica's overall energy consumption is from fossil fuels."
https://pbs.twimg...c3aP.jpg
https://www.indep...111.html

Solar panels & windmills are pieces of shit.
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Jun 14, 2019
Solar panels & windmills are pieces of shit
Cuz you think they leak electricity into the ground, and kill all the cows - cuz you are a moron.

Mean time - France is developing yet another gigawatt of wind power - https://cleantech...nd-farm/
Vietnam installing a gigawatt - https://cleantech...by-2021/
Record wind output in S. Australia - https://renewecon...t-10106/
Germany generates 54% of electricity from renewables in March - https://www.renew...rch.html

No Willie - it's not the turbines that are a piece of shit - it is people who lie - and say they kill cows.

Jun 15, 2019
...Mean time - France is developing yet another gigawatt of wind power...
"another gigawatt of wind power" that need to be paired by another gigawatt of coal/oil/gas/fracking.
"Intermittent sources like all wind and all solar need firm backup to 100% of their capacity. So, if you have to build the firm backup anyway, what do you need wind and solar for? Nothing."
"Every turbine and solar panel put up needs back up. Two systems. Two costs. Two carbon footprints. Not much saved of anything in reality."

"France is already seeing its electricity prices rise as a result of deploying more solar and wind."
https://www.forbe...ing-too/

"Why do so many people in France hate wind farms?" - Aug 2018
https://www.thelo...-so-much

"installed-capacity" ≠ "emissions avoided"
wind and solar are trillion-dollar fiascos

Jun 15, 2019
that need to be paired by another gigawatt of coal/oil/gas/fracking
Nope - already showed you a thousand times - if you look at countries like UK - that are far ahead on the transition - and their coal and gas use is down, and their renewable use is up. UK plans to be carbon free by 2050 - then what lies will you be telling?
Why do so many people in France hate wind farms?
They don't but you can't even read your own links.
polls show the French are overall in favour of wind power
The Energiewende has overwhelming support; 92% of Germans support renewables in general (compared with about 80% in the UK)
Wow - look at all that made up opposition - maybe you think they believe you and the Donald - lying about wind killing cows, and causing cancer. Your bosses in the FF industry must be really really scared of renewable energy Wille. Come to think of it - they should be....


Jun 16, 2019
...their coal and gas use is down, and their renewable use is up...
Because demand is down thanks to penetration of intermittent renewables renewables into the grid, making electricity more expensive for poor families.

"Rising electricity prices are forcing Britain's poorest to underheat their homes"
https://www.thegw...r-homes/
"UK energy generation increasingly reliant on UNRELIABLES = monumental fail...."
"Scotland was importing up to 1000 MW from England and the UK concurrently some 3500 MW from Europe whilst e depended on gas providing us with up to 59 per cent of our electricity. " - May 3, 2019
https://www.heral...-energy/
"In Britain, the price of residential electricity increased by 27 percent[16] in just a decade. Germany and Britain both have heavily invested in wind power and have higher residential electricity prices..."

Jun 16, 2019
Urban people support intermittent renewables because they have been systematically brainwashed by the leftist/socialist(pro-poverty) media in the pocket of coal/oil/gas/fracking vested interests.
But 99.99% of industrial wind/solar farms(bird-choppers/land-intensive monstrosities) are being installed in rural areas.
"Massive East Coast solar project generates fury from neighbors" - Feb 2019
https://www.foxne...virginia

Wind/solar is free.
Free to kill as many eagles as they like
Free to kill as many birds & bats as they like
Free to charge record high prices & not deliver a zac of electricity.
Free to vacuum up taxpayer money via corrupt schemes
Free to destroy neighbours health

"The more you know about renewables, the less you like them. The more you know about nuclear, the more you like it. The only thing holding us back is ignorance, superstition and fear of the unknown."
"Neighbors like nuclear power"

Jun 16, 2019
The only thing holding us back is ignorance, superstition and fear of the unknown
You forgot to mention cost (of course). https://finance.y...377.html
as their local governments pour more and more money into nuclear plant subsidies only to see the nuclear industry come back with palms outstretched again and again
But hey - 90% of the folks in Germany are wrong - and an internet moron who thinks wind turbines leak electricity into the ground and kill cows - must be right!!!!

I know a lot about renewables Willie - and I love em. So do 80% of the Brits - and 90% of the Germans. Maybe you should take a class in critical thinking skills.

Jun 17, 2019
...I know a lot about renewables ... - and I love em...
By "renewable" you mean "natural gas" which prevents you and your family from freezing to death at night or on cloudy/snowy/windless days mainly during the Winter when energy is most needed and sunshine&breeze are on vacation, and also compensates fluctuations of production and demand by running uninterruptedly(24/7/365) all time.
"Oklahoma is one of the top natural gas-producing states in the nation, accounting for 7.6% of U.S. gross production and 8.7% of marketed production in 2016"
https://www.eia.g.../?sid=OK
- Oklahoma(wind): 431gCO₂/kWh
- Ontario(nuclear): 25gCO₂/kWh

...90% of the folks in Germany are wrong...
Germans are being brainwashed by the mainstream mass media(in the pocket of coal & gas/fracking vested interests).
"Germany Is Wrong About Nuclear Power"
http://www.bloomb...ar-power

Jun 17, 2019
By "renewable" you mean "natural gas
No - I mean wind/solar/geothermal/wave/tidal/hydro etc. etc.
which prevents you and your family from freezing to death at night
And you and your family - so you have no point.
Germans are being brainwashed by the mainstream mass media
Nope - they are living through the transition - and they are loving it.
Oklahoma is one of the top natural gas-producing states in the nation
And we produce a lot of wind. So what's your point? Every Mwh of wind generated - is one Mwh that FF's don't generate. It is called a transition Willie. It may take 100 years - but it is well under way. Oh look Willie - a U.S. offshore wind boom - https://www.green...s.j2foct
Can't say that about your overpriced nukes can you?

Jun 17, 2019
...I mean wind/solar/geothermal/wave/tidal/hydro etc. etc...
Hydro is included/excluded when it's convenient by sunshine&breeze cultists. Most of RE fans hate hydro dams. Geothermal releases more radiation than nuclear; nuclear is one that releases less radiation into environment, it's all safely contained.

Wind/solar/wave/tidal are useless placebos; not even those who propagandize them use them, e.g. Greenpeace uses tons of diesel/gasoline/kerosene to power their ships, inflatable motorboats, helicopters, private jets.

...Every Mwh of wind generated - is one Mwh that FF's don't generate...
"Renewables are the fastest growing sources of electricity. Yet the increase in CO2 accelerates? When will people appreciate what's wrong here?"
"Latest data shows steep rises in CO2 for seventh year" - Jun 2019
https://www.thegu...nth-year

"A Dollar Spent on Wind/Solar Power Capacity Is A Dollar Wasted"

Jun 17, 2019
Shell investing on intermittent renewables? No surprise.
Wind and solar are excellent 'facades' for oil/gas/fracking industry in order to displace Hydro and carbon-free nuclear.
Wise words: "If you have interests in the coal / natural gas industry then by all accounts promote solar panels / wind turbines."

