The dark side of personality

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Social life entails countless situations in which people have to trust each other. From mundane family matters to profane issues such as trade negotiations among world leaders in a conflicted globalized world—all require the trust and the trustworthiness of the involved individuals. But how do individuals with antisocial personality traits behave in such circumstances? A new study by an international team of Behavioral Economists and Social Psychologists sheds light on the matter.

Trust, sanctions and antisocial individuals

The study shows that antisocial individuals have little in others unless they have the chance to sanction them for betraying their trust. If that chance exists, they harshly punish untrustworthy behavior. At the same time, these individuals behave very untrustworthily themselves and betray the trust of others if they do not fear being sanctioned. Overall, these individuals exhibit a specific combination of behaviours and beliefs that indicates an assumption that others share their antisocial worldview.

Extracting the antisocial personality profile

Participants in the study first completed a series of questionnaires from which the researchers extracted an antisocial personality profile that was associated with Machiavellianism, a lack of empathy, and high levels of financial and social risk taking. When interacting in situations requiring trust and trustworthiness, individuals with this profile stood out by showing the behaviours described above.

Antisocial at every stage

"Our data-driven approach worked surprisingly well in clearly identifying traits of an antisocial personality," says Jan Engelmann from the University of Amsterdam. "The antisocial personality very consistently modulated behavior at every stage of the 'trust game': 1. for decisions whether and how much to trust, 2. for decisions whether and how much to reciprocate another player's trust and to behave trustworthily and 3. for decisions whether and how much to punish untrustworthy behavior."

Assuming a shared worldview

Individuals with antisocial traits adapted strategically to the absence versus presence of sanctions, and in doing so managed to earn significantly more than others. Here, the persistent and unique response to punishments seen among antisocial individuals suggests that they assume that their interaction partners share their antisocial worldview and adapt accordingly. These findings confirm that for certain people, the ability to attribute to others (referred to as 'theory of mind' by social neuroscientists) may be influenced strongly by their own personality.


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More information: J. B. Engelmann et al. On the psychology and economics of antisocial personality, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (2019). DOI: 10.1073/pnas.1820133116
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Jun 21, 2019
The term antisocial makes no sense.

Are they talking about psychopaths?

""Likeable," "Charming," "Intelligent," "Alert," "Impressive," "Confidence-inspiring," and "A great success with the ladies": These are the sorts of descriptions repeatedly used by Cleckley in his famous case-studies of psychopaths."

-Are they talking about tribalists?

"A life of constant external enmity generates a code in which aggression, conquest and revenge, are inculcated, while peaceful occupations are reprobated. Conversely a life of settled internal amity generates a code inculcating the virtues conducing to a harmonious co- operation (Spencer, 1892)

-Neither psychopaths, nor committed tribalists in interactions with outsiders, can be considered trustworthy. But both can be very gregarious in the proper setting.

Psychopathy is the result of damage and defect. Tribalism is the result of 1000s of gens of group selection.

So I have no idea what these researchers are talking about.

Jun 21, 2019
Sources of the above refs

"THE PSYCHOPATH - The Mask of Sanity
Special Research Project of the Quantum Future School"
https://www.cassi...path.htm

and

"Human Evolution and the Origin of War: a Darwinian Heritage
by J.M.G. van der Dennen; Center for Peace and Conflict Studies, University of Groningen, the Netherlands"
http://rint.recht...rid2.htm

mqr
Jun 21, 2019
"From mundane family matters to profane issues" Mundane and profane are very closely related terms. Sacred and profane are antonyms, so it would be "from sacred family matters to profane issues"

But the description of antisocial individuals fit so well with the president of the USA and his republican cult: "antisocial individuals have little trust in others unless they have the chance to sanction them for betraying their trust. If that chance exists, they harshly punish untrustworthy behavior. At the same time, these individuals behave very untrustworthily themselves and betray the trust of others if they do not fear being sanctioned."

mqr
Jun 21, 2019
I changed my mind, sorry for what I posted. The USA president stop the attack against Iran, which is so surprising from him, or probably I do not think correctly about him. But it says that he changed his mind because he taught it was disproportionated. Wow, I have to say that president Trump showed humanism. Much love and appreciation to the guy, hope he keeps improving as a person.

Jun 21, 2019
nqr, you are assuming you understand why the bogus potus claims to have stopped a possible attack on Iran.

if a raving maniac was waving a gun at you?

would you assume that threat was ended because he was boasting that he hadn't yet pulled the trigger?

whike he continues to point
the weapon at you.
fully loaded.
With his finger in a cocked trigger.

while issuing new threats & extortionate demands.

you have a weird idea
of "Humanism"...

you should go back to your first comment.
& reconsider that years of bungling lunacy by the trunpsterfire & his crime family

are not excused by a very brief flash of very temporary sanity.

you're original comment expressed a more accurate realization of the dangerous error of bad judgement a senile putin has made with appointing trump as gauleiter for the USA.

you wouldn't think any modern russian despot could forget the catastrophe of stalin's unrequited bromance with hitler?

