Germany to subsidize electric cars to help own auto industry

Germany to subsidize electric cars to help own auto industry
German Transportation Minister Alexander Dobrindt, left, and his staff members get on the minister's e-car after a press conference in Berlin, Germany, Wednesday, April 27, 2016. Germany plans to subsidize electric cars in a bid to help the country's auto industry compete in the global market for the growingly-popular and environmentally friendly vehicles. (AP Photo/Michael Sohn)

Germany's auto industry risks being overtaken by foreign competitors unless it receives greater domestic support, the country's economy minister said Wednesday, announcing a 1 billion euro ($1.13 billion) plan to subsidize electric cars that are seen as the technology of the future.

Electric vehicles have had a sluggish start in Germany, the country where the combustion engine-powered automobile was born. A government plan to get 1 million e-cars on the streets by 2020 is far behind schedule, with just 50,000 sold so far.

"After a long debate we have agreed to a subsidy program that aims to show on the home market that we can master these new drive trains, from plug-in hybrid to battery-powered vehicles, and make them suitable for the mass market," Economy Minister Sigmar Gabriel said at a news conference in Berlin.

Starting in May, buyers will get 4,000 euros ($4,514.80) toward the purchase of an all-electric vehicle, while plug-in hybrids will receive a subsidy of up to 3,000 euros. The cost will be shared equally by the government and industry.

Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble said he would set aside 600 million euros for the rebates, which will be available on a first come, first serve basis. Another 100 million euros will be used to procure electric vehicles for the government's own fleet and 300 million euros will be invested in electric charging stations.

Germany to subsidize electric cars to help own auto industry
From left, German Transportation Minister Alexander Dobrindt, German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble and German Minister for Economic Affairs and Energy, Sigmar Gabriel, address the media during a joint press conference in Berlin, Germany, Wednesday, April 27, 2016. Germany plans to subsidize electric cars in a bid to help the country's auto industry compete in the global market for the growingly-popular and environmentally friendly vehicles. (AP Photo/Michael Sohn)

Gabriel said the goal was to increase the number of electric cars in Germany tenfold to 500,000 by 2020—still only half the original target.

While foreign car manufacturers will be able to benefit from the subsidy, too, if they agree to contribute their share of the rebate, the only automakers that have signed up so far are Volkswagen, Daimler and BMW. Given German buyers' tendency to purchase domestic brands, the country's car industry is likely to benefit most from the program.

"This country will only have a chance to preserve its social, ecological, cultural standards if it remains a successful industrial nation," Gabriel said, noting the success of the program to create a European aircraft manufacturer, Airbus, decades ago.

Germany to subsidize electric cars to help own auto industry
One of two cars with running engines of German Minister for Economic Affairs and Energy, Sigmar Gabriel, is parked in front of the e-car of German Transportation Minister Alexander Dobrindt during a joint press conference of the ministers at the federal press conference in Berlin, Germany, Wednesday, April 27, 2016. Germany plans to subsidize electric cars in a bid to help the country's auto industry compete in the global market for the growingly-popular and environmentally friendly vehicles. (AP Photo/Michael Sohn)

Japanese automaker Toyota has been commercially successful with its plug-in hybrids for years, while California-based Tesla is considered the cutting edge of all-electric vehicles.

"Now we're in a similar position," said Gabriel. "The reinvention of the automobile is currently being driven by companies that aren't based in Europe."

The move comes amid questions over the future of diesel-powered engines, a technology popular among German automakers. Volkswagen's admission last year that it used special software to rig U.S. emissions tests for its latest "clean diesel" vehicles has thrown a pall over the technology and its viability in an increasingly eco-conscious world.

The German ecological transport lobby group VCD criticized the incentives as blunt, saying they should instead prioritize the most energy-efficient cars and be funded by higher taxes on gas-guzzling vehicles.

Trade unions, meanwhile, welcomed the government plan.

"The market for electric vehicles needs to be kick-started if it's to develop well," said Michael Brecht, chairman of the employee council at Daimler, calling the incentives "sensible industrial policy."


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Apr 27, 2016
VW's e-Golf can keep them afloat for a while until they get cars with better range, which are already being built. I think it is Norway which found a big interest in the Tesla and the e-Golf for use there.

I have not seen another e-Golf on the road here, but I know they are out there, because six disappeared from the dealer the day I got mine.

Apr 27, 2016
Socialism is a friend to no man.

Apr 27, 2016
Selfishness and ignorance can kill all of us.

I guess "shootist" does not use our roads or schools or police or internet.

Apr 27, 2016
Shootist should forgo his Social Security checks.

