Neuroticism could be 'sleeper effect' in Trump and Brexit campaigns

March 8, 2018, Society for Personality and Social Psychology
Map of 3 million personality tests showing regional neuroticism (fear) and voting behavior in the United States. Credit: Social Psychological and Personality Science

Regions where voters have more neurotic personality traits were more likely to vote for Donald Trump in the United States or for the Brexit campaign in the United Kingdom, revealing a new trend that could help explain the rise of fearmongering populist political campaigns across the world, according to new research published in the journal Social Psychological and Personality Science.

Researchers analyzed personality traits from online surveys of more than 3 million people in the United States and more than 417,000 people in the United Kingdom. Election data was compiled from public sources.

"Our study reveals how neuroticism or psychological hardship is shaping the global political landscape," said lead study author Martin Obschonka, PhD, a psychologist and associate professor at Queensland University of Technology in Australia. "One could also call this 'irrational' voting behavior because the surprising success of Trump and Brexit weren't predicted by models that relied on a rational understanding of voters."

Neuroticism hasn't previously been associated with voting behavior, suggesting that it could have been a "sleeper effect" with the potential to have a profound impact on the success of populist political campaigns across the globe, Obschonka said.

The Trump and Brexit campaigns both promoted themes of fear and lost pride, which are related to neurotic personality traits that include persistent feelings of fear, anxiety, depression, envy or jealousy. Regions in the United States with greater support for Trump were very similar to areas in the United Kingdom that supported Brexit, including a higher percentage of white people and lower levels of college education, earnings and liberal attitudes. Former industrial areas that are now in economic decline also were more likely to support Trump or Brexit.

Maps of UK voting patterns and personality test results in 2016. Credit: Social Psychological and Personality Science

The Brexit vote in June 2016 by the United Kingdom to leave the European Union succeeded by a very narrow margin, with 51.9 percent of voters in favor. Trump's presidential victory in 2016 also shocked many people, with him winning 30 states and the electoral vote tally even though 2.8 million more Americans voted for Hilary Clinton.

Trump's crucial gains above the performance of 2012 Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney occurred largely in areas with high levels of neurotic traits, including battleground states such as Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Ohio, which shifted from Democratic in 2012 to Republican in 2016. Trump's populist also was especially successful in former industrial centers that are now in , including the Rust Belt region across the Midwest and Great Lakes.

The researchers examined regions, not individuals, and were studying larger trends relating to psychological traits, not specific diagnoses of mental illness for any voters. The study also excluded Northern Ireland from the Brexit analysis because of the lack of available data.

The fears and worries of voters with neurotic personality traits should be taken seriously, and facts should be provided during political campaigns to allay those fears, Obschonka said. Education also could be a buffer against fearmongering populist political campaigns because regions with higher rates of college graduates had much lower levels of neuroticism, he said.

Explore further: The revolt of the Rust Belt may explain Trump's election

More information: Martin Obschonka et al, Fear, Populism, and the Geopolitical Landscape, Social Psychological and Personality Science (2018). dx.doi.org/10.1177/1948550618755874

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rrwillsj
2.9 / 5 (14) Mar 08, 2018
Really doesn't matter how much evidence there is to prove the incompetency of the altright fairytails and the right-wing-taliban evangelists.

They simply lack the maturity and are without the manhood to admit their errors of poor judgement and bigotry.

https://www.damni...e-of-it/

https://phys.org/...nds.html

https://phys.org/...als.html

philstacy9
2.9 / 5 (15) Mar 08, 2018
Like fake news this is fake political activist "science". Progressive ideology provides a drug like social reward. Progressive speech and actions thus become a drug delivery system like vaping. A progressive speaking is like a drug addict injecting or inhaling so the goal is feeling high and there is no rationality or connection with reality. Look at Venezuela if this seems unbelievable.
mrburns
2.3 / 5 (15) Mar 08, 2018
More arbitrary nonsense pretending to be science. There was no determination of clinical neuroticism whatsoever, or any other psychological characteristics of the voters. There was only the authors extremely questionable.subjective opinion of the motivation of the campaigns in question. This is utter crap junk science. It will never be cited by any serious paper. It was written entirely for political propaganda purposes and aimed at the ignorant and obtuse. Those who believe anyone in a white lab coat is a scientist. Why is such nonsense published on what purports to be a site about science?
howhot3
3.7 / 5 (10) Mar 08, 2018
Very interesting statistical correlation! It certainly does seem that the fearful tend to vote the conservative rightwing line. It does fit that with the rights propaganda efforts to exaggerate and forment fear as a campaign tool. Similarly with the Russian hackers and election meddling via social networks which also utilized fear tactics. Sounds like the science is pretty sound as the psychological stresses the right suffers from their fear does make them neurotic and flakey as a fruit cake in march.

We just need to round these neurotic fascists nuts up, take their guns so they don't hurt anyone, and send them off to a hillary run FEMA re-education camp for a few years while the liberals take over and plant flowers everywhere.
tblakely1357
1.8 / 5 (10) Mar 08, 2018
With the left, death camps are the go to solution sooner or later.
howhot3
4.6 / 5 (9) Mar 08, 2018
With the left, death camps are the go to solution sooner or later.

