Biden calls for new clean energy policy for US

Aug 30, 2011 By CRISTINA SILVA , Associated Press
Vice President Joe Biden, accompanied by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nev. waves after giving a key note speech at the National Clean Energy Summit, Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2011, in Las Vegas. (AP Photo/Julie Jacobson)

(AP) -- The United States can't lead the world in the 21st century with its current energy policy, Vice President Joe Biden told alternative technology supporters Tuesday at a clean energy summit in Las Vegas.

Biden said the nation is already trailing China and Germany in green technology. It will trade its dependence on foreign oil for a dependence on foreign if its leaders don't act to help fledging green researchers and businesses, he said.

"If we shrink from deciding whether we are going to lead in the area of alternative energy, renewable energy, then we will be making the biggest mistake that this nation has made in its history," Biden said during his keynote speech at the fourth-annual National Summit.

Biden said the future will demand cities that produce all the energy they consume; battery-powered cars able to travel great distances and bacteria that converts sunlight directly into fuel, among other innovations.

"Innovation and energy will go on whether or not we join and no nation which experts to be a leader of other nations can fall behind," he said.

Biden announced during his speech that five technology companies receiving up to $6 million each from the Department of Energy have since attracted more than $100 million in private investments. The firms in North Carolina, California and Colorado are developing advanced grid scale batteries or new approaches to biofuels or waste heat recovery. Biden said the private investments demonstrate that the green industry needs both public and private contributions to succeed.

"No previous generation has had that debate about whether or not we are going to lead the world because in the past it simply hasn't been a question," he said. "This isn't science fiction. This is within our grasp."

National politicians and leaders are attending the Las Vegas energy conference to discuss and independence. U.S. Secretary of Energy Steven Chu, Nevada Gov. Brian Sandoval and California Gov. Jerry Brown are among the notable speakers.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has hosted the conference since 2008. He announced Tuesday that construction on the world's first hybrid geothermal and solar power plant is starting in northern Nevada. Enel Green Power North America's geothermal plant in Churchill County is adding a solar project.

Chu said oil prices will increase while green energy will become cheaper in the future. He also said science education is a top priority.

"It's part of American heritage to make national investments during time of distress," he said.

California leads the states in solar energy production. Brown said the stalemate between Republicans and Democrats in Congress is hurting the economy. California and Nevada have the highest unemployment rates in the nation.

"What is needed is stimulus," Brown told The Associated Press. "Stimulus is money. If the consumer doesn't provide it then the federal government has to provide it."

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freethinking
2.6 / 5 (9) Aug 30, 2011
Given Obama's track record of giving money to companies that fail, fo bankrupt, then move to China,if I had any money in these 5 companies I would pull it out now.

A serious question for the green on this board. What is wrong being last in green technology? If you save money using current tech while allowing others to develop expensive unproven new tech, you can buy the new tech once it is proven with the money saved using old tech.

Case in point, a friend of mine bought a flat screen TV 7 years ago for over $3K and had to replace it 3 years later because it failed while I bought a same sized normal TV for 500 which still works. Now I can buy proven flat screen TV for 500 that has all the bugs worked out.
p_hud
5 / 5 (4) Aug 30, 2011
It worked so well for Spain!
210
3.3 / 5 (7) Aug 30, 2011
Given Obama's track record of giving money to companies that fail, fo bankrupt, then move to China,if I had any money in these 5 companies I would pull it out now.

Yes...pull out now...and come in dead last in a vast economic race and be a loser before anyone else. That is, you WOULD pull out but, 'you don't have any money.' Further, the stimulus package that bailed out all those firms you love to hate, was done by the president before Mr. Obama...your divine and beloved mr.weapons-of-mass-destruction who also wrecked your splendid economy
210
2.6 / 5 (5) Aug 30, 2011

A serious question for the green on this board. What is wrong being last in green technology? If you save money using current tech while allowing others to develop expensive unproven new tech, you can buy the new tech once it is proven with the money saved using old tech.