Apr 28, 2016
I think it is Norway which found a big interest in the Tesla and the e-Golf for use there.


Norway has a massive tax rebate and subsidy policy on electric cars, while it's levying huge taxes on regular cars. Normal cars cost double in Norway due to the import taxes. Electric cars are completely exempt from those surcharges, also from VAT/Sales-tax, don't have to pay for parking, don't have to pay for toll roads, and can drive on bus lanes. Local governments can even let them off of parking tickets if they choose to.

As a result they're buying 30% of all electric cars in Europe, for a population of just 2% of the EU. Every fifth new car sold is an electric, as people buy them for second cars and town runners.

The irony is that Norway gets all the money to pay for this by selling oil and gas. To offset the import cost of one Tesla S takes the sales of about 3,000 barrels of oil.

Apr 28, 2016
"The market for electric vehicles needs to be kick-started if it's to develop well,"


The market for electric vehicles needs a better battery if it's to develop at all. If you're going to kickstart something, start with kicking up more lithium production and processing capacity at lower prices, because the electric car market will die of starvation if it attempts to expand on what supply exists today.

Apr 28, 2016
Although to be completely fair to Norway, only 59% of their exports are crude petroeum and gas, so for a single imported Tesla, about 1,400 barrels equivalent is being sold on today's market prices.

Apr 28, 2016
Was going to buy an EV anyways. If I get the 4k EUR then that will cover the cost of the additional charging outlet.

One has to see what this is an incentiove for. On the surface of it it's an incentive for the consumer. But when you look a bit further you see that with faster adoption the auto makers are then in a position where they have to get out real EV solutions to the market (and not these half-hearted "designed-to-fail-so-that-people-will-buy-our-gas-guzzlers-again" contraptions)

Apr 28, 2016
(and not these half-hearted "designed-to-fail-so-that-people-will-buy-our-gas-guzzlers-again" contraptions)


That's not in the car manufacturers' control. They have to go around with what's on the battery market, and with batteries that cost as much as an entire regular car, they have no option but to compromize.

When the Nissan Leaf first came on the market at around $46k before subsidies they were making a loss on it because of the battery. Now they've got that class of cars with about 25 kWh ~100 km practical range down to just less than $30k while similiar regular hatchbacks go for around $20-25k. For contrast, the battery in a Tesla Model S alone costs somewhere around $30k.

They've only just managed to get the battery prices down low enough to make the crappy compromised versions affordable. The problem is, if they start selling EVs too fast, they'll run out of production capacity for batteries and the supply prices will go up, halting the whole progress.

Apr 28, 2016
Every single electric car that is produced is one less ICE on the road.

Every charging station installed is one more "gas station" on the way to where you might want to go.

All of a sudden you won't need a map to find a charging station. You'll just expect one to be outside every convenience store. Come have a free charge while you browse what we have for sale. Spend a half hour enjoying our services and return to a fully charged car that you can drive for another 4 hours. ave a massage. Enjoy a cup of coffee and sandwich and watch a show on our free WiFi.

After driving more than 4 hours I'd sure like a break.

Apr 30, 2016
This will pay off handsomely for Germany. It might also save VW, who already makes an EV.

Apr 30, 2016
This will pay off handsomely for Germany. It might also save VW, who already makes an EV.

Don't you wish you had one?

Apr 30, 2016
I have one. It is you who do not have one.

And you work on a boat with a 9000 hp Diesel noise and pollution-maker.

Apr 30, 2016
I have one.
Well you better get that straightened out with the California DMV. If they put in the Parish Prison for "borrowing" somebody's electric car then who am I going to fool around with on the physorg?

It is you who do not have one.
Was it me who make the lie about having one? Non, I told you right up front they don't make one yet that fills my needs.

And you work on a boat with a 9000 hp Diesel noise and pollution-maker.
And that is a source of great embarrassment for me Cher, yeah. But there are not many windmill powered towboats working the river so I got to wait for a position on one to open up.

May 01, 2016
Is it a good idea for Germany to subsidize the cars? I think so, but I have one, and used most of the subsidy.

The important part is the massive change in society we will see. Although entire classes of automotive repair will be gone eventually, we will be running much cleaner and cheaper than we do today, and not have to worry about guarding the Oil Lanes from the Middle East with all those Naval Carrier Groups.

May 01, 2016
Is it a good idea for Germany to subsidize the cars?
Yeah, I think it is a fine idea. I got no problem with it. That way VW gets to pass along their fines and penalties for the diesel scamming to the buyers of the electric cars and the German tax payers.

