US should act to support innovation in increasingly clean electric power technologies: report

A new report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine urges Congress, federal and state agencies, and regulatory institutions to significantly increase their support for innovation for what the report's study committee calls "increasingly clean" electric power technologies - nuclear power, carbon capture and storage, and renewables such as solar and wind. Some of these technologies have seen recent cost and price declines and are cost-competitive in certain locations. But significantly greater market penetration of these technologies will be required to help address the worst impacts of climate change, as well as harms to human health such as asthma and premature death caused by pollution.

Currently, most increasingly clean power technologies cost too much and do not perform well enough to achieve high global levels of adoption, the report says. Reducing the cost and improving the performance of increasingly clean power technologies in ways that support wide adoption will, in many cases, require improvements to current technology that are more than incremental. Changes in the way the electricity grid is engineered and operated will be needed as well. The report recommends a range of specific steps the U.S. federal and state governments and regulatory agencies should take to support that improves the performance and cost-competitiveness of increasingly clean electricity generation and grid technologies.

"We called our report The Power of Change because changing where we get our electricity from will require changing how we think, so that we see this not just as one of the greatest challenges of our time but also as one of our country's greatest opportunities," said Charles O. Holliday, Jr., chair of the committee that wrote the report, and chair of Royal Dutch Shell, PLC. "We are only in the second inning of energy innovation, but we could take the lead globally by working together as a nation, and tapping the ingenuity we have always been known best for, to achieve breakthrough innovation."

Innovation is hampered by market failures and nonmarket barriers at all stages of the innovation process, and the report identifies measures that can help overcome them:

  • Proof-of-concept and pilot projects should have clear missions and goals. The U.S. Department of Energy should help advance innovation by using sector-specific road-mapping and challenge funding.
  • The intermediate stages of innovation are among the most critical and often overlooked. Once a concept has been proven, it faces a range of scale-up, manufacturing, regulatory, and market challenges to commercialization. The Small Business Investment Company program can help overcome these barriers; for example, allocating 20 percent of SBIC funding to create new venture capital funds focused on early-stage increasingly clean power technologies.
  • Simulation and testing of new technologies are key capabilities. DOE should take the lead in assessing public and private simulation and testing capabilities, identifying gaps, and supporting or incentivizing creation of capabilities to fill those gaps.

The report identifies additional steps that federal and state governments should take to speed innovation in and adoption of increasingly .

Pricing pollution. Congress should consider an appropriate price on pollution from electricity production, including greenhouse gases and pollutants such as nitrogen oxides and particulate matter, to reflect fossil fuels' "hidden costs" to human health and the environment, the report says. Requiring electricity producers to take those harms into account would help make increasingly clean energy sources cost competitive.

Innovating to improve current generating technologies. In 2015, two-thirds of U.S. electricity was produced from fossil fuels, evenly divided between coal and . Despite significant federal and state efforts in recent years to spur deployment, wind produced less than 5 percent, solar produced less than 1 percent, and other renewables combined (mostly hydroelectric) produced about 8 percent of all U.S. electricity in 2015. The largest low- or no-carbon production of electricity came from nuclear power plants, many of which may be shuttered in the coming decades as their operating licenses expire. (See Figure 2-2 from report.)

The large leaps in performance and cost declines necessary for increasingly clean power technologies to compete in the market will require substantial improvements in currently available technologies and/or significant technological breakthroughs. The scale of innovation needed, and companies' fear that they may not realize an adequate return on their investments, make it unlikely that companies alone will pursue the needed amount of innovation. Moreover, large-scale deployment alone is unlikely to produce cost breakthroughs or technological improvements.

The report identifies steps policymakers can take to encourage innovation in and greater deployment of current increasingly clean power technologies and resources. For example, to speed development and use of carbon capture and storage technologies, Congress should direct the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to develop a set of long-term performance standards for the transport and storage of captured CO2. In the nuclear sector, the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission should prepare for a rulemaking that would change the licensing of advanced nuclear reactors to establish a risk-informed regulatory pathway for considering advanced non-light water reactor technologies, as well as a staged licensing process. As the costs of renewables like wind and solar approach becoming competitive with cheaper natural gas generation, states should expand competitive solicitation processes for the most cost-effective renewable projects and consider the long-term power purchase agreements (PPAs) necessary to enable low-cost capital for project financing.

