Japan doubles cost estimate for Fukushima cleanup

Japan doubles cost estimate for Fukushima cleanup
In this Feb. 10, 2016 file photo, a member of the media tour group wearing a protective suit and a mask looks at the No. 3 reactor building at Tokyo Electric Power Co's (TEPCO) tsunami-crippled Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear power plant in Okuma, Fukushima Prefecture, northeastern Japan, one month before Japan marks the fifth anniversary of a devastating earthquake and tsunami that left nearly 19,000 people dead or missing, turned coastal communities into wasteland and triggered a nuclear crisis. A cost estimate to clean up Japan's wrecked Fukushima nuclear plant has doubled to nearly 22 trillion yen ($190 billion), with decommissioning costs expected to continue to rise, according to a government panel Friday, Dec. 9, 2016. (Toru Hanai/Pool Photo via AP, File)

The estimated cost of cleaning up Japan's wrecked Fukushima nuclear plant has doubled to nearly 22 trillion yen ($190 billion), with decommissioning expenses expected to continue to increase, a government panel said Friday.

The estimate raises the decommissioning part of the total costs to 8 trillion yen ($70 billion) from the current 2 trillion ($17.5 billion) because of surging labor and construction expenses. Panel officials said the numbers could still grow as experts learn more about the damage to the plant's reactors and determine fuel removal methods.

Costs for compensation, decontamination of the area and waste storage have also grown significantly.

The plant suffered multiple meltdowns following a massive March 2011 earthquake and tsunami. Officials say its decommissioning will take several decades.

Rising cost estimates mean an increased burden on consumers.

Kunio Ito, a Hitotsubashi University professor of commerce who heads the panel, said it is inevitable that the plant operator, Tokyo Electric Power Co., or TEPCO, will pass on to customers part of the costs.

He said the cost estimate for decommissioning is sketchy, but is needed to show the public how much the national project will roughly cost. The estimated increase of 6 trillion yen ($53 billion) is modeled after the example of the Three Mile Island nuclear plant cleanup in Pennsylvania following its 1979 partial meltdown.

Japan doubles cost estimate for Fukushima cleanup
In this Feb. 10, 2016 file photo, a worker, wearing a protective suit and a mask, levels ground at the tsunami-crippled Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear power plant, operated by Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO), in Okuma, Fukushima Prefecture, northeastern Japan, one month before Japan marks the fifth anniversary of a devastating earthquake and tsunami that left nearly 19,000 people dead or missing, turned coastal communities into wasteland and triggered a nuclear crisis. A cost estimate to clean up Japan's wrecked Fukushima nuclear plant has doubled to nearly 22 trillion yen ($190 billion), with decommissioning costs expected to continue to rise, according to a government panel Friday, Dec. 9, 2016. (Toru Hanai/Pool Photo via AP, File)

The TMI cleanup took five years and nearly $1 billon to remove 136 tons of melted fuel from one reactor. The Fukushima plant has twice as much melted fuel in each of three damaged reactors, meaning six times as much melted fuel must to be removed, the government-funded decommissioning and compensation organization said. It came up with the figure of $53 billion by factoring in the more extensive development of robotics and other equipment needed at Fukushima. The estimate does not include the cost of final waste management.

The panel has been discussing ways to keep TEPCO alive so it can cover the cost that it is responsible for. TEPCO has already received a government bailout, and the panel urged Fukushima cleanup-related operations to effectively stay under state control until the next review in 2019.

The 10-member panel commissioned by the Trade and Industry Ministry plans to urge TEPCO to conduct a drastic restructuring and reforms, possibly with a new business alliance with companies in and outside Japan, to stay afloat. The panel will submit its recommendations in a final report to Trade and Industry Minister Hiroshige Seko later this month.

"This is a chance for innovation and cost-cutting to push forward Fukushima's reconstruction," Seko told reporters. "We expect TEPCO to fulfill its responsibility."

TEPCO President Naomi Hirose, who was summoned to parliament Friday, pledged to live up to expectations.


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Dec 09, 2016
It should also be carried out a cleanup in Kerala(35 mSv), Ramsar(700 mSv), and Guarapari(800 mSv); in these places the natural radioactivity is much higher than Chernobyl(5 mSv) and Fukushima(20 mSv), and presents no health problem for flora and fauna and people.
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Dec 09, 2016
What a great investment! And they admit it is going up, still.

Willie, did you get a chance to buy in?

Dec 09, 2016
In a few months the cost will be $200,000,000,000 to "clean up" these disasters. But what does that mean? Will the sites ever be usable? They cannot even see the disgusting molten blobs because the intense radioactivity even kills our robots. Who is going in there to scoop it out?