I think so, but I have one,
No you don't Cher.

and used most of the subsidy.
If you say so.

The important part is the massive change in society we will see..
You talk like the change over is going to happen in a couple of years. You really think that?

May 01, 2016
Yes, Cherie, I do have an e-Golf EV, and love it.

You are the one who speaks from ignorance.

May 01, 2016
Yes, Cherie, I do have an e-Golf EV, and love it.
Well if that is true, then you really need to explain it to the DMV or you are taking your chances with going to the jail.

You are the one who speaks from ignorance.
You say that a lot. Every time you get caught telling something not true or one of your "know from having experience".

Oh yeah, I almost forget. It's "Cher", not "Cherie". Unless you mean to try to make the witty insult by using the feminine version. But you got that wrong too (surprise at that, eh?) because in that case it should be "Chere".

May 01, 2016
You squandered ten dollars at the California DMV to try to find out some dirt on me?

Do you have a life of your own?

May 01, 2016
You squandered ten dollars at the California DMV to try to find out some dirt on me?
$10, actually it was $15, is not so much. But when you make the comment about having the "capacitive sensors" to tell when you are bump into somebody, it got my curiosity up because e-Golfs don't have that. So now we know, glam-Skippy don't have the electric car according to the California DMV.

Do you have a life of your own?
Sure I do Cher. One that I enjoy very much. (But it is a silly question.)

May 01, 2016
Well, Mister Validation, turn me in, if you are so sure. I guess you already tried that.

Once again, I proved to you how your silly expeditions into Wiki and the internet are inept, and my experience is greater and more valuable than your look-ups. Whether you can find it or not does not mean my car is not real.

And why would you accept your failed look-up as proof, when you tried to negate my proofs of earning the Master of Science, serving at the Air Force Flight Test Center, or writing those reports for NASA, or teaching Power Quality nation-wide to utility engineers?

I think it is all emotional, Ira.

Outgrow it.

May 01, 2016
Ira, to satisfy you, our registration sticker is for December, so we have had it since late last year. It should show up in the system.

But the lesson is a good one.

May 01, 2016
Mrs. Skippette would love an EV, I think. They are small so far, the ones we can afford, and she would love the clean and very responsive power and control. The newer ones coming out soon will have over 200 miles of range, useful for almost everybody.

The lack of maintenance will appeal to her, and the quiet, and the economy, especially. No trips to the gas station, she "fills up" a home at about 2 1/2 cents/mile or so.

Get her one next year and be a hero.

May 01, 2016
Ira, to satisfy you, our registration sticker is for December, so we have had it since late last year. It should show up in the system.

Trying that smoke and mirrors with the double speaking again? You don't learn much from your mistakes. You are not in the California DMV database as the owner of an electric car. Neither is your wife. Nobody who lives at your address owns the electric car. "Showing up in the system" happens on the day you buy the car Cher.

You wrote over 11,000 comments here in 18 months, probably 3,000 of them have "why you don't look me up" in them. Then you comment that it is strange when somebody does. Make up your mind on that.

Another 5,000 of your silly comments debate with "go look up" or "did you look up the " in him. When somebody does look it up like you ask, and point out you make the facts out of thin air, you come back with "it don't count because I have experience".

But that is alright Cher, I think you are funny.

May 01, 2016
Get her one next year and be a hero.
Mrs-Ira-Skippette is plenty smart enough to choose her own car if it is all the same to you. She is 37 years old and has the real Master Degree. (And not one in Nothing like yours is, but in an actual subject on him and from an actual School of Arts and Sciences on him.) She even get it from a school connected to the school who gave you one for your "Life Experiences", part of the very same outfit.

Don't you let Mrs-glam-Skippette choose her own cars?

May 01, 2016
Get her one next year and be a hero
-Like george kamburoff the psychopath is a hero to his own wife after he squandered all her money on expensive solar gadgets and e-cars just so he could brag about it to his imaginary admirers.

Do you stand on your roof and wave into the imaginary cameras while your poor wife cowers in the basement george?

May 01, 2016
Hey, Ira-Toots, mine is a Master of Science, not some little MA like that of your wife, with Home Sewing classes and Chalkboard Maintenance. No "Life Experience credits" allowed in hard science, like they apparently do for an MA, but I guess you are still guessing, not having a college degree yourself?

I was trying to help,but you are SO insecure, you got angry. And nastiness: I guess one cannot be nice to an emotional goober who resents achievement.

Now, you cannot buy her an e-Golf, because of your silly emotional resentments.