Wow, such dark places your at dude. I gather you have a gun and want to defend yourself against the flower planting, science loving leftists. Nothing better to do than to pop a few flower children? aye?
Da Schneib
4.1 / 5 (9) Mar 08, 2018
This has long been conjectured; it's good to see some solid evidence for it emerging.

Like a steely blade in a silken sheath we don't see what they're made of
They shout about love but when push comes to shove they look for things they're afraid of

Simple as that.

Of course they're dark, @howhot. They're afraid of just about everything. Sometimes they snap and get a gun and go start shooting random people they've never met.
ddaye
1 / 5 (4) Mar 08, 2018
It's remarkable how speedily human beings are evolving, that in the course of just 1 or 2 generations regions of nations can evolve different personality types, and by doing so, reshape national politics. I hadn't thought that even fruit flies evolved that quickly but you learn something new every day. --This, or perhaps both the politics and the neuroticism are both effects of social changes. In the US at least we have a sizeable industry focused on blaming the most institution-dominated societies in history on the personal failings of masses of the people as individuals.
Thorium Boy
1.9 / 5 (9) Mar 08, 2018
The more left-wing globalists try to denigrate those who don't agree with them, the more centrists they drive into the right-wing camp.
howhot3
4.3 / 5 (7) Mar 08, 2018
People; there will be a lot of russian influencers working this site. Read the following comments with skepticism! Seriously! Arrrrhhggg! some weird toxin... globalist.... uggh..
TrollBane
5 / 5 (5) Mar 08, 2018
mrburns, I'm saying Boo-urns to your nonsense.
mackita
1 / 5 (3) Mar 09, 2018
The conservatives are often borderline autists, which fear of changes. But overly ignorant liberals have they own psychic problems and some of them are borderline schizophrenic living in their own world instead. We could roughly say, that conservatives are too rooted in the past, whereas liberals are too accommodated in the future - which may or may not come. This is just my simplification of the nature of conservative-liberal conflict for laymen, as in reality these traits manifest only in very subtle way at individual level for normal citizens. But these traits can be attenuated by emergent cumulative manner once both groups will organize in larger social units like the political parties, clans and sects (or government).
mackita
1 / 5 (2) Mar 09, 2018
It's also quite apparent, that in harsh times the conservative attitude gains more credit than this progressive one oriented toward future. This is just the stuff which the contemporary liberals cannot understand, that gold era or rich "Murica" already passed and in the times of economical restrictions the political ones are underway. Such a restrictions naturally bring a social demand for stricter authoritative regime, which Mr. Trump undoubtedly represents. The rise of totalitarian regimes is therefore connected with global economical situation and peak in exploitation of natural reserves.

Unfortunately from my perspective, both parties lack the really constructive approach for solving their conflict: both liberals, both conservatives tend to ignore breakthrough findings as a single man. What we need today isn't more liberal or conservative approach, but more realistic balanced one, oriented to (solving of) actual present situation, not abstract values of the future or the past.
Anonym712877
not rated yet Mar 09, 2018
very democratic scientist...!!!
antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (11) Mar 09, 2018
People; there will be a lot of russian influencers working this site.


Hardly. the range of commenters on this site is very polarized between those who are into science (whom any kind of 'influencer' doesn't stand a chance against, because ... well ... science.)
...and the sub 70 IQ cranks, who are so much under their own influence that there is no chance of having any impact on their delusion-bubble.

You'll find the russian trolls on facebook, Huffpo, and similar sites where those without who have neither
a) enough knowledge to make them immune
nor
b) a devout belief/agenda
hang out.
rrwillsj
4.4 / 5 (7) Mar 09, 2018
Fear & Hate, Hate & Fear. That is all the altright fairytails have to offer anyone. It's like watching a dog biting it's own tail. Mildly amusing, hardly edifying and quickly tedious.

As for those quislings whose delicate nerves I jangle? To quote your Russian masters, "Черт, если они не могут шутить!"
snoosebaum
1 / 5 (2) Mar 09, 2018
Here is an actual scientist explaining where rrrrwilllsj comes from ;

https://www.youtu...BYROA7Hk
gkam
3.7 / 5 (9) Mar 09, 2018
"The more left-wing globalists try to denigrate those who don't agree with them, the more centrists they drive into the right-wing camp."

Bleat on: Reality is much different.
MR166
1.5 / 5 (8) Mar 09, 2018
"With the left, death camps are the go to solution sooner or later."

Worth 10 "stars" TB!!!!

They already have admitted that they consider the Right to be mentally deficient, perhaps even mental institution material. In power, who knows what the left will do to those who refuse to be reprogrammed. The pure unadulterated hatred exhibited by the left dwarfs any displeasure exhibited by the Right.
tblakely1357
1.9 / 5 (9) Mar 09, 2018
"Wow, such dark places your at dude."

Any student of history knows the misery and death that the left has inflicted on humanity. No reason to think it's any different in the future since they still 'other' their political opponents.