Improving electric power infrastructure, including the transmission and delivery system. Equally important to improving the current generation technologies are changes to the electricity transmission and distribution system so that it is capable of integrating variable and distributed generating technologies at greater levels. Utility regulators will need to provide incentives to utilities to become fully engaged in innovation and demonstration of new technologies. State regulators and policymakers should implement policies designed to support innovation. For example, they could evaluate approaches in which utility or energy customer funds are set aside to support state and regional innovation programs.

Increasing energy efficiency. The committee also examined opportunities for reducing electricity use by increasing efficiency. It recommends that DOE, on an ongoing basis, set new standards for home appliances and commercial equipment at the maximum levels that are technologically feasible and economically justified. The agency should also increase its investments in innovative , and in behavioral strategies to improve consumers' use of current energy efficient technologies.

Focusing subsidies on initial development of energy technologies. History suggests that such supports as direct subsidies and tax exemptions tend to continue well after technologies have matured and are market-competitive. While subsidies can serve important public policy functions in helping to establish industries, they should be structured to be performance- or outcome-oriented without regard to specific technologies, and to include sunset provisions so they expire either after a specified length of time or a certain performance level has been achieved—as is the case with the recently renewed production tax credits for power from wind and solar. In contrast, the many subsidies for oil and natural gas have no sunset provisions despite the maturity of those industries.


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Sep 08, 2016
Congress should consider an appropriate price on pollution from electricity production

I get that the focus of this is electricity production. But if they're at it wouldn't it be better to put a price on *all* forms of pollution. Until now polluting the environment has largely been a freebie for companies. That can't continue forever. If the full price of all cleanup costs is included then companies from resource extraction to argriculture to manufacturing would feel a lot of pressure to establish more eco-friendly procedures.

Sep 09, 2016
We had to do this large scale in California in 1980, when we were running out of capacity and could not use polluting systems because of air pollution laws. The commissions made the utilities go into the facilities of our customers and show them how to reduce their usage. We gave comprehensive energy analyses in factories, schools, hospitals, and office buildings and any other energy-using equipment. My customers saved an average of 20%, with little cost to them, thanks to the savings realized and the incentives offered by state and federal agencies.

We must use the life-cycle of costs to society when making those decisions on fuels with the total costs, health and sustainability of operations included.

Sep 09, 2016
My customers saved an average of 20%, with little cost to them, thanks to the savings realized and the incentives offered by state and federal agencies
Were these the same customers of yours that you recommended use their swimming pools to cool their houses?

Perhaps considering them 'your customers' is what got you fired.

Hey did PG&E have mandatory pee tests back then? Maybe that had something to do with it. As I recall medical marijuana hadnt been invented yet.

Sep 09, 2016
"Were these the same customers of yours that you recommended use their swimming pools to cool their houses?"
-----------------------------------

No, but I still recommend it. If you understood science, you would see it right away.

Do you have a professional field? You do not seem to understand how things work.

Sep 09, 2016
but I still recommend it
Of course you do.
If you understood science, you would see it right away
You may recall we've been through this george. You were shown that its nonsense and thats the reason there are no residential systems. There were also no residential systems back when you were allegedly recommending that 'your customers' should buy them.
http://phys.org/n...rgy.html
Do you have a professional field?
George kamburoff has never had a professional field but enjoys trying to fool people into thinking that he has.

"At the same time, psychopaths are good imposters. They have absolutely no hesitation about forging and brazenly using impressive credentials to adopt professional roles that bring prestige and power. They pick professions in which the requisite skills are easy to fake, the jargon is easy to learn, and the credentials are unlikely to be thoroughly checked."

-And if exposed simply wait a few weeks and lie again.

Sep 09, 2016
Get rid of your need to get even with me, Toots. You are the anonymous sniper who admittedly are here to play what you called your "games" with the rest of us.

Do you really think substituting heat from cooling for solar heating or fossil-fuel-heating of swimming pools is a bad idea? Why pay to get rid of heat right next to the need for it? Are you aware of the Specific Heat of water?

Go look it up.

BTW, in San Ramon decades ago, Pac Bell had a large and beautiful swan pond with towering fountain outside its headquarters. It was where the HVAC units for the building cluster dumped their waste heat. The evaporation of one cubic foot of water can equal over five ton-hours of refrigeration.

Sep 09, 2016
Do you really think substituting heat from cooling for solar heating or fossil-fuel-heating of swimming pools is a bad idea? Why pay to get rid of heat right next to the need for it? Are you aware of the Specific Heat of water?
So as before you need to provide actual evidence for such a successful residential system, not just bullshit bluster from a phony engineer or musings from some greenie blogger.