Jun 21, 2019
otto, the uncomfortable truth that you keep dancing around to avoid?

that your tribe of savages
& mine
historically & continuing into the modern age
have mercilessly committed mass rape against members of all the other tribes of this World.

globally raping women & children & livestock.
because it is our peculiar institution of entitlement.

a cultural pattern of innate psychopathic behavior from millions of years of ancestral monkey instincts programmed into us.

resi;ting in a cast, global genetic pool shared by all the conquered tribes with their conquerors.

Jun 21, 2019
But the description of antisocial individuals fit so well with the president of the USA and his republican cult
Your 2 posts are bizarre. I'm assuming you have some personal connection to iran?

At any rate your opinions in both appear to be generated by your tribal affinities and not objective logic. Logic would dictate that unwarranted aggression from adversaries needs to be responded to in kind to discourage it from happening again.

Trump is a master of negotiation, learned from many decades completing megaconstruction projects in the toughest business environment in the world, NYC. He certainly appreciates brinksmanship as a useful tool.

Jun 21, 2019
Sounds like he got cold feet to me. Iran is definitely not Iraq.

Jun 21, 2019
Sounds like he got cold feet to me. Iran is definitely not Iraq.
"Between 1980 and the summer of 1990 Saddam boosted the number of troops in the Iraqi military from 180,000 to 900,000, creating the fourth-largest army in the world. With mobilization, Iraq could raise this to 2 million men under arms--fully 75% of all Iraqi men between ages 18 and 34"

-You want me to start insulting you again?

Jun 21, 2019
oh otto, you do enjoy a masochist pleasure in failing to understand the history you claim to know.

modern technology has made large standing armies obsolete targets of opportunity.
expensively useless for their support as a waste of national resources.

Even if any military was physically capable of transporting millions plus of infantry to a battlefield?

Great, a lounge-chair strategist just re-invented trench warfare.
As for your special forces /commando/raiders?
By decapitating - assassinating th enemy command structure?
you just ensured your enemy's eventual victory.

experience would help you realize leaving those fancy-uniformed bureaucrats in command?
do bungle-up their nation's effective defense efforts?

yes, tes, i understand your hate against the Iranians.
They shot down one of your iholy AI drones.
i guess, the robot you were counting on to be your caretaker in your feeble old-age?
the bastards!
harming one of those eventual mechanical-tribe masters you worship.

Jun 21, 2019
"From mundane family matters to profane issues such as trade negotiations...."

No.

You clearly have no idea what "profane" means. Look it up and try again. Bear in mind that you're trying for a contrast between the everyday and the extraordinary—not what is sacred and what is not.

PS: hire a decent copy editor who can save you from this kind of blatant error.

Jun 21, 2019
The Deep State has wanted war (for their clients Saudi Arabia and Israel) for over 20 years. The two nations which hate Iran the most: Saudi Arabia and Israel want war. Iran is Shiite, Saudi's Sunni. Iran supports Shiite Hezbola and radical Pals.

I'm actually amazed Trump has currently thwarted the Deep State BS.

The Middle East is only 3.5% of the World's GDP. So it takes rich clients to keep us there.

Jun 22, 2019
OCC, not a bad summary analysis of the last few years.

but some of these present troubles have ancient roots.
the war between Sunni & Shiite have been ongoing for fourteen hundred years.

the Syrian Alawaites are technically an offshoot sect from the Shiites but frankly, they all hate each other.
that's why constantly shifting fighting in Syria.
they see becoming a Russian puppet state as their only chance for survival.
A Sunni or Shiite victory in Mesopotamia will result in the extermination of the Alawaites.

for centuries the Russians have coveted expanding South for unfettered access to the global oceans.
With Greece as an ally & Turkey neutralized, the Russians finally dominate the Dardanelles.
in addition the Russians have bambooxled Isreal into serving as their Mid-Eastern dupe.
now all that's left is to takeover corrupting the Egyptian oligarchy from American control & they will have the Suez Canal.

- cont'd -

Jun 22, 2019
- cont'd -

now the Saudis & Russians have the opportunity to entrap us gullible Americans into doing their dirty work for them.
by tricking us into attacking Iran.

once we have committed enough damage, slaughtered enough people, committed a sufficient number of atrocities as "collateral" damage?

in horror at what we accomplished. in sorrow at how many American's are casualties.
We will retreat back to the Western Hemisphere in shock at our behavior.

Allowing the Russians to surge south through the smoking ruins of what was once Iran.
all the way to the Gulf.

& for the Saudis to finish destroying Yemen & Oman. Freely butchering the populations of Iraq & Syria. Finally. openly establishing the Wahhabi Caliphate.

I would not be surprised if fascist Israel receives Jordan & the Sinai, maybe Lebanon?

for their cooperation at liquidating the Palestinians & Jordanians.
ending that centuries old feud between the Saudi & Hussein families.

Jun 22, 2019
rrwillsj
2 hours ago
Comment posted by a person you have ignored ...
Hey there willis
You do know that the only reason I would engage with you is to make fun of you, right? I have little respect for people who think poetry gives otherwise empty comments value.

I mean, it's a clown strategy no? Dead giveaway.

BTW quit plagiarizing wiki okay? Its tacky.

Jun 22, 2019
There are many scenarios. I for one think Russia and China are gonna team up again, like they did for the first time ever in history during the Vietnam war, and each send a billion plus dollars worth of weapons, food, and supplies to Iran per month. It was millions of dollars per month from each of them during the Vietnam war. Russia even sent NVA officers to academy school in Russia.

