China's electric car tactics rattle automakers

April 20, 2011 By JOE McDONALD , AP Business Writer
Workers set an electric moped into the back of a McCar, new Geely's concept car, at the Shanghai International Auto Show Wednesday, April 20, 2011 in Shanghai. (AP Photo/Eugene Hoshiko)

The toylike electric cars at the Shanghai Auto Show are a glimpse of the high-tech automotive future China's leaders are pursuing - and a harbinger of possible disputes with its trading partners.

Geely's two-seat McCar, Dongfeng's Shuaike microvan, the four-seat M1 REEV from Chery and others promise a range of more than 100 kilometers (60 miles). Most are still in development but some are appearing on China's streets.

Beijing sees electric cars as a field where it can take a global lead, helping to transform China into a creator of technology. But while it pushes its fledgling automakers to create their own products, it also has alarmed global producers that operate in China by pressing them to hand over know-how and limiting access to its market.

Draft investment rules issued last month would allow foreigners to own only a minority stake in of electric car components. Next month, Beijing is due to release a 10-year industry development plan for "new energy vehicles," and automakers worry it will impose further curbs on production or imports.

Foreign manufacturers are concerned Beijing might require them to hand over valuable technology and help local partners create "indigenous brands" as the price of being allowed to sell electric cars in China.

"They certainly worry about that," said John Zeng of JD Power and Associates. "They are still at the stage of investing heavily in research and development. So right now, they are not ready to transfer technology."

Beijing already requires that for a foreign manufacturer to produce an electric car in China, its local joint venture must own the technology for one of the three "core components" - the battery, the motor or the power-management system.

Developing powerful but safe batteries has been a key challenge for Chinese automakers. Batteries in Chinese cars have exploded more than 10 times during development, the business magazine Caijing reported this month.

"This makes drivers not dare to drive these cars," the magazine said.

Electric cars are the latest industry in which Beijing hopes to use China's fast-growing market as leverage to develop its own technology and global brands. It passed the United States in 2009 in number of vehicles sold annually and foreign producers are looking to China to drive sales, putting them under pressure to cooperate.

Beijing requires foreign automakers in China to operate in joint ventures, in hopes their local partners will learn and grow. But communist leaders have been disappointed with the results: Today, China's market is dominated by General Motors Co., Volkswagen AG and other foreign brands. Local producers such as Chery Automobile Co. and Geely Holding Group, the new owner of Sweden's Volvo Cars, are growing fast but are far behind.

Electric cars offer a fresh start in a field with no entrenched leaders.

"They see it as a big opportunity. They want to be dominant in some vehicle market and the old technologies have already been taken," said Deborah Seligsohn, a researcher in Beijing for the Washington-based World Resources Institute.

also are a key part of China's efforts to curb its voracious appetite for imported oil and gas, which communist leaders see as a strategic weakness.

"The energy security advantages for them are enormous," said Seligsohn. "Switching people to electricity that you can produce domestically is very appealing."

Beijing has long pushed for technology transfer in fields from high-speed rail to clean energy as a condition of contracts or licenses. China's bullet trains are based on European and Japanese technology but are being marketed in Latin America and the Middle East, prompting complaints it is violating the spirit of such agreements.

China's auto manufacturing policies have provoked disputes with Washington and other trading partners. The United States, Europe and Canada launched a World Trade Organization case in 2006 challenging Beijing's effort to compel automakers to use Chinese-made components by imposing higher taxes on cars made with more than 40 percent foreign parts. The WTO ruled against Beijing in 2008, but by then automakers had developed local suppliers.

Automakers see China as an important center to develop electric technology as well as a huge potential market.

Beijing is trying to generate demand by promising subsidies of 60,000 yuan ($9,200) per electric vehicle. Cities are being given grants to buy electric buses and taxis.

Ford Motor Co. announced this week it will provide three hybrid and all-electric vehicles to government agencies and later to consumers to study how Chinese drivers use them.

Ford is recruiting Chinese engineers to work on alternative cars, said Nancy Gioia, a Ford executive with the futuristic job title Director of Global Electrification.

Gioia said Ford talked to Chinese officials about the industry plan, but Joe Hinrichs, CEO of Ford China, said it would withhold comment until the plan is released.

"The good news is, we have a good dialogue going on," Gioia said.

The Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, which is developing the plan, did not respond to questions about its status and contents.

