GM to launch dual-fuel car in 2014

Oct 17, 2013
The General Motors logo is seen at the North American International Auto Show in this January 12, 2009 file photo in Detroit, Michigan.

General Motors said Wednesday it will launch a car next year with the ability to operate on both gasoline and compressed natural gas, taking advantage of abundant US gas supplies.

GM chairman and chief executive Dan Akerson unveiled the new dual-fuel Chevrolet Impala at an energy summit in Washington marking the 40th anniversary of the OPEC oil embargo.

The 2015 model year sedan will be offered to customers beginning in mid-2014. GM says it will be the only manufacturer-produced full-size bi-fuel sedan in North America.

Akerson said the bi-fuel Impala would use "affordable technology" to reduce oil consumption and save consumers money at the pump

The powertrain will switch "seamlessly" from to gasoline at the touch of a dashboard button.

The car will have a range of up to 500 miles (800 kilometers), and its ability to use both fuels will reduce user fears over replenishing the tank in a natural gas-only vehicle.

GM, the largest US automaker, pointed to as a cleaner-burning transportation fuel compared with petroleum products and its significantly lower cost than gasoline at current prices.

The conference—OPEC Oil Embargo + 40: A National Summit on Energy Security—was focused on the 1973 OPEC oil embargo that crippled the economy and assessing the country's dependence on imports.

"We know that US energy security won't come from a one-off moonshot," Akerson said.

"It will flow from our systematic investment in technology and innovation," including a drive to get more from existing sources and renewables and a commitment to conservation.

"And it will be assured by fully and safely exploiting our shale gas reserves," he said.

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italba
4 / 5 (4) Oct 17, 2013
GM already sells dual fuel cars in Europe, branded Opel and Chevrolet. Where is the news?
ScottyB
1.4 / 5 (11) Oct 17, 2013


GM already sells dual fuel cars in Europe, branded Opel and Chevrolet. Where is the news?

think its new to America, seem's strange though as battery tech is taking off.
antialias_physorg
4 / 5 (4) Oct 17, 2013
think its new to America, seem's strange though as battery tech is taking off.

Was thinking the same thing. 10 years ago such a concept might have been a good idea. Now it looks like they are (way) late to the race and going in the wrong direction.
Unless natural gas will soon become dirt cheap (and why should it?) this seems like a non-starter.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.9 / 5 (13) Oct 17, 2013
It is dirt cheap at $2/gal vs 3.60 for petrol. It uses proven tech, keeps the parts supply and service infrastructures
in business, offers the dual-fuel capability, and maintains the satisfying vroom coveted by Detroit fans.

Lithium supplies are restricted and subject to political problems. The US and the world has vast untapped reserves of NG. And it is clean.

Interesting side fact - wind now supplies 1/5 as much energy now as nuclear does. I see blades on trucks driving by frequently.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.7 / 5 (11) Oct 17, 2013
"Although the current dominant battery type for hybrid electric vehicles is nickel metal hydride, lithium-ion battery technology is considered by many to be the "power source of choice for sustainable transport," says Ona Egbue, a doctoral student in engineering management."

"The majority of known lithium reserves are located in China, Chile, Argentina and Australia."

-If anything, CNG tech gives the west leverage in maintaining it's supply of lithium.

"Due to political instability, there is a question of U.S. access to materials produced in Bolivia, which holds the world's largest lithium resource"
italba
3.8 / 5 (4) Oct 17, 2013
@TheGhostofOtto1923: Chile, Argentina and Australia are not "western" enough for you? And what about Canada or Europe? Anyway, Lithium is not a rare element at all, it's the 25th most abundant on the earth, and the huge request for it is just starting. When geologists will start chasing for lithium deposits as for oil now, they'll find more and more lithium sources. And, remember, we are not burning lithium, from an exausted battery we can get back almost all lithium used to build it.
Leeven
1.7 / 5 (12) Oct 17, 2013
so Where is the EV 1 from General Motors then ? Fully Eletriccars that are Chargeable at your own home that is something and the GM EV1 has shown that it is possible.
how many people drive more than 160 miles per day for at least 70% of the people this much would work (edit: think about what where now possible with actual batteries...)

Google for "GM EV1 WIKI" to learn more about how gm sucks...

Hybridcars are the biggest stupid crap ever... but hey dont try to stop the oil industry
italba
3 / 5 (4) Oct 17, 2013
EV1 is dead, rest in peace. If GM "managers" where not the bunch of idiots they are GM will be a much better company. Anyway, hybrid cars now are gasoline cars with small electric "helper" motors: The right way should be the opposite, full electric cars with small fuel electric generators for long trips, best if swappable with another battery.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.4 / 5 (11) Oct 17, 2013
Argentina and Australia are not "western" enough for you?... Anyway, Lithium... 25th most abundant
You did not bother to google the excerpts I posted so here is a link on a platter for you:
http://news.mst.e...hain_ch/

"More than 90 percent of lithium reserves – what is economically feasible to extract – are in just four countries," Egbue says. "The geopolitical dynamics of this distribution of lithium supplies has largely been ignored... Due to political instability, there is a question of U.S. access to materials produced in Bolivia, which holds the world's largest lithium resource and has new production projects in the pipeline, she says."