If the difference between 'current' tech and the proposed 'new' tech is inconsequential, then your point is well taken, but alas, your logic is quite tortured!
The new tech represents for china, Germany, the USA or any other country, an opportunity to build the equivalent of the 20th century's mega-profittable manufacturing center that made the US a SuperPower that has outlasted all other superpowers! Affordable petro-sources especially oil, are fast drying up. Alternative means of making the things oil made MUST be discovered and mastered - costs plenty at first, but price drops fast. If you let China become your supplier of these new tech ideas, THEY become your Saudi Arabia! You WILL regret that!!
210
3.4 / 5 (5) Aug 30, 2011
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Case in point, a friend of mine bought a flat screen TV 7 years ago for over $3K and had to replace it 3 years later because it failed while I bought a same sized normal TV for 500 which still works. Now I can buy proven flat screen TV for 500 that has all the bugs worked out.

The point is NOT that you can buy something cheap..the point is WHO GETS PAID! Someday, you may...wow...meet someone and get ...anyway...your child may want a JOB. If those new tech jobs are ALL BEING MADE IN CHINA, your child cannot flip burgers fast enough to afford a mortgage before they die of old age. The guys making the money...MAKING STUFF in a modern manufacturing center/silicon valley, always call D economic tune. I know you think things are bad now & need 2 BLAME OBAMA..okay go ahead. But you can blame yourself F you let the way everything from dinner plates 2 condoms, from garden shovels 2 satellites is MADE by people who will NOT outsource back 2 the USA! Burgers anyone?
word-2-ya-muthas
Jeddy_Mctedder
2 / 5 (4) Aug 30, 2011
start by shutting down the keystone pipeline for he alberta tar sands projets. some of the most destructive surface projects.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.4 / 5 (39) Aug 30, 2011
The ideology of the Libertarian/Randite FreeTard is a prescription for continued American economic failure,.

Libertaian/Randite ideology has largely been responsible for America's decline in economic power and they are continuing to pump the same stale poison into the veins of American Politics.

That is why America has no future.
finitesolutions
2.6 / 5 (5) Aug 30, 2011
if only biden leads by example: he uses huge amounts of kerosen for flying his butt around the planet. he can start making his own fuel.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.4 / 5 (39) Aug 30, 2011
"Now I can buy proven flat screen TV for 500 that has all the bugs worked out." - FreeTard

A statement that shows nicely that you are living in a fools paradise.

TV models change on an annually basis. Every design is a new design, and as a result in the modern - monthly/yearly product cycle, reliability doesn't improve from model to model. In fact in many instances product quality decreases.

Witness all of the shoddy products from China that have pushed superior quality products out of the market.

Product quality - like American wages - are in a race to the bottom.

This we were told would never happen to the U.S. economy by Libertarian/Randite mouthpieces and their propaganda organs at CATO, Heritage, etc.

So far the last 30 years of Libertarian/Randite economics has been a disaster for America.

Expect worse.
hikenboot
3 / 5 (2) Aug 31, 2011
Lets not spend so much time waiting for future technologies.
The technology is here to supply all the US day time needs by using solar mirrors and sterling engines and similar technologies. Take 50 x 50 sq/miles of new mexico desert. Enhance the electric grid and take this step by giving incentives (enough to get the price below that of oil) so that private investors will be forced to see it as a good investment.

This is tried and true technology 50 sq miles would supply our day time needs keep using oil for night time needs its not an all or nothing goal. The rest will be taken care of in 5 to 10 years. We are approaching a technological explosion the closer we get the faster the development will happen. It will be obsolete in less than 30 years but its obsolecense will come with speedier technological development due to the investments.
freethinking
2.1 / 5 (7) Aug 31, 2011
Ignoring VDhater. 210 thanks for the discussion. The problem I see is leapfrogging. When I lived in Europe I was told how great the phone system was because they had ISDN phones while N.America still used DTMF phones. When I told them how much we paid for phone service AND that we had the same features and more than they had, all they could respond back with was that ISDN was more advanced, which was true. Now many people are going to VoIP phones which will overtake both DTMF and ISDN phones.

