Luxembourg offers cash to help close ageing French nuke plant

The Cattenom nuclear power plant in Cattenom, north-eastern France
The Cattenom nuclear power plant in Cattenom, north-eastern France

Luxembourg offered on Monday to chip in financing to close an ageing French nuclear power plant near its border, saying the tiny nation could be obliterated if the station malfunctioned.

During a press conference with his French counterpart Manuel Valls, Luxembourg's Prime Minister Xavier Bettel said a problem at the Cattenom plant could "wipe the duchy off the map".

"The Cattenom site scares us, there's no point in hiding it," he said of the plant that has been in operation since the mid-1980s. "Our greatest wish is that Cattenom close."

Luxembourg "would be prepared to make a to a project, which would have to be cross-border... at Cattenom that is not nuclear in nature."

Valls—who was on a one-day visit to the nation of about 500,000—said France has pledged to cut its reliance on nuclear energy from more than 75 percent to 50 percent by shutting 24 reactors by 2025.

"Message received," he added.

France has several ageing that are unsettling its neighbours. Germany demanded last month Paris shutter its oldest station, Fessenheim, which sits near the German and Swiss borders.

Fessenheim houses two 900-megawatt reactors and has been running since 1977. Due to its age activists have long called for it to be permanently closed.

French President Francois Hollande has pledged to shut down the Fessenheim plant by the end of his five-year term in 2017.


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Apr 12, 2016
We are tempting fate with these dangerous units. But what about all the deadly components? What happens to them? Where do they put them?

Who guards the intensely-radioactive waste?

Apr 12, 2016
We are tempting fate with these dangerous units
@liar-kam
tempting fate? how abbout this safety overall vs your solar in this first page of the PDF?
http://physics.ke...re15.pdf

if you're gonna talk about nukes, try learning a little about them first so that the discussion is informed and not just fearmongering stupidity based upon your inadequate knowledge

https://www.youtu...yv9arXqU

https://www.youtu...xY-wOrI8

https://www.youtu...rcdMiIGs

https://www.youtu...Zm8XO7Zc


Apr 12, 2016
Argue all you want. My own experience and studies indicate you are believing the nuke propaganda.

And when something does go "wrong", it does so endangering the entire world. We cannot afford the deadly nuke stuff nor their wiki-inspired supporters. Send them to Chernobyl.

Apr 12, 2016


Okay, you want the real proof of nuclear power?

https://www.youtu...Z2sSZ30M

Note, those are PEOPLE, not NRC "projections" made by self-serving bureaucrats.

Answer that.

But send the answer to their parents. Don't forget to include your name and phone number.

Apr 12, 2016
My own experience
@liar-kam
1- you've never provided any evidence you worked with nuclear anything
2- reported for fearmongering without evidence
your tactic is to appeal to the fear and potential for pain?

does that mean you have stopped flying and will fight to repeal airplanes from society too?
ask the people who lost loved ones on a plane crash!

what about driving?
you gonna fight to ban cars?
ask the momma's who lost kids to DUI drivers or dementia patients like yourself

are you going to advocate for banning hospitals too because doctors have been known to make mistakes and kill patients?
little gina lost the wrong foot and was misdiagnosed by one stupid accident so lets ask her!

surely that makes more sense than looking at the overall statistics?!

f*ck reality, right g?
why bother with reality when you can appeal to emotions with fearmongering slogans!

so lets use the g-logic!
g [burns bra]

ban all hospitals
ban all hospitals

-hyperbole-

Apr 12, 2016
Here is your "logic" in actual effect.

https://www.youtu...Z2sSZ30M

And you hide behind NRC "projections"?

Go tell the parents it is okay, a good thing.

No slogans, no numbers, just real children, real testimony of the actual effects of using nuclear power.

Face up to it, or admit to hypocrisy.

Apr 12, 2016
Here is your "logic" in actual effect
@liar-kam the old hag
nope. still fearmongering
reported
you hide behind NRC "projections"
no, i follow the statistical, careful, methodical, unemotional analysis of the evidence that demonstrates a factual conclusion over the repeated appeal to nonsensical emotional fearmongering

you can Face up to it, or admit to hypocrisy for not banning airplanes, cars, hospitals, food, or water

that is your choice

so... where is the equivalent study which demonstrates my study link to be factually incorrect?

can't find one?

can't google?

or is it because there no information because it aint true and you're being a fearmongering bra-burning hag

Apr 13, 2016
proponents of solar and wind hate data and statistics

Apr 13, 2016
"you have to be a complete moron to think the process of generating electricity with solar panels is as dangerous as nuclear."
----------------------------------

Grumpy is not here for relevance or facts, he is here for emotional release, to get even with folk who have irritated him past the breaking point.