"Chile's foreign policy following the World Wars can be seen has largely rooted in the presidents, and in their executive powers... As the 1960's progressed, however, relations between Chile and the United States became more strained...Resentment between the two countries increased"

-Things change.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.4 / 5 (11) Oct 17, 2013
"Lithium carbonate producers, based in Northern Chile, now play a dominant role in world production... SQM drove down the market price by about 50%. This in turn forced the effective closure of, or reduction of production, at higher cost mining operations in the United States, Russia, Australia, Argentina and China... most if not all of the predicted increase in lithium demand should be supplied from Chile... will not bring exhaustion of these resources for more than a century."

"Chile has suddenly started behaving in a manner more akin to some of its neighbours. The past two months have seen huge protest marches by students... the main trade-union confederation tried to bring the country to a halt in a two-day general strike—the most ambitious stoppage since the 1980s..."

"70 percent of the population over age 14 identified as Roman Catholic..."

-Chile pop growth rate has slowed but is still comparable with the world. World pops are expected to double by the end of the century.
italba
3.7 / 5 (3) Oct 17, 2013
@TheGhostofOtto1923: Maybe if USA wouldn't have planned and supported the bloody dictatorship of Augusto Pinochet they would be more sympathetic to Chilean students. And Roman Catholic probably means half-communist in your distorted brain. Anyway if Chile would close its lithium mines tomorrow, other mines out of business now could become profitable again and continue to give lithium. Prices would eventually grow, as it happened more and more times with oil, but nothing get lost. I wonder, if you fear the political instability of those countries, how do you tolerate to keep buying oil from middle East? Maybe you'll better switch back to coal, or close those socialistic national parks and burn out all the useless wood!
dtxx
1 / 5 (10) Oct 17, 2013
The latin lithium cartels will eclipse the world dominance and sheer terror of the current latin cocaine/meth cartels.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.4 / 5 (10) Oct 18, 2013
No I equate roman Catholicism with mandated overpopulation and inevitable discontet and instability. Oppressive military dictatorships and Castro-type regimes are usually required to contain religion-dominated cultures, and the level of oppression has to increase over time to maintain order.

Per the info I gave you, chile is keeping prices artificially low in order to maintain their corner the market. If they stopped producing, prices would skyrocket. This is one reason to develop an alternative to electric cars.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.7 / 5 (11) Oct 18, 2013
oil from middle east
Consumption of this commodity by the west is how the west has maintained influence over the region. Without this influence human nature would have taken it's course, local govts would have collapsed in turmoil, and a new Islamist caliphate would have emerged, dedicated to spreading sharia law over the entire planet.

After the dissolution of the last one, the west prudently divided up all the nationalist entities and located their fragments within the borders of artificial countries, so that none could achieve dominance.

The purchase of oil supported and maintained the govts of these countries and enabled them to contain and manage the conflicts among these fragments within their borders.

Of course the west has supported oppressive regimes. Why do you think they were created? Egyptians and palestinians were given relative freedom and what did they do? They elected Islamist leaders intent on creating an Islamist empire. What did we expect?
italba
3 / 5 (4) Oct 18, 2013
@TheGhostofOtto1923: You'll better wash-up your opinions with real facts: Italy, probably the most catholic country, has one of the lowest birth rate in the world. Brasil has the same birth rate of Europe Union or Canada, Uruguay about the same of USA, Chile less than 1% higher. If Chile really keep lithium price artificially low, it will grow up eventually. So what? Raw lithium price is only a little part of the total battery cost! About the "caliphate" danger: Fanatic Islamists are only a low percentage of total Muslims. They grow up mostly in reaction of previous "western-like" government, undemocratic and corrupted. And Islamic nations want not to join with their "brother" states in a evil empire. The only place where fanatic Islamists ever ruled was in Afghanistan, thanks to the support of guess who?
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.7 / 5 (11) Oct 18, 2013
Italy... Brasil ... paraguay... Chile...
This conversion has only happened within the last few generations, and only in selected countries. In the balkans, northern ireland, and throughout africa, believers who take their bible literally are still causing problems arent they?

In rwanda and burundi priests actively encouraged the mutual slaughter of hutu and tutsi which resulted in 2 or 3 million dead. These countries are still among the fastest growing in the world.

Joseph kony and his xian LRA are slaughtering on a similar scale and conscripting children to assist them in the task. Serb xians were purging their country of nonbelievers until the west intervened. In northern ireland they are still killing other in christs name.

Paraguay, bolivia, venezuela, and many central american countries all have unsustainable growth rates comparable to egypt and cambodia which themselves are at present experiencing critical unrest and destabilization. Chile is not immune.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.1 / 5 (11) Oct 18, 2013
only a low percentage of total Muslims
Well thats all it takes isnt it? But count heads at the next muslim brotherhood rally in egypt. There are millions of such fanatics throughout the middle east.
They grow up mostly in reaction of previous "western-like" government
HORSESHIT. They grow up hungry and unemployed and ready to fight because there areTOO MANY of them. Their mothers were told that god would provide for however many babies they could make. And they were not allowed to do anything else, but make and raise babies.

