Survey shows many Republicans feel America should take steps to address climate change

Apr 02, 2013

In a recent survey of Republicans and Republican-leaning Independents conducted by the Center for Climate Change Communication (4C) at George Mason University, a majority of respondents (62 percent) said they feel America should take steps to address climate change. More than three out of four survey respondents (77 percent) said the United States should use more renewable energy sources, and of those, most believe that this change should begin immediately.

The national survey, conducted in January 2013, asked more than 700 people who self-identified as Republicans and Republican-leaning Independents about energy and .

"Over the past few years, our surveys have shown that a growing number of Republicans want to see Congress do more to address climate change," said Mason professor Edward Maibach, director of 4C. "In this survey, we asked a broader set of questions to see if we could better understand how Republicans, and Independents who have a tendency to vote Republican, think about America's energy and climate change situation."

Other highlights from the survey include the following:

  • Republicans and Republican-leaning Independents prefer as the basis of America's energy future and say the benefits of clean energy, such as (66 percent) saving resources for our children and grandchildren (57 percent), and providing a better life for our children and grandchildren (56 percent) outweigh the costs, such as more (42 percent) or higher energy prices (31 percent).
  • By a margin of 2 to 1, respondents say America should take action to reduce its fossil fuel use.
  • Only one third of respondents agree with the Republican Party's position on climate change, while about half agree with the party's position on how to meet America's energy needs. A large majority of respondents say their elected representatives are unresponsive to their views about climate change.
"The findings from this survey suggest there is considerable support among conservatives for accelerating the transition away from fossil fuels and toward clean renewable forms of energy, and for taking steps to address climate change," said Maibach. "Perhaps the most surprising finding, however, is how few of our survey respondents agreed with the 's current position on climate change."

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More information: The report can be downloaded at: climatechangecommunication.org

The report is based on findings from a nationally representative survey conducted by the George Mason University Center for Climate Change Communication. A total of 726 adults (18+) were interviewed between January 12th and January 27th, 2013. The average margin of error for the survey +/- 4 percentage points at the 95% confidence level.

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Lurker2358
3.6 / 5 (17) Apr 02, 2013
A large majority of respondents say their elected representatives are unresponsive to their views about climate change.


The majority of Republican voters do not benefit from Republican policies anyway. They have a misperception that the Republican party is somehow more "morally conservative" when this isn't even true for some issues. The Republican politicians have caved on nearly every moral issue that I used to like them for, and have made themselves even more extreme on all the things I disliked them for, so there's not much good to be said about the Republican politicians any more.

I agree with the democrats on most monetary terms, but cannot stand them on most personal or inter-personal morality terms, so there is no good vote for me.

Anyway, it's good to see that all republican constituents aren't totally brain-dead, they just vote for the wrong leaders for all the wrong reasons because that's what they always did.
Maggnus
3.8 / 5 (26) Apr 02, 2013
Another survey confirming that the only people left arguing against global warming are that small cadre of bunker-dwelling conspiracists who will accept no proof and no logical argument.

They have decided, and they will not be swayed by such things as evidence, facts or even good common sense.

Uba, Claudius, Againstseeing, NikfromNY and the occasional drive-by troll are examples of all they have left.
runrig
4.3 / 5 (14) Apr 02, 2013
There are sensible peeps in the States. Well glory be! It'll change of course as soon as colder/wetter than average weather returns. Weather I said.
runrig
3.9 / 5 (14) Apr 02, 2013
The Republican politicians have caved on nearly every moral issue that I used to like them for, and have made themselves even more extreme on all the things I disliked them for, so there's not much good to be said about the Republican politicians any more.


As a distant observer of the last presidential race I was amazed at the switching of policy the eventual loser performed once he'd gained the nomination ( right-wing policies required ) and moderated them when his field was clear ( to try to win the common vote ). To my mind, that is, to say the least, deceptive and cynical. Anti-democratic? Does that not scan with voters there? Just my take.
ryggesogn2
2.3 / 5 (19) Apr 02, 2013
""The findings from this survey suggest there is considerable support among conservatives for accelerating the transition away from fossil fuels and toward clean renewable forms of energy, and for taking steps to address climate change," said Maibach."

Conservatives or Republicans? If anyone is paying attention, there are too many Republicans who are 'liberals' and too few Republicans who are conservative.
A conservatives Republican is Ronald Reagan and there have been no conservative Republican presidents since. There are a few in Congress and a few conservative governors.

But according to the AGWites, politics is NOT an issue for global warming.

"George Mason University Center for Climate Change Communication." The poll couldn't be biased could it?
What does Walter E. Williams, an economist from GM think of the poll?

I was amazed at the switching of policy the eventual loser performed

You were not amazed at Obama's lies?
EverythingsJustATheory
3.6 / 5 (14) Apr 02, 2013
The Republican politicians have caved on nearly every moral issue that I used to like them for, and have made themselves even more extreme on all the things I disliked them for, so there's not much good to be said about the Republican politicians any more.


Exactly. They now say they are for less regulation no matter what, of course except for their view of social issues. Then government intervention and regulation to force their view of social issues (Christianity) is just fine. They say we can't regulate Wall St, but it's ok to regulate abortions through vaginal probes, etc.