These old nukes are dangerous, with the problems of worn out equipment and Neutron Embrittlement. And they are no longer economic to operate, with continual maintenance using highly-paid specialists.

The nukes in Illinois have to be subsidized by the customers to stay operating. That way, the utility can put the cost of their errors onto the customer base.

Then, there will be the problem of what to do with the hundreds or thousands of tons of intensely-radioactive and exothermic waste materials. They STILL cannot find away to even store that stuff, and they want to make more?

Apr 13, 2016
I could not find any info. on solar farm melt downs or deaths caused by direct interaction with them...you have to be a complete moron to think the process of generating electricity with solar panels is as dangerous as nuclear
@full-of-bs
wow... i guess i underestimated you yet again, bs!

If there is ever a time where literacy was important, it is in science and reading the references, sources, information about "overall safety" (keywords that are pretty important - means the whole process, bshitt, not just the "generation of electricity" process!)

but considering you're inability to read, i guess i shouldn't be surprised, eh?
after all, it is why you still think magic magnets saved people from cancer

Apr 13, 2016
"proponents of solar and wind hate data and statistics"
---------------------------------

Not at all, Toots.

Let's compare the cost of new power from each source, shall we?

The latest cost for power for the City of Alameda was just under three cents. I think. Tell us what the projections are for Hinckley and/or Vogtle.

Apr 13, 2016
Let's compare the cost of new power from each source, shall we?
@liar-kam
you mean like the above PDF with the safety stats?
why aren't you addressing that with equivalent evidence or a study?

why are you ignoring the obvious for the sloganeering rant of the blatantly false emotional argument from fear?

your EMO arguments are the antithesis of logical methodical evidence based science

it does more harm to Science than good when you attempt to represent yourself as an authority (and then blatantly lie)

why would you want that?


Apr 13, 2016
Settle down, Grumpy. I wondered where you went after making that terrible admission of ignorance in the other thread, where you screamed:

"so how does that reflect on your character?
it proves:
-you are ignorant of your championed topic
-you're a liar
-you're inept and incapable of basic research
-you're not informed at all"

Then, you realized it was you who screwed up. I am sure you remember.

So now, do your standards hold for you, as well?

I think your animosity toward me has driven you to irrationality.

Let's stop the personal attacks, shall we?


Apr 13, 2016
@liar-kam
please refrain from crossposting stupidity
that is addressed in the other thread, and it is not screaming when it is proven fact

also note: opinion is not equivalent to evidence

I think your animosity toward me has driven you to irrationality.

Let's stop the personal attacks, shall we?

thanks

(special note for bs - anecdote is the same thing as opinion, in scientific evidence terms... so anecdote for magic magnetic savior devices are not the same thing as evidence. it is opinion of the user, hence the epic fail on that one)

Apr 13, 2016
The latest cost for power for the City of Alameda was just under three cents.
and it requires no subsidies. LOL

Apr 13, 2016
The latest cost for power for the City of Alameda was just under three cents. I think
Because of george kamburoffs pathological tendency to make up facts and exaggerate and and lie about his education and experience, we have to consider this a lie as well.

For instance you once doubled the number and magnitude of earthquakes in your vicinity to try to win an argument, remember?

You do this all the time. That's why no one takes george kamburoff seriously here except you.

Apr 13, 2016
You do. You dream of me, otto.

I am the antithesis of the shut-in wannabe.

Now, as far as nukes go, going is exactly where we want them.

Apr 13, 2016
I see you still have otto "blocked". Care to share with us your unique definition of that verb???

Apr 13, 2016
Man, Grumpy has really lowered his sights and proved he can do all the ad hominem stuff just like the cranks. Pretty nasty work. Interesting how this thread suddenly disappeared off the "most commented" tab. QED: PO has a way of re-jigging the counter.

A science site that can't count ordinal numerals without lying. Gen X have arrived in force.

Apr 14, 2016
Now it seems to have turned into a protection racket. We may have to pay others to reduce the dangers to ourselves.

But the real story is now the terrorists have now targeted nuke plants. All they have to do is to take out the cooling. The five reactors in Belgium went to skeleton crews after they found out the nuke plants were the first choice, but the stuff in France made them hurry it up and they chose the airport.

So now we have to add more costly protection to the already-massive cost of nuclear power.

Apr 14, 2016
George kamburoffs knowledge of the dangers of reactor tech includes the notion that H2 explosions at fukushima caused Pu in dirty molten puddles to fission and blow reactor parts 130km.