Jun 17, 2019
If you have interests in the coal / natural gas industry then by all accounts promote solar panels / wind turbines
If you are stupid (yes we know you are). -
It appears that banks, insurance companies, hedge funds, utilities and other operators in advanced economies are exiting the coal business
https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/coal-power-investment-climate-change-asia-china-india-iea-report-a8914866.html
Natural gas seems poised to join coal as another fuel that just couldn't compete with renewables
https://www.desmogblog.com/2019/02/22/inevitable-death-natural-gas-bridge-fuel-renewables

You have no idea about the subject you are pretending you are and expert on. Your stupidity knows no upper limit. You can't see the long game - which is the death of fossil fuels and nukes - cuz renewables kick their ass on price/pollution/and climate change.

Jun 17, 2019
Latest data shows steep rises in CO2 for seventh year
That's right Willie - Nukes have had 70 years to show they can lower C02 - and they have FAILED... So now renewables have to step in and do the heavy lifting. Don't worry - they can handle it. Just look - UK is planning to be carbon neutral by 2050 - https://www.bbc.c...48596775

Thanks of course to their leadership in investing in renewable energy!!!!!!

Jun 18, 2019
Increased use of renewable energy in the state has had the combined effect of lower prices and reduced volumes of energy sales for Synergy
The company is also reportedly under pressure from its long-term contract with the Gorgon gas project that has locked in high gas costs
See Willie - FF out - cheap carbon free renewables in. Don't you love it when a plan comes together? You just have to play the long game. Shame you can't appreciate a well executed plan. https://renewecon...s-86897/

Jun 19, 2019
Natural gas seems poised to join coal as another fuel that just couldn't compete with renewables...
In real life: renewables = 80% natural gas + 20% intermittent renewables

"...couldn't compete with renewables..."?
Solar/Wind Advocates are indeed modern "snake oil salesmen".

"...The Inevitable Death of Natural Gas..."
The same was said about coal. But coal isn't dead in Germany and nowhere; in most cases it was replaced by 'renewable'(natural gas).

"...between high gas costs and falling renewable prices..."
RenewEconomy? Are you serious?

UK is planning to be carbon neutral by 2050
Scotland is already realizing that butchering birds & bats in midair doesn't help to reduce emissions.
"Scotland urged to invest in nuclear to hit climate goals" -Jun 17, 2019
"Electricity production may need to increase fourfold to decarbonise the transport system and heating"
https://www.thegu...te-goals

Jun 19, 2019
But coal isn't dead in Germany and nowhere
Except that Scotland closed it's last coal plant in 2016 - dummy. https://thinkprog...5f4d190/ And Britain will be coal free by 2025 - http://www.climat...-by-2025

So you are again wrong Willie - coal is dead in some places - and across the world it is dying. But as any smart person knows - an energy transition takes time (maybe 100 years) - and it is not a transition to nukes is it?

Hey look - 1.2 GW of solar - at 3.6 cents Kwh. Sure beats your 12.5 cents from Hinkley point - dummy.

Jun 19, 2019
RenewEconomy? Are you serious?
You quote the Daily Mail - and say that wind turbines leak electricity and kill cows - and you DARE question when I quote web sites that present factual stories that can be verified any time you want. Your stupid cow killing story can't be verified - cuz it is tin foil hat crazy conspiracy bull shit. Just like you leader Trumps assertion that turbines give you cancer. How dare YOU quote the Daily Mail.

Jun 19, 2019
...coal is dead in some places - and across the world it is dying...
If it isn't coal then it's gas that prevents people from freezing in the dark when wind isn't blowing or sun isn't shining or during prolonged droughts.
Coal is being replaced by natural gas(methane: worse than CO2) "greenwashed" by intermittent renewables(bird-choppers/land-intensive monstrosities).

"KILLING THE EARTH TO 'SAVE' IT : Rainforest Trees Cut Down To Make Way For Industrial Wind Turbines" - Jun 15, 2019
https://climatism...urbines/

...1.2 GW of solar - at 3.6 cents Kwh...
"3.6 cents Kwh" "batteries not included".
You are a typical RE "snake oil salesman".

Windmills and solar panels are worse than cancer:
- Rooftop solar installations in 2012: 440 deaths;
- Fukushima & Tree Mile Island: zero deaths from radiation exposure;
- Chernobyl: <60 deaths(most not related to radiation).

Jun 19, 2019
Windmills and solar panels are worse than cancer
Spoken like a true MAGA moron. Oh you forgot to take into account the mining of uranium - didn't you. Wonder how that happened!

To produce the 25 tonnes or so of uranium fuel needed to keep your average reactor going for a year entails the extraction of half a million tonnes of waste rock and over 100,000 tonnes of mill tailings. These are toxic for hundreds of thousands of years. The conversion plant will generate another 144 tonnes of solid waste and 1343 cubic metres of liquid waste.
Contamination of local water supplies around uranium mines and processing plants has been documented in Brazil, Colorado, Texas, Australia, Namibia and many other sites. To supply even a fraction of the power stations the industry expects to be online worldwide in 2020 would mean generating 50 million tonnes of toxic radioactive residues every single year
How convenient you did not know that - comes from reading the Daily Mail.

Jun 21, 2019
Windmills and solar panels are worse than cancer
"Solar panels don't last forever and degradation varies wildly, study says"
"Cycling test with efficiency degradation rates varying from 1% to 35%."
https://www.compu...dly.html

"Solar panels don't last forever"
but arsenides and other chemical carcinogens present in solar panels last forever, contaminating the environment.
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https://pbs.twimg...jmtY.jpg
https://uploads.d...5df0.jpg

... mining of uranium...
"Uranium is a by-product from copper, phosphate and rare earth mining."
"Copper is a major element for renewable energy"
https://pbs.twimg...QhYP.jpg
https://uploads.d...1b12.jpg

Jun 21, 2019
Solar panels don't last forever and degradation varies wildly, study says
But most panels are warrantied to stay above 80% - for 25 years.
https://www.solar...ls-last/

That's plenty of time to produce cheap - carbon free electricity. Much cheaper than nukes - and no radio active waste to worry about - or radio active tailing from the mining of uranium. Recycling of solar panels is already underway - so I would rather deal with recyling silicon solar panels - than baby sit all that radio active waste. Of course - when you believe that wind turbines leak electricity - that kills cows - and that they cause cancer - you are too stupid to really understand the facts.

Jun 21, 2019
Yep Willie - cheap wind and solar are squeezing out coal AND gas - https://cleantech...s-early/
...the closure highlights the stiff competition in California's deregulated energy market as cheap wind and solar supply more electricity, squeezing out fossil fuels. Some utilities say they have no plans to build more fossil plants, which is great news for the environment.


See Willie the long game - and real facts - not make believe shit about turbines killing cows.

Jun 22, 2019
But most panels are warrantied to stay above 80% - for 25 years.
Solar panels and wind turbines were theoretically to last 25-30 years, in practice 12-15 years, in some cases they are being discontinued before 5 years.
"..solar...expected...last...25 years...only lasted four and a half years." - May 2019
https://www.abc.n...11139856

...cheap wind and solar are squeezing out coal AND gas...
Take a look at UK:
The incredible progress that Solar/Wind has made in the past 10 years
with almost nothing to show at reducing emissions / dependence on coal/oil/gas.
Britain(wind/solar): 366 gCO2/kWh
France(carbon-free nuclear): 24 gCO2/kWh
https://pbs.twimg...vy1N.png

Just imagine IronMan powered by Sunshine&Breeze unicorn energy. LOL
https://pbs.twimg...GaKS.png
And the Eco-nuts believe it can power modern societies,
although not even they use/buy it. LOL

Jun 22, 2019
Battery of Europe.
French carbon-free nuclear is powering Europe because solar and wind are a joke at producing energy mainly when it's most needed.
http://pbs.twimg....YCP1.jpg

Germany's Energiewende: hundreds of billions of euros spent on bird-choppers/land-intensive monstrosities to achieve almost nothing at reducing emissions / dependence on coal/oil/gas.