Does cleaning up mean the deadly stuff is just removed to some other place which is two places now contaminated by our stupidity and hubris?

Why are we building Hinkley and Vogtle?

Dec 09, 2016
Willie!

Willie, where are you?

They need you and your big scoop in Fukushima!

Dec 09, 2016
deadly stuff
a deadly stuff that has killed no one by radiation, while wind and solar have killed more people even in a year that the incident at Fukushima occurs. And air pollution, from fossil fuels that serve as backup for renewables, is killing millions of people each year, about 13 thousand each day.
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Dec 09, 2016
What kind of integrated alternative energy systems could we build with two hundred billion dollars we will need to "clean up" these disasters?? No needs for fuel, no waste, no pollutants.

Why haven't we learned from these repeated and worsening disasters?

Big Money.

Dec 09, 2016
No needs for fuel, no waste, no pollutants.
in fairyland, unicorn fart energy is replacing fossil fuels, but in the real world "intermittent renewables and fossil fuels" are symbiotic.
https://scontent-...58D0B8C8
Big Money.
Yes, the "Big Money" is what drives the antinuclear dogma.
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Dec 09, 2016
$190,000,000,000 is a lot of money to just throw away because of a mistake. Let's make them pay it back to the stockholders.

Dec 09, 2016
I'm with Gkam on this. Fukashima will be a waste land for centuries. 3 China-syndromes (4 likely) and a massive deep ground freezing system (used to freeze ground water movement around the reactors) is the only thing really protecting people. Realistically they may need to maintain that system for 1000s of years.

Unfortunately climate change may make that task difficult as extinctions progress with global temperature rise.

Dec 09, 2016
Oh, and now we have this;

http://nypost.com...s-the-us

cesium-134 has reached the shores of Oregon. "The Oregon samples were collected by the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in January and February. Each sample measured 0.3 becquerels, a unit of radioactivity, per cubic meter of cesium-134" (dosed ocean water).

So... Fukashima is now part of our background radiation level ... that just went up.


Dec 09, 2016
It's always cheaper to prevent a catastrophe than to clean one up, and bean counters will always oppose spending the money for prevention in order to maximize profits.

The cause of the problem is putting the bean counters in charge.

Dec 10, 2016
But we have a long trail of nuclear misadventures, most of which the public are unaware. How much money and effort has been thrown at nukes? We cannot afford them. Just go look at the cost of power from any nukes here. Many are getting subsidies because even after being fully paid off, they cannot compete with wind and solar which also carry their cost of installation.

Hinkley is not finished, yet the projected cost of power is already TWICE that of other sources. And it takes a huge crew of expensive technicians to operate, and can still kill us.

Then, we will have to send the waste to Willie, because nobody else on Earth knows how to even store it safely.

Dec 10, 2016
cesium-134 has reached the shores of Oregon.
"..radioactivity of the cesium was lower than the radioactivity content of the natural potassium in the fish."
http://www.popula...s-later/
"Radiation in fish off Fukushima tests below detectable level"
http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.asahi.com%2Fa...AQHCPNxn
"alpha radiation from naturally occurring Polonium-210 is more damaging to biological tissues than gamma radiation from Cesium-137."
http://www.deepse...isaster/
"..dissolving all of the fuel of all three operating reactors, plus the entire contents of all of the spent fuel pools at Fukushima into the waters of the northern Pacific would still give a person swimming in the ocean off Hawaii, Alaska, or California about one billionth the amount of radiation dose needed to cause any harm."

Dec 10, 2016
Let's see, . . . about 130,000,000 people voted last month. If every one of them had to pay their due for Fukushima, it would be over $1000 per voter!!

Let's ask them if it is such a good idea.

Dec 10, 2016
Many are getting subsidies because even after being fully paid off, they cannot compete...
Wind and solar are cheap because they are heavily subsidized with taxpayers' hard-earned money. while subsidies for carbon-free nuclear power is next to nothing.
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http://www.eia.go...subsidy/
"Scam of the Century" = "Intermittent Renewables + Natural Gas/Fracking" ruination of natural landscapes/wildlife's habitats all subsidized with taxpayers' hard-earned money.


Dec 10, 2016
Let's see, ...
Cost of an intermittent/unreliable 2GW power plant = $15,000,000,000
Fortunately, a natural gas/fracking power plant to make it reliable (when sun is not shinning or wind is not blowing) is cheap to build.
"Gas-power plants will probably be needed for backup when wind and solar plants aren't available,"
http://www.bloomb...-billion
http://marketreal...r-build/
https://pbs.twimg...pg:large
"Greater use of natural gas may make California's emission goals more challenging to meet."

Let's ask taxpayers if it is such a good idea.