Jun 22, 2019
There are many scenarios. I for one think Russia and China are gonna team up again, like they did for the first time ever in history during the Vietnam war, and each send a billion plus dollars worth of weapons, food, and supplies to Iran per month. It was millions of dollars per month from each of them during the Vietnam war. Russia even sent NVA officers to academy school in Russia.
More evidence that the destruction of that obsolete culture, and so many more like it, are Team Efforts spanning many gens. The success of that operation - Vietnam is a stable, prosperous nation today with a sustainable population growth rate.

THAT is victory by any measure.

Keep in mind that the weapons they were given were purposefully inferior. Soviets gave the same junk to Arab nations which ensured Israeli victories in 3 wars.

Yet more evidence of Planning and Preparation toward a Predetermined outcome.

Jun 22, 2019
What obsolete culture? Are you talking about the former vassal to France Vietnam, or are you talking about the U.S. . In both cases I fail to see a victory, not even a pyrrhic one.

Jun 22, 2019
Also, Russia and China teaming up was unprecedented. It was the first time ever in history such an event occurred. Even after the war they had a little scuffle at their border to get back into regular Russia/China relations. A war between Iran and the U.S., you can safely bet they are gonna get friendly with each other again. And what also worries me about this potential confrontation with Iran is the chance of awakening another sleeping tiger, India.

Jun 22, 2019
All above 'nuanced analysis' is moot. Once the 'world war wagon' gets under way this time around, it will lead inevitably to Nuclear conflict because of the high stakes at play this time: World domination by the victor; with 'no more mister nice guy' from any 'side' who wants to NOT LOSE 'world war III' and this time pay the ultimate price of total annihilation so that the victor is no longer held back by 'humanity considerations' the kind of which led to the ongoing international religious/political mess following and ever since WW II. If the political parties concerned do not come together in sanity and self-preservation (including all the most powerful global 'religious' and 'criminal mafia' parties), then 'the next one' will be 'nasty, total and final'. Good luck to us all.

Jun 22, 2019
thanks otto, for accusing me of plagiarizing from wiki.

you must be pissing your bloomers that they are confirming my suppositions!

oh, & i promise that i have a complete dis-respect for you & all the other coven members of the looneytick cults.

Jun 22, 2019
what obsolete culture?
"The basic nature of Vietnamese society changed little during the nearly 1,000 years between independence from China in the 10th century and the French conquest in the 19th century. The king was the ultimate source of political authority, the final dispenser of justice, law, and supreme commander-in-chief of the armed forces, as well as overseer of religious rituals. Administration was carried out by mandarins who were trained exactly like their Chinese counterparts (i.e. by rigorous study of Confucian texts)"

-IOW the religion-dominated one that would have prevented the over 27,550,659 ABORTIONS since the 70s, 275,000/yr, 17.57% of all pregnancies in 2012. Plus the contraception which prevented millions more, plus the emancipation of women from confinement to marriage and babymaking until it killed them. Or being sold into actual sexual slavery because there were simply TOO MANY of everyone.
Stats courtesy johnstonsarchive-

Jun 22, 2019
well RC, i'm not sure which version of WWIII you are intent upon?
i would presume you mean an all-out exchange of thermonuclear weaponry?
the last rime read up om the subject?
that the major arsenals had enough weaponry to kill all Humanity?
six times over?

cause; "if it worth doing?
it is worth overdoing.
because excess is never enough!"

the racist agenda being conditioned into the Public mind?
is to launch an unprovoked, all-out attack on either China or Iran or both.
on the excuse that they deserve to be annihilated
for calmly saying "No."
to our infantile tirades &
extortionate demands.

read otto's tantrums
& you will understand that "international relations by childish whim" mind-less-set.
also vividly displayed by trumpenella's lunatic tweets!


Jun 22, 2019
In both cases I fail to see a victory
-because you dont want to look. Try to imagine what it would be like if the growth rate had persisted. War, revolution, collapse, starvation, ecological ruin etc.

Communism finally broke it's back and allowed the country and it's people to join the modern world. But the people wouldn't have accepted communist martial law without the need to expel the french and later the US occupiers fighting the vietcong. Who were revolting because of the privations caused by chronic overpopulation, which they blamed on their dynastic rulers, who became more and more oppressive in response with the help of their French occupiers. Etcetcetc all over the world.

In retrospect it's obvious that all the powers worked together to systematically rid the country and the region of the culture which was the true source of all the problems.

They divided Korea and set one half against the other to achieve the same end... the religion is nowhere to be found.


Jun 23, 2019
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Jun 23, 2019
...But the people wouldn't have accepted communist martial law without the need to expel the french and later the US occupiers…

...In retrospect it's obvious that all the powers worked together to systematically rid the country and the region of the culture which was the true source of all the problems...


How do you come to these conclusions Ghost? Most of your assertions are extremely reaching, and frankly it's hard to discern what exact conspiracy theory you're trying to color in and expose here.

So let me get this straight, are you saying that the French, Americans, and Politburo pre-planned this entire conflict? That they inserted Ho Chi Minh as an agent to raise up the north after Japan's defeat in 1945, accept Emperor Bao's abdication powers, get re-attacked by the French, fight off the French, and then ignite the second Indochina wars, etc. etc..