Historical Republicans (prior to 1980) used to be rational about issues such as taxation and the environment, and used to mostly stay away from the social issues. When it was necessary, Eisenhower, Nixon, hell even Reagan raised taxes. Nixon created the EPA and the various clean acts.

My views are in the middle historically, which therefore, means I'm a far leftist now.
EverythingsJustATheory
3.7 / 5 (13) Apr 02, 2013
A conservatives Republican is Ronald Reagan


And yet he raised taxes multiple times when it was necessary for the good of the country, something today's republicans, of which you claim are too liberal, are unwilling to do under any circumstances.
Shootist
1.7 / 5 (17) Apr 02, 2013
"The polar bears will be fine." - Freeman Dyson.
runrig
3.7 / 5 (11) Apr 02, 2013
"The polar bears will be fine." - Freeman Dyson.


Ahh - the man that makes vacuum cleaners again. Good man! I've got one of them. Must be true.

http://www.dyson....ers.aspx

Jeddy_Mctedder
3.7 / 5 (9) Apr 02, 2013
"the dinosaurs will be fine" - Birds.
freethinking
2.3 / 5 (21) Apr 02, 2013
No temperature rise in 20 years and people still believe in climate change.
ryggesogn2
2.3 / 5 (21) Apr 02, 2013
"The polar bears will be fine." - Freeman Dyson.

Dyson also was very critical of the climate models.
But he is ONLY a physics professor, what does he know.
Maggnus
3.6 / 5 (13) Apr 02, 2013
Dyson also was very critical of the climate models.
But he is ONLY a physics professor, what does he know.


Physics of course. He's also a socialist Rygg.
Maggnus
3.8 / 5 (17) Apr 02, 2013
No temperature rise in 20 years and people still believe in climate change.


A drive by troll. Stupidity personified.
ryggesogn2
2.2 / 5 (17) Apr 02, 2013
Dyson also was very critical of the climate models.
But he is ONLY a physics professor, what does he know.


Physics of course. He's also a socialist Rygg.


Are you suggesting that because he is a socialist he is too irrational to make a comment on AGW?
After all, any rational observer of economics and human behavior knows socialism fails to promote the rights of individuals.
Maggnus
3.9 / 5 (18) Apr 02, 2013
No, I am saying that his comments on AGW are no more authoritative than a professor of economics commenting on AGW, or your neighborhood gas jockey, for that matter.

Not that you understand the difference. Rygg, the guy who sees a socialist agenda everywhere and a socialist under every bed. You're just a nut bar.
ryggesogn2
2.1 / 5 (18) Apr 02, 2013
"Marxist-Leninism is, to give but one example, an ideology. All the facts of the real world have to be fitted to the Procrustean bed of Marx and Lenin. If the facts don't happen to fit the ideology, the facts are chopped off and discarded.

I consider this to be the complete opposite to principled conservatism. If there is any political viewpoint in this world which is free from slavish adherence to abstraction, it is American conservatism.

When a conservative states that the free market is the best mechanism ever devised by the mind of man to meet material needs, he is merely stating what a careful examination of the real world has told him is the truth."
"The principles of conservatism are sound because they are based on what men and women have discovered through experience in not just one generation or a dozen, but in all the combined experience of mankind."
Ronanld Reagan, CPAC, FEB 1977
ryggesogn2
2 / 5 (20) Apr 02, 2013
his comments on AGW are no more authoritative than a professor of economics commenting on AGW,

But he was commenting on the weakness of global climate models. Anyone who has done any serious work with such complex models, of anything, knows there are limits to how well they can predict the real world.
But AGWites hold such models and their predictions as gospel.
Are AGWites experts in the tools used to create their predictions?
Mann et al were criticized by the NAS for their weak statistical creation of the hockey stick to make the MWP disappear.
The rule anyone who uses computers for data analysis is GIGO.
ryggesogn2
1.9 / 5 (18) Apr 02, 2013
No, I am saying that his comments on AGW are no more authoritative than a professor of economics commenting on AGW, or your neighborhood gas jockey, for that matter.


AGWites disagree:

http://phys.org/n...firstCmt
Maggnus
4.1 / 5 (17) Apr 02, 2013
Just shows how far into delusion you are Rygg. Go hunt socialists, that's all you're good for.
VendicarE
3.4 / 5 (14) Apr 02, 2013
At 90 years old, Dyson knows only as much as his Alzheimer symptoms will permit.

"But he is ONLY a physics professor, what does he know." - RyggTard
VendicarE
3.7 / 5 (13) Apr 02, 2013
Odd isn't it that the climate models he took part in developing back in the 60's showed precisely what the existing models show.

"Dyson also was very critical of the climate models." - RyggTard

Poor RyggTard. He is so delusional he doesn't even know when Faux news is lying to him.
VendicarE
4.3 / 5 (16) Apr 02, 2013
Odd how the temperature measurements don't agree with your Tard assertion.