Religions force growth with the intent of outgrowing and overrunning their enemies. They will attack anyone who has more than they do, and who doesnt worship god in exactly the same way.

It was exactly the same way in germany, russia, and italy before the wars. Religion CAUSED those wars. And religion will be responsible for the next world war for exactly the same reasons. This war has already begun. Kashmir and the west bank are the sudetenlands.
italba
3 / 5 (2) Oct 18, 2013
@TheGhostofOtto1923:
This conversion has only happened within the last few generations, and only in selected countries. In the balkans, northern ireland, and throughout africa, believers who take their bible literally are still causing problems arent they?
Add some million idiots in the bible belt states of USA too. But why the situation in "selected countries within last few generations" changed? Because those countries are, more or less, RICH and those new generations are EDUCATED! It is not the bigotry the reason of poverty or overpopulation, it's the consequence! People who has nothing, or know nothing, find in the religion some sort of answer, a hope for their lives. Give them a decent house, honestly paid jobs and some education and they'll start to use their brain. You are overestimating religion if you think that every fight has a religious reason. Main reasons are ethnic, social, racial, economical, religion will follow. Every party say "God is with us"!
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.4 / 5 (10) Oct 18, 2013
Because those countries are, more or less, RICH
-Like rich brazilian catholics who sit by while their rainforests are being devoured at alarming rates by exploding pops who are only trying to earn a living.

"Since 1970, over 600,000 square kilometers (230,000 sq mi) of Amazon rainforest have been destroyed. In 2012, the Amazon was approximately 5.4 million square kilometres, which is only 87% of the Amazon's original state"
and those new generations are EDUCATED
Fundamentalists are well educated to the fact that anything you have to teach them is evil. Many spend most of their lives being instructed about their books, including catholics. And the books all tell them 1) to fill up the earth by any and all means and 2) to displace any unbelievers they may run into. By any and all means.
Every party say "God is with us"
-Including nazis. 'Gott mit Uns' was stamped on their belt buckles.

Overpopulation is the cause of war. Religion is the vehicle which makes them work.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.4 / 5 (10) Oct 18, 2013
Give them a decent house, honestly paid jobs and some education and they'll start to use their brain
Why dont you offer these guys your decadent western corruption and see what they have to say?

"Boko Haram (pronounced [bōːkòː hàrâm], "Western education is sinful") — is an Islamic jihadist militant organisation based in the northeast of Nigeria, north Cameroon and Niger. Founded by Mohammed Yusuf in 2001, the organisation seeks to establish a "pure" Islamic state ruled by sharia law, putting a stop to what it deems "Westernization." The group is known for attacking Christians and government targets, bombing churches, attacking schools and police stations, but has also assassinated members of the Islamic establishment. Violence linked to the Boko Haram insurgency has resulted in an estimated 10,000 deaths between 2001 and 2013 and roughly 3,600 killed, including 1,600 civilians between 2009 and 2013"

-20M died in the Taiping Rebellion. This was inspired by baptist missionaries.
italba
3.7 / 5 (3) Oct 18, 2013
I still can't understand how can you compare Latin America countries with African ones. In Latin America there are no racial, ethnic or religious conflicts, their GDP is growing at high rates, government are quite democratic now. Argentina and Bolivia population is growing? But are still underpopulated countries, quite far from European or North American standards. Lastly, let me say that your catastrophic opinions on the next world war for religious reasons are quite exaggerated, study some history and you'll find that religious reasons were never the only neither the main, not even for crusades.
italba
3.7 / 5 (3) Oct 18, 2013
Like rich brazilian catholics who sit by while their rainforests are being devoured at alarming rates by exploding pops who are only trying to earn a living.
In Europe and in North America we already destroyed our forests, and, as I wrote before, Brasil has the same birth rate of European Union or Canada, so what are you talking about?
Fundamentalists are well educated to the fact that anything you have to teach them is evil. Many spend most of their lives being instructed about their books, including catholics. And the books all tell them 1) to fill up the earth by any and all means and 2) to displace any unbelievers they may run into. By any and all means.
This is not education. This is ignorance.
Overpopulation is the cause of war
Not the only one. Money is it more
Religion is the vehicle which makes them work.
Very schematic and amateurish point of view.
italba
3 / 5 (2) Oct 18, 2013
@TheGhostofOtto1923:
Why dont you offer these guys your decadent western corruption and see what they have to say?

"Boko Haram ...
They'll probably keep saying the same and killing the same, but they would be, sooner or later, inevitably defeated as happened in Italy with Brigate Rosse, in Germany with Rote Armee Fraktion / Baader-Meinhof or in Japan with Aum Shinrikyo gangs. Such terrorists organizations can only prosper within miserable people.
Eikka
1.6 / 5 (13) Oct 19, 2013
how many people drive more than 160 miles per day


The question is rather, how frequently you drive more than 160 miles, because nearly all drivers take a road trip to somewhere at least some number of times. But the EV1 didn't actually go that far unless in optimal conditions, and adding in rear seats would have increased the size and weight of the vehicle enough to effectively halve the range. Electric car afficionados are trying to make it into some sort of myth, but it really was just a small low-performance two-seater with very limited range, that cost way too much to make and GM was making a 2/3 loss over them to make them affordable.