You're looking too much into things. What happened after WWII was a scramble for power. There was no conspiracy, only greed

Jun 23, 2019
That's good ol' ghost for you
but then again, replying to you will only provoke more conspiracy theories. I expect next we'll be reading your WWII theories, about what 'really' happened, back room dealings and such.

Jun 24, 2019
then ignite the second Indochina wars, etc. etc.. blahblah..You're looking too much into things
-And who exactly is getting tangled in the details? The official historical records are politically motivated. They're constantly picked over by academies and politicians not unlike christianity was during the early councils, to weed out critical inconsistencies. And they are constantly readjusted and redefined to suit current politics and accommodate unavoidable new evidence.

You cannot trust the minutia. You cannot trust official interpretations. You've got to examine history with the assumption that the record keepers and interpreters have agendas. You've got to approach history forensically, starting with the largest, most undeniable FACTS, and working backwards.

FACT: overpopulation is, and has always been, civilizations greatest threat.
FACT: the fact that civilization thrives around the world, means something is up.
Cont>

Jun 24, 2019
Zeus told us exactly what the problem was.

""There was a time when the countless tribes of men, though wide-dispersed, oppressed the surface of the deep-bosomed earth, and Zeus saw it and had pity and in his wise heart resolved to relieve the all-nurturing earth of men by causing the great struggle of the Ilian war, that the load of death might empty the world. And so the heroes were slain in Troy, and the plan of Zeus came to pass" (Cypria Fragments)."

-But since we know that providence and the whims of fickle gods do not exist, we can look elsewhere for our salvation. This is not a minor point: for centuries most everyone was satisfied with the conclusion 'gods will' and moved on.

In investigating a war we need to consider events decades prior to, and decades after, actual hostilities. We need to consider the ultimate conditions created by that conflict, and ask ourselves what would they be like had that war not been fought.
Cont>

Jun 24, 2019
And we need to compare that war with previous wars, looking for patterns, common themes, mysterious unexplainable events both before and after, and importantly, evidence of manipulation and coordination among supposed enemies.

War is obviously the greatest threat to civilization. But those who could engineer wars to produce a preconceived result that was constructive instead of destructive, would stand to reap unimaginable benefits.

If war is absolutely inevitable and unavoidable, then to let it erupt spontaneously and proceed without limit or control would be the greatest of sins.

Overpopulation has always been absolutely inevitable and unavoidable. Overpopulation always results in war, revolution, and/or collapse. And the people would always blame their leaders no matter how benevolent those leaders might be.

So it's safe to assume that at some point in human history leaders would get together and begin to figure out how to accommodate, manage, and benefit from, war.

Jun 24, 2019

At any rate your opinions in both appear to be generated by your tribal affinities and not objective logic. Logic would dictate that unwarranted aggression from adversaries needs to be responded to in kind to discourage it from happening again.

Trump is a master of negotiation, learned from many decades completing megaconstruction projects in the toughest business environment in the world, NYC. He certainly appreciates brinksmanship as a useful tool.


@TheGhostofOtto1923
Why would anyone even read the shite you write after reading this text above ?

Cause you don't seem to have a clue about what you are talking about...

The amount of idiocy you can read from the interwebz geniuses is ineffable !
I am in absolute awe !


Jun 24, 2019
Why would anyone even read the shite you write after reading this text above ?
You mean why would any brainless dupe read the shiite I write? Good question. Move on.

An early example of machination to achieve a desired end...

'Historians' tell us that Aristotle schooled not only Alexander but artabazus, chief advisor to king Darius, as well as the Greek mercenary generals who would be fighting for the persians. We can assume that this is how the teenage Alexander learned how to command and fight. But it does not explain how only 50k macedonians could defeat 1 or 2M persians not once but twice, at issus and gaugamela.

If you study only the most obvious facts it becomes clear that they were setups meant to decimate Persian armies, collapse the empire and enable the conquest of the known world.

Players on both sides were working together to achieve a mutually beneficial end, to end the obsolete Persian culture and incorporate the remains into something better.
Cont>

Jun 24, 2019
The US civil war... the industrial revolution had made slave-based economies obsolete. In the US, slaves comprised 1/3 the entire southern population. The infrastructure itself was hopelessly obsolete; railroads, shipping yards, food storage and distribution etc, would all need to be replaced. In addition the US was intended to be a world-class power to participate in the major world-changing events of the coming century, but was in need of a world-class military. What to do?

General officers north and south all trained at west point. They all knew each other, in many cases were intermarried. And again in studying that war it becomes clear that it was planned and orchestrated from start to finish with the intent of destroying the obsolete southern culture, replacing it with one suitable for industrialization, and establishing a first rate military in the only way possible.

And also to 'empty the world' of white workers north and south in order to accommodate ex-slaves.

Etc.

Jun 24, 2019
Any war - EVERY war - since Alexander and before can be interpreted in this manner, with ample evidence of preengineering to achieve an obviously preconceived result. And the results in the end are always conditions that favor increased order and stability and allow for the emergence of more potentially dangerous and world-altering technology.