"No temperature rise in 20 years" - Freetard

http://www.woodfo...93/trend

Can you tell us why you feel a need to lie?
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (17) Apr 02, 2013
I am saying that his comments on AGW are no more authoritative than a professor of economics commenting on AGW,


Using this logic the IPCC must be dissolved. How can climate scientists advise politicians?
VendicarE
4.2 / 5 (15) Apr 03, 2013
This would be the Ronald Reagan who among other idiocies...

Sent tens of billions of American Tax Dollars to Saddam Hussein,

Funded the Taliban,

Gave the Taliban surface to air missiles.

Referred to the Contra terrorists as the moral equivalent to America's founding fathers while illegally selling American defense armaments to IRAN and using the cash to purchase terrorist attacks in Nicaragua.

Cut taxes while increasing military spending thereby causing massive yearly $900 billion dollar deficits (in 2013 dollars)

And publicly claimed that bee dropping were Russian Chemical weapons.

"A conservatives Republican is Ronald Reagan and there have been no conservative Republican presidents since." - RyggTard
djr
4.7 / 5 (13) Apr 03, 2013
"No temperature rise in 20 years"

Check out Vendi's graph above to see how inaccurate your statement is. Surface temperatures are on a plateau at the moment (lot's of noise in there of course - you understand the construct of noise - right?) But surface temperatures are just one component of a highly complex system - so you should not try to forge an argument by cherry picking. If I did not know better - I might think you were trolling - that would never happen on the internet!

Check out this article to give you a lead into the complexity of the climate system - http://theenergyc...confirms
Sigh
4.7 / 5 (12) Apr 03, 2013
"If the facts don't happen to fit the ideology, the facts are chopped off and discarded."
Ronald Reagan, CPAC, FEB 1977

Do you appreciate the irony of you quoting this, when you wrote "Perception is reality"? You can find your quote at http://phys.org/n...ics.html Few here more willing to discard facts than you are.
Howhot
4.2 / 5 (16) Apr 03, 2013
There is not a republican that can be trusted to do anything right for the people. That is the bottom line. I've never seen or met an environmental republican. Deceptive, snarky, holier than god, and dismissive of people below there class; that seems to be the typical M.O.
VendicarE
4.1 / 5 (9) Apr 04, 2013
What history has concluded about Ronald Traitor Reagan.

"Ronald Reagan's Boyhood Home Being Demolished by University of Chicago"

http://www.dnainf...PT3slsGK
VendicarE
4 / 5 (9) Apr 04, 2013
To what "class" do congenital liars belong?

What social "class" exists below that of a Republican? Serial Killers? Unrepentant Child Molesters? People who torture family pets?

"Deceptive, snarky, holier than god, and dismissive of people below there class" - HowHot

VendicarE
4 / 5 (9) Apr 04, 2013
"Facts are silly things." - Ronald Traitor Reagan.

What happened to RyggTard?

It appears that every time the truth appears, he runs away.

Filth.
Howhot
4.6 / 5 (9) Apr 04, 2013
VendyE asks;
What social "class" exists below that of a Republican?

What a great question. I think in theory political parties are supposed to be like shades of gray going from black to white or in the case of the US, blue to red. You can see from voting patterns that people are stuck in the center shifting from light gray to dark gray. What is different now is there is no center. The red side has totally and forcefully rejected voters needs in favor of their money backing supporters. This has skewered everything towards the red, while the middle stays the same. As they loose more they pull even further to the right and loose even more.

That is politics, but how do these losers decide to start blaming science I would like to know. Facts and figures bear it out with AGW global warming and yet right will lie to your face denying every fact presented. Where are their ethics? What motivates such an ethical collapse?

Any thoughts VendiE?

ryggesogn2
1.9 / 5 (14) Apr 04, 2013
yet right will lie to your face denying every fact presented

Who is lying?
"Obamacare Lie #1: "If you like your healthcare plan, you'll be able to keep your healthcare plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what.""
"Obamacare Lie #2: "Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase.""
Obamacare Lie #3: "I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits - either now or in the future."
Obamacare Lie #4: Obamacare will "cut the cost of a typical family's premium by up to $2,500 a year."
Obamacare Lie #5: The new healthcare law will improve, not hurt, the quality of American healthcare.
Obamacare Lie #6: It's not a government takeover: "I don't believe that government can or should run healthcare."
Obamacare Lie #7: The state health insurance exchanges will open on time.
ryggesogn2
1.9 / 5 (14) Apr 04, 2013
Trust democrats:
"Bronx Democratic Assemblyman, arrested for taking $20,000 in bribes after fellow lawmaker Nelson Castro cooperates in case against him

Read more: http://www.nydail...PYPdMfGr
"
And of course NO IL democrat would ever lie.
ryggesogn2
1.9 / 5 (14) Apr 04, 2013
What does Obama's EPA have to hide?

"The latest example involved Lisa Jackson, who has led the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency since the beginning of the president's first term. Jackson is resigning, but only after it was revealed she used a fake name (Richard Windsor) to create a fake e-mail address to conduct official EPA business."
"This is not the first time the EPA has been in the spotlight because its administrator acted against the interests of transparency. Carol Browner, who led the agency under Bill Clinton and then served for a time as President Obama's "environmental czar" – ordered the hard drive on her government computer erased and reformatted and all backup tapes destroyed only hours after a federal judge had ordered the EPA to preserve all agency e-mail records."
http://www.breitb...ails-epa
What 'science' is the EPA hiding?
deepsand
3.4 / 5 (15) Apr 05, 2013
Of course, no Republican administration, Representative or Senator in recent history has been less than a paragon of virtue.