You couldnt do it back then and you cant do it now.

Oh and while youre at it please post actual photos of your PV and EV on your little website, instead of sending pics of your neighbors roof to ira.

Because sending phony pics to ira just further convinces people that you are the lying cheating psychopath you have proven yourself to be.

Sep 09, 2016
I need to provide nothing to an anonymous internet sniper. Look it up for yourself.

Then, figure out how much heat a typical California pool takes to go from 60 degrees to 70 degrees F.

Then ask yourself if you want to buy an air-cooled condenser when you have a liquid-cooled one which serves to heat your pool.

Now, show me where it is not a good idea, Mister Science.

Sep 09, 2016
BTW, in San Ramon decades ago, Pac Bell had a large and beautiful swan pond with towering fountain outside its headquarters. It was where the HVAC units for the building cluster dumped their waste heat. The evaporation of one cubic foot of water can equal over five ton-hours of refrigeration
-And FYI swan ponds are not residential swimming pools, and residential AC does not equate to commercial systems.

These are things real engineers know. And they know that amateur designs found on greenie blogs are most likely properly engineered systems which actually do more than make pretty bubbles in the water.

Sep 09, 2016
I need to provide nothing to an anonymous internet sniper. Look it up for yourself
-See? The gutless liar george kamburoff is as usual ALL BULLSHIT.
Then, figure out how much heat a typical California pool takes to go from 60 degrees to 70 degrees F
Throwing numbers around only fools clueless goobers. Eikka went through this with you and showed you that it was garbage, which you would know if you were any more than a pretend engineer.

Have another doobie and pretend some more george. Or be a man and provide some actual evidence that you arent totally full of shit.

Sep 09, 2016
And I see I left out an important word a few posts back...
These are things real engineers know. And they know that amateur designs found on greenie blogs are most likely
NOT
properly engineered systems which actually do more than make pretty bubbles in the water.
-which I do know that most real engineers and non-psychopathic-bullshit-artists would have read correctly anyway.

My mistake.

Sep 09, 2016
Try it, "otto". I will bet everyone else here except for anti can do it.

Can you?

Tell us how much heat it takes to bring a California swimming pool up ten Farenheit degrees from 60 to 70F. It's a simple calculation. Basic Science.


Sep 09, 2016
Tell us how much heat it takes to bring a California swimming pool up ten Farenheit degrees from 60 to 70F. It's a simple calculation. Basic Science
George. You recommend that people buy systems that dont exist. You dont know why they dont exist, you just think they must be a good idea because they sound like a good idea

You really think engineering is done this way?

Unless you can find even one example of a successfully working residential system that is -? I notice about an hour between your 2 posts, and assume you looked but couldnt find any.

Why do you think that is george?

As to your fake numbers and pretense, thats just all psychopathic misdirection isnt it? I posted the thread where eikka took the effort to prove that it is the bullshit it smells like.

Here it is again if youre too stoned to use the scroll button...
http://phys.org/n...rgy.html

Sep 09, 2016
It's a simple calculation. Basic Science
Heres a question: do you think that these systems dont exist because designing them is a little more complicated than calculating
how much heat it takes to bring a California swimming pool up ten Farenheit degrees from 60 to 70F
-??

Do you think that if you were a real engineer instead of just a pretend one, you might understand this?

Sep 09, 2016
Stop dodging the question, which will illuminate my point.

Your inability to do Basic Science tells us a greater point, however.

Sep 09, 2016
The question is, why do you think you're fooling anybody?

Your point is to demonstrate how proud you are of the only skill you have managed to develop during the course of your life; manipulating others.

Thanks for providing yet another teaching opportunity re the bizarre and dangerous mind of the mundane psychopath.
https://youtu.be/-LjnQth93uM

Sep 09, 2016
Shall I tell you how to do it?

It really is first year science. Too much for you apparently.

Sep 10, 2016
George thinks that doing one calculation proves that he is an engineer and also that his miracle swimming pool AC makes sense. George doesn't realize that demonstrating this proves he isn't and never was the engr he claims to be.

When he says
Shall I tell you how to do it?

It really is first year science. Too much for you apparently.
-instead of addressing the fact that he
recommend that people buy systems that dont exist
-He is only playing psychopath games because he thinks it demonstrates how superior he is.