The only reason they ever built the EV1 was because of CARB which pretty much told they had to produce a number of them so they could sell other cars in California, so instead of selling they leased them out to avoid another law that said they'd have to keep supplying parts for them even after they ended production.
italba
5 / 5 (1) Oct 19, 2013
...how frequently you drive more than 160 miles...
This can be solved in many different ways. Fast charging batteries, swappable batteries, auxiliary fuel electric generators.
...it really was just a small low-performance two-seater ... that cost way too much to make and GM was making a 2/3 loss over them to make them affordable.
If properly designed an electric car should cost less then a comparable gas car. It's quite normal that the first prototype of a new kind of cars costs too much. Daimler Benz (Mercedes) lost many million dollars with its "smart" brand, but they are interested in the small cars sector so they keep building it. GM managers, clearly, where more interested in the SUV sector than in the electrical one.
arq
2 / 5 (3) Oct 20, 2013
Natural gas has always been a far cheaper 'less polluting' alternative than batteries for vehicles. Maybe for two wheelers someday since people dont travel as far or as fast on them as they do with fourwheelers, but still very expensive for four wheelers.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.5 / 5 (8) Oct 20, 2013

Latin America... No racial ethnic religious differences
You are naive. Of course there are. You just didn't bother to research it.

"Racial and ethnic discrimination is common in Latin America where socio-economic status generally correlates with perceived whiteness, and indigenous status and perceived African ancestry is generally correlated with poverty and lack of opportunity and social status."

-And slums exist throughout Latin America, an indication along with deforestation that rural pops are exploding.
http://en.wikiped...i/Favela

-These are the conditions which foster unrest, expressed in revolutionary groups such as the contras.
Inevitably defeated
You are naive. Terrorists founded the US, the state of Israel, and the third Reich. The Mongols were terrorists who founded the largest empire in history.
not education
You are NAIVE. Of course it is. Teaching women to read is an abomination unto god. Giving them alternatives to making babies is evil.
racistblackguy
1 / 5 (13) Oct 20, 2013

Teaching women to read is an abomination unto god. Giving them alternatives to making babies is evil.


TheGhostofOtto1923 yet again displays his Dissociative Identity Disorder and other mental disorders.

Nowhere in the Christian or Jewish bible does it say that teaching women to read is an abomination. TheGhostofOtto is clearly delusional.

And nowhere in the Christian or Jewish bible does it say that either Christianity or Judaic Law forces women to have babies whether they want to or not. It is impossible to predict the exact time of conception, if any, or its outcome.

As always, TheGhostofOtto1923 confuses the pleasure of the sex act between a man and a woman with a religious mandate to produce as many children as possible to "overgrow and overrun" other populations. Otto obsesses over population growth for the purpose of making war and seems to be repulsed by the idea of the sexual act as an expression of love, rather than making babies.
italba
5 / 5 (2) Oct 20, 2013
@TheGhostofOtto1923: You are trying to adjust the reality to your opinions, that is a very bad symptom for your mental sanity.
1) You quoted my post
Latin America... No racial ethnic religious differences
while I wrote
racial ethnic religious CONFLICTS!
I mean, at least, something worse than the banlieu riots in France or the Los Angeles ghetto uprisings.
2) Favelas where caused only secondly from population grown, mostly from the movement of country people to the cities, as happened in Europe and in USA during the last century. As I wrote more than once, birth rate of the whole Latin America is now LESS than the USA one.
3) Maybe you didn't find the right informations about contras? I'll help you. Try to search for Ronald Reagan, Iran-contra, C.I.A., Oliver North. Everything but revolutionary groups.
4) All the movements you wrote about where supported, more or less, by the majority of their people. Al Queda, Talebans, Boko Haram and similar crap are not.
(contnue)
italba
5 / 5 (2) Oct 20, 2013
(continued)
5) Read about Malala Yousafzay and the reaction her shooting had in Islamic countries. Consider also that in Afghanistan the female students percentage grown from about zero in Taliban era to more than 50% now.

Lastly, maybe I'm naive, but your posts looks like they where written by a plain idiot.
Eikka
1.3 / 5 (12) Oct 21, 2013
This can be solved in many different ways. Fast charging batteries, swappable batteries, auxiliary fuel electric generators.


It can, but those solutions don't yet exist in the extent that people could actually use them, and they have hidden costs such as the price of the extra batteries laying around waiting for swappers.

If properly designed an electric car should cost less then a comparable gas car.


It's not really a design choice, or not really comparable. If you want to have an electric car with the size and performance of a regular cheap four seater economy car, the batteries alone would cost twice the price of said regular car.

That's because a regular 45 liter (12 gal) tank of gasoline will get your regular car twice as far as the Tesla Model S will go on the largest battery, and the largest battery already costs as much as your regular economy car.