Snake Oil Salesmen: "...cheap wind and solar are squeezing out coal AND gas..."
Sucker: "Batteries Included"?
Sucker: "What about Germany?"
CRICKETS
Snake Oil Salesmen: "Wait a minute. I'm fabricating another lie to deceive the suckers in order to continue stealing more and more taxpayers' money through subsidies/tax incentives."

"California is aiming for 100% clean energy. But Los Angeles might invest billions in fossil fuels" -Dec 2018
http://latimes.co...ory.html

"100% wind+solar electric power in California will cost $1 trillion for the batteries!"

Jun 22, 2019
Solar panels and wind turbines were theoretically to last 25-30 years
And they do last that long - which is why the solar panel companies warranty their product for 25 years - and the facts on the ground - as shown by my link - indicate the panels will more likely last for 30 - 35 years. At that point they can be recycled.
So what is the important point?
unsubsidised solar and wind easily beat coal and gas. Even the highest priced wind and solar is cheaper than the lowest cost estimate for coal
And the costs keep coming down. It is game over for ff Willie. What about nukes Willie - how much is electricity from a new Nuke? I can show you costs on wind and solar. Or do nukes leak electricity into the gound - and kill all the cows? Sheesh - what a moron.https://renewecon...y-60383/

Jun 22, 2019
Every day there are more nails in the coffins of coal, gas, and nukes.
Oyster Creek's fate was all but sealed years ago, when environmental groups and local stakeholders began drawing attention to its devastating impact on the ecosystem in Barnegat Bay.
So much for clean nukes huh Willie. Also -
Still to be settled is where to stash the spent fuel. Holtec anticipates building a facility in New Mexico for that, though critics are already raising environmental justice issues
Well - at least that will be one electricity leaking, cow killing nuke we can stop worrying about! What a moron. https://cleantech...ow-what/

Jun 22, 2019
California is aiming for 100% clean energy. But Los Angeles might invest billions in fossil fuels
And wind turbines leak electricity that kills cows - and Willie Ward believes in nuclear unicorn farts.... Well - you are wrong again Willie - LA is not going to rebuild those gas plants.
The city plans on phasing out the three units by 2029 and replacing their supply with 100 percent clean energy
Poor Willie - still out of touch with reality.
https://losangele...-energy/

Jun 23, 2019
..At that point they can be recycled..
Solar panels and windmills are simply being dumped directly into the environment because they have ERoI, i.e. they don't payback the energy(from fossil fuels) used to manufacture/transport/maintain/repair/recycle their components.

..unsubsidised solar and wind easily beat coal and gas..
If it were true, droves of people(including those who propagandize solar/wind) would be buying/installing solar panels/windmills/batteries to power their homes/electric cars and disconnecting from the grid.
But of course it's not true, because not even those who propagandize solar/wind buy/use these placebos. LOL

...Every day there are more nails in the coffins of coal, gas...
You are more delusional sociopath than gskam.
"While there's ongoing growth in #renewables, share of fossil fuels still at ~80%"
http://pbs.twimg....NPyE.png
"Renewables are the fastest growing sources of electricity. Yet the increase in CO2 accelerates"

Jun 23, 2019
...100 percent clean energy...
"Cleaner energy" is a joke.
Solar and wind don't need to pay for storage of all their waste(arsenides & other chemical carcinogens that never lose their toxicity with time), it is simply dumped directly into environment with full support of pseudo-environmentalists.
Intermittent renewables are "clean energy" if you ignore how windmills and solar panels, as well batteries, are manufactured, transported, maintained/cleaned/lubricated/repaired, recycled, discarded.
https://pbs.twimg...QhYP.jpg
https://pbs.twimg...TOWe.jpg
https://pbs.twimg...LhNf.jpg

"Module manufacturing accounted for over 84% of life cycle emissions from PV power."
https://pbs.twimg...NQ2P.jpg
https://www.scien...19300133
https://sciencing...393.html
https://pbs.twimg...V8gu.jpg


Jun 23, 2019
they don't payback the energy(from fossil fuels) used to manufacture/transport/maintain/repair/recycle their components
Just telling lies makes you an idiot Willie.

This places wind in a favorable position relative to fossil fuels, nuclear, and solar power generation technologies in terms of EROI


https://www.resea..._Systems

If it were true
But it is true - which is why every day we see reports of more wind and solar plants. Here is one example from this morning - https://renewecon...w-59340/

So how much nuclear power was added in Australia this morning Willie? I showed you a 4 GW wind plant. Show me a nuke. And guess what Wille? No kangaroos will be harmed by the electricity leaked by the wind turbines - cuz only a moron would believe such fairy stories.

Jun 23, 2019
..why every day we see reports of more wind and solar plants..
"why every day we see reports of more wind and solar plants"? Big industrial wind/solar plants built to act as 'decorative facades' to keep the expansion of the gas(fracking) industry over carbon-free nuclear.

People aren't stupid enough to waste their own hard-earned money on solar/wind useless placebos, because not even those who propagandize them use/buy them with their own money; they prefer to use others' money(through subsidies/tax incentives) aka "socialism".

ERoI:
Meta-Analysis ≠ Real Data

Industrial wind/solar farms: the more you know them the more you hate them.
99.99% of wind/solar farms(bird-choppers/land-intensive monstrosities) are being installed in rural areas.
"KILLING THE EARTH TO 'SAVE' IT : Rainforest Trees Cut Down To Make Way For Industrial Wind Turbines" - Jun 2019
http://climatism....turbines

Jun 23, 2019
People aren't stupid enough to waste their own hard-earned money on solar/wind
So how many people wasted their own money on nuclear? Show us the numbers Willie! The U.S. now has more than 2 million residential installations - and that is projected to double by 2023. Guess you don't know what you are talking about - yet again! https://www.green...s.kz4jtv

More than 2 GW of roof top solar in Australia - just this year - https://www.pv-ma...is-year/

Come on Willie - show us the roof top nukes you are so excited about - show us the numbers? We keep showing you the numbers on wind and solar - all you have to come back with is lies. Turbines killing cows - what a moron!

Jun 24, 2019
Bwah ha ha ha ha - GE is as dumb as Willie Ward - and lost $200 billion by not understanding the energy transition.
a recent analysis which estimates GE lost nearly $200 billion within a few years by betting on fossil fuels and failing to adjust to the global energy transition
Yeah Willie - how's that for decorative facade??? https://electrek....t-close/

Jun 25, 2019
..The U.S. now has more than 2 million residential installations - and that is projected to double by 2023..
What about the waste?
Carbon-free nuclear pays for its waste while solar panels/windmills (full of arsenides and other chemical carcinogens) are dumped directly into environment.