George kamburoffs knowledge of physics didn't inform him that even thermonuclear weapons can't throw debris more than a few km.

And when asked why such an explosion didn't leave a crater he gave examples of similar explosions which didn't leave craters.

But they were all airbursts.

So we've got to figure that george kamburoff thinks that airborne H2 can cause flying globs of dirty Pu to fission and throw reactor parts 130km.

This is an example of how easy it is to trip up a lying cheating psychopath simply by asking him to explain his lies.

They're always a LOT stupider than they first appear.

Making fools out of lying cheating psychopaths is fun and rewarding. And it offers a valuable service to the community who has no idea that scumbags like this exist to take advantage of them.

Apr 14, 2016
You do. You dream of me, otto
I dream of the day when lying cheating psychopaths like George kamburoff are identified, catalogued and prohibited from bothering people in public venues such as this.

HR depts and internet search engines have already made it impossible for them to lie their way into jobs like they used to.
I am the antithesis of the shut-in wannabe
Oh come on george. You spend most of your time sitting in front of your computer. Search yourself on Google.

Check out george kamburoffs profile page for records of his daily posting floods @ 1 post per every 5 mins.

And george kamburoff spends his free time pissing away his wife's future by throwing her life savings away on expensive energy projects.

Apr 14, 2016
http://www.bbc.co...35712772

Emotional fixations like otto's usually affect shut-ins, those without friends, folk who live in fantasy.

Many of us are real, and have actually done things, unlike the snipers and trolls here.

What kind of "life" does it take for someone to get so nasty and offensive as otto?

Apr 14, 2016
"Sociopaths invent outrageous lies about their experiences."
"Sociopaths seek to dominate others and "win" at all costs."
"Sociopaths are delusional and literally believe that what they say becomes truth merely because they say it!"
"Sociopaths are masters at influence and deception."
"Sociopaths never apologize."
"Sociopaths are incapable of feeling shame, guilt or remorse."
http://www.natura...nce.html

Apr 14, 2016
Willie should be out guarding Hanford. The terrorists have targeted the nuclear facilities now. When they destroy one, will Willie clean it all up for us?


Apr 14, 2016
The terrorists have targeted the nuclear facilities now. When they destroy one..
"One of the easiest signs to spot is how sociopaths exaggerate things to an irrational absurdity."
http://www.natura...nce.html
"Sociopaths are delusional and literally believe that what they say becomes truth merely because they say it!"


Apr 14, 2016
I think Willie needs a trip to Chernobyl.

Take Ira and otto and Grumpy with you. The experience will be good for those of you without any.

Fact is, Willie, your precious nuclear disasters are now recognized as such by the terrorists. Can we make YOU clean it up when they strike?

Tell us Willie, what are YOU going to do when they strike a nuke facility? Hide, like otto and Ira and Trumpy?

Apr 14, 2016
needs a trip to Chernobyl.
No problem, the Chernobyl exclusion zone has become a tourist attraction; its level is below natural radiation of Guarapari and Kerala beach.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/04/06/12/32E6ADAB00000578-3526271-image-a-18_1459943912926.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/04/06/13/32E6AD2000000578-3526271-image-a-62_1459944180342.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/04/06/13/32E6AD5B00000578-3526271-image-a-54_1459944136424.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/04/06/13/32E6AD5F00000578-3526271-image-a-85_1459944591907.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/04/06/13/32E6AD5300000578-3526271-image-a-57_1459944151652.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/04/06/13/32E6ADA500000578-3526271-image-a-82_1459944578941.jpg
http://www.dailym...tes.html

Apr 14, 2016
Perhaps they need to be shown the pictures of the Chernobyl Children.

Have YOU seen them? How does it make you feel about nukes?

Apr 14, 2016
Perhaps they need to be shown the pictures
Yeah! those with congenital malformations that have nothing to do with radiation.
"so far, no increase in birth defects, congenital malformations, stillbirths, or premature births could be linked to radiation exposures caused by (Chernobyl)." As with heart defects, the repeated pictures of horribly deformed children involve conditions which would have occurred with or without the accident.
http://spectator....yl-myths

Apr 14, 2016
Emotional fixations like otto's usually affect shut-ins, those without friends, folk who live in fantasy
Check out george kamburoffs profile page. Twenty posts and counting.

Pretty light day for you eh george? Did you have your outpatient appointment down at the VA psych ward today or what?

Apr 14, 2016
I think Willie needs a trip to Chernobyl.