You, ryggesogn2, are a hypocrite of epic proportion.
ryggesogn2
1.8 / 5 (16) Apr 05, 2013
Of course, no Republican administration, Representative or Senator in recent history has been less than a paragon of virtue.

You, ryggesogn2, are a hypocrite of epic proportion.

Hottie said only Republican lie.
Given the failure of 'progressive' socialism and the promises made by the democrats who support it, the 'liberal' has much to verify before being trusted. And it is the 'liberal' Al Gore who been front and center profiting from and promoting AGW.
Carl Popper was motivated by the lies of Marxists (democrats) to develop his falsifiability concept for science.
ryggesogn2
1.9 / 5 (14) Apr 05, 2013
"In short, the world economy has become divided into two groups: (1) sickly PIIGGS with chronic fiscal crises and (2) booming BRIC and MIST economies with modest government spending, lower tax rates and vigorous growth of both the economy and tax receipts."
"What works, these successful economies discovered, is (1) to prevent government spending from growing faster than the private economy that supports it, and (2) to reduce rather than increase the highest, most damaging tax rates.

Read more: http://www.realcl...PaciJno8
Follow us: @RCP_Articles on Twitter

Why do socialists refuse to acknowledge what works for a successful economy? Socialists want power more than prosperity. Its the same for the AGWite. They prefer power over effective solutions.
VendicarE
3.8 / 5 (9) Apr 05, 2013
The answer is self evident.

For decades, Conservatives, and their Libertarian and Randite brothers in crime have been at war with reality.

Some of the tenants of their collective ideologies are.

Laws create criminals.
Anti-Poverty measures create poverty.
Tax breaks for the wealthy increase the wealth of the poor.
Offshoring American Jobs improves the American Economy.
Cutting taxes increases government revenue.

A plurality of Republicans still believe that Saddam had WMD, and was behind the 911 attacks.

A plurality of Republicans still believe in angels, 20% believe that Obama is probably the anti-Christ.

http://www.guardi...theories

"how do these losers decide to start blaming science I would like to know." - Howhot

Republicans are overwhelmingly detached from reality. Science documents and describes reality. So what do Republicans who believe that the world is being controlled by shape shifting aliens do CONT
VendicarE
3.8 / 5 (8) Apr 05, 2013
when confronted with the facts that shape shifting aliens don't exist on earth? They have two choices. Modify their failed belief system and begin to abandon their ideology, or maintain their belief system and conclude that science (something they are incapable of understanding) is a lie?

They of course conclude that science is a lie and that their fantasy world is real.

Consider today's headlines on the Druge Report

"Payrolls Plunge To 88K, Biggest Miss Since December 2009"

And yet in the body of the article we find the reality...

"Total nonfarm payroll employment edged up in March ( 88,000)."

In another example from the same page an article is titled...

"Global cooling... Washington lowers rhetoric"

Above that title there is a picture of cherry blossoms, but what is the actual article about?

The real article title being linked to is...

"U.S. reducing rhetoric that feeds North Korean belligerence"

CONT
VendicarE
3.9 / 5 (9) Apr 05, 2013
In a third example from Druge..

Under a picture showing Chavez talking to Christina Kurchner the title "HOT MIC: Cristina Kirchner 'old hag'..." is presented.

But it isn't Chavez who made the statement as implied by the picture, it is head of Uruguay Jose Mujica who reportedly said this.

No proof that this was actually said is offered.

Republicans lie with every breath.

I have never encountered a Republican who wasn't a congenital and perpetual liar.
VendicarE
3.9 / 5 (8) Apr 05, 2013
RyggTard is lying of course.

Nothing of the kind was said.

"Hottie said only Republican lie." - RyggTard

What was said was....

"There is not a republican that can be trusted to do anything right for the people. " - HowHot

And HowHot is quite right...
VendicarE
4 / 5 (9) Apr 05, 2013
The failure of the American economy that started in 2008 under BUSH are of course the direct result of American Capitalism, specifically due to the deregulation of Capital markets.

The failure of the Iceland Economy was the result of the same reliance on unregulated capital markets.

The failure of the British economy has the same origins.

The ongoing crisis in the economy of Cyprus has the same origins.

And of course, 30 years of Borrow and Spend Republicanism is the origin of America's debt crisis.

"Given the failure of 'progressive' socialism" - RyggTard

RyggTard is living in a land of self delusion.

VendicarE
3.9 / 5 (8) Apr 05, 2013
RyggTard seems oblivious to the fact that the socialist economies of Germany and China have been taking America to the cleaners for decades.

"Why do socialists refuse to acknowledge what works for a successful economy?" - RyggTard

Idiot.
1Punisher
4.3 / 5 (12) Apr 05, 2013
The internet is filled with American filth like ryggesogn2, they are all essentially clones who are incapable of thinking rationally, and incapable of conducting themselves honesty in any conversation.