A draft of the plan circulated last August alarmed foreign automakers by proposing they could only be minority partners in electric car ventures, less than the 50-50 partnership allowed for conventional autos. That might give Chinese partners control over technology that could be used to create competing products.

Alternative vehicles at the auto show this week reflect the complex relations between Chinese automakers and foreign companies that provide advanced technology and are both partners and potential rivals.

Dongfeng Motor Co.'s plug-in Shuaike is produced in a joint venture with Nissan Motor Co. Dongfeng says the vehicles have been sold to government agencies and future public sales might be possible.

But Nissan plans to import its all-electric Leaf rather than produce them in China, possibly to avoid having to share more advanced technology.

Germany's Daimler AG, maker of Mercedes Benz cars, is creating a new electric car brand with Chinese automaker BYD Corp. and plans to launch a model in 2013. Daimler's CEO for Northeast Asia, Ulrich Walker, said it went that route because it wants to create a separate, lower-cost brand, not because of government pressure.

At the same time, BYD is developing its own vehicles.

The company is testing its F3DM hybrid in Los Angeles and says it hopes to start U.S. sales of its K9 electric bus in 2012. BYD's e6 sedan, which promises a 190-mile (300-kilometer) range, has been tested in taxi fleets in the southern Chinese city of Shenzhen for the past year.

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3.5 / 5 (8) Apr 20, 2011
To all foreign investors in China's fledgling electric car and alternative energy markets:
Face down the Chinese demands for your technology with a unified front. Why? Because loss of Intellectual Property IS A UNIFIED THREAT!
If the chinese government grabs your tech and know-how, what chance in Hades do you have of grabbing it back? The cost of pulling a rabbit out of your hat and getting it to market is always high, at first...then, you have the chairman demanding you hand it over for a third to a fifth of the money you would have made...NO DEAL!
You could have made a real, legal, enforceable, technology transfer deal with an equal partner and gotten tax breaks in Brazil, Paraguay, Vietnam, The U.S., Europe, and a few places in Africa, and much of Eastern Europe. Even if the chairman went to these places and tried to reverse engineer your product, they lack the skill to make it without it blowing up or they would have made it in the first place, no. UNITE NOW!!!
1.7 / 5 (3) Apr 20, 2011
Don't be silly, this will do little more than incite competition. It might be just where I'm standing, but I don't think chevy and ford are really competing with eachother.
3.8 / 5 (4) Apr 20, 2011
The electric car industry may have no entrenched leaders but I won't be trusting in some Chinese start-up to create a car for me given recent Chinese track records on safety, not to mention corruption such as the baby formula and lead paint fiasco's.
2.6 / 5 (9) Apr 20, 2011
Beijing already requires that for a foreign manufacturer to produce an electric car in China, its local joint venture must own the technology..
Bravo to Beijing for finally making corporate scum pay the price to flush their own workforce and exploit the Chinese.

As corporate outsourcing flushes its domestic work force down the toilet, to avoid local laws & living standards, 3rd-world labor has enabled overcompensated executives to lavish in huge bonuses, golden retirements, and enjoy all forms of diplomatic immunity.

Its about time someone put their foot down on the exploits of these fat asses.
3.4 / 5 (5) Apr 20, 2011
Obviously the Chinese do not know the value of Globalization and outsourcing of jobs and R&D to other nations. They are naively looking after the interests of their people, rather than corporate profits. The immoral fools!
3.3 / 5 (3) Apr 20, 2011
After their famous two week traffic jam,one would think the Chinese would be more interested in tractors, trains,ferries, or monorails.We only have one quarter of the population they have.Imagine the problems creating a suitable road system in a land which needs every acre for food.They have already created a high speedtrain network for their cities and should start steadily increasing their subway coverage for their major cities. New York should be an example of improved train and subway connections. One does not need a vehicle within the city,and can easily fly or rent a car to escape the city.
5 / 5 (2) Apr 21, 2011
If you allow thieves to run free long enough, they become bankers.
4 / 5 (4) Apr 21, 2011
If you allow bankers to run free long enough, they become imperialists.
4 / 5 (1) Apr 21, 2011
If you allow imperialists to run free long enough, they become politicians.
4.2 / 5 (6) Apr 21, 2011
If you allow politicians to run free long enough, they become thieves.
5 / 5 (3) Apr 21, 2011
First Base...!!!
1 / 5 (5) Apr 24, 2011
"Why? Because loss of Intellectual Property IS A UNIFIED THREAT!" - Poor Boy

There is no such thing as intellectual property. Never has been. Never will be.