Take Ira and otto and Grumpy with you. The experience will be good for those of you without any
@liar-kam
unlike you, i've been there
and i linked that video to you already when you first started complaining about the uber-dangers of nukes and how it will kill us all because you're afraid of it
(so go find that link, commando-engineer-girl)

i noticed you can't actually provide evidence that you are able to talk power engineering with an actual engineer - like on the following thread
http://phys.org/n...age.html

so lets stop the character assassination, ad hominem, sniping and trolling without evidence

Apr 14, 2016
Sociopaths invent outrageous lies about their experiences."
"Sociopaths seek to dominate others and "win" at all costs."
"Sociopaths are delusional and literally believe that what they say becomes truth merely because they say it!"
"Sociopaths are masters at influence and deception."
"Sociopaths never apologize."
"Sociopaths are incapable of feeling shame, guilt or remorse."
Nice post willie. I can't rate anybody because my computer died but this doesn't mean I don't appreciate research.

Apr 14, 2016
Mommy read his nasty posts and took it away.

Apr 14, 2016
needs a trip to Chernobyl.
It is perfectly safe, a deception for fear-mongers like gskam.
"How to Visit Chernobyl"
https://www.youtu...EkRjUWM8

Apr 14, 2016
Or, if you do not have the time and money, you can just go here:

https://www.youtu...Z2sSZ30M

Apr 15, 2016
"One of the easiest signs to spot is how sociopaths exaggerate things to an irrational absurdity."
http://www.natura...nce.html

Apr 15, 2016
"If a sociopath is presented with a collection of facts, documents and evidence showing that he lied or deceived, he will refuse to address the evidence and, instead, attack the messenger!"
http://www.natura...nce.html

Apr 15, 2016
Yeah, otto and Ira and Grumpy do that all the time. When I wanted to talk about rocket planes, they attacked me. When I talked about the Electronic Battlefield, they trashed me. When I discussed the Mark I and II BWRs they insulted me. When I informed them of Power Quality they screamed "LIAR!".

Do we have to go into the NASA studies and reports, too?

And now, it is YOU, Willie, who are making the same attacks.

I guess there is no character here in some of the snipers.


Apr 15, 2016
When I talked about the Electronic Battlefield, they trashed me. When I discussed the Mark I and II BWRs they insulted me. When I informed them of Power Quality they screamed "LIAR!"
None of these things, even if true, makes your lies true. None of them makes the facts you make up, true.

Your lies and made-up facts are well documented. And nothing in the alleged education and experience you claim to have will make them true.

You've been told this time and again. Any sane person would be able to understand it.

But george kamburoff is obviously too sick to understand it.

Apr 15, 2016
Your fixation on me is curious, and I do not blame you for wanting to view an interesting life, but don't you have a real life of your own?

No?

Apr 17, 2016
I must admit it is interesting to watch a flaming psychopath like george kamburoff ply his wares daily.

Everyone here sees this going on. Everyone but george kamburoff, the psychopath.

Apr 17, 2016
It's like in olden times when they used to trap a bear and bring it back to the village and tie it to a tree where the kids could throw rocks at it and poke it with sticks.

The bear still thinks it's superior to those puny humans.

If it could only get loose.

Nowadays bears know better than to harass human beings. They hide in the woods and only venture out after dark to eat out of our dumpsters.

Think you'll ever learn george?

Naw.

"What distinguishes all of these people from the rest of us is an utterly empty hole in the psyche, where there should be the most evolved of all humanizing functions..."

-We've conquered bears. We'll conquer animals like george kamburoff as well.

Apr 17, 2016
This will not help your sickness otto. And if you are not under 18 years old, you have no excuse.

All bullies are cowards, otto, especially those who hide behind false fronts and phony names.

Real brave, otto.

And I especially like the way you refer to Vietnam Vets. As a stay-at-home "patriot" yourself, it must be hard on the ego to see others who have had lives.

But we still need you shut-ins for occasional humor and regular scorn.

Apr 19, 2016
Bears don't really ever learn to avoid humans. All the bears that couldn't leave humans alone are dead.

We live in an unfortunate world where psychopaths were selected over normal humans for their unique survival skills.

But like bears, they present an existential danger to society and cannot be ignored.

And so society will of necessity learn how to identify, track, hunt, and remove psychopaths from its midst.

George kamburoff is doing his part by inadvertently tying himself to a tree here so we can learn and understand just what kind of creature these predators are; by poking and prodding him and observing his responses.

George is doing his own part to clean up the environment.

Apr 20, 2016
The madness of nuclear power will be looked on as we do the Crusades, Fascism, and other man-made disasters.

Apr 20, 2016
gskam feeds himself with his own fibs as a beast who eats its own poops.

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