This 'study' in one of many 'studies' to explore and explain the 'pathologies' of the right. And sooner or later the left, if it gains sufficient power, will implement another 'final solution'.... for the good of humanity of course.
MR166
1.4 / 5 (9) Mar 09, 2018
One just has to look at what they are doing to Trump!! It is unprecedented and a lesser man would have folded in the first 6 months. The Cloward–Piven crowd is very close to reaching critical mass and destroying the US system. I hope that God continues to give this brave man the health and strength to continue his brave crusade for the US.

Articles like this just proves the extreme biases held by the so-called researchers.
gkam
3 / 5 (10) Mar 09, 2018
"One just has to look at what they are doing to Trump!!"

Did they grab his pu$$y?
Lie?
Cheat?
Commit serial adultery?
gkam
3.5 / 5 (11) Mar 09, 2018
""Any student of history knows the misery and death that the left has inflicted on humanity."

The Crusades, the inquisitions, the hangings and torture were all done by conservatives, including the WW II Death Camps.

What do you tell yourself about Hitler?
MR166
1.9 / 5 (9) Mar 09, 2018
Gkam are you trying to say that Clinton should never have been elected? How about Kennedy?

You are biased to the point of being a big waste of time.
MR166
1.9 / 5 (9) Mar 09, 2018
"What do you tell yourself about Hitler?"

He was a socialist you moron.

Also, the crusades were a long time ago when the church was part of the governments. Thus not relevant any more.
MR166
1.7 / 5 (6) Mar 09, 2018
If anyone cares to know the end game involved with all of the mass migrations into western countries just google the Cloward–Piven Strategy. The ultimate goal is to overload the social systems of the western nations with immigrant poor and collapse the governments. A new socialist order can then be formed from the ashes.
gkam
3.4 / 5 (10) Mar 09, 2018
Nope, he was a Fascist. He used the "socialist" label from another group.

I guess it fooled you, too.
gkam
3 / 5 (8) Mar 09, 2018
We have been telling you these are the facts.

We can't blame you for trying to deny it.
snoosebaum
4 / 5 (4) Mar 09, 2018
Fascist.'' aren't those the people that wear black masks and beat people up for stating facts ?
MR166
1.7 / 5 (6) Mar 09, 2018
https://www.loude...liberal/

ah Gkam I know but you are a kinder gentler socialist.
gkam
3.3 / 5 (7) Mar 09, 2018
Fascists are right-wingers in power.
gkam
3 / 5 (6) Mar 09, 2018
And no Holocaust, either, . . right?
snoosebaum
1 / 5 (2) Mar 09, 2018
oh, i get it but who are the people that wear black masks and beat people up for stating facts ?

right wingers have always been in power , thats how you get dead people in Iraq and vietnam

Is Trump in power ? why isn't Hillary in jail ?
MR166
1.4 / 5 (9) Mar 09, 2018
Snoose 8 years ago I would not have this opinion but all the US ME wars are planned and approved by the deep state that controls both parties. It is trying its best to start one with Russia via Syria but the Russians are showing a lot of constraint for the time being. This whole Russian probe thing serves 2 purposes. 1, get rid of Trump and 2, prime the US citizens for war with Russia.

Let's hope Trump can drain the swamp in time. Otherwise kiss your sons goodby.
MR166
1.4 / 5 (9) Mar 09, 2018
BTW Hillary is the queen of the deep state and most likely Soros is the king. That is why she is not in jail.
snoosebaum
2.3 / 5 (6) Mar 09, 2018
MR , yes , and there is a suggestion that Trump has to clear certain issues like NK before he can move on the Clinton gang , as they still have power and can do serious damage .
Da Schneib
4.6 / 5 (11) Mar 09, 2018
So, @MR, what exactly are they supposed to be putting Hilary Clinton in jail for?

Being a Democrat?

Running for President while female?
MR166
1.5 / 5 (8) Mar 09, 2018
Da if you put your head up that deep can you really see your tonsils?
Da Schneib
4.6 / 5 (10) Mar 09, 2018
So you have no idea why she should be put in jail.

Typical.
gkam
3 / 5 (8) Mar 09, 2018
Fear makes conservatives, . . we all know that.
MR166
1.6 / 5 (7) Mar 09, 2018
"Fear makes conservatives, . . we all know that."

Yea and guibiliy makes starving socialists.
snoosebaum
1 / 5 (3) Mar 09, 2018
everything they accuse Mr Trump of , very simple . The Big Lie , next level
mackita
1 / 5 (3) Mar 09, 2018
Fear makes conservatives, . . we all know that.


Fear of global warming or Russia do you mean? The liberals also have their own collective fears.
sascoflame
1.8 / 5 (10) Mar 09, 2018
What crap. Hillary Clinton is a war criminal, she overthrew democracies, staged coups against them and bombed them because of her blacks are being sold into slavery. The Democrats vastly increased poverty and blacks lost more money than any other group. in the United States.The Democrats prevented the arrested of school shooters. Police brutality and race riots increased. Hillary thinks of the American people like Nazis think about the Jews. The author of the article is beyond reason and beyond hope.
snoosebaum
3.4 / 5 (5) Mar 09, 2018
and you can add the murder of Seth Rich
Da Schneib
4 / 5 (8) Mar 09, 2018
Gee, I thought conservatoids were all Law'N'Order and stuff. Looks like when the focus of their cult of personality is under the microscope they forget all that. Guess they never meant it after all. Just like Iran Contra.
cantdrive85
1.6 / 5 (7) Mar 09, 2018
what exactly are they supposed to be putting Hilary Clinton in jail for?