Like Vendi, I have never met a Libertarian who wasn't a continual liar in every aspect of their lives.

I have worked with people like ryggesogn2 and they have all been losers who continually blame others for the results of their own ideological and personal failings.

Light swtich is broken.... Blame the building superattendent. Wife finally had enough of your bitching and left, blame her for having good sense enough to walk out on a loser and a losing relationship.

Kids hate you? Blame the schools rather than your continual abuse of them.

I'm sick of these scum sucking Libertarian losers.

They are all greedy low life's who are out to take as much from this nation as possible while driving it into the ground as deeply as possible.

Traitors all.
1Punisher
4.4 / 5 (7) Apr 05, 2013
Absolutely nothing.....

"What does Obama's EPA have to hide?" - ryggesogn2

You low life Maggot.
Howhot
4.6 / 5 (9) Apr 05, 2013
Vendi say:
Republicans lie with every breath.

The honest truth is I've never seen one either that doesn't lie or is so delusionally misinformed to not know the ramifications of his/her idiocy. The later tending to be tea party.
ryggesogn2
1.9 / 5 (14) Apr 05, 2013
I hope democrats are not lying.
"People Not In Labor Force Soar By 663,000 To 90 Million, Labor Force Participation Rate At 1979 Levels"
If they are not lying, they really do want people to be working, earning more wealth for them to plunder.

Based upon their actions, and assuming they are not stupid, they ARE lying because what they really want is more power and more people on welfare dependent upon the state.
Forestgnome
1.7 / 5 (11) Apr 06, 2013
Maybe the bunker-dwellers don't believe in AGW because they have time to read and use their own brains for something other than following the latest celebutard on Twitter. Besides, what if we are warming the planet? We averted the next ice age. Warm is good!
VendicarE
3.8 / 5 (9) Apr 06, 2013
RyggTard asserts that all liberals want is more power. In fact, this is exactly wrong, but does tell us what RyggTard really wants.

Like all Conservative swine, money and the power to enslave the people are the only things he dreams of.

"Based upon their actions, and assuming they are not stupid, they ARE lying because what they really want is more power" - RyggTard

Stupid.
Lurker2358
5 / 5 (7) Apr 07, 2013
As a distant observer of the last presidential race I was amazed at the switching of policy the eventual loser performed once he'd gained the nomination ( right-wing policies required ) and moderated them when his field was clear ( to try to win the common vote ). To my mind, that is, to say the least, deceptive and cynical. Anti-democratic? Does that not scan with voters there? Just my take.


President is the one elected office where the popular vote does not directly matter. Each state has different rules for selecting their delegates, and the delegates are the ones who vote for president.

Candidates flip-flop on issues because they're hoping to gain votes from the opposing party. Most people who list themselves as "Republican" will ALWAYS vote for the Republican in a Republican vs Democrat situation, so the Republican candidate loses little by flip-flopping.

Romney lost the election because he literally hates average and poor people, and he got caught red handed.
ryggesogn2
1.8 / 5 (15) Apr 07, 2013
Romney lost the election because he literally hates average and poor people, and he got caught red handed.


He lost because he tried to be a 'liberal'.
Conservatives, unlike 'liberals' do NOT hate any people, especially poor people, because conservatives support a govt with limited power that promotes the creation of businesses which fosters the creation of private sector, wealth creating jobs.
'Liberals' do love poor people because they want and need more poor people to be dependent upon a more powerful socialist state.
Anyone who truly loves and respects people wants them to be independent, self-confident and prosperous. Socialism destroys independence, self-worth and wealth.
ryggesogn2
1.8 / 5 (15) Apr 07, 2013
"That city was once the picture of American industrial might. Henry Ford deployed the production line there and helped create the modern middle class. During World War II, more than a third of U.S. war material was manufactured in the city. And during the post-war boom, cars made in Detroit embodied the American success story.'
"These days there's more work to be done tearing homes down than building new ones. An executive at Pulte Homes has set up a non-profit to do just that in Detroit. By reversing the building process, it can remove an empty house for just $5,000, half what it would cost the city government to do so."
http://www.realcl...832.html
ryggesogn2
1.8 / 5 (15) Apr 07, 2013
""If the government could fix the problem, they would," urban artist Jenenne Whitfield told National Review. "Everything we know that's historically held up this city is broken. It's a bit of a radical way of thinking . . . [but] our government has to change. It has to go back to what it was, going all the way back to the Constitution."

A non-profit group called Motor City Blight Busters that has taken down some 1,500 houses. There "a lot of rules and regulations that relate to removing property," the group's founder said. "The government [has been] interfering with our ability and others' ability" to remove blight."

Read more: http://www.realcl...PpJkEBo3
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Detroit has been led by democrats for decades. One was just convicted on 24 of 30 counts of corruption in federal court.
deepsand
3.3 / 5 (14) Apr 07, 2013
Romney lost the election because he literally hates average and poor people, and he got caught red handed.