The battery can't cost more than the engine system it replaces to make the car affordable.
Eikka
1.6 / 5 (13) Oct 21, 2013
As far as regular cars go, the cost of the engine and fuel systems represents roughly 25% of the price of the car. Some less, some more.

Considering that you can get new economy cars for as little as $12,000 and the Tesla battery now is roughly $30,000 the battery and motor system must drop about 90% in price before you can have half the range of a gasoline vehicle in an otherwise identical electric car.

If the prices fall at a rate of 10% per year, it's going to take just 22 years to get there, so be ready to line up at your dealership in 2035!

Meanwhile I'd just rather install a dual fuel system.
QuixoteJ
1.3 / 5 (12) Oct 21, 2013
As far as regular cars go, the cost of the engine and fuel systems represents roughly 25% of the price of the car. Some less, some more.

Considering that you can get new economy cars for as little as $12,000 and the Tesla battery now is roughly $30,000 the battery and motor system must drop about 90% in price before you can have half the range of a gasoline vehicle in an otherwise identical electric car.

If the prices fall at a rate of 10% per year, it's going to take just 22 years to get there, so be ready to line up at your dealership in 2035
And even then, 50 - 60% of all electric vehicles will still technically burn fossil fuels.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (8) Oct 21, 2013
nowhere in the bible
Teaching the lying psychotic pussytard, who wants us to believe that she is a black male psychiatrist who gives out free diagnosis on science news websites, to read is an abomination unto god.
no conflict
Again, no research. Lazy? The continent has a long history of violent civil unrest, fueled by exploding pops.

Vaccine revolt "...the excited population looted shops, overturned and burned trams, made barricades, pulled out tracks, broke poles, and attacked government forces"

"The 2013 protests in Brazil, also known as the V for Vinegar Movement... ongoing public demonstrations in several Brazilian cities"

"devastating economic crisis and days of rioting that left 22 people dead and homes and supermarkets across Argentina ransacked"

-And the US did not create the contras or Che Guevara or any of the revolutionary movements. These arose due to popular discontent.

Castro was a terrorist by the way did you know it? Got his own country now.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (7) Oct 21, 2013
birthrate of whole Latin America
No the growth rate is comparable not the birth rate. And it varies widely among countries and regions. I listed above a few countries whose growth is among the highest in the world.

Growth can slow due to high infant mortality, starvation, emigration, poor health, shortened lives, etc. Slums, class riots, crime, deforestation, all indicate that whole regions are over carrying capacity, which could lead to disruptions in commodity exports including lithium.

And as we know overgrowth is the fault of, and the purpose of, the organized religions. Explosive pop growth in religionist rural pops forces migration into city slums which breeds unrest and inevitable violence.

MS13 and other such gangs are bred in overcrowded slums. They feed off the people and export themselves along with waves of emigrants, to infect other countries.
italba
5 / 5 (4) Oct 21, 2013
@Eikka:
...hidden costs such as the price of the extra batteries laying around waiting...the batteries alone would cost twice the price of said regular car...

This has already been solved. Nissan, Smart, Renault sells their cars WITHOUT batteries, and the owner just lease them! So you can choose the battery more suited to your driving needs, have no problem with battery replacement, swap the battery with a different one if you need more capacity. The actual cost of an electric car versus a regular one is due to the production numbers. A Ferrari costs so much not only for its special parts and precise assembly, but because it must be built in a less serialized way.
Meanwhile I'd just rather install a dual fuel system

It's the most economical way now, but it has no future. You can use the same natural gas in a fuel cell to recharge a small battery as you go in a full electric car. In that way you'll save at lest half of the fuel you burn today.
italba
5 / 5 (4) Oct 21, 2013
@QuixoteJ
And even then, 50 - 60% of all electric vehicles will still technically burn fossil fuels.

Until we get most of our power from fossil fuel you're right, but this percentage will automatically decrease with each renewable power plant we'll build.
italba
5 / 5 (5) Oct 21, 2013
@TheGhostofOtto1923:
history of violent civil unrest...Vaccine revolt...

1904! Do you think we should avoid to make business with USA because of the civil war?
...protests in 2013 Brasil...22 deaths in Argentina...