Planning and Preparation - it is what separates humans apart from the other animals. We should expect to find its greatest expression at the highest levels of society. And since we are constantly told that only chaos, greed, and insanity reign there, we should assume that the very opposite is the case.
reading your WWII theories, about what 'really' happened
And what happened after the wars? The establishment of a very stable tripartite superpower dominance, and the emergence of the most dangerous and world-altering technologies ever conceived. And you think that was mere happenstance??

The world wars are an open book of machination.

Jun 24, 2019
It is fear that causes war ghost. Over population is an aggravating factor, but ultimately it is fear that starts wars. Fear comes from having differing speech and appearance features. For instance, let's say you are an Iranian and I am a Anglican. And we meet at a cross road. I do not know how to say hello, nor you to me either. Our difficulties in communication create an apprehensive block between us so much so that we cannot dissolve said fear. Fear then becomes the elephant in the room.

It does not matter that we both have similar lives. That we both sit down and eat dinners with our families, ask to pass the salt etc. We are divided by fear in the moment.

Con't>

Jun 24, 2019
America is a country where we are meant to dissolve our fears, not set up barricades to accommodate them. Remember "home of the brave"[/musical note]. We are all blessed to have minds capable of tearing down fear barricades, medicines that allow us to control our breeding rates or to help us with our anger and PTSD.

War has never been a remedy. It is an insanity. It is the inability to cope and find a work around with fear.

If we cannot find a way to wave off this elephant in the room then we will be crushed by it. And if the nukes go off, the only audience we would have had for the last some 200 thousand years on earth would have been the birds.

Jun 24, 2019
War has never been a remedy. It is an insanity. It is the inability to cope and find a work around with fear
There has never been a 'workaround' to overpopulation until after ww2. And overpopulation ALWAYS meant war or revolution.

Countries can now ABORT, and prevent through contraception, the majority of pregnancies BECAUSE of the wars. We can suspect that THAT is a major reason for their scope and severity.

You may want to consider why it is you have no concept of inevitability. We've been poisoned by religion to believe that nothing is inevitable if our faith is strong enough.

Faith is the rejection of evidence. It is a powerful and insidious tool for blinding us to the truth.

Does that make it any clearer?

Why do you have faith that there is nothing we can't fix? NO people will sit passively by and watch their children starve. Overpopulation makes this INEVITABLE. If we postpone starvation then these obsolete cultures will only grow another 20% per gen. Etc.

Jun 24, 2019
You can preach and pray all you want. It doesn't change what IS. It only means you aren't going to understand any of it.
if nukes go off
Nukes were INEVITABLE. Imagine a 19th century world with 20th century technology. There WOULD have been nuclear war without doubt.

The world wars created a world where this couldn't happen. The cold war was a farce. It's clear that the superpowers have been working together to subdue the world, not endanger it.
allow us to control our breeding rates
What do you mean 'allow us'? Do you think a caliph or the Pope would have 'allowed' that to happen?

That stranglehold had to be broken before pop control could be instituted. By force. And the struggle us not over.

Jun 24, 2019
I am non-religious ghost and I have a acute sense of inevitability. It is built into my chosen life's profession. There is no need for you to project such attributes on to me as I gave you no reason to. Maybe you were speaking of 'people' in general perhaps? I don't know, but none the less there is a clear dividing line between those who machinate war and those whose interests lie in creating beneficial technology to society. Were the fist chemists handling radium with their bare hands machinating a doomsday weapon? No, they were learning what uses to society such strange new substances hide. The Curies studied radioactive elements and found out that radium gave off a faint glow. Watches were then made with radium painted dials with the thought that they could help people read the time in the dark.

Con't>

Jun 24, 2019
I just wish you would not look through such macabre hued lens when discussing history. Humans have developed many fields of science. Military science is just one of many fields. There is no need to attribute so much of human existence to a lessening occurrence anymore. Historians say the world is getting better, statistically. Fear mongering that a new world war is on the cusp of happening is not going to win you any listeners. Could it happen? Yes. But most readers are going to tune you out. It will be a thing of the past one day, hopefully.

Jun 24, 2019
am non-religious ghost and I have a acute sense of inevitability
Im saying we're all infected with these concepts whether we're religious or not. You cant accept the implications of overpopulation because of it.
macabre hued lens
Better than your rose-colored glasses. History is an unending series of wars, revolts, collapses, implosions. In each gen there are people like you who think they are finally sane enough, rational enough, moral enough, to finally rid themselves of war.

And then along comes an enemy that they absolutely HAVE to fight. I say thats no mistake. Thats Design.

We HAVE finally reached the point where we can limit and reduce growth. This has been achieved throughout the western world. But cultures still exist that would destroy the world in order to save themselves and no amount of negotiating will change their minds.

"Boko Haram means "Western" or "non-Islamic" education is a sin." They are already well-educated to the fact that you embody evil.

Jun 24, 2019
I am not advocating anything. I am telling you how things work. A homicide detective does not advocate for murder but he certainly does not deny that it exists. His job is to try to explain it, not ignore or excuse it.

You dont want to understand the world the way it is because it is too painful or objectionable for you, then so be it. I find comfort in understanding HOW it works and WHY things happen the way they do.

I know things are probably going to work out in the end because there are People who are anticipating trouble and preparing for it, not just responding to it as you believe. Theyve been doing it for a very long time and have gotten very good at it. And as the root problems are always the same, its a lot simpler than you might think.