..More than 2 GW of roof top solar in Australia..
That need to be paired by another 2 GW from coal/gas-fired backup plants.
Two systems. Two costs. Expensive 'FACADES' for fossil fuels.

..We keep showing you the numbers on wind and solar..
Gigawatts and gigawatts of installed-capacity at cost of hundreds of billions of dollars and huge ecological impacts with almost nothing to show at reducing emissions / dependence on coal/oil/gas/fracking.

"...the French, who: a) Make €3bn a year in exports because nuclear electricity is cheap to produce b) Decarbonised electricity in a decade c) Emit 1/10th the CO2/kWh as renewable-heavy Germany..."
http://pbs.twimg....YCP1.jpg

Jun 25, 2019
What about the waste?
Always have to change the subject don't you? Panels are recyclable - so it is not a problem. What about the waste from mining uranium, and processing all that nuclear waste - and storing it for thousands of years. Don't talk about that do you?
Gigawatts and gigawatts of installed-capacity at cost of hundreds of billions of dollars and huge ecological impacts with almost nothing to show at reducing emissions
Same thing for nukes. Difference is that we are just starting the transition to renewables - and we are in VERY early stages of transition to electric transport. So be patient Willie liar. Nukes had their turn - and they failed. Renewables are stepping in and picking up the heavy lifting - and are doing a better/cheaper job than nukes.

Jun 26, 2019
..Panels are recyclable..
"Recyclable" by fossil-fueled machines - so it is not a problem.

..What about the waste from mining uranium..
"Uranium is a by-product from copper, phosphate and rare earth mining."
"Copper is a major element for renewable energy"
"It's now also recognised by UNSCEAR that wind and solar energy are resulting in significant radiation exposure."
Wind & "Solar Emits 40 Times More Radiation Per Unit of Energy Than Nuclear (Due To Mining "Rare Earth" Metals)"
http://pbs.twimg....CgZl.jpg

Renewables had their turn centuries ago - and they failed.
Greens want mankind back to the Dark Ages where people had windmills & sails, biomass(wood & dung, whale oil to keep lights on), solar/wind dryers(clotheslines), thousands of green jobs, organic food, clean air, and lived until 40 years old;
while Greens continue to burn tons of gasoline/diesel/kerosene to power their lifestyle, screaming out "solar/wind is cheap & replaces fossil fuels".



Jun 26, 2019
"Promises of a green jobs boom in Scotland are proving to be so much hot air" - Jun 23, 2019
"Scotland promised 130,000 clean jobs - They spent £5 billion now only 100 temporary job"
http://www.thegua...-hot-air

"Isle Of Man Seabird Populations Plummet As Wind Farms Overwhelm The Irish Sea" - Jun 21, 2019
"Herring Gulls are down 82%, European Shag down 51%, Razorbills down 55%. The list goes on...."
"The Isle Of Man wildlife charity Manx Birdlife has reported a shocking 40% decline in the populations of many species of sea birds around the island's coast. "
http://jasonendfi...rish-sea

Green Job: gathering up bird carcasses.
http://pbs.twimg....c4nG.jpg
https://pbs.twimg..._vbr.jpg
Bird-choppers/land-intensive monstrosities exist to steal taxpayers' money(through subsidies).

Jun 26, 2019
Uranium is a by-product from copper, phosphate and rare earth mining
Sometimes yes - but it is mostly mined in URANIUM MINES.
Uranium mines operate in some 20 countries

Some uranium is also recovered as a by-product with copper

Moron. http://www.world-...iew.aspx
According to a new report from the International Renewable Energy Agency there are 10.3 million renewable energy jobs globally
http://www.lse.ac...-the-us/

You just can't stop a trane can you Willie? How many cows were killed by all those nukes leaking electricity Willie?

Jun 27, 2019
...According to a new report from the International Renewable Energy Agency there are 10.3 million renewable energy jobs globally...
There were already much "renewable jobs" in the past, in the Stone/Middle Ages.
Slaves were renewables too, then came steam engines and took up their "green jobs", lifting them out of misery/oppression.

"Thank you, African child miner! Without you we couldn't have clean electric cars, windmills & solar panels! Mine on little one!"
http://pbs.twimg....2XE7.jpg
"The Hidden Risks of Batteries: Child Labor, Modern Slavery, and Weakened Land and Water Rights"
http://www.greent...al-risks
"They say that renewables are creating more jobs, but what type of jobs?"

"I heard that this is a fossil fuel-free boat that will revolutionize shipping, create thousands of green jobs and support our new alternative economy."
http://pbs.twimg....YDZD.jpg

Jun 27, 2019
They say that renewables are creating more jobs, but what type of jobs?
Some really good ones Willie. https://www.forbe...24a13665

I know - you prefer to burn coal, and mine uranium. You just can't see the future - even as it is happening.

Wind turbines that leak electricity - and kill cows - what a moron.

Jun 27, 2019
I heard that this is a fossil fuel-free boat...
So tell us the answer Willie. You are so good at finding articles that piss all over our best hope for supplying the world with cheap/clean/locally grown energy. What do you want? With the numbers that support your position. Yes Willie - every energy source has negatives. Do you want to live in a cave - and live off berries and leaves? What do you want Willie liar?
I want to see our world transition to cheap/clean/home grown energy - and I can give you the numbers to support my position. Look here - https://www.renew...ice.html

Just one example of 3.5 cents Kwh - renewable energy. Lots of good jobs - and a hope for the future of the human race. Show us what you have - Willie liar.

Jun 28, 2019
...you prefer to burn coal...
No coal, no solar panels/windmills.
Solar/wind components don't grow on trees, most of them are manufactured in China thanks to cheap coal.
"China is funding its nuclear power future by selling solar panels to those who don't know better."
http://pbs.twimg....TOWe.jpg
http://pbs.twimg....U_jn.jpg
http://pbs.twimg....L1wh.jpg

...transition...
Batteries don't grow on trees.
"Converting all of New York's vehicles to electricity will entail vast quantities of rare earth material like cobalt for car batteries, which will require enormous amounts of energy, and therefore yield more carbon dioxide emissions."
https://nypost.co...ic-cars/

Funny: "A diesel van pulling an petrol generator to charge up an electric car...." because solar/wind is a joke at replacing gasoline/diesel-generators.
http://pbs.twimg....BkoX.jpg


Jun 28, 2019
..3.5 cents Kwh..
"wind energy has grown thanks largely to production tax credits (2.3 cents per kilowatt hour) totaling billions of dollars."
Then add on $48,000 in maintenance per megawatt hour. Useless!
"Unsubsidized wind energy simply is too expensive"
"offshore wind energy is "very, very expensive," costing ... 3.4 times more than power produced by a natural gas combined-cycle plant"
"the variations in power from wind and solar energy is creating new headaches"
"Wind power sources remain more fantasy than reality"
http://thehill.co...-reality

100% RE charlatans("snake oil salesmen") never stop surprising us.
"German industry talks up 'carbon-free' hydrogen from fossil gas"
https://www.eurac...sil-gas/

Because solar and wind are entirely useless at producing Hydrogen due to their poor ERoI/energy-payback.