There is a protest now in Italy if you want to count it... Maybe because of Roman Catholic church? By the way, in 1992 Los Angeles ghetto riot there where some 53 death and more than 2000 injures.
And the US did not create the contras...
And you say that I did not do research? Go read about it!
Castro was a terrorist by the way did you know it? Got his own country now.
If you want to give the exact meaning to the words, Castro was not a terrorist. You can call him patriot, guerrillero, something like that but he was fighting a dictatorship with a guerrilla army, more similar of what Garibaldi or Washington or Simon Bolivar did in their ages. After the victory he became a sort of dictator himself, but this is another story.
italba
5 / 5 (4) Oct 21, 2013
@TheGhostofOtto1923:
...No the growth rate is comparable not the birth rate...
The birth rate stand for the grown rate as the acceleration stands for speed. With a low birth rate the total population can continue to grow up somewhat, until there are a lot of young people. That grown will slow down as the age of the population increase until it will stop completely. Total population will then start decreasing, as it's happening now in some European countries.
...as we know overgrowth is the fault of, and the purpose of, the organized religions. Explosive pop growth in religionist rural pops forces migration into city slums which breeds unrest and inevitable violence. MS13...
NO! Overgrown is caused by IGNORANCE (women doesn't know how to avoid pregnancies) and misery! And what has to do a mafia gang like MS13 with religion?
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (9) Oct 21, 2013
[qhe was fighting a dictatorship with a guerrilla army "His 26 of July movement used terrorism in his fight against Batista and later, Cuban trained guerrillas have been using terrorism against democratically elected governments in Latin America for 50 years... Members of Castro's 26 of July movement bombed stores, nightclubs and other public places, without caring how many people died or were hurt... Castro has also trained and equipped Puerto Rican terrorists..." etc.

-I cant help it if you dont know what a terrorist is.
1904! Do you think
Yeah I do think that latin america has a long history of religion-fueled instability, violence, revolution, and war. None of which are good for dependable commodities markets.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (8) Oct 21, 2013
Chile for instance, where all that lithium comes from.

1973 Pinochet coup
"... initially backed by many Chileans fed up with hyperinflation, food shortages and factory takeovers. But it destroyed a system they had proudly described as Latin America's strongest democracy.

"Pinochet cut short [marxist] Allende's reforms. He privatized pension and water systems, slashed trade barriers and encouraged exports... Pinochet shut down Congress, outlawed political parties and sent thousands of dissidents into exile... 40,018 people were killed, tortured or imprisoned for political reasons..."

"To his loyalists, Pinochet is still the fatherly figure who championed Chile's economic growth and kept it from becoming a failed socialist state... The anniversary of the coup is often marked by violence. Vandals clashed with police, throwing rocks and gasoline bombs.. Police arrested 68..."

"The main motto of the chilean students protest is "In an unequal country we should all fight..."
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (8) Oct 21, 2013
Overgrown is caused by IGNORANCE
"An incredibly rural and conservative country, more Yemeni women die as a result of childbirth than in most Middle Eastern countries. And despite the high risks, women have an average of six children in their lifetime"

"raising children is one of the main purposes of marriage in Islam... If they are not trained properly and educated adequately, it will be detrimental to the future of the society. Children are a blessing of Allah and a source of happiness."

"Egypt's Islamists warn giving women some rights could destroy society
"The Muslim Brotherhood warned the declaration would give girls sexual freedom, legalize abortion, provide teenagers with contraceptives..."

-These people ARE very well educated to the FACT that avoiding pregnancy is a sin. You seem to be ignorant of this FACT.

"If a woman takes medicine that causes abortion, she would be liable for the punishment of a murderer."
italba
5 / 5 (3) Oct 21, 2013
@TheGhostofOtto1923: You continue to slip from theology to geopolitics to history and to repeat meaningless sentences about whatever goes trough your head. Sorry, I don't want to follow you in this silly game. If you really think that a nation should not rebel to a dictator and that every war of liberation should be called "terrorism", it's just not worth to discuss with you. Latin America is not heaven, but is a much more stable continent than Africa or Middle East. If you really think we should not make business with them because of a 110 years ago riot, or the 1973 CIA supported coup d'etat in Chile, while we had 2 world wars, Fascism, Nazism, Communism, racism, dictatorships, again it's not worth to discuss with you. Lastly, if you really think that Yemeni woman WANTS to have at least 6 babies, quoting raving pseudo Islamic sentences probably taken from some neo-Nazi booklets and ignore that in some USA state abortion was illegal until 1992, every discussion is useless.
Eikka
1 / 5 (7) Oct 22, 2013
This has already been solved. Nissan, Smart, Renault sells their cars WITHOUT batteries, and the owner just lease them!


No it doesn't. You still need one battery in the car that's being driven, and a number of other batteries waiting at each swapping station you may want to drive to. That means there's more than one battery per car, which means the total cost of ownership goes up.

It's not like the leasing company gives the extra batteries for you to use for free.

It's the most economical way now, but it has no future.


Yes it does. Fuel cells increase efficiency and improve on range, and power-to-methane plants can produce synthetic CNG out of renewable energy.

You can use the same natural gas in a fuel cell to recharge a small battery as you go in a full electric car. In that way you'll save at lest half of the fuel you burn today.


It's more efficient to drive the car directly from the fuel cell rather than waste power recharging batteries with it.
Eikka
1 / 5 (8) Oct 22, 2013
There is actually a synergy between renewable energy and CNG cars, because wind and solar power need large reserve capacities to sink all the excess peak power they make once you scale the systems up to produce significant amounts of energy. One of the most economical and useful ways to store that energy is to turn it into methane.