"Psychopaths are notorious for not answering the questions asked them. They will answer something else, or in such a way that the direct question is never addressed. They also phrase things so that some parts of their narratives are difficult to understand. This is not careless speech, of which everyone is guilty at times, but an ongoing indication of the underlying condition in which the organization of mental activity suggests something is wrong."

Sep 10, 2016
Oh and BTW please post actual photos of your PV and EV on your little website, instead of sending pics of your neighbors roof to ira.

Because sending phony pics to ira just further convinces people that you are the lying cheating psychopath you have proven yourself to be.

Sep 10, 2016
I see you can't do a simple calculation using multiplication and division. And I see you cannot even look it up, not knowing where to start.

I guess that is why you are stuck here, being a lowly anonymous internet sniper.

Sep 10, 2016
I see you can't do a simple calculation using multiplication and division
George kamburoff keeps insisting that one simple calculation is all he needs to determine whether swimming pools can be used to cool houses.

Eikka showed him this is delusional.

The fact that these systems are not available shows him that he is delusional.

And still he insists that my not doing his calc for him proves him right and superior.

So whos here to play games george?
You [goobers] can be played like a cheap kazoo
-says george kamburoff the lying cheating psychopath.

"But the fact seems to be that they act based solely on a sort of Game Theory evaluation of a situation: what will they get out of it, and what will it cost? And these "costs" have nothing to do with being humiliated, causing pain, sabotaging the future, or any of the other possibilities that normal people consider when making a choice."

Sep 10, 2016
"In short, it is almost impossible for normal people to even imagine the inner life of the psychopath."

Sep 10, 2016
Stop hiding from the question, "otto". It is a simple one we learn in Junior High.

Do they not teach science in your schools?

Home schooled?

Sep 10, 2016
Stop hiding from the question, "otto". It is a simple one we learn in Junior High.

Do they not teach science in your schools?

Home schooled?
Stop lying. What makes you think you ever had the knowledge or experience to recommend that PG&E customers (not 'yours') buy non-existent swimming pool AC systems? You think they can be designed with one equation.

And since you had no idea what CFR regs are, they wouldnt be legal even if you did. Which I am guessing was one of the many problems with your pseudo-thesis, you know the one written like a comic book?

I am sure this is why you lost this job as well. Isnt it? That is if you ever had it.

One ponders the many layers of george kamburoffs bullshit.

Sep 10, 2016
It is simple math, otto. I am amazed anyone on this forum cannot do it.

Do I have to show you?

Sep 10, 2016
So glad to expose george kamburoff once again.
https://www.youtu...3uW6XNiY

'You know what special projects is otto? You mean you dont know what special projects is??'

haha

"Kat Yu2 months ago (edited)
This is merely an example of a harmless, simple-minded, lonely man who suffers from an addiction to be noticed and wanted. It is unfortunate that he's chosen military uniforms, service/combat medals and fake IDs to fill this void."

-Should we feel sorry for psychopaths? Naw. After all they dont feel anything at all.

Sep 11, 2016
In a country where government takes from many and redistributes it to others for reasons other than preventing someone/group from harming someone else, it's to be expected that everyone will be asking government for their part of the money, and for it they will happily provide politicians reports to subsidize themselves.

When politicians control commerce thru laws, regulations and the permit process, they control who they winners in commerce are, they inhibit innovation, but they generate great amounts of campaign cash from the 1% rich who want to bigger winners. We could have free markets based on property rights with disputes handled via common law in courts, which made America prosperous, but politicians obviously don't want it that way.

Now do you understand this report? There is plenty of incentive in a free market to develop better technology for people. Government research just takes money away from good researchers, and gives it to politically connected hacks.

Sep 12, 2016
Here is the canary in the coal mine for nuke lovers:

"U.S. nuclear plant up for sale
Alabama property is being offered by utility at fraction of its cost

By Jay Reeves

Associated Press
HOLLYWOOD, Ala. — After spending more than 40 years and $5 billion on an unfinished nuclear power plant in northeastern Alabama, the nation's largest federal utility is preparing to sell the property at a fraction of its cost. The Tennessee Valley Authority has set a minimum bid of $36.4 million for its Bellefonte Nuclear Plant and the 1,600 surrounding acres of waterfront property on the Tennessee River. The buyer gets two unfinished nuclear reactors, transmission lines, office and warehouse buildings, eight miles of roads, a 1,000-space parking lot and more."

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