Jun 28, 2019
But Willie - I asked you what YOU wanted. What is your solution. You know my solution - and I just showed you a perfect example. Solar plus storage - at 3.5 cents a Kwh. Yes - there are subsidies in there - just as there are subsidies in all energy sources.
Taking out subsidies, solar and wind power are now cheaper than electricity generated by coal, nuclear power and even natural gas over the lifetime of a power facility, according to a 2016 analysis by Lazard Ltd.
So you see - I can support my preferred solution. So what is your solution Willie? Keep burning fossil fuels - that are dirty - and cost more than renewables? Or do you prefer Hinkley Point - at 12.5 cents Kwh? What is YOUR solution - with numbers to support it?

https://blogs.ei....-breaks/

Jun 29, 2019
..Solar plus storage - at 3.5 cents a Kwh..
If it were really true, then those who propagandize it would be buying it to power their homes and electric cars, disconnecting from the grid.
But of course, it isn't. It's just another propaGREENda spread by the RE "snake oil salesmen" in order to continue sucking taxpayers' money(through subsidies/tax credits) presenting almost nothing at reducing emissions / dependence on coal/oil/gas/fracking.

..Yes - there are subsidies in there - just as there are subsidies in all energy sources..
Except that the slightly subsidized fossil fuels prevent poor families from freezing to death mainly during the Winter when energy is most needed and the highly subsidized sunshine&breeze unicorn energy is on vacation.

Wind and solar are scams.
"Build more nuclear reactors to reach net zero carbon target – CBI " -Jun 26, 2019
http://www.thegua...rget-cbi

Jun 29, 2019
Once again Willie - you don't read your own article.
The CBI has also called on the government to "unblock" the pipeline of new onshore wind farms if it hopes to reduce the cost of moving to a zero carbon economy...hindering the continued deployment of the cheapest form of renewable electricity is hampering the goal of decarbonising at the lowest cost...We must see action to unblock the substantial pipeline of onshore wind projects...t also called for government to help create a route to market for low-cost solar power, including projects that combine battery storage.
So you post to an article that totally contradicts your bullshit about wind and solar not being viable. Thanks Willie - maybe you should learn to read. Now what is it that YOU want? You have not answered the question have you?

Jun 30, 2019
...the pipeline of new onshore wind farms...
"If you have nuclear, why piss around with wind & solar? Variable cost of fuel in a nuclear plant is small."
"Wind and solar require backup generating plants, usually natural gas plants."
"If you have nuclear, Why do you need Intermittent, Unreliable power? They're parasites on the electrical grid."

"the pipeline of new onshore wind farms" is just a 'decorative facade' for pipelines of natural gas(methane: worse than CO2).
http://pbs.twimg....vy1N.png

Wind and solar are only viable as 'decorative facades' for coal/oil/gas.
Intermittent renewables are parasites, cannot survive without a host.
http://pbs.twimg....ZgcS.jpg
http://pbs.twimg....sJpl.jpg
"All renewables are parasitic on reliable fossil hosts that cost less, and useless as grid supply without their 24/7 fossil hosts on the grid"
"Wind and solar are fossil parasites."
intermittent renewables = fossil-addicted-parasites

Jun 30, 2019
If you have nuclear, why piss around with wind & solar?
Well the article you yourself linked to - recommends doing just that. Maybe because it is cheap/clean/home grown power. Pretty sad how you keep repeating yourself - but you can't answer a very simple question. What is YOUR solution Willie? I liked the very thorough analysis you just linked to - by a very credible organization - that proposes we use wind and solar - as well as nuclear. That works for me - although we will have to be willing to accept the cost of such a proposal - considering nukes are running 12.5 cents Kwh. If you balance the 3.5 cents of wind with storage - against the 12.5 cents of nukes - we could have a good proposal - although of course in time - nukes would have to close - due to cost factors. But it would buy us critical time.

Jun 30, 2019
...because it is cheap/clean/home grown power...
- "cheap", but don't forget to buy a diesel/gasoline-generator to prevent your family from freezing to death at night or on cloudy/snowy/windless days;
- "clean" if you don't care how solar panels/windmills/batteries are manufactured/mined/transported/installed/maintained/repaired/recycled / discarded.

... 3.5 cents of wind with storage...
Just cite a small place(>10,000 inhabitants, off-the-grid) powered by your "3.5 cents of wind with storage" without any drop of fossil fuels.
But you can't. Without lying you can't. LOL.
What about gskam and his powerwall magical batteries?
You both are maniac compulsive pathological liars. Losers. Sociopaths that lie to yourselves, believing in your own lies like beasts that eat your own vomit/feces.

Jun 30, 2019
Meanwhile in the real world:

"Although we have spent well over 4,000 million euros to date on wind turbines alone, and intend to ramp up this spending, our emissions are increasing instead of decreasing"
http://bene.ie/in...ireland/

'When the German Green Energy Minister said they were going to transition to wind and solar, he said it would cost the equivalent of a scoop of ice cream on monthly electric bills. Turns out it will cost €1trillion to the 2030s.'

"Germany's transition to renewable energy has been slowed by challenges building transmission lines to serve new solar, wind facilities."
https://pbs.twimg...ame=orig
Transmission lines don't grow on trees.

Jun 30, 2019
Although we have spent well over 4,000 million euros to date on wind turbines alone, and intend to ramp up this spending, our emissions are increasing instead of decreasing
Stupid liar.
Carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuel combustion significantly decreased in the European Union by 2.5% over the course of 2018
https://www.neweu...in-2018/

We have spent way over that amount on Nukes - and they did not touch emissions.

I notice you still have not answered the question. What is YOUR solution - liar Willie?

Jul 01, 2019
..Carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuel combustion significantly decreased in the European Union by 2.5% over the course of 2018..
Main factors:
- replacement of coal by natural gas(methane: worse than CO2) "greenwashed" by intermittent renewables;
- expensive electricity thanks to penetration of intermittent renewables into the grid making it less affordable for poor families.
Other factor:
- energy efficiency: "...Most important contribution: The improved efficiency! It's the efficiency, stupid!" Not intermittent renewables backed up by coal/gas.
http://pbs.twimg....nvX6.jpg

..3.5 cents of wind with storage..
You live in Oklahoma(30% wind + 70% coal/gas).
If your "3.5 cents of wind with storage" is so cheap and good at producing energy, why doesn't even people like you are buying it and disconnecting from the fossil-fueled grid?

..and they did not touch emissions..
Take a look at http://electricitymap.org :
France, Ontario, Sweden.

Jul 01, 2019
If your "3.5 cents of wind with storage" is so cheap and good at producing energy, why doesn't even people like you are buying it and disconnecting from the fossil-fueled grid?
Because it is utility scale power - idiot.

Nukes have had 70 years to address the C02 issue - and failed. Now it is renewables turn to do the heavy lifting. Despite your pretty map - C02 levels kept going up - until renewables started to come on the scene. Now they are going down. Give it time Willie.

Still waiting for YOUR solution. It is easy to piss on progress - but not so easy to actually take a stand, and support that stand with actual data. You can't do that.

Jul 01, 2019
...Now it is renewables turn to do the heavy lifting...
By "renewable" you mean natural gas.
100% renewables = 80% natural gas + 20% intermittent renewables

Can you name any large regional grid that is deceasing simultaneously the amount of coal/oil/gas generation with solar panels/windmills and still having affordable electricity prices?
In general:
- coal is replaced by natural gas(methane: worse than CO2); and/or
- the overall energy consumption decreases thanks to penetration of intermittent renewables into the grid making electricity less affordable for poor families.