He lost because he tried to be a 'liberal'.
Conservatives, unlike 'liberals' do NOT hate any people, especially poor people, because conservatives support a govt with limited power that promotes the creation of businesses which fosters the creation of private sector, wealth creating jobs.
'Liberals' do love poor people because they want and need more poor people to be dependent upon a more powerful socialist state.
Anyone who truly loves and respects people wants them to be independent, self-confident and prosperous. Socialism destroys independence, self-worth and wealth.

Pure unadulterated BS.
Thrasymachus
4.1 / 5 (9) Apr 07, 2013
The existence of government is a necessary evil. Too many people like to pretend that it isn't necessary, and too many people like to pretend that it isn't evil. Tell me, how far would you trust someone who volunteers to do something evil? There's only two kinds of people who would do that, heroes and villains, and good luck telling the difference between them.

Our government is supposed to represent us, and only occasionally lead us, in times of crisis and when necessary. When you want to represent a population, you select from it randomly. When you want to lead a population, you select the best and brightest. But when we don't have representation right, how can we be expected to get the leadership right?

The source of all corruption in our politicians is elections. Perhaps it's time to take a page from the founders of democracy, and select our representation by sortition.
ryggesogn2
1.8 / 5 (15) Apr 08, 2013
The source of all corruption in our politicians is elections.

The source of corruption is (1) the expectation leaders will be angels and (2) a population in which virtue is not promoted and we can all live at the expense of someone else.
Demanding elected and appointed leaders follow their respected constitutions is the first step.
Not bowing to name calling by those advocating popular policies, like homosexual marriage, that change constitutions without due process is another step.
When the law can be changed by simply changing the meaning of a word, at a whim, then we return to the rule of kings.
"Today the king says the color of an orange is now blue." is one example occurring today.
And if you don't agree with the king or his minions, you are a racist, ....
'Liberals' like Wilson, FDR, and Obama are destroying the constitution, substituting the rule of the Regulatory State.
A lottery for elected officials won't changed a socialist dictatorship.
ryggesogn2
1.8 / 5 (15) Apr 08, 2013
Sandy, do you think the millions who are living on the dole due to the 'love' of 'liberals' like being a slave to the state?
Is that how 'liberals' show their 'love', by enslaving their populations? By telling them what they can't eat or can't buy (like a 1 liter soda at 7-11?)
Obamacare in the US will practically enslave the doctors who try to practice medicine and ration care for patients. That's REAL love?
'Liberals' don't respect the individual. They really can't if they want to be 'liberal'.
If you respect individuals and their God given rights, they you must protect those rights, hold the individuals responsible and accountable for exercising those rights.

ryggesogn2
1.9 / 5 (14) Apr 08, 2013
"Last year, new government regulations required automobile companies to increase the fuel economy of their cars, to a point where the fleet-wide average must exceed 50 miles per gallon by 2025. True, those regulations will reduce air pollution and promote energy independence, but the majority of the benefits come in the form of gas savings for consumers"
http://www.newrep...-friend#

CAFE standards kill.

"The new regulations did accomplish one thing -- they killed drivers and passengers in large numbers. By lightening cars and removing material, auto companies were inadvertently discarding the armor that protected motorists in the event of a crash. "
http://www.americ...rds.html

The intent of CAFE was to lower overall fuel consumption. That failed.
Why must the govt mandate economy? Consumers are more effective at this. In the 70s demand efficient cars was limited by govt import quotas.
ryggesogn2
1.9 / 5 (14) Apr 08, 2013
The nanny state must really hate those who drive small cars:
"According to the Brookings Institution, a 500-lb weight reduction of the average car increased annual highway fatalities by 2,200-3,900 and serious injuries by 11,000 and 19,500 per year. USA Today found that 7,700 deaths occurred for every mile per gallon gained in fuel economy standards. Smaller cars accounted for up to 12,144 deaths in 1997, 37% of all vehicle fatalities for that year. The National Academy of Sciences found that smaller, lighter vehicles "probably resulted in an additional 1,300 to 2,600 traffic fatalities in 1993." The National Highway Transportation and Safety Administration study demonstrated that reducing a vehicle's weight by only one hundred pounds increased the fatality rate by as much as 5.63% for light cars, 4.70% for heavier cars, and 3.06% for light trucks."
http://www.americ...rds.html
Brookings has a 'liberal' bias.
ryggesogn2
1.9 / 5 (14) Apr 08, 2013
And, what's even more telling, the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, funded by capitalist insurance companies, conduct more rigorous safety testing on autos than the US govt.
When auto companies don't achieve a high rating, they redesign and return to earn the high rating.
Consumers want safe autos and low insurance rates and insurance companies have a vested interest in lower cost claims.
"All other things being equal, occupants in a bigger, heavier vehicle are better protected than those in a smaller, lighter vehicle. Both size and weight affect the forces people inside a vehicle experience during a crash. The magnitude of those forces is directly related to the risk of injury."
"The Smart Fortwo, Honda Fit and Toyota Yaris all had good ratings in the Institute's moderate overlap frontal test, but all three performed poorly in the crashes with midsize cars. 1 "
http://www.iihs.o...ght.aspx
ryggesogn2
1.9 / 5 (14) Apr 08, 2013
T, what a concept:

"A coalition of state-based conservative think tanks led by the Oklahoma-based Liberty Foundation is advancing an old idea that if implemented could revolutionize American governance. The idea is "competitive federalism," which the coalition defines as "the powerful harnessing of our tri-partite sovereignty system that allows states to compete with each other over a broad range of issues to provide citizens with the best value goods and services at the lowest cost." Think of the difference between having only one place to buy food versus having 50."
http://washington.../2526474
But it limits the power of the socialist state?
ryggesogn2
1.9 / 5 (14) Apr 08, 2013
Conservatives really do hate people?
" I think the British people are about the most fair and generous people on the planet.