Corruption
https://www.inves...scandal/
Whitewater to Bengazi...
Career criminal, typical for Democrats.
Da Schneib
4.6 / 5 (9) Mar 09, 2018
Benghazi investigation resulted in no charges.

On Earth.

Typical conservatoid BS. Revenge for Nixon and Iran Contra.
Da Schneib
4.4 / 5 (7) Mar 09, 2018
As far as the Drumpster Fire, I'm watching with enormous amusement. The latest is he's trying his crooked real estate tactics on people who've gotten past idiots like him a million times in order to get where they are. See Panama.

Why is it that conservatoids always get caught by really bad actors? Bonzo Goes to Washington comes to mind, never mind Reagan was an Alzheimer's victim.

I really hope Drumpster Fire doesn't get assassinated. I want to see him go to prison for what he's done.
howhot3
4.4 / 5 (7) Mar 09, 2018
@MR166 says;
BTW Hillary is the queen of the deep state and most likely Soros is the king. That is why she is not in jail.
Yeah. Why isn't HR in jail? Trump promised that. Didn't he? Oh perhaps we need to examine Hillary's emails. Forgive me for not knowing, by what exactly did HR write in those emails? I've yet to see a single email of any relevance to anything. Surely you can dig that up for us @MR155. Obviously Fox news has them archived on their website? Just where the hell are these freaking emails and why should I even care? (now that it's been like a YEAR LATER from even being relevant ...)

howhot3
4.4 / 5 (7) Mar 09, 2018
I really hope Drumpster Fire doesn't get assassinated. I want to see him go to prison for what he's done.
I feel the same. I really don't understand our fearful conservatives contributors concerns except that the current sitting president is a agent of Russia, a complete sleaze-ball, and has the mental capacity of a freaking mushroom! He's going to be impeached. The question is whether we will leave the office or ignore the impeachment. Lock him up!
Jive99
4.3 / 5 (6) Mar 10, 2018
Well educated tend to skew liberal, and have a greater sense of control. People with a lower sense of control over their lives and environment seem to skew republican. I think it's been disproven that Trump voters are exclusively lower-education, but I wonder about the control issue, and think I have read that fear of rapidly changing society and world are correlated with vulnerability to fear-mongering from Fox, Breitbart, etc., as well as Trumpism. I suspect all that right-wing crap is just a way to con people for money and power, at its base. I think the Republican Party can be characterized as a criminal organization. It certainly does not represent my interests, and I am fairly conservative. I think I am more cynical than fearful, and intend to vote straight Democrat; anything else (not voting, 3rd party) is functionally equivalent to voting Republican, and more of the same.
BubbaNicholson
1.8 / 5 (5) Mar 10, 2018
These two false elections resulted from massive Kremlin agent attacks in league with the "all powerful" vote-cheating NRA using foreign monies. Only the arrest, fair trial, sentencing, and execution of Trump, his appointed minions, and those legislators who benefited from NRA/RNC "foreign consultants" for their margins of victory only then will we diminish the criminality of the Republican Party as practiced by the Bushes. Poppy Bush used the Plumbers to frame, maim, & murder Democratic opponents. Poppy's step-son, George W., used "the family jewels" (Enflurane) to drug rape hundreds of teenage girls, turning many into perverts.
That being said, America's "left" is certainly twisted up with sexual deviants, even more so than the right wing.
What we really need is some means to force honesty from elected officials. Only then will we progress.
michbaskett
3.3 / 5 (7) Mar 10, 2018
"What do you tell yourself about Hitler?"

He was a socialist you moron.

Also, the crusades were a long time ago when the church was part of the governments. Thus not relevant any more.


Uhm, no. Hitler was not a socialist. he was a facist. and there is a great difference in that Facism is a system in which those at the top basically dictate life to those underneath them. Socialism is a system in which everyone is supposed to get what they need without having someone at the top tell them how to think, etc.

True, the Crusades were a long time ago, but the Catholic church wasn't part of the governmental structures of various potilitcal entities, they were separate but essentially equally powerful. However the Crusades are still relevant due to the behaviour or the humans involved. There are still lessons to be learned from what they and the Muslims did.

Hurling insults gives no benefit to the matter at hand.
MR166
2.6 / 5 (5) Mar 10, 2018
"Socialism is a system in which everyone is supposed to get what they need without having someone at the top tell them how to think, etc. "

No that is utopianism!

Venezuela is the most current interpretation of socialism.