Dec 10, 2016
Willie is losing. More nukes are being closed, and those which are remaining open are not for long. We just cannot afford this nasty stuff any more.

Sorry, nuke fans, it was never a good idea to use 3,000,000 degree Neutrons to boil water! Find something more appropriate and less dangerous and costly.

And do not make us pay for your disasters - we warned you about your nasty technology..

Dec 10, 2016
More nukes are being closed...
Not yet in Switzerland. They were not fooled by the Green pseudo-environmentalists(pro-fossil fuel lobbyists). Natural landscapes, wildlife's habitats, bird and bats, are saved for while from those ecologically hypocritical means of energy production backed up by fossil fuels to compensate intermittencies.

Dec 10, 2016
3,000,000 degree Neutrons to boil water!
Notice how gskam, as a self-entitled engineer, sounds so dumb and illiterate, in a poor arrogant attitude always bordering on dishonesty. LOL

Dec 10, 2016
What is the population of Japan?

Divide it into that $190,000,000,000 and find out the real price of nuclear power.

It comes out to be $1500/per every Japanese citizen of all ages. That is to pay for the disasters others promised could not happen. Those disasters were inflicted on them by a profit-making corporation, yet the government is paying for it. That means the People.

The criminals in the corporation got off, and the corporation, having done this to us, is making money!

Dec 10, 2016
"no one is suffering from spent nuclear fuel. No one has ever been injured from used fuel from a commercial nuclear power plant, let alone killed."
Meanwhile wind/solar exposes workers to natural radionuclides:
"By far the largest collective dose to workers per unit of electricity generated was found in the solar power cycle, followed by the wind power cycle. The reason for this is that these technologies require large amounts of rare earth metals, and the mining of low-grade ore exposes workers to natural radionuclides during mining."
"a study has been done that shows that of most of the options to generate electricity, nuclear actually releases the least amount of radiation."
http://mzconsulti...m/?p=846
http://www.unscea...4696.pdf
"Want to minimize radiation from power generation – build more nuclear"

Dec 10, 2016
It's always cheaper to prevent a catastrophe than to clean one up

Sort of, with the exception that prevention is paid for by companies while cleanup is paid for by taxpayers. So you can do the math why no one invests in prevention. "Privatize profits socialists costs"...age old motto.

Also at a political level: if prevention is done and the catastrophe doesn't happen...you know, because it's prevented...then there will always be some idiot screaming about 'waste of taxpayer money'. So the next time: no political will for prevention.

Dec 10, 2016
Of course, one can always do studies: https://www.ncbi....1292501/

Dec 11, 2016
In fact, I think they have several folk studying Fukushima right now.

Dec 12, 2016
Of course, one can always do studies: https://www.ncbi....1292501/

Sure. But I doubt anyone one a politicel level is much into reading studies (other than: "my constituents want X". Whether X makes sense doesn't really factor into anything beyond that. I can't really see a politician going "I will go against your wishes because this study says so")

Dec 16, 2016
What was the cost of the power from Fukushima, with the disaster figured in? How about Chernobyl?

Hinkley is already costing twice the price as reneweables and is not even finished.

We cannot afford nuclear technologies.

Dec 16, 2016
..costing twice the price as reneweables..
"The full cost of deploying solar and wind generation capacity ... is not fully captured by the cost of solar panels and turbines. Wind and solar are intermittent sources of power and bring significant further costs associated with their integration into electrical grids.." ".. can vary from relatively modest to prohibitive." "..rely heavily on fossil fuels, they tend to do so at significantly higher cost."
"nuclear ... remain the cheapest way to deeply decarbonize modern electrical grids."
http://thebreakth...nization

Dec 16, 2016
"Breakthrough"? I corresponded with those folk, but they did not respond to my questions of cost and waste storage. They are just nuke apologists in disguise.

They did not help at Fukushima, did they? Perhaps they would like to contribute.

And Willie, too?

Dec 16, 2016
Where are they going to "put" all that intensely-radioactive rubble, assuming they can even get to it? The stuff it touches becomes nuclear waste, too, through activation products. We have to move it, because it is still exothermic, and we are running our of places to hide or store the radioactive water we used to cool the seething masses.

Fukushima gives the lie to "clean power" from nukes, and should be the end of this foolish and dangerous technology.

Dec 16, 2016
The stuff it touches becomes nuclear waste...still exothermic...foolish and dangerous technology.
Georges qualifications include 1) standing in a nuke control room once and 2) doing coloring book validation of a single system, offsite, as a jobshopper (and then quickly losing that position) and 3) well thats about it.

Who but george kamburoff takes george kamburoff seriously?

Nobody here.

Nobody out there, which is why he spends all his time here (wasting ours).