But no one wants to work hard every day and see their hard-earned taxes being used to fund things they themselves cannot afford, or keep generations dependent on welfare. So this month we are making some big changes.

They are changes that have a simple principle at their heart — we are restoring the fairness that should lie at the very heart of our tax and welfare systems.
"In fact, as a result of all of our changes this month, nine out of ten working households will be better off by an average of nearly £300 per year."

Read more: http://www.thesun...PsV6y98G
Socialism is failing, again, in UK, so they try to limit state power, again, to save themselves.
VendicarE
4.1 / 5 (9) Apr 08, 2013
This of course, is another lie from RyggTard.

"He lost because he tried to be a 'liberal'." - RyggTard

Ronmey lost because he was a Congenital liar, and while being a congenital liar is apparently an essential component to being a Conservative, this is not a desirable property among liberals, or most independents.

As a result, Ronmey lost big as did Teabagger loons like RyggTard.
VendicarE
4.1 / 5 (9) Apr 08, 2013
Clearly, American businesses aren't interested in employing Americans.

""People Not In Labor Force Soar By 663,000 To 90 Million, Labor Force Participation Rate At 1979 Levels" - RyggTard

It is a disaster of Libertarian proportions.
VendicarE
3.9 / 5 (8) Apr 08, 2013
"Conservatives really do hate people?" - RyggTard

There is no other way to rationally explain why so many Conservatives are purchasing weapons and ammunition who's only purpose is to kill their neighbors.
VendicarE
4 / 5 (8) Apr 08, 2013
Funding things that individuals can't afford is pretty much the entire purpose of taxation.

No individual could have funded the Apollo program. Only Government could have done that.

"But no one wants to work hard every day and see their hard-earned taxes being used to fund things they themselves cannot afford.." - RyggTard

Libertarian/Randites like RyggTard is nearly completely divorced from reality.

How could it be otherwise when the worship at the alter of Ayn Rand, a welfare queen?

VendicarE
4.1 / 5 (9) Apr 08, 2013
Socialism is working very well in Germany, Sweden, Norway, China, Australia, Canada, Japan, etc. etc. etc.

"Socialism is failing, again, in UK" - RyggTard

It isn't socialism that is failing in the U.K. and America. It is the U.K and the U.S. Capitalist system that has failed.

Again.

Socialists weren't in charge of Lehman Brothers, HSBC, or the Bank of Scotland.

VendicarE
4.1 / 5 (9) Apr 08, 2013
Is that why Libertarian Economists under Ronald Reagan ran the U.S. economy into the ground?

Is that why Libertarian Economists sent to Russia, ran the Russian economy into the ground?

"Anyone who truly loves and respects people wants them to be independent, self-confident and prosperous. - RyggTard

Is that why Libertarian economists under George Bush rand the U.S. economy into the ground?
VendicarE
4.1 / 5 (9) Apr 08, 2013
Why have American Corporations moved those assembly lines to China, India and other low wage nation?

"That city was once the picture of American industrial might. Henry Ford deployed the production line there and helped create the modern middle class." - RyggTard

Hasn't obliterating the U.S. manufacturing sector destroyed the U.S. middle class?

Libertarians and Randites typically blame the middle class for the destruction of the middle class.

Their argument goes that if only the U.S. middle class had committed suicide by demanding lower wages they could have competed against the dollar a day wages paid in Africa, and then Corporations would not have had to Destroy the U.S. middle class.

This is a particularly effective argument among Libertraians who also believe that "laws create criminals", and that health care for the poor just "breeds more of them".

I find the position intellectually abhorrent.
VendicarE
4.1 / 5 (9) Apr 08, 2013
Just across the river from Detroit is Windsor Ontario. Part of the Socialist state of Canada.

Windsor had it's first murder in two years last year.

In his 60 years, Arnold Blaine has known only two people who've owned a gun: one a hunter, the other a nightclub owner.

"We don't even have gun shops," said the Windsor, Ontario, business owner.

"Detroit has been led by democrats for decades." - RyggTard

In Detroit, home to about 713,000 people last year, homicides occur nearly once a day.

Clearly there is something wrong with Capitalist America.
VendicarE
4 / 5 (8) Apr 08, 2013
Odd, how YOU had no complaints when George Bush declared war against Iraq in violation of the U.S. constitution.

"Demanding elected and appointed leaders follow their respected constitutions is the first step" - RyggTard

Filth.
VendicarE
4 / 5 (8) Apr 08, 2013
Poor RyggTard. He is blissfully unaware that the U.S. constitituon says NOTHING about marriage.