And BTW it always works out like Venezuela in the end. Your outcome never exists.
Zzzzzzzz
3.2 / 5 (5) Mar 10, 2018
What crap. Hillary Clinton is a war criminal, she overthrew democracies, staged coups against them and bombed them because of her blacks are being sold into slavery. The Democrats vastly increased poverty and blacks lost more money than any other group. in the United States.The Democrats prevented the arrested of school shooters. Police brutality and race riots increased. Hillary thinks of the American people like Nazis think about the Jews. The author of the article is beyond reason and beyond hope.


100% fecal regurgitation. You do know that filthy habit makes your breath smell like a dead moose?
Zzzzzzzz
3 / 5 (2) Mar 10, 2018
Well educated tend to skew liberal, and have a greater sense of control. People with a lower sense of control over their lives and environment seem to skew republican. I think it's been disproven that Trump voters are exclusively lower-education, but I wonder about the control issue, and think I have read that fear of rapidly changing society and world are correlated with vulnerability to fear-mongering from Fox, Breitbart, etc., as well as Trumpism. I suspect all that right-wing crap is just a way to con people for money and power, at its base.

Don't forget the power of delusion. The inability to find that sense of control in their lives can result from dependence on fragile delusions and the paralyzing fear of the destruction of said delusion. This is a person not with low intelligence, but a person not well developed mentally who might not have the benefit of a decent education to help them make sense of the reality they struggle so hard with.... such are easily exploited.
Zzzzzzzz
3 / 5 (4) Mar 10, 2018
This article simply demonstrates a factual basis for that which is patently obvious to even the most casual observer. With the added benefit of pointing out some great candidates for the ignore list.....
gkam
1.7 / 5 (6) Mar 10, 2018
Foolin' the goobers is where it is at!!
Zzzzzzzz
2 / 5 (4) Mar 10, 2018
As far as the Drumpster Fire, I'm watching with enormous amusement. The latest is he's trying his crooked real estate tactics on people who've gotten past idiots like him a million times in order to get where they are. See Panama.

Why is it that conservatoids always get caught by really bad actors? Bonzo Goes to Washington comes to mind, never mind Reagan was an Alzheimer's victim.

I really hope Drumpster Fire doesn't get assassinated. I want to see him go to prison for what he's done.

I want to see him hang. Of course, he won't be alone. If justice was truly served, and all the traitors hung, there would not be many Repukes left.....
gkam
1 / 5 (5) Mar 10, 2018
We bleeding-heart liberals stopped the hangings.

Put him in Gotti's concrete cell.
bertibus
2.1 / 5 (7) Mar 10, 2018
@Zzzzzz and gkam
"Don't forget the power of delusion etc."
You are right of course - one has to be deluded to think that socialism or excessive state intervention in all walks of life is the answer to every ill that exists.
Venezuela which has the world's largest (or second largest depending on the source) recoverable oil deposits in the world is now experiencing a total societal breakdown. No healthcare at all, starvation and anarchy.
And all precipitated by ten or more years of uncontested socialist rule.
Stalin..in the name of Communism killed or starved to death anywhere between twenty and thirty million people
Mao, in the name of Communism killed forty-five million people in the space of four years 1958-1962
But people who VOTE for someone you don't like are the real danger. Sure they are
koitsu
5 / 5 (3) Mar 10, 2018
Like fake news this is fake political activist "science". Progressive ideology provides a drug like social reward. Progressive speech and actions thus become a drug delivery system like vaping. A progressive speaking is like a drug addict injecting or inhaling so the goal is feeling high and there is no rationality or connection with reality. Look at Venezuela if this seems unbelievable.


Interesting how you seem to think that if it's not like you, it must be those damn Progressives. Did you know there are also middle of the road people like me who aren't happy about massive number of these "black and white, left and right" morons out there?
snoosebaum
2.3 / 5 (3) Mar 10, 2018
The 'left' is really far more conservative as they have an abiding faith in the status quo , MSM , AGW , and career politicians . they want to believe every lie they are told.by authority. Guess that makes them more neurotic and they actually have ' safe spaces ''
MR166
2 / 5 (4) Mar 10, 2018
Koitsu if you are middle of the road then you are pretty much unwelcomed by today's left. Anyone to the right of themselves they consider to be Alt-Right.
gkam
2 / 5 (4) Mar 10, 2018
Hey, bertibus, why is Trump so intertwined with the former Commies?

Do you favor Putin "helping" Trump?

Whose side are you on? The US or Russia?
MR166
2.3 / 5 (4) Mar 10, 2018
"Hey, bertibus, why is Trump so intertwined with the former Commies?

Do you favor Putin "helping" Trump?

Whose side are you on? The US or Russia?"

Gkam it is hard for me to believe that you are so ill informed that you actually believe all of the stuff that you write. I think that you care little about real facts and just enjoy trying to annoy people.
rrwillsj
3.4 / 5 (5) Mar 10, 2018
Well MR666, you are so fun to annoy. A few facts and your gibberish falls apart in infantile tantrums.

How soon can you start on the White House staff? Plenty of openings as the rats desert the sinking Ship of State. Perhaps you can advise the Bogus POTUS on how he can have his own Bastille Day parade? Celebrating the mass guillotining of the aristo's.