May 01, 2016
mine is a Master of Science,
With no "discipline" or "school of" on him.

not some little MA like that of your wife, with Home Sewing classes and Chalkboard Maintenance.
Well at least her is in a subject. It's a M.S.Ed. Yours says nothing about a subject.

No "Life Experience credits" allowed in hard science,
"Life Experience" credits is how you got yours. We all know that.

but I guess you are still guessing,
Not guessing Cher. You begged us to look you up, and we did. Stupid people never think somebody is going to buy their wolf tickets.

not having a college degree yourself?
You are worse at guessing than you think I am.

Now, you cannot buy her an e-Golf, because of your silly emotional resentments.
I told you, I do not get to pick out Mrs-Ira-Skippette's cars. She can pick out her own, and if she wants the e-Golf (like you don't have) she will be proud enough of it to register him with the DMV like you did not do for yours

May 01, 2016
Like george kamburoff the psychopath is a hero to his own wife after he squandered all her money on expensive solar gadgets and e-cars just so he could brag about it to his imaginary admirers.
Well he can't be so proud of him, he did not register him with the DMV. Not in his name or Mrs-glam-Skippette's name either. Nobody at his address has. Best $15 I spend this month as far as recreation goes.

Now I am waiting for him to tell us more lies about how powerful his solar panes are. Can you believe this moron would continue to lie about how much they produce AFTER he sent me a picture of the tiny little hobbyist kit he put up? Yeah, that is a dumb question, I am sure you can believe he is even more stupid than that.


May 01, 2016
Eighteen panels, Toots. 4.59kW.

What do you have? Anything clean?

Your silly fixation on me gets you all riled up and you forget what you are doing, . . like Grumpy.

Go pay some more money to look me up. I'm worth it.

May 01, 2016
"You wrote over 11,000 comments here in 18 months, probably 3,000 of them, . . "
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You really DO have a fixation on me. When you country folk find real people who have actually done things, you get all giddy.

Are you otto?

May 01, 2016
Eighteen panels, Toots. 4.59kW.
Sure, if you say so.

What do you have? Anything clean?
I was not foolish enough to post up tall tales and lies to make me seem "experienced" and "in the field" like you are. So what I got is not anymore important than what you don't have.

Your silly fixation on me gets you all riled up and you forget what you are doing,
I will get the credit for one thing Cher, you sure are consistent with the goofy stuffs. Cher, this is not me "riled up".This is me having the fun with you. If I was "riled up" I would do something different. Do you do things over and over that get you "riled up"? Well maybe you are that kind of idiot. Peoples like me quit doing things if they get us "riled up".

Go pay some more money to look me up.
When I run out of the free stuffs you give out here, I just might do that. $15 to be able to make the fun with "your" electric car with confidence was worth it,

May 01, 2016
"You wrote over 11,000 comments here in 18 months, probably 3,000 of them, . . "
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You really DO have a fixation on me.


The nice peoples at the physorg are nice enough to pass out that information for free and make easy to get. You act like it was troublesome, eh? Took about 30 seconds to cipher out.

I would be glad to walk you through it so you can do it all by your self whenever you want to do it. It takes less time than typing this one postum.

Are you otto?
I suppose that is one of those rhetoric questions. Don't know what it means so I don't know if it is witty or not. Or maybe not considering what a moron you are. In case you really are that dumb,,, Non Cher. I am not Otto-Skippy.

May 01, 2016
"When I run out of the free stuffs you give out here, I just might do that."
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Oh, good. Let me know if you can find the Letter of Favorable Communication from Douglas Aircraft for my work on the Boeing EC-135N at Edwards AFB in October of 1966. I'll give you a hundred bucks to find it and send it to me.

May 01, 2016
"Yeah, I think it is a fine idea. I got no problem with it. That way VW gets to pass along their fines and penalties for the diesel scamming to the buyers of the electric cars and the German tax payers." - Uncle Ira

Very perceptive comment, Ira. nice work on the DMV for gskam.
Isn't this guy something else?


May 02, 2016
Yeah, nice work, except I am driving the car with the license plates they sent me.

This is a good lesson in your pathetic plans. Looking things up on the internet is not a good way to impress anybody. Actually doing things might work. I do not know why Ira cold not find the car, but I have an idea - he is not capable.

Okay, Ira, produce for me the Letter of Favorable Communication from Douglas regarding the EC-135N, and I will apologize.


May 02, 2016
A hundred bucks, Ira. You could take Mrs Skippette out to dinner on me, and yuck it up.

But why would Douglas Aircraft send me a letter for working on a Boeing aircraft? The answer is in the Letter.