...C02 levels kept going up - until renewables started to come on the scene. Now they are going down...
I.e. until renewables, i.e. natural gas( methane: worse than CO2), started to come on the scene to replace coal.

Faux-greens, Eco-hypocrites sociopaths like you, have blocked carbon-free nuclear to favor coal/oil/gas "greenwashed" by intermittent renewables and then blame carbon-free nuclear.

Jul 01, 2019
By "renewable" you mean natural gas
No - I mean renewables. Wind, solar, geothermal, hydro, tidal, wave etc. etc. If you are so ignorant of the facts - that you don't know what renewables are - you really are a moron.
have blocked carbon-free nuclear
Carbon free nuclear is blocking itself - by being too expensive. Bring the cost down - and it will flourish.

Still waiting for your solution Willie. I have given mine - with very detailed support. All you have is pissing on progress.


Jul 02, 2019
...by being too expensive...
"The U.S. Treasury estimates that the Production Tax Credit for solar and wind energy will cost taxpayers $40.12 billion from 2018 to 2027, making it the most expensive energy subsidy under current tax law."
"Backup costs (i.e. the costs of maintaining backup electricity 24/7 to compensate for wind and solar's intermittency) are not included in estimations of the cost of wind and solar power, leading to gross underestimation of the costs of these energy sources."
"Countries like Germany, Great Britain and Spain have invested in wind and solar power only to have higher residential electricity prices than the United States."
"If wind and solar truly make sense, the free market will support them without the need for subsidies and mandates."
https://www.insti...credits/


Jul 02, 2019
"The more you know about renewables, the less you like them."

"A 2006 survey ... found that 90 percent were in favour of wind development. That had dropped to 54 percent by 2017."
https://www.produ...alberta/
"Wind and solar are good for one thing- putting money in the pocket of the owners. Nothing else matters."

"Wind doesn't work for the most part without subsidy. The United States is paying tremendous amounts of subsidies for wind. I don't like it. I don't like it," - An artificial market can't survive.
"President Trump has criticised other countries for pursuing technology which doesn't work." - Jun 30, 2019
https://wattsupwi...the-g20/

"Solar and wind are good for four things: sucking up subsidies. Putting money on the pockets of solar/wind sellers. Raising the costs of electricity. Ensuring dependence on fossil fuels."

Jul 02, 2019
If wind and solar truly make sense, the free market will support them without the need for subsidies and mandates
Of course - as long as you discontinue all other subsidies. https://www.taxpa...present/

So i will take your $40 billion wind subsidy - and raise you an $80 billion nuclear subsidy. That is before you even start talking about San Onofre - and a million other ways tax payers are getting fucked with nuclear costs - https://www.googl...ie=UTF-8

How about that 12.5 cents Kwh Hinkley Point Willie - did you include that debacle in your calculations?

Jul 03, 2019
..Of course - as long as you discontinue all other subsidies..
Without subsidies for coal/oil/gas, poor families will freeze to death mainly during the Winter when energy is most needed and sunshine&breeze unicorn energy is on vacation.
Without wind and solar, no one will notice the difference except in the electricity bills that will become more affordable for poor families, also Nature(birds, bats, bees, wildlife habitats, natural landscapes) will thank us.

Unlike wind & solar, carbon-free nuclear it's worth each cent in the fight against Climate Change.

WWS:
"Wind Water and Solar" are free and renewable, but
"Windmills, Hydro Dams and Solar Panels", as well batteries and transmission lines, aren't.

Solar/wind is cheap, they say.
"It's Cheaper To Buy Every American A Ferrari Than Fund The Green New Deal"
http://theliberta...new-deal
http://dailycalle...ferraris

Jul 03, 2019
Without subsidies for coal/oil/gas, poor families will freeze to death
Talk about bull shit. You can rationalize subsidies for fossil fuels - at the same time as hating on the best hope we have for decarbonizing our grid - at a reasonable cost. Way to go Mr. hypocrite. So why not take the subsidies off fossil fuels - and put them onto renewables? Then you get the best of both worlds. Cheap/reliable/home grown power - and you decarbonize the grid. Oh right - cuz you are nuclear cult member - and happy to screw the public with 12.5 cents a Kwh power - just cuz it serves your cult agenda. What a moron. Got any more lies about wind turbines leaking electricity?

Jul 03, 2019
Unlike solar/wind(useless placebos, bird-choppers/landscape-intensive monstrosities);
in general, fossil fuels are highly TAXED.
'"Greens" tells us that nuclear energy and fossil fuels are "subsidised" and hence that eliminating them in favor of "green" energy will "save money". Meanwhile, in the real world:'
"Oil & Gas taxation in Europe brings around €420bn in government revenue"
http://www.iogp.o...may-2018

"As the amount of variable electricity increases, its value to the system declines."
"A Dollar Spent on Wind/Solar Power Capacity Is A Dollar Wasted"

"The more you know about renewables, the less you like them."
"German wind has stalled. 50% of planned turbines cannot be installed b/c of complaints by locals." - Jun 2019
http://www.euract...-health/
"Confidence in Germany falls in new survey"
http://www.windpo...w-survey

Jul 03, 2019
in general, fossil fuels are highly TAXED
As they should be - they do a lot of environmental damage. But this whole argument about subsidies and taxes is bull shit. Electricity from wind turbines and solar farms is also taxed. The whole situation is highly complex - and you are just obfuscating. The fact is that wind and solar are cheaper than fossil fuels, and WAY cheaper than nukes.
[N]ew nuclear is so far outside the competitive range. . . . Not only can nuclear power not stop global warming, it is probably not even an essential part of the solution to global warming
From a former member of the FNRC. Which is why Hinkley point is costing 12.5 cents, and here in California - solar plus storage is a total of 3.3 cents. Can you do math Willie?
https://www.ewg.o...ng-down/
https://renewecon...t-60011/

Jul 04, 2019
...As they should be - they do a lot of environmental damage...
Indeed, "they do a lot of environmental damage": destruction of natural landscapes and wildlife habitats, massacre of millions of birds/bats and other endangered species. By providing a 'decorative facade' for coal/oil/gas, intermittent renewables are deadlier and dirtier than fossil fuels. Wind and solar (bird-choppers/land-intensive monstrosities) have been expensive placebos in the fight against Climate Change.

More taxes on coal/oil/gas, and wind/solar dies.
"A carbon tax will kill renewable deployment because it will increase the price of natural gas which is a backup for RE. But it will make nuclear power immediately profitable. This is why a lot of "greens" are really against it deep in their hearts."
https://pbs.twimg...D91s.jpg

Electricity from wind turbines and solar farms is also taxed.
Highly subsidized, then slightly taxed, anyway highly subsidized, they are not profitable.

Jul 04, 2019
..The fact is that wind and solar are cheaper than fossil fuels..
The fact is that "alternative energy" = "alternative facts".
In the real world, they aren't alternative to fossil fuels, it's clear in the Transportation Sector where they are joke. Not even those who propagandize solar/wind use it to power their homes and electric cars, they use diesel/gasoline-generators.