Just because green energy is more advanced, doesn't mean it is economical, better, or the way to go. Also any jobs created, given the track record of Obama, will be in China.
Pkunk_
3.3 / 5 (3) Aug 31, 2011

This is tried and true technology 50 sq miles would supply our day time needs keep using oil for night time needs its not an all or nothing goal. The rest will be taken care of in 5 to 10 years. We are approaching a technological explosion the closer we get the faster the development will happen. It will be obsolete in less than 30 years but its obsolecense will come with speedier technological development due to the investments.


freethinking's math is as bad as his thinking. Off from reality as usual by two orders of magnitude.
50x50 = 2500sq. miles
BTW, while theoretically 2500sq. m can supply terrawatts of electricity , in reality one cloudy day would mean most of the country going through blackouts.

Solar power satellites are the only reliable and unlimitedly scalable way to the future.
freethinking
2.2 / 5 (6) Aug 31, 2011
Pkunk, don't say my math is bad, its hikenboots math.

BTW, here is 1/2 billion dollars given to a solar company by Obama that is now gone. The tech is now going to China.
http://www.nbcbay...718.html

Vendicar_Decarian
0.2 / 5 (35) Sep 01, 2011
"BTW, here is 1/2 billion dollars given to a solar company by Obama that is now gone." - FreeTard

Sorry FreeTard, but the anti-government article you link to doesn't say anything about government loosing a half trillion dollars.

That is just wishful thinking on your part.

What it says is that 500 billion in loan guarantees were offered. It doesn't say what amount of those guarantees were accepted, what fraction were provided (if any), and how much of those loans will be outstanding once the assets of the company are liquidated.

Poor FreeTard. You don't seem capable of comprehending what you read. How TeaPublican of you.

Vendicar_Decarian
0.3 / 5 (36) Sep 01, 2011
"Just because green energy is more advanced, doesn't mean it is economical, better>" - FreeTard

That is true. It might be economically better to leave the development of new technologies to competent nations like Japan and China.
freethinking
1 / 5 (2) Sep 01, 2011
VD or to leave it to free enterprise who will come up with a way to make renewables cheaper. That way tax money does't go to Obama supporters, who then donate a portion of that money right back to Obama, who then moves his company to China so that the chinese can have the technology for pennies on the dollar.
bluehigh
2.4 / 5 (5) Sep 01, 2011
Product quality - like American wages - are in a race to the bottom.


Of course Vendi. This is the built in obsolescence that is required to drive a consumption based economic system. If a product lasts a long time then no one will buy replacements and the economy will collapse. The tiger economies grow on this basis by making low quality products that are cheap to buy and require regular replacement.

bluehigh
2.4 / 5 (5) Sep 01, 2011
Kind of like American foreign policy. Cheap, replaceable and market driven.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.2 / 5 (35) Sep 02, 2011
"who then moves his company to China so that the chinese can have the technology for pennies on the dollar." - FreeTard

And according to Libertarian/Randite ideology in a free market for goods and labor Companies should move their businesses to China where the environment is more profitable.

You do believe in freedom don't you FreeDumb?
Vendicar_Decarian
0.2 / 5 (35) Sep 02, 2011
"The tiger economies grow on this basis by making low quality products that are cheap to buy and require regular replacement." - Blue high

Planned obsolescence is one of the primary tools that Corporations use to manipulate the public. Advertising is the other mnst effective tool.

The U.S. consumer society was ripe for the picking.

Well played by China.
freethinking
1.7 / 5 (6) Sep 02, 2011
VD, if it was your money that was invested, not the peoples, and the company you put your money it went bankrupt then took its technology to China, you lose and I dont care.
It was US tax money that went to this company, who lost it, then who gave China the technology developed. China then turns around and gives money back to the democrats.
As always, you are free to donate money to china if you like. I just don't like supporting china. BTW, my company has a policy that we do not purchase if possible anything made in China or any other oppressive country. I also live by that, even if it costs me more.
VD - Do you put your money where your mouth is? Do you pay more for a products if they are made in countries that respect human rights? My guess is you are a part of the problem, buying the cheapest thing without careing the conditions of those who make it, just so you can save a penny. Then you demand we pay more taxes.