MR166
2 / 5 (4) Mar 10, 2018
RRW it must have been tough for you to be so close to seeing the total deconstruction of the US under President Hillary and then to have Trump ruin the plan. Obama did most of the heavy lifting and all Hillary had to do is defeat a nobody. Crap, just when you thought you won those damn ignorant deplorables decided that the preservation of the US and its constitution was more important than a few democratic welfare shekels .
antialias_physorg
3.8 / 5 (4) Mar 10, 2018
I really don't understand our fearful conservatives contributors concerns except that the current sitting president is a agent of Russia

Well, that's the real problem why they have no other recourse but to defend Trump to their utmost: He's a republican. When (not if) he turns out to be spy and guilty of high treason (basically the highest teason technically possible) there's no way the Republican party can survive this. Every future candidate of theirs will be a Russian spy by definition - or at the very least be strongly supected to be one.
Unless the Republicans openly fall to their knees and hand over the country to Putin with a treaty of annexation and a pledge of fealty to Russia it's 'game over' for their cushy game.
gkam
1 / 5 (3) Mar 10, 2018
They are all Trumpublicans now.
MR166
2 / 5 (4) Mar 10, 2018
The left/deep state has been priming the US population for a war with Russia ever since our involvement in Syria. They are willing to risk nuclear war if that is what it takes to remove Trump from office. The fact that the press and the democrats have been very positive, with no bad comments, about Trumps continuation of the Syrian war has sent chills down my spine. I just thank God that the Russians are not falling for the bait and are being restrained for the moment.
Da Schneib
4.2 / 5 (5) Mar 10, 2018
The rightwingnuts get all agitated about being labeled neurotic and then start propounding neurotic conspiracy theories. Real nutjob woo too; confusing socialism with fascism, libruls wanting a nuclear war, the FBI being infiltrated by socialists, the "deep state," etc., etc.

Absolutely classic thread.
snoosebaum
3 / 5 (4) Mar 10, 2018
its good to see the half dozen or so remaining 'warmers' are also so naive . MR, bit of a waste trying to reason with them , they seem to be missing a few screws ] unless you like the arguement clinic just for 'fun'.
snoosebaum
1 / 5 (1) Mar 10, 2018
Soldier, the root of your question is, who are the real rulers , to whom do you pledge your efforts ? The Globalists or the nationalists ?
MR166
1 / 5 (1) Mar 10, 2018
It is always good to have a fresh viewpoint Hat22. Please list the top 3 positions that each side must modify in order to meet at common ground.
snoosebaum
1 / 5 (2) Mar 10, 2018
Hat , i understood your point , , you want agreement so you can work for the common cause, to just get on with things , There is disagreement about what those things are . Do you want to help the USA to be less so as to benefit other countires [ lets all be equal' ] or do you want each country to work for its own interests ?
rrwillsj
4.2 / 5 (6) Mar 11, 2018
When you altright fairytail say Constitution? You are talking about a fairytale chiseled in stone and never changing.

Instead of the living, dynamic document codifying our predecessors hopes and dreams.

Now the dumpster is on fire? You coybantics disregard all those parts of the Constitution you now want to deny. Such as the 1st Amdnt, the first half of the 2nd Amdnt and the Emoluments Clause.

You want to whine about the wars in the Middle East? If you Middle Graders had been awake in History Class? You would have learned this is the latest chapter of a fourteen hundred year-old war between the Sunni Arabs & Turks versus the Shiite Iranians & Turks.

It was the Cheney-Bushleaguers, blackmailed by the Saudis. Who have dragged us into this morass as the Saudi's Sepoy conscripts.

As for the fraudulently claimed term 'Nationalist' vs 'Globalist'? It is you copperhead quislings who are obedient to Fuhrer Putin and the Global Fascist Axis.
gkam
1 / 5 (4) Mar 11, 2018
It is just a diversion off the tropic of neurotic conservatives.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (2) Mar 12, 2018
"revealing a new trend that could help explain the rise of fearmongering populist political campaigns across the world -implying that there's nothing to be concerned about?

Liberal mindset:
https://www.chish...915.html
When (not if) he turns out to be spy and guilty of high treason
Wow talk about wingnut conspiracy theories... hey here's a real one;

"Project Rahab uses SIGINT — intelligence based on interception of signals, conversations and electronic communications — to gather information on foreign business competition that can benefit German companies. BND officers have penetrated computer networks and databases in countries including Russia, the United Kingdom, Japan, France, Italy, and the United States."

Gestapo erwache
gkam
1 / 5 (3) Mar 12, 2018
Neuroticism, indeed!
antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (4) Mar 12, 2018
When you altright fairytail say Constitution? You are talking about a fairytale chiseled in stone and never changing.

Instead of the living, dynamic document codifying our predecessors hopes and dreams.

Now the dumpster is on fire? You coybantics disregard all those parts of the Constitution you now want to deny. Such as the 1st Amdnt, the first half of the 2nd Amdnt and the Emoluments Clause.