One could argue that storing the same energy into electric car batteries would be more efficient, but the problem there becomes that the electric car batteries would beed to be waiting empty all the time and not being driven around when you get a power peak.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (6) Oct 22, 2013
I don't want to follow you
Perhaps logic and concentration for even brief periods of time causes you physical pain? Chronic tv watching may be responsible.
rebel to a dictator
People have no need to rebel when there is enough for everybody. As pops grow past the carrying capacity of the region they live in, people begin to suffer. They begin to retreat into groups and these groups begin to prey upon one another, such as MS13.

And they will all blame whichever govt is in power, no matter how benevolent or well-meaning that govt tends to be.

Civil unrest ensues and govts are forced to become more strict to maintain order and stability. Mass migration, slums, ecological ruin, inflation, organized crime, corruption, riots, insurgencies, revolution, and war are ALL indications of overpopulation. All are present throughout Latin America.

Religions are designed to exploit these conditions. They thrive on misery and want. They CREATE it by forcing people to procreate.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (7) Oct 22, 2013
women want to have 6 babies
We are tropical animals. Our repro rate evolved in response to the high attrition rates of tropical environments. Women are predisposed to producing one baby per year from puberty to age 30 or so, their traditional lifespan.

Humans developed these huge brains however, which makes bearing children more dangerous the older a woman gets. They sense this danger and will want to refrain from getting pregnant long before they are no longer able to do so.

But tribes which could outgrow their neighbors and replace battle losses faster than they, could be expected to prevail. Social constructs which could exploit the natural repro rate while overcoming an older womans natural fear of bearing children would have an advantage.

Religion is the most effective way of doing this. And so ever since god was invented, birthing has been the major cause of death in women.

Our repro rate hasn't changed. Holy books haven't changed. And so we are now in grave peril.
racistblackguy
1.3 / 5 (14) Oct 22, 2013
nowhere in the bible
Teaching the lying psychotic pussytard, who wants us to believe that she is a black male psychiatrist who gives out free diagnosis on science news websites.


In our professional opinion, TheGhostofOtto1923 is seriously mentally challenged. Otto's obsession with his invented person that he calls "pussytard" is just more evidence that he is completely delusional and must defend his feelings of being put upon by this "pussytard" by claiming that others are also the product of Otto's invention.

This obsession that Otto has with his imaginary "pussytard" compels Otto to bring up his obsessive hatred of religion along with his invalidated belief that womens' sole purpose is to conceive and have babies until it kills them. That is a concept that is patently false in any religion. Conceiving babies for the sole purpose of making future soldiers because religion dictates it, is total nonsense.
italba
5 / 5 (2) Oct 22, 2013

No it doesn't. You still need one battery on the car that's being driven, and a number of other batteries waiting at each swapping station you may want to drive to

As you may have guessed, English is not my main language, so I probably did not explain me well. Battery leasing, in my opinion, can address in some way the electric car's high cost problem, not the driving range.

It's more efficient to drive the car directly from the fuel cell rather than waste power recharging batteries ...
Yes and no. If you want to use fuel cells only you must have very powerful cells, as the maximum power of the car should be the maximum cell's output. With a small battery you only need a fuel cell as powerful as the mean power you need, as peaks can be given by the battery. And you can recover some of the braking energy too.
racistblackguy
1.5 / 5 (15) Oct 22, 2013
Humans developed these huge brains however, which makes bearing children more dangerous the older a woman gets. They sense this danger....


Utter nonsense. After the first baby, the accommodating birth canal and the spreading of the pelvic bones are all designed to enable future births unless there is a physical anomaly of the area that requires a medical procedure such as Caesarian Section.

The size of the babies' brain has nothing to do with the ability to bear babies no matter the age of the child-bearing aged mother.

Social constructs which could exploit the natural repro rate while overcoming an older womans natural fear of bearing children would have an advantage.


To what do you owe your belief that older women have a "natural fear" of bearing children? What is your evidence for that belief?

....birthing has been the major cause of death in women.


How about diabetes, high blood pressure, breast cancer, ovarian cancer, heart disease, and many more.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (9) Oct 22, 2013
In our professional opinion, TheGhostofOtto1923 is seriously mentally challenged... pussytard... delusional... "pussytard" ...
Ah come on you moron everybody knows a real psychiatrist wouldnt demean his profession and jeopardize his professional standing by diagnosing people in a public forum.

However most of the people here know that you are a deranged liar. And not very smart. They can view all the evidence they need on my profile page.
http://phys.org/p...tto1923/

Really, why dont you go play-act somewhere else? Wont they let you back in the day room? You know its your own fault dont you?
To what do you owe your belief
To what do you owe your belief that you can successfully pretend to be a doctor or a nurse or a NASA asstrophyzzymatist or a sorghum farmer or a russian or a discerning ufologist who can spot 900 ft tall somnambulated glassyheaded martians in NASA photos?

Dont you think this is the more pertinent question? Dont you pussytard??
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (8) Oct 22, 2013
How about diabetes, high blood pressure, breast cancer, ovarian cancer, heart disease, and many more
How about a brain tumor, systemic abuse at a very early age, genetically-predisposed psychosis, advanced syphilis, chronic lead poisoning, alzheimers, jakob-kreutzfeld, mad-fat-cow disease, munchausen by proxy... termites?