Vendicar_Decarian
0.2 / 5 (35) Sep 04, 2011
"VD - Do you put your money where your mouth is? Do you pay more for a products if they are made in countries that respect human rights?" - FreeTard

Alas Americans have little choice in the U.S. Free Market. Those who shop at Target, Walmart of any of the other retailers, are invariably producing Chinese made products.

In a Free market, consumers are forced to purchase those products that Corporations select for them.

Thus Libertarian/Randite Free Market Ideology is a complete and self evident failure.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.2 / 5 (35) Sep 04, 2011
are invariably consuming Chinese made products.
antialias_physorg
3 / 5 (2) Sep 04, 2011

A serious question for the green on this board. What is wrong being last in green technology? If you save money using current tech while allowing others to develop expensive unproven new tech, you can buy the new tech once it is proven with the money saved using old tech.

1) Buying stuff is more expensive than making it yourself (if it's patented - which it will be - then you'll be paying through your nose for every device you want to set up...basically forever)
2) You're not getting the jobs in the producing industry, because others will produce their stuff and sell it to you at a premium
3) You're not getting the businesses that export that stuff to the other 6 billion consumers in the world

Conclusion: Not being in on a market at the development stage means you'll never be in on that market at all - and on a market that has "global energy production" written all over it in large, capital letters (read: trillion dollar profits) that's a bad thing.
antialias_physorg
3 / 5 (2) Sep 04, 2011
BTW, while theoretically 2500sq. m can supply terrawatts of electricity , in reality one cloudy day would mean most of the country going through blackouts.

Have you looked at a weather map...ever? The WHOLE country is NEVER under a cloud cover. No one would suggest putting all those 50 square miles in one place. With enough surplus and a judicioud spread the variability is low enough to ensure sufficient energy all year round. With a little backup from biogas plants for those few hours when worst comes to worst that should be no big problem.

Solar power satellites are the only reliable and unlimitedly scalable way to the future.

While they would be up there 24/7 they are also not immune to solar storms or space debris (particularly the latter, since they'd be perfect targets)

And they would also be VERY expensive to set up and extremely cost intensive to continually replace. I once did the numbers on them. That scheme is nowhere near economical.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (3) Sep 04, 2011
"The administration continues to cling to its belief that green jobs are the jobs of the future, despite evidence to the contrary. A July study by The Brookings Institution found that green jobs account for 2 percent of American jobs -- and Brookings used a generous definition, which included public-transit and waste-management jobs as green. Even still, Brookings found that green jobs grew at a slower rate (3.4 percent annually) than the national economy (4.2 percent) between 2003 and 2010."
"The president, his Nobel Prize-winning energy secretary and Vice President Joe Biden (via satellite) participated in events that promoted Solyndra's brand. In addition, Solyndra got to spend a half-billion in taxpayer dollars -- and still the solar company couldn't succeed."
http://www.realcl...197.html
Vendicar_Decarian
0.3 / 5 (36) Sep 04, 2011
Libertarian/Randite RyggTard would rather America stay out of emerging markets such as the production of environmentally sustainable energy generation.

The enemies of America couldn't agree more.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (2) Sep 05, 2011
"Big Business has been busy lobbying Big Government for "reforms" that serve big companies' interests. Wal-Mart backs a health care mandate, Philip Morris shapes tobacco regulation, General Electric is setting up a joint venture to trade carbon offsets (wasn't that Enron's line of work back in the day?).

The picture is not pretty. Government's pets or, in the president's words, "savvy businessmen," use government to get policies that will give them competitive advantages and stifle smaller competitors. Pleasing their masters in government is now absorbing the psychic energy of CEOs who used to concentrate on meeting consumers' needs in order to make profits.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washington...X37F3VR4
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