"Make no little plans; they have no magic to stir men's blood..." Daniel Hudson Burnham, architect, high ranking freemason

Jun 24, 2019
Lets ask Solomon, the greatest king that ever was...

"9 I became greater by far than anyone in Jerusalem before me. In all this my wisdom stayed with me.

BUT-

"16...Like the fool, the wise too must die!
18 I hated all the things I had toiled for under the sun, because I must leave them to the one who comes after me. 19 And who knows whether that person will be wise or foolish? Yet they will have control over all the fruit of my toil into which I have poured my effort and skill under the sun. This too is meaningless." ecc2

-But then the clouds parted and the heavenly chorus gave him his answer...

"A Time for Everything
3 There is a [PROPER] Time for everything,
and a season for every activity under the heavens"

-a long list ending with

"8 a time to love and a time to hate,
a time for war and a time for peace." ecc3

-We Anticipate. We Plan. We Prepare. We Persist.

Jun 24, 2019
sane enough, rational enough, moral enough, to finally rid themselves of war.


Exactly, and what I'm trying to convey to you is that it is working. The world is pacifying itself. The amount of currently active wars at any given moment is dwindling. We're not beating each over the head with clubs. We're picking up our smart phones and playing keypad warrior. The world is changing and the optimists are winning the argument. I don't have to prove anything. The facts speak for themselves. It doesn't matter that I have been to a lot places around the world. That I have seen many things that are objectionable, cultures that do not align with mine, bizarre landscapes, dust storms that will choke your airways and make you sick for an entire month. That I know about certain 'businesses' and a geological waterway known as the Straights of Hormuz. That have felt it's sweltering temperatures. It's sauna like conditions, or it ravenous sun that feels like a weight on your shoulders. Con't>

Jun 24, 2019
What matters is that PEOPLE are becoming better people. The hawks that sit in their leather lazyboys with their bourbon and yell epithets at other races/cultures they see on news are becoming fewer. They'll never leave their bubbles, but their rhetoric, and their schemes are becoming less impactful. A safer future is around the horizon. You can believe me or not, it's your decision.

Jun 24, 2019
Exactly, and what I'm trying to convey to you is that it is working
Its working in the west because women have been emancipated and the majority of pregnancies are prevented or ABORTED. Elsewhere there are dozens of armed conflicts taking place right now, including Mexico, which in that country has claimed over 10k lives in the last year alone.
https://en.m.wiki...onflicts

-And there are millions of refugees fleeing these war-ravaged regions. The thing to understand is that the conflicts are caused by religion and the forced overgrowth that it causes. People begin to starve. They fight to secure resources or they flee in search of them elsewhere. Because either way there are TOO MANY of them.
I don't have to prove anything
Of course not. Your opinions aren't based on FACTS. They're just pleasant wishes and fantasies.
Cont>

Jun 24, 2019
PEOPLE are becoming better
This is how deluded you are.

"An estimated 24.9 million victims are trapped in modern-day slavery. Of these, 16 million (64%) were exploited for labor, 4.8 million (19%) were sexually exploited, and 4.1 million (17%) were exploited in state-imposed forced labor."

"Human trafficking earns profits of roughly $150 billion a year for traffickers... While only 19% of victims are trafficked for sex, sexual exploitation earns 66% of the global profits"

-Overpopulation brings out the worst in people.

Rwandan genocide 1994
"The United Nations estimates about 800,000 Tutsis and moderate Hutus lost their lives in the genocide in just 100 days."

-and the culture that caused the problem still exists.

"With a fertility rate of 5.4 births per woman, and a population growth rate of 2.9 percent, Rwanda's population of 10.4 million is on path to double in size in just 24 years..."

-meaning that the horror will likely repeat itself.

Jun 24, 2019
Heres an interesting chart for you.
"600 years of war and peace, in one amazing chart"
(Chart itself by max roser, MIT)
https://www.vox.c...00-years

The overall density of conflicts - all those little pink dots - increased dramatically during the napoleon wars and the beginning of the industrial revolution. And they continued to increase during the 20th century.

You might think that the last few gens have been relatively quiet, but this is due like I said to active pop control measures coupled with the great load of death and deprivation. My previous link shows you that conflicts have increased in third world religionist societies since. And those societies continue to grow, and export themselves into western societies, while those in the west continue to shrink.

Jun 24, 2019
I applaud you ghost. You are a grand polemicist against humankind. Info Wars should hire you yesterday. But the fact still stands, the world of today is by in large better than 100 or 1000 years ago. It appears with these fresh facts you've pasted in, you've entrenched yourself deeper in your bubble chamber than ever before. It's sad that you cannot rip whatever monkey that's on your back off, or borg chip out of your cerebral cortex, but it is fun to have to these discussions with you. You're like chicken little running around saying the sky is falling. At least you're getting your exercise for the day right?

Jun 24, 2019
AGAIN, by the same measure you would conclude that homicide detectives preferred murderers.
But the fact still stands, the world of today is by in large better than 100 or 1000 years ago
NO it's not. Its filthy with pollution. But in the west where it IS better, it's because of concerted planning and preparation to engineer conflicts to FIX things.