..solar plus storage is a total of 3.3 cents..
Not even people like you(green sociopaths, maniac compulsive pathological liars) are buying it.
Oklahoma(30% wind + 70% coal/gas).
"...Because it is utility scale power..." you said.
Indeed, without coal/gas you wouldn't have your "utility scale power".

RenewEconomy again? Jacobson?
"Jacobson is a Senior Fellow at the Precourt Institute for Energy, which was founded by Jay Precourt, an oil and gas magnate and board member of Halliburton, the oil and gas services firm. The board of the Institute is a who's who of oil, gas, and renewables investors."

Jul 04, 2019
In the real world, they aren't alternative to fossil fuels
Yes they are. https://www.reute...CN1Q12C9
Remember you said that LA was going to rebuild those gas plants? Remember how you were yet again wrong. So yeah Willie - in the real world - renewables are displacing ff. Just because you don't know shit - doesn't change reality.
Indeed, without coal/gas you wouldn't have your "utility scale power"
Well - duh! but now coal and gas are being replaced by renewables. And no - wind turbines don't leak electricity and kill cows - moron.

Jul 05, 2019
California, as well other states/countries, has expensive electricity bills thanks to penetration of intermittent renewables into the grid.
Green socialists want to lift poor people out of poverty to throw them into misery and oppression.
"Electricity prices increased by: ...24 percent in California during its solar energy build-out from 2011 to 2017..."
"Electricity in Illinois is 42 percent cheaper than electricity in California while electricity in France is 45 percent cheaper than electricity in Germany."
http://www.forbes...xpensive

..coal and gas are being replaced by renewables..
By "renewables" you mean "natural gas",
"coal and gas" are being replaced by "natural gas".
Green logic is amazing:
- brown and lignite coal are not coal;
- solar/wind is cheap(batteries not included);
- 100% renewable is possible with natural gas;
- 100% RE (e.g. Costa Rica, >90% Hydro).

Jul 06, 2019
By "renewables" you mean "natural gas"
No - I mean renewables. https://www.utili.../548218/

Try to keep up with the facts Willie. And look it up - no - wind turbines do not leak electricity, and kill cows. So many lies coming from the ignorant fear mongers.

Jul 06, 2019
Electricity prices increased by: ...24 percent in California during its solar energy build-out from 2011 to 2017
Someone had to pay for San Onofre. https://www.kpbs....95-bill/

Jul 07, 2019
"LA scraps plan to rebuild 3 gas plants, moves towards 100% renewable energy"
Poor Californians, Germans, South Australians, their electricity is already expensive thanks to intermittent renewables, just imagine adding batteries more maintenance.
Not including batteries, at 1/3 of penetration into the grid, solar and wind make electricity ~5x costlier, including batteries, solar and wind are ~50x costlier than carbon-free nuclear, nothing more to say.
"If Solar And Wind Are So Cheap, Why Are They Making Electricity So Expensive?"
http://www.forbes...-reasons
"Unreliable Nature Of Solar And Wind Makes Electricity More Expensive, New Study Finds" - Apr 2019
https://www.forbe...y-finds/

Jul 07, 2019
"..3.5 cents of wind with storage..."
"...solar plus storage is a total of 3.3 cents..."
"..3.5 cents of wind with storage..."
"...solar plus storage is a total of 3.3 cents..."
If you believe this, I have a bridge in NY, also the Eiffel tower, to sell you.
https://pbs.twimg...cKgf.jpg

"Solar and wind at ¢5/kWh — when the sun is shining and the wind is blowing. If you want it with batteries included and at 100%, the cost soars to an unaffordable $0.70-$1.1/kWh"
"Solar panels / wind turbines are not renewable. Hell, they are not even being recycled."
"Transitioning US to 100% renewables by 2030 will cost $4.5 trillion"
"In addition, allowing existing nuclear plants to remain open would save about $500 billion, the report found."
https://www.utili.../557832/

Renewables, excluding Hydro, are scams; they only exist to steal taxpayers' money and to favor coal/oil/gas/fracking.

Jul 07, 2019
If you believe this, I have a bridge in NY, also the Eiffel tower, to sell you
But it is a fact. https://www.green...s.nglu2m

Sorry you can't deal with facts - so you have to tell stupid cowardly lies about turbines killing cows - and you have to post to stupid pictures of people selling snake oil - all because you are determined to sell lies and fear.
Transitioning US to 100% renewables by 2030 will cost $4.5 trillion
Yes Willie - transitioning a massive electrical system to a new energy source - is going to be expensive. It will be MORE expensive if we go to nukes. We wont do either - cuz you and your cult members are not going to allow us to respond to the existential threat of climate change. You are too stupid - and you only care about today.

Jul 08, 2019
"Abundant Sun, Yet No Energy: Solar Panels Leave People High And Dry" - Jul 06, 2019
"When it comes to real estate, solar energy is the worst. Nuclear and fossil fuel plants generate the same energy by consuming only a fraction of space that solar consumes."
"The other rarely addressed drawback is the environmental hazard associated with the disposal of used solar panels, which is proving to be more and more difficult and harmful to the environment because of the large amounts of toxic, rare-earth metals in them."
https://townhall....n2549344
'Destroying people's lives for a renewable energy plan that won't work' - Jul 3, 2019
https://www.agril...nt-work/
"The more you know about renewables, the less you like them."

Jul 08, 2019
"...Massive Solar-Battery Project..."
...transitioning a massive electrical system...
What about the waste?
"Every Wind Turbine and Solar Panel Built Today Will Be Scrap Metal by 2050" - Jun 2019
https://www.ameri...tal-2050

...the existential threat of climate change...
~1000GW & nothing to show at reducing emissions.
Then the RE "snake oil salesmen" come up with theoretical studies/meta-analysis from 10 years ago to convince us that solar&wind reduce emissions.
https://pbs.twimg...ljuX.jpg
"Renewables are the fastest growing sources of electricity. Yet the increase in CO2 accelerates? When will people appreciate what's wrong here?"
1000GW wind/solar:
- I almost reduced emissions.
1GW carbon-free nuclear:
- "almost"? You never came close. LOL
https://pbs.twimg...ZbFg.jpg

Jul 08, 2019
What about the waste?
You mean the radio active waste from the power plants? You are right - it is a serious problem. http://sitn.hms.h...-states/

Of course - you will be happy to let the tax payers pay massively increased taxes - in order to baby sit all that waste for tens of thousands of years.
snake oil salesmen" come up with theoretical studies/meta-analysis from 10 years ago to convince us that solar&wind reduce emissions
They do -
The transition to renewable energy – wind, bioenergy and solar – is the largest driver, collectively responsible for 37% of electricity sector emissions reductions in 2017
And a bonus - the wind turbines don't leak electricity and kill cows - like some FUD spreaders try to tell us. What a moron! https://www.carbo...nce-1990

Jul 09, 2019
Radioactive materials come from Nature.
The same set of regulations, regarding radioactive waste, should also be applied to big oil, fracked gas & solar/wind(radioactive rare-earth metals).
"If other energy technologies would have to meet the same pollution, safety and reliability standards that nuclear meets, then those other technologies would become wildly expensive and totally unaffordable. They would be wiped out overnight, forever."
http://oe.cd/nea-...sts-2018
http://pbs.twimg....dPX1.jpg
http://pbs.twimg....VXqM.jpg

...wind, bioenergy and solar...
Not only hydro and natural gas, but the RE "snake oil salesmen" also include/exclude bioenergy when it's convenient, because solar and wind are parasites.
"Replacing fossil fuels with bioenergy only takes us backwards, continuing our addiction to burning and extraction, and causing extensive ecological damage." - May 2019
https://theecolog...delusion

Jul 09, 2019
Radioactive materials come from Nature
So does mercury - does that mean you drink it for breakfast. That is the level of stupid of your comments. Of course there is a different standard for radio active waste - the stuff gives you cancer - and is highly dangerous for tens of thousands of years. Your comments reach the level of stupid that is so hard to understand.
In the real world, they aren't alternative to fossil fuels
Except they are - and you make a complete idiot of yourself - and the anti renewable cult zombies when you say stupid things like this. Oh look Willie -
Federal Energy Regulatory Commission's Energy Infrastructure Update for April 2019, released last month, revealed that renewable capacity in the US surpassed coal for the first time. And the newest update reveals a large increase in expected coal plant retirements, just a month later
Boy are you wrong - just like claiming wind turbines leak electricity and kill cows.