Has your doctor discussed any of these with you? Is there a possibility that you could have forgotten that your doctor discussed any of these with you?
italba
5 / 5 (2) Oct 22, 2013
@TheGhostofOtto 1923:
...logic and concentration...Chronic tv watching...
It is not tv neither concentration difficulty. Not with your posts, anyway: They are so monotonous and stupid, always repeating over and over again the same no-brain religion-overpopulation mantra that they need no concentration at all, not to mention logic. The problem is that with "personalities" like yours every dialogue is impossible. You simply don't care about my answers, you barely read my posts. You use them only as an excuse to post another raving monologue about your personal crusade, and, if I write something that doesn't fit your Weltanschauung, you simply ignore it and pass to another argument. I don't know if you really have a mental problem, like it seems, or you are on purpose spamming your "ideas" that way, I only know that, for me, you should be banned from this forum.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (7) Oct 22, 2013
I only know that, for me, you should be banned from this forum
So lets do a synopsis. You said that lithium is all over. I showed you that it is limited to some potentially unstable sources. You said that there never were riots in south america. I showed you that indeed there were, and I showed you why this was the case. I reminded you how it is best to check your facts before posting. You got all whiny and stomped your feet and cried like a bitch.

So I guess I win again. I always win. Hey - bonanza is coming on nick at night. Chico and the man is on next. Why dont you crack a cervesa and learn a little about our latino brothers?
racistblackguy
1.3 / 5 (13) Oct 22, 2013
LOL TheGhostofOtto1923 proves again and again that he is severely delusional (Apophenia), as well as being the most productive sock puppet master (Dissociative Identity Disorder) within this website.

Apophenia is defined as the "unmotivated seeing of connections" accompanied by a "specific experience of an abnormal meaningfulness", but it has come to represent the human tendency to seek patterns in random information in general, such as with gambling, paranormal phenomena, and religion.

Otto sees patterns in random information, which is why he attributes such patterns to his imaginary "pussytard", the product of his fertile imagination. Otto also requires one or more scapegoats (easily found in Phys.org) for the purpose of shedding onto someone else his source of embarrassment which any normal person would avoid in the first place. Otto is not the only internet case study of the mentally disturbed. There are others in many websites, but our group finds Otto most interesting.
racistblackguy
1 / 5 (12) Oct 22, 2013
;D So let's do a synopsis:
You got all whiny and stomped your feet and cried like a bitch.

So I guess I win again. I always win. Hey - bonanza is coming on nick at night. Chico and the man is on next. Why dont you crack a cervesa and learn a little about our latino brothers?


Otto's partial answer to Italba (above) is meant to demean, degrade, denigrate, embarrass and cause discomfort, as well as provoke a negative reaction.

Otto believes that he won and that he always wins, as though the comments section is some form of jousting or boxing competition and not just an exchange of ideas and information.

Otto's "I win again" and "I always win" statement indicates that he is further regressing in maturity and has been regressing for a long time. It also shows that Otto lacks social skills and is ill-mannered, and will only pretend to having such skills only if he perceives it to be to his advantage.

My diagnosis is that Otto is a boorish lout who is mentally disturbed.

Estevan57
2.5 / 5 (21) Oct 22, 2013
Otto, are you saying that Wyoming is unstable?
http://www.mining...wyoming/

Sounds more like you're unstable.

You win like the the dog that noone wants to pet because it growls at them.
You get what you want, but noone can stand you.

Bed-wetter crazy-man.

Take your meds, we beg you.
racistblackguy
1.3 / 5 (14) Oct 23, 2013
Lithium mining in Wyoming. That certainly is good news, Estevan57. Incidentally, lithium carbonate is used as a mood-stabilizing drug. Perhaps Otto has that in one of his meds?

If I were going to prescribe a drug for Otto, I would recommend a good neuroleptic or atypical anti-psychotic to help prevent the delusions that he is undergoing. I have several patients who display such symptoms of psychosis similar to Otto's and these drugs do help.

But my colleagues and I can only diagnose over the internet what Otto appears to be similarly suffering from, on the basis of our experiences with our patients over the years. I do hope that Otto stays on his medication and gets better, even if not fully normal.

italba
5 / 5 (4) Oct 23, 2013
@TheGhostofOtto1923: That's what I mean when I said you try to accommodate reality to your opinions! I never said that in Latin America there wasn't any riots EVER, I said that there aren't serious riots NOW. At least, nothing worse of what you can find in USA or in Europe. As usual, you demonstrate nothing but your disturbed personality. And you say you won.... What? Cretin's world championship? OK, go celebrate.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (7) Oct 23, 2013
Hey steve are you saying you want to pet me? Do your employees or clients know that you look for such contact on the Internet? Careful you may lose your status as the only cnc shop in Oregon that makes lower receivers for ar15s.

But that sort of thing doesn't bother compulsive neurotics and braggarts like yourself does it?
Arf_Arf_Arf_Arf_Arf_Arf
1.4 / 5 (11) Oct 24, 2013
He could pet me otto. Do you think I could sniff his butt? Im sure he wont mind. Probably lots of that sort of thing where he works.