These obsolete cultures are being systematically destroyed, one by one.
It's sad that you cannot rip whatever monkey that's on your back off
Yeah I'm in love with facts. You're in love with fantasy. You haven't presented any facts at all have you? Too lazy, too unconcerned, religion has taught you that faith alone is salvation.
running around saying the sky is falling
And your mindset is the reason why 800k Rwandans died in just 100 days.

Do you give a shit? Not really.

Jun 25, 2019
Hey Ghost, superman went that way. ⏩

Do African leaders send troops to help stem violence in Chicago or Detroit?

Whose onus is it to deal with central African problems?

Do you think about anything other then sticking your nose in business of others?

Do you know better than the people that live there, how to deal with their problems?

...sure you do...we're talking about supernatural ghost here

Jun 25, 2019
"Attack is the best defense." Von klauswitz?

-The thing about inevitability is, you know it's going to happen unless you do something about it. All those city mounds across the middle east were full of people who either didn't accept the inevitable, or they did and couldn't do anything about it. Time after time, layer after layer after layer.

The People in Charge of the world understand it, accept it, and have actively dealt with it for centuries.

The global civilization we see today is the result. It WILL persist, and we will survive, because of Their efforts.

Jun 25, 2019
Do you know better than the people that live there, how to deal with their problems?
OF COURSE. YOU think that if they were left alone to continue living under their virulent, caustic ancient culture, they would remain as they are indefinitely.

I know that eventually a despot would come along like khadaffi or Joseph kony who would unite the region, form an empire, get his hands on a nuke, drive it into YOUR city, and create yet another layer on your city mound.

Another collapse. Another failure. The world can tolerate no more failures. It's too small, too fragile.
superman went thataway
I prefer dr Manhattan
https://youtu.be/OswxDfzEXaU

'You sound bitter...'

Jun 25, 2019
"global civilization"!?!

and here all along with the war talk, I thought you were a staunch anti-globalist. If you want the world to achieve some unilateral oligarchy on paper, with constitutions and all the dressing, by all means you can advocate it. That's your right. But you'll find though, at the moment, the UN already has nice setup for these types of things. Currently, diplomacy is at its best stage at any time in history.

There's a pulpit for architecting great things on a global stage. We just have to have the courage to get out there and do it.


Jun 25, 2019
Also I had you pegged for more of a rorshack type of guy, meh to each his own

Jun 25, 2019
*type of guy or gal

Jun 25, 2019
the UN already has nice setup for these types of things. Currently, diplomacy is at its best stage at any time in history
"in the Covenant of the League of Nations, the moral forces of the world are mobilised…

"And what do they unite for? They enter into a solemn promise to one another that they will never use their power against one another for aggression; that they never will impair the territorial integrity of a neighbour; that they never will interfere with the political independence of a neighbour; that they will abide by the principle that great populations are entitled to determine their own destiny and that they will not interfere with that destiny; and that no matter what differences arise amongst them they will never resort to war without first having done one or other of two things – either submitted the matter of controversy to arbitration…. or submitted it to the consideration of the council of the League of Nations…"

-Youre blind.

Jun 25, 2019
74 years and counting says I'm not. You can keep waving your fear pom poms, it won't change a thing. No one's shook by the things you write and no one cares. Go write a shakespear play why don't you.

Jun 25, 2019
74 years of what? Name 1 war the UN prevented.

In the meantime...

"Rwanda Genocide
The UN... knew about the impending genocide, but its peacekeepers failed to stop the majority Hutus going on a murderous rampage and killing almost a million..."

"the Congo
UN peacekeepers were accused of paying women and young girls they were supposed to be protecting for sex, and sometimes raping them"

"Haiti
Genome testing showed that the most likely source of the world's worst recent outbreak of cholera... was a Nepali peacekeeping force... more 700,000 were infected and 8,000 died"

"Iraq oil for food
large sums of money were channelled into private pockets through the programme – with some even being used to buy influence at the UN itself... worst financial scandal in UN history."

"Srebrenica
The massacre of more than 8,000 Bosnian Muslim men at the hands of Serb forces in Srebrenica in 1995... town had been declared a "safe zone" and given its own Dutch protection force"

etc.

Jun 25, 2019
What's your metric here? Wars with uniformed combatants, civil wars, what?

You can go fetch those numbers yourself and make comparisons to pre-UN time. I'd like to see what you come up with.

You're the one here trying to justify a world without the UN.

Jun 25, 2019
Here from '65 on. The dots last 20 years

https://www.youtu...OsDWYJmQ

also from your own posted link earlier:

https://www.vox.c...00-years

Jun 25, 2019
74 years and counting says I'm not
Right. So list every one of the wars in the last 75 tears. These are the wars the UN failed to stop.

Now list all the instances where a war was about to start and the UN stepped in and prevented it from happening.

Im assuming you already looked and found there arent any.

Jun 26, 2019
Where is your report showing a comparison of pre and former UN war instances.

You are the one being critical of the UN here. Where's your data set at.

Do you have better alternative? What's your pitch?

Where's your UN helmet at?

Jun 26, 2019
"The UN actually does prevent war, according to study of General Assembly votes"

https://phys.org/...tes.html

Jun 26, 2019
"The UN actually does prevent war, according to study of General Assembly votes"

https://phys.org/...tes.html
Yeah I saw that. It's not available for review as to whether there are specific examples or not.