The word 'amendment' should give a fair clue that the Constitution of the US isn't a completely static document, right? (And, of course, this goes doubly for any such amendment)
snoosebaum
2 / 5 (4) Mar 12, 2018
'' It is you copperhead quislings who are obedient to Fuhrer Putin and the Global Fascist Axis.''

yes, all those \russian military bases all over the world ,,,, and rrrrrrrrwills you seem SJW /neomarxist yourself , thers the real conspiracy
rrwillsj
3.7 / 5 (3) Mar 12, 2018
Ottogenerian, "Nations have no friends. They only have interests."

My own father was career US Army since '47. Starting in the fifties, as he was fluent in the French language and dialects. He worked as a Signals & Intelligence Analyst covering the French Desk.

"After Charles de Gaul had the gall, to boot the US Army out of Gaul."

gkam
1 / 5 (4) Mar 12, 2018
" He worked as a Signals & Intelligence Analyst covering the French Desk."

Yeah, but anonymous snipers like otto have no experience whatever, so all they can do is try to abuse others.

Those of us who have experience live in his silly little head, day and night.
rrwillsj
4 / 5 (5) Mar 12, 2018
- continued -

After the kerfuffle, my father had several postings to West Germany and the US bases. Where he continued his intelligence collecting on France and their global interests.

To paraphrase several perspicacious World leaders. "I can handle my enemies. It is my Allies who cause me trouble!"

The latest example... When Trump was raving about his residence being bugged and himself followed by mysterious agents? It turns out the bugs and spies were Russian.

Understandable. Pimp Putin keeping a sharp lookout on his stable of whores.

MR166
3 / 5 (2) Mar 12, 2018
"The word 'amendment' should give a fair clue that the Constitution of the US isn't a completely static document, right? (And, of course, this goes doubly for any such amendment)"

Great point Anti!!!! For the constitution to be amended it takes 3/4 of the states to approve it.

The Justices of the Supreme Court do NOT have this power and that is where the conflict occurs. Activist benches and not part of the constitution as written.
Osiris1
not rated yet Mar 12, 2018
No, #Mitchbasket, Hitler was not a Fascist as they wanted governemnt by corporation and guild classes an was not a total dictatorship. In fact, near war's end, Benito da Duce was voted out of office and later had to be 'rescued' by Nazi SS Col Skorzeny in a celebrated 'operation' as a kind of Nutzy Rambo. Otto Skorzeny died poor. Hitler WAS not socialist nor true idealogue. He was an opportunist that grabbed chances to seize power, using corporate money from the Krupps an others in Germany by skillful use of lies, propaganda, and victim gullibility, and demagogery of years of practice since the fall of Germany in WWI.. Ultimately evil, Adolf Hitler double crossed them all in the end in his murderous rain of terror. His mentor Minister of Propaganda Rudolph Goebbels was tried at Nuremberg and hung. He had a PhD in Communications and used his degree well. It was often said that if Rudy could have found a real job, Hitler's regime would have never existed.
gkam
1 / 5 (2) Mar 12, 2018
" 'rescued' by Nazi SS Col Skorzeny"

Nope. There was just a history presentation on this with the original pics and movies. Scorzney just tagged along with the group who diod it, then stuffed himself into the plane with Mussolini and it overloaded it, almost causing a crash on takeoff.

After the event, Scorzeny made himself the pilot, which was a lie. He was a huckster, like Trump.
gkam
1 / 5 (3) Mar 12, 2018
"Propaganda Rudolph Goebbels was tried at Nuremberg and hung."

Do you mean Josef Goebbels who killed himself after he and his wife killed their children?

Men are hanged. Pictures and horses are hung.

Wasn't the SS ended after the Night of the Long Knives?
Osiris1
5 / 5 (1) Mar 13, 2018
No Gkam, that was not hte SS but the SA....der SturmAbteilumgen. Der 'SA' was headed by a gay fellow who was caught in bed with one of his 'students' when Hitler and his SS guards shot him. Thousands of SAs followed. Hitler knew these wre driven by the warped ideology of German gutter politics that Hitler and now trumpf preach and deemed them not reliable if he chose to become a total dictator.... so he got ri of them. The SS came out of Hitler's motercycle gang guards and stayed loyal cuz they had nowhere else to go that would give them the life of lazy cruelty that he promised.
Geni-us
2.6 / 5 (5) Mar 13, 2018
If I ever see SKEWED MANIPULATED RESEARCH like this on this website again, I am going to CANCEL my annually paid subscription and turn my ad-blocker back on.

People/Researchers who SABOTAGE their governments/culture and or their people/community because they DON'T LIKE THE RESULTS of an ELECTION/decision are 100% Neurotic COWARDS.

( I am native american/spaniard. I can trace my roots all the way back to the conquistadors. Even I wouldn't SABOTAGE my own nation like this. There is NO HONOR in defeating an OPPONENT when you are playing like a COWARD/PARASITE/DUPLICITOUS weasel.

All you people are ACHIEVING is deteriorating the What little UNITY we had left...

A Coward Dies a Thousand Deaths.....