It is an invalid concept.

1 / 5 (3) Apr 24, 2011
If you allow kooks to run free enough, they become Kooks.
2 / 5 (4) Apr 24, 2011
"I won't be trusting in some Chinese start-up to create..." - Yadda. Yadda. Yadda.

Yes. China's corporations are inadequately regulated and product quality suffers as a result.

As to corporate corruption. That is a universal feature of the psychopath corporate mindset that can also only be limited through adequate corporate regulation.

1.6 / 5 (7) Apr 24, 2011
"If the chinese government grabs your tech and know-how, what chance in Hades do you have of grabbing it back?" - Kook Tard

Sure. We will get right on that.

Just as soon as you pay back long overdue royalties for the theft of the Chinese inventions of Gunpowder, Paper, etc.

When will you be sending China your fist cheque for the theft of that Chinese intellectual property?

1 / 5 (1) Apr 24, 2011
go china!

rip them american fucktards :D
1 / 5 (1) Apr 24, 2011
Reality Check...USA or shall i say The "Republicans personal Wallet" Have all profited from our own demise..When the big 3 were in extreme danger of going under,I personally thought for a few moments that we the citizens of the US actually had a great chance to see some REAL steps forward to seeing energy saving vehicles or in fact any source of low cost transportation...

Once they wrote the 3 BIG checks ,a billion to Chevy a Billion to Chevys CEO,A Billion to Ford ,And A Billion to Fords CEO and so on..All of course directly also benefit many politicians in office even to this day.

1 / 5 (4) Apr 24, 2011
"Today, China's market is dominated by General Motors Co., Volkswagen AG and other foreign brands."

Maybe that is why Obama nationalized GM?
not rated yet Apr 25, 2011
Maybe that is why Obama nationalized GM?
You live in a fantasy world. GM has not been nationalized. You're an idiot.
1 / 5 (2) Apr 25, 2011
"Due to a very high threshold imposed by U. S. Government safety rules, most commuter LEVs employ the three-wheel loophole. Legally, a vehicle with only three wheels is considered a motorcycle. As such, safety requirements are minimal. "

Here are more electric cars:
not rated yet Apr 25, 2011
I'm just now starting to notice that where ryggesogn2 goes, so does Skeptic Heretic... just saying is all.

But as to this, maybe a cheaper, more green car is all we need. Think about it, sure a lot of the doomsday theories about say global warming or melting ice caps are just theories, but do we need to make them facts? I think not. Just give it some thought would you?
5 / 5 (1) Apr 25, 2011
I'm just now starting to notice that where ryggesogn2 goes, so does Skeptic Heretic... just saying is all.
It's close to impossible to avoid the dissocial rant ryggesogn2 spreads. While most users prefer to disregard ryggesogn2's droppings, SH takes the burden to teach (not ryggesogn2 but) those who are endangered to fall into ryggesogn2's rhetorical traps. We ought to be thankful.
5 / 5 (1) Apr 25, 2011
Once they wrote the 3 BIG checks ,a billion to Chevy a Billion to Chevys CEO,A Billion to Ford ,And A Billion to Fords CEO and so on..All of course directly also benefit many politicians in office even to this day.

That is more than 3.
not rated yet Apr 25, 2011
Well, never thought I would actually get a response to my comment on ryg, but thanks anyway.

As to Javinator, the checks to the company go to the CEO first, ergo, a billion dollars to Chevy is still a check to Chevy's CEO to spread. Welcome to the modern world my friend!
5 / 5 (1) Apr 26, 2011
Once they wrote the 3 BIG checks ,a billion to Chevy a Billion to Chevys CEO,A Billion to Ford ,And A Billion to Fords CEO and so on..All of course directly also benefit many politicians in office even to this day.

Ford never took a check.
1 / 5 (3) Apr 27, 2011
Are their electric cars better than their electric bikes?
"A deadly fire that swept through an illegally constructed Beijing building this week, killing 17 poor migrants, was triggered by an electric tricycle, state media said Tuesday."
1 / 5 (1) Apr 27, 2011
Chinese electric cars are radioactive. Pass it on.

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