Criticism however abounds.

"UN peacekeepers too often fail to meet their most basic objectives. On many deployments, they end up watching helplessly while war rages. On others, they organize elections and declare victory, but without having fixed the root causes that brought them there—making it all too likely that fighting will flare again before long.

"the events in Somalia, where the UN would send approximately 28,000 troops to monitor a cease-fire in the country's long-running civil war and provide humanitarian relief. In June 1993, two dozen Pakistani peacekeepers were killed by militants there, and a few months later, in the "Black Hawk down" episode, so were 18 U.S. soldiers supporting the UN mission... massacres in Rwanda... Srebrenica...
Cont>

Jun 26, 2019
"Salvadorans nicknamed the UN mission in their country "Vacaciones Unidas" (United Vacations), Cypriots spoke of "beach keepers," and Bosnians mocked the "Smurfs."

"Jeremy Weinstein discovered that 75 percent of the civil wars in which the UN intervened resumed within ten years of stopping. Michael Doyle and Nicholas Sambanis studied 138 peace processes and found that roughly half of those that had peacekeepers failed to decrease the violence or further democracy. Roland Paris analyzed 11 UN missions in depth and found that only two were able to build a sustainable peace."

"Finally, even the success stories tend to fall apart on closer inspection. The mission in Cyprus... island is divided... looks almost as distant as it did 50 years ago... Burundi is back to dictatorship and war [only a decade later][because its culture-driven pop growth is among the highest on the continent and the UN is impotent in this respect.]

Religionist cultures cannot be coddled. Only destroyed.

Jun 26, 2019
Where is your report showing a comparison of pre and former UN war instances
You probably aware that there were many other things going on that affected relations among countries besides whatever the UN was supposed to be doing, right?
Where's your data set at
Everything I've posted in this thread is data indicating what causes war and what has been done to fix it in a meaningful way.
Do you have better alternative? What's your pitch?
Look, you're not reading what I post, you're not doing your own research or you would've seen the one Steve posted. You're just sitting back like a lazyass spouting catchphrases.

The UN is obviously a deception meant to give the impression that the world can be pacified by simply talking about it. Meanwhile the real work of systematically destroying these caustic cultures has been proceeding unabated, with cooperation of leaders on all sides, operating on far deeper and more effective levels.
Cont>

Jun 26, 2019
"...calling on the blue helmets has become merely a convenient substitute for a serious grappling with what it would take to bring peace. The same story thus repeats itself, whether in Bosnia, Congo, East Timor, Kosovo, Rwanda, Somalia, or South Sudan. After the outbreak of war, donor countries pledge millions of dollars in aid and ask the UN for help. Eventually, the warring parties call for cease-fires, sign agreements, and hold elections. But soon, sometimes just days later, violence flares up again. Often, it has never actually ended; in many cases, it lasts for years."

-because the only way to establish enduring stability in those regions is to destroy the cultures that are causing the problems. And the wars those UN smurfs are supposed to be ending are being staged to accomplish this very thing by the People who are actually in charge of this world.

UN - traffic cops and goodwill store workers.

Jun 26, 2019
The term antisocial makes no sense.

...blah...blah...blah...

-Neither psychopaths, nor committed tribalists in interactions with outsiders, can be considered trustworthy. But both can be very gregarious in the proper setting.

Psychopathy is the result of damage and defect. Tribalism is the result of 1000s of gens of group selection.

So I have no idea what these researchers are talking about.

Alas, the "bright" side of the misanthropic mind. For, only in thee, their be perfection.

Jun 26, 2019
...The UN is obviously a deception meant to give the impression that the world can be pacified by simply talking about it...


It is not simply talk Ghost. The UN is a multilingual forum where documents of legality are exchanged on a global stage. All member countries can express their intents, their doubts, and their grievances to one another in a group setting. And all actions are recorded in writing and given viewership to the global public. You can go to the UN's website, right now in this moment, and see every written instrument that has ever been passed through that forum.

And in light of this, here you are ghost with your usual amped up prattling of shadow politics, passing quotes from unknown sources, disregarding everyone else's opinions and evidence, some of which you even posted yourself. But it doesn't matter, because you still won't budge an inch. You are quite the entertainer ghost. I'm sure the UN peacekeepers you denigrate would crack a smile too.

Jun 26, 2019
Drop the quotes into Google. Here you go
https://www.google.com/

Jun 26, 2019
It is not simply talk Ghost. The UN is a multilingual forum where documents of legality are exchanged on a global stage. All member countries can express their intents, their doubts, and their grievances to one another in a group setting. And all actions are recorded in writing and given viewership to the global public. You can go to the UN's website, right now in this moment, and see every written instrument that has ever been passed through that forum
How wonderful.

Jun 26, 2019
They even have a souvenir shop did you know it?

But you have to go to Amazon to get a copy of Blackhawk Down.

Jun 26, 2019
Hey maybe they have a copy of Watership Down, a much better description of the human condition. Tribalism, overpopulation. Rabbits are also very prolific no? I mean look at Australia.

There was that one warren in the book where the bunnies were all cultured and artsy and refined and civilized and such, but this was all to help them forget that that particular warren was where the farmer got his rabbit meat.

I think it was called the UN warren.

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