ASoliderInHisOnionHeadHat23
5 / 5 (1) Mar 13, 2018
It is always good to have a fresh viewpoint Hat22. Please list the top 3 positions that each side must modify in order to meet at common ground.


There are no easy solutions to problems that are as big as our government has become. I would say abolish the fed, but there goes the entire world's economy (so long as debt is king and USD is its queen), I would say smaller government, but millions of people rely on that government for basic survival, I would say end all wars in the middle east but that would not only be dangerous it would probably cause more harm than good. The problem is when the train gets so big and fast, even stopping it has a negative impact. At this point I dont know what to do, or if there is anything to do. At some point no matter what you do it still knocks over the tower of cards, and im afraid we are at that point of no solutions. But that's just me, you all can argue and point fingers and try to put a band-aid on laceration. Im just a pessimist.
MR166
3 / 5 (2) Mar 13, 2018
Geni-us that was really well said.
antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (2) Mar 13, 2018
"Nations have no friends. They only have interests."

Nations are comprised of people. They are not some abstract entity that exists independent of its people. People have friends. I see no reason why nations shouldn't be able to have other nations as friends.
MR166
3 / 5 (2) Mar 13, 2018
Hat # ?? You are correct about the magnitude of government problem. Libertarians want to return many powers to the states. Others, the scary ones, ( to me at least ) want to increase central government powers and reduce individual freedoms. Judging by the total lack of protests there seems to be a new willingness to go to war. The media was not at all critical of Obama's ME wars and seems to want war with Russia now.
gkam
2.3 / 5 (3) Mar 13, 2018
"Others, the scary ones, ( to me at least ) want to increase central government powers and reduce individual freedoms."

And they do it by screaming "freedom" while imposing the Republican Police State on us.
When did we get machine gun-armed police in airports?
When did we become suspects in our own country?

The Republicans did it, . . to us!
rrwillsj
4 / 5 (4) Mar 13, 2018
Those altright fairytails whining about the unfairness by anyone who criticizes the present mal-administration? Are exactly the same people who called (legally-elected) President Obama a nigger. And loudly cried for his lynching.

Threatening secession from the Federal Union. Thereby abrogating their Sacred Loyalty Oaths. Threaten to take to the rooftops and shoot everyone else.

What? You thought you could blurt out filth and nobody was paying attention?

"You sowed the wind... And now, you are reaping the whirlwind!"

As you grovel, licking Putin's jackboots and kissing the Saudi's silk slippers. You cannot understand the revulsion and contempt for your slavish devotion to tyranny.

Not just by Americans but including a large percentage of this world's population.

If you are so infantile as suppress the First Amendment and celebrate the criminal, even treasonous actions of trumplestiltskin's gang of bungle boys? Contempt and mockery is all you deserve.
gkam
3 / 5 (2) Mar 13, 2018
Perfect, . . . except the name is Trumplethinskin.
MR166
1 / 5 (1) Mar 13, 2018
"Those altright fairytails whining about the unfairness by anyone who criticizes the present mal-administration? Are exactly the same people who called (legally-elected) President Obama a nigger. And loudly cried for his lynching. "

WHAT UTTER BS!!!!!!!
gkam
1 / 5 (1) Mar 13, 2018
"same people who called (legally-elected) President Obama a nigger"

And a Kenyan, . . which is code for the same word.

There is no honor in conservatism.
snoosebaum
5 / 5 (1) Mar 13, 2018
sickos not worth our time
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (3) Mar 13, 2018
This mindless, endless, pointless, debate where both side dismisses all the bad things about their own party and points fingers at the other side.
Fallacy of the middle ground. Just because there are two opposing viewpoints doesn't mean that the middle between them is correct. Facts matter.
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (1) Mar 13, 2018
The word 'amendment' should give a fair clue that the Constitution of the US isn't a completely static document, right? (And, of course, this goes doubly for any such amendment)
While true this misses the point about how the US Constitution was structured. It is important that it can be extended with amendments; but the purpose of the Constitution was to give the directions for forming a government, not to prescript or proscript actions of the people. Amendments are to prescript or proscript (mostly the latter) what the government may or may not do, not the people. For example the government may not stop citizens from voting, no matter their sex or race.

For prescription or proscription of actions of the people one must look to the US Code and the laws of the States.
mackita
1 / 5 (2) Mar 14, 2018
Autism's social defects reversed in animals by an anti-cancer drug. This is application of the finding, that conservatives are about to get cancer more often... Whereas science says liberals are more psychotic (liberalism is merely bipolar or schizophrenic trait as I noted above)...
BeLikeColumbo
not rated yet Mar 16, 2018
"One could also call this 'irrational' voting behavior because the surprising success of Trump and Brexit weren't predicted by models that relied on a rational understanding of voters."

In other words: Since we know the models were based on a rational understanding, anything behaving outside the model is irrational. It's very simple and reassuring to know the models were right, even though they failed in predictive power. Any don't say "Confirmation Bias", only a rational person would agree with the model.
gkam
not rated yet Mar 16, 2018
"Whereas science says liberals are more psychotic "

No, . . it doesn't. Read the article - it proves conservatives are neurotic or worse.

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