May 02, 2016
But why would Douglas Aircraft send me a letter for working on a Boeing aircraft?
I don't know why they would.

The answer is in the Letter.
Then why are you asking me? What do I have to do with any of that? I was not even borned way back then.

Oh, I see. This more of your rhetoric questions you use for smoke and mirrors and distractions when you get caught telling one of your lies. Cher, I know you think that you have a winner there. But all it does is attract more attention to you getting caught in the lie again.

Now why you don't go take a drive around the neighborhood in your "electric car"? But be careful, the DMV don't issue tags for the "Hover-Around" scooters you elderly peoples is so fond of, so don't be driving your "electric car" in the roadways.

May 02, 2016
You can't find it, can you?

Heck, you could not even find my registered automobile in the official records, the one outside right now.

The Letter, Ira,. . . a hundred bucks. Think of how happy you will be showing Mrs Skippete how smart you are, outfoxing those experienced guys.

May 02, 2016
You can't find it, can you?
Find what?

Heck, you could not even find my registered automobile in the official records, the one outside right now.
How you expect me to find something that you don't really have? Not me Cher, the California DMV is the one who "lost" your electric car.

The Letter, Ira,. . . a hundred bucks.
What letter Cher? You keep begging me to find some letter for you. Find him your self if you want him that bad. What do this letter got to do with the electric car you don't have?

Think of how happy you will be showing Mrs Skippete how smart you are, outfoxing those experienced guys.
You sure do come up with some really stupid stuffs to use as smoke and mirrors and distractions from getting caught in your electric car lie. I am happy with Mrs-Ira-Skippette without your letters if it's all the same to you. Skippy, you are one weird old man you.

May 02, 2016
Well Ira, either you are the liar or you are too incompetent to find my car in official records.

Pathetic.

You do not want to look up that letter because of what it might say. Having seen my performance reviews, it could be scary.

May 02, 2016
Well Ira, either you are the liar or you are too incompetent to find my car in official records.
I can't find a unicorn at the Audubon Park Zoo either, for the same reason the California DMV can't find your electric car.

Pathetic.
Yeah, you are that. An old man who spends his autumn years trolling and spamming the interweb trying to make like he is still "with it" and "ahead of the pack".

You do not want to look up that letter because of what it might say.
I do not want to look up the letter because I don't care what it might say. I am pretty certain it does not say anything about the electric car you lied to us about.

Having seen my performance reviews, it could be scary.
Scary? Seriously? Skippy, are you going out of your way to find really goofy stuffs to write?

May 02, 2016
You spent fifteen bucks and FAILED to find my car?

Hilarious!

Show me yours.

May 02, 2016
You spent fifteen bucks and FAILED to find my car?
I was not looking for your "car". I spent $15 to get the DMV to verify my suspicions, you don't own one. Not one that is registered in California you don't. And non Cher, your "Hover-Around" scooter don't count.

Hilarious!
Now you are getting it. That's what I have been trying to tell you.

Show me yours.
I am not the one who has spent more than 1000 postums here crowing about my electric car. How I going to show you something I never said I had? You really are dumber than a cypress stump, or a cactus stump if that is what you have out there in California.

May 02, 2016
" I spent $15 to get the DMV to verify my suspicions, you don't own one. Not one that is registered in California you don't."
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We have two cars, Toots, and you cannot find either one in official records?

Does somebody show you the way home every day?

May 02, 2016
No "Life Experience credits" allowed in hard science, like they apparently do for an MA
Environmental management is not a hard science, something george kamburoff would know if he actually had a degree in the field.

But you dont. You only lie about it.

Thanks for continually demonstrating what a critical danger psychopaths are to society. George kamburoff serves as a shining example of why they should never be allowed to have power over the lives of other people.

I suggest you guys should have pink licence plates on your e-cars. But you even lie about that don't you george?

May 02, 2016
"Environmental management is not a hard science"
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As if you knew, . . .

May 04, 2016
Of course I know you fucking dimwit and so does everybody else who participates here.

And you DONT know what the term means.

May 08, 2016
cool give them money so they can lie to us again. After cheating on mileage consume on IC cars and other emissions now they lie to us how their battery system will last 5years at 80% efficiency and how it can travel for almost 300 miles on one charge... cool...

May 08, 2016
" now they lie to us how their battery system will last 5years at 80% efficiency and how it can travel for almost 300 miles on one charge... cool..."
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Really? Do you have one? I do, and I love it.

Tell me about yours.

Fact is, ours is clean, almost silent, needs no gas or oil, no filters, no changes, no tuneups, no transmission, very cheap to operate, and drives like a sports car.

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