Dec 16, 2016
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Dec 16, 2016
Who but george kamburoff takes george kamburoff seriously?

Dec 16, 2016
$1,000,000,000,000 (trillion euros) for nothing, except to prove that renewable is an expensive scam subsidized with taxpayers' money.
Solar does not work at night and is on vacations during the winters.
If it is needed energy now, dial coal or natural gas/fracking.
"So far this year in Germany: coal is by far the #1 source of electricity ... Solar is at #6 (not even a bronze medal for it)."
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https://electrici...mrow.co/

Dec 16, 2016
How much damage to the Decent Folk will occur in the next nuclear disaster? I suggest now that we know how bad it can get, we make a meltdown a capital crime for the corporate officials.

Dec 16, 2016
@ glam-Skippy. How you are Cher? I am just as good as I could be, thanks for asking.

Cher, you would answer a question for me? It's an easy one so maybe you won't, but that is alright too.

When you say (and you say it a lot over and over and over),,,

the Decent Folk
what that means? It's got the big D and the big F so it must mean a proper noun thing, but what is the formal, professional, REAL engineer definitions? Why you do the big D and big F for the Decent Folk, but only use the little i and little g for the indecent goobers?

Dec 16, 2016
If you have to ask, you did not make the grade.

Dec 16, 2016
If you have to ask, you did not make the grade.


I suspect that might be a good thing. Is it some new-agey hippy thing?

Dec 16, 2016
What will it cost when Grand Gulf melts down?

It is a GE BWR, like those at Fukushima.

But even old PWRs put us at risk, such as Indian Point.

Dec 17, 2016
..damage..disaster..melts down..
"An appeal to fear (also called argumentum ad metum or argumentum in terrorem) is a fallacy in which a person attempts to create support for an idea by using deception and propaganda in attempts to increase fear and prejudice toward a competitor. The appeal to fear is common in marketing and politics."
http://en.wikiped..._to_fear
It also works as a marketing strategy to lure/deceive taxpayers to waste their hard-earned money on unicorn energy pipe dreams backed by fossil fuels to keep lights on when sun is not shinning or wind is not blowing or during prolonged droughts, dishonestly hiding the fact that cost-effective batteries/energy storage does not exist.

Dec 17, 2016
"by using deception and propaganda"?

Such as "Too cheap to meter"?

Or, "TMI II will be back online soon"?

"Meltdowns are impossible"?

"All we need is 40 years and $190,000,000,000."

Those are the reality of nuclear power, Willie.

Dec 17, 2016
Did BP put a hamper on the business in the Gulf?

Wait until Grand Gulf melts down. Grand Gulf is a GE BWR, like Fukushima reactors.

The entire area and the entire Gulf will be gone forever in Human terms.


Dec 17, 2016
..melts down..
as a self-entitled engineer, gskam sounds ever more stupid and illiterate.
"A melt down is what would THEORETICALLY happen in certain obsolete nuclear power plant designs.." Modern reactors are meltdown-proof.
http://www.cs.uml...ths.html
"The meltdown at Three Mile Island in 1979 did not kill or injure anyone"
"It should be noted that there have never been lives lost in commercial nuclear accidents; Chernobyl was a reactor type not commercially used in the West."
Meanwhile "there were 35 fatalities associated with wind turbines in the United States from 1970 through 2010."
http://www.forbes...ys-paid/
http://newsbuster...-nuclear
Who but george kamburoff takes george kamburoff seriously?

Dec 17, 2016
Who? Those who paid for my seminars.

Where are you nukers going to get $190,000,000,000??

Dec 17, 2016
big D and big F for the Decent Folk, but only use the little i and little g for the indecent goobers?
"the psychopath... is a predator. If we think about the interactions of predators with their prey in the animal kingdom, we can come to some idea of what is behind the "mask of sanity""

""The first thing I do is I size you up. I look for an angle, an edge, figure out what you need and give it to you. Then it's pay-back time, with interest. I tighten the screws.""

" They perceive themselves as superior beings in a hostile world in which others are competitors for power and resources. They feel it is the optimum thing to do to manipulate and deceive others in order to obtain what they want."

"Psychopaths view any social exchange as a "feeding opportunity," a contest or a test of wills in which there can be only one winner. Their motives are to manipulate and take, ruthlessly and without remorse. [Hare]"

-george is hungry.

Dec 17, 2016
Who? Those who paid for my seminars
I am guessing there werent too many of these. After all who would pay money to listen to gk talk about himself for an hour and a half?

You couldnt get a real job anymore because of the advent of HR and your accrued reputation and lack of reference letters so you made your little website and became a maytag consultant.
https://www.youtu...mi5C40D4

-Am I close?

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