Jul 10, 2019
...the stuff gives you cancer...
People are much more exposed to radiation & more likely to contract cancer by installing/cleaning up solar panels/windmills than working at carbon-free nuclear plants.
"...no examples...in the west who have died due to exposure to radiation from civilian nuclear power..."
http://pbs.twimg....rdm5.jpg
http://pbs.twimg....2Mly.jpg
http://pbs.twimg....hblD.jpg
http://pbs.twimg....GPzT.jpg
http://pbs.twimg....sWhm.jpg

... renewable capacity in the US surpassed coal for the first time...
By "renewable" it means "natural gas".
1GW of installed-capacity of intermittent renewables needs at least 1GW of fracked gas to compensate fluctuations of production & demand.

You green sociopaths(maniac compulsive pathological liars) never attack coal and gas at same time because solar and wind are parasites, cannot survive without a host (coal/oil/gas / hydro/biomass).

Jul 11, 2019
People are much more exposed to radiation & more likely to contract cancer by installing/cleaning up solar panels/windmills than working at carbon-free nuclear plants
Source please.
1GW of installed-capacity of intermittent renewables needs at least 1GW of fracked gas to compensate fluctuations of production & demand
Source please.
never attack coal and gas at same time
https://www.ucsus...ollution

Show how stupid you are Willie - that you would suggest that environmentalists don't attack coal and gas. The whole point of the energy transition - is to end coal and gas. It is anti renewable zombie cult members like yourself that are slowing down the transition. But we are getting there slowly - just wish you were not so stupid - suggesting that wind turbines kill cows https://cleantech...ra-cost/


Jul 13, 2019
...environmentalists don't attack coal and gas...
Without coal/oil/gas/diesel/gasoline/kerosene, most of environmentalists wouldn't have even existed. Mankind would be still in the Stone/Middle Ages, where people had windmills and sails, biomass(wood and dung, whale oil to keep lights on), solar/wind dryers(clotheslines), lots of green jobs, organic food, clean air, and lived no more than 40 years old.

...transition...
"transition" to energy poverty.
"Efforts to shift away from fossil fuels and replace oil and coal with renewable energy sources can help reduce carbon emissions but do so at the expense of increased inequality..." - Jul 12, 2019
"That's because the shift to renewable energy is done through incentives such as tax subsidies."
"That means increased utility bills for the rest of the customers, and for many low-income families, increased financial pressure, which creates energy poverty."
http://phys.org/n...rty.html

Jul 13, 2019
The study recommends...such policies would both incentivize the implementation of renewable energy resources, while also protecting the populations that are most vulnerable to energy poverty
You would do well to read articles all the way through - before linking to them. They often make the opposite point that you are trying to make. Of course - removing subsidies from nukes and fossil fuels - and allowing renewable energy to shine - by providing cheap/carbon free/home grown energy - would be a great idea.

Jul 15, 2019
... removing subsidies from nukes and fossil fuels - and allowing renewable energy to shine...
"The idea that wind and solar power can power advanced civilizations is ludicrious - but people have been making the claim for decades now. This is not new. It failed then and it will fail now, for the same reasons: storage is an insurmountable obstacle"

...protecting the populations...
"Former Greens leader and veteran activist Bob Brown is campaigning to stop a $1.6 billion wind farm development in Tasmania because it will spoil the view and kill birds." - Jul 15, 2019
https://www.theau...e68fb440

https://pbs.twimg...t3_K.jpg
"The more you know about renewables, the less you like them. The more you know about nuclear, the more you like it. The only thing holding us back is ignorance, superstition and fear of the unknown."

Jul 15, 2019
The idea that wind and solar power can power advanced civilizations is ludicrious
In your mind - that is probably true - but you assert that wind turbines leak electricity - and kill cows - that is how ludicrous your understanding of the topic of energy is. In the real world - https://www.thegu...d-states

The only thing holding us back is ignorance, superstition and fear of the unknown
Oh yes - and cost. You forgot about that one - didn't you? How convenient. 12.5 cents nuclear - vs 3 cent wind and solar - now that is a tough decision!


Jul 15, 2019
"Study: wind and solar can power most of the United States"
Most of academic crackpots, which perform such "studies", don't buy/use solar panels/windmills/batteries to power their homes and electric cars, e.g. M Z Jacobson.
RE promoters are modern "snake oil salesmen", incredibly intellectually dishonest.

...3 cent wind and solar...
"3 cent" "batteries not included".
C'mon, not even you is buying solar panels/windmills(useless placebos) to power your home. You are comfortably connected to a fossil-fueled grid parasitized by intermittent renewables (Oklahoma: 30% wind/solar + 70% "cheap coal/oil/gas").

"Before proposing 100% RE for the world, FIRST try it at your house. Buy panels & loads of batteries and disconnect from the grid. Start a blog and let us know how it's going, particularly during the dead of winter. Thanks."


Jul 16, 2019
3 cent" "batteries not included
No - that is 2 cents batteries not included - it is 3.3 cents with the batteries. I rounded it for you - figured decimal points might tax you.

https://pv-magazi...%A2-kwh/

Before proposing 100% RE for the world,...
You first Willie - put that nuke in your back yard - start a blog - tell us how much the electricity costs. Remember to include de-comissioning, and long term storage of the waste.

On the other hand - here is real world data that shows that wind and solar reduce electricity costs. Sure beats the pants off Hinkley Point.

https://renewecon...s-56141/


21 hours ago
...that is 2 cents batteries not included - it is 3.3 cents with the batteries...
"2¢" it has been propagandized for years/decades by the RE "snake oil salesmen". It's interesting to notice that if you take a look at their homes you will realize that most of them don't have solar panels/windmills installed, and/or still continue connected to fossil-fueled grid, i.e. not even them "Eat Their Own Dog Food".

...Remember to include de-comissioning, and long term storage of the waste...
"Most electricity sources have significant land requirements...and waste disposal. These external costs are not reflected in electricity market prices" e.g. solar/wind.
"Nuclear power is the only large-scale energy-producing technology that takes full responsibility for all its waste and fully costs this into the product."

...here is real world data...
RenewEconomy again and again? LOL. Not even they use/buy solar panels/windmills useless placebos to power their homes / electric cars.

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