Not bowing to name calling by those advocating popular policies, like homosexual marriage, that change constitutions without due process is another step." - RyggTard

Neither does the U.S. constitution provide for the creation of an air force.

Why isn't RyggTard demanding that the U.S. airforce be abolished because it is unconstitutional?

Moron.
VendicarE
4 / 5 (8) Apr 08, 2013
Changing the meaning of words is the primary method of reasoning used by Libertarians.

"When the law can be changed by simply changing the meaning of a word, at a whim, then we return to the rule of kings." - RyggTard

This is why we continually have to post the dictionary definitions of words in our responses to him, after he has declared that a particular word doesn't mean xyz.

In the last example of his Libertarian Newspeak nonsense, he claimed that efficiency is measured in dollars.

Poor RyggTard.
VendicarE
4 / 5 (9) Apr 08, 2013
RyggTard believes that thre are millions of jobs out there that are just waiting be be filled by the homeless and the destitute.

According to Libertarian/Randite doctrine, all that is needed is the abandonment of minimum wage laws and child labor laws and the problem of unemployment will be solved.

"Sandy, do you think the millions who are living on the dole due to the 'love' of 'liberals' like being a slave to the state?" - RyggTard

Child prostitution of course is a form of sacred Libertarian commerce that only the evil state prohibits.

Isn't that right... RyggTard.
VendicarE
4.3 / 5 (11) Apr 08, 2013
Since Americans are free to move from state to state, or even leave the country entirely if they desire, it is hard to understand RyggTard's claim that they are somehow "slaves"

"Is that how 'liberals' show their 'love', by enslaving their populations?" - RyggTard

Such comments are perpetually being stated by Conservatives.

They clearly don't know what slavery is, and like RyggTard, are mentally ill.
Jimee
4.4 / 5 (9) Apr 08, 2013
Most people are relatively moderate. The only voices we hear are the radical crackpots.
ryggesogn2
1.7 / 5 (17) Apr 08, 2013
Most people are relatively moderate. The only voices we hear are the radical crackpots.

What does 'moderate' mean?
Murder in moderation is ok?
Theft in moderation is ok?
"There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil. The man who is wrong still retains some respect for truth, if only by accepting the responsibility of choice. But the man in the middle is the knave who blanks out the truth in order to pretend that no choice or values exist, who is willing to sit out the course of any battle, willing to cash in on the blood of the innocent or to crawl on his belly to the guilty, who dispenses justice by condemning both the robber and the robbed to jail, who solves conflicts by ordering the thinker and the fool to meet each other halfway. In any compromise between food and poison, it is only death that can win. In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit."
VendicarE
4.5 / 5 (8) Apr 09, 2013
More extremist nonsense from RyggTard.

"There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil." - RyggTard

In fact, there are many sides to every issue, and most issues are resolved as a matter of personal preference as opposed to a solution being demanded by nature.

Some vermin like RyggTard may for example insist that homosexuals not be permitted to marry, while others may argue that it should be permitted.

Such matters are nothing more than a matter of personal preference, and holding a pro, anti, or neutral position on this issue does not make one evil an any instance.

On the other hand, RyggTard's instance that children have no right to food, clothing, shelter, education or medical care, is nothing but pure evil of the host heinous form.

It is however, not as evil as his hero Ayn Rand claiming that a friend of hers who murdered and cut the legs off a 12 year old girl was a "moral superman" due to his actions.
ryggesogn2
1.8 / 5 (15) Apr 09, 2013
Conservatives support and defend the protection of everyone's individual right to life, liberty and property regardless of class, color, religion.
'Liberals' support and defend the redisitriution of wealth, attacking the life, liberty and property of unfavored minorities.
This is why so many here scream out obscenities and attack because they can't defend their ACTIONS.
'Liberals' must lie to voters. Blacks have been voting 'liberal' for decades yet their poverty and unemployment rates are much higher than average. Now, the 'liberals' want to grant immediate citizenship to illegal aliens, mostly from Central and South America to add to their list of dependents.
Woe be to the black who leaves the 'liberal' reservation. Dr. Ben Carson, is being attacked by 'liberals' because he is black and because he attacks the 'liberals'. Clarance Thomas, Herman Cain, Walter E. Williams, Thomas Sowell, Allen West are no longer black in the 'liberal's' eyes.
VendicarE
4.2 / 5 (10) Apr 09, 2013
Is that why Republicans are constantly seen referring to Muslems as "Rag Heads"?

Is that why Republicans decided to oppose a Muslim community center NEAR the former Trade towers, by dishonestly claiming that it was a Mosque and that it was being built on the site of the World Trade center?

"Conservatives support and defend the protection of everyone's individual right to life, liberty and property regardless of class, color, religion." - Delusional RyggTard

Is that why Republicans oppose providing a minimum standard of universal health care for all Americans?

Is it why Republicans oppose laws prohibiting child labor?

Is it why Republicans oppose laws guaranteeing children are educated?

Is it why Republicans strongly support the U.S. military murder of several million civilians in undeclared and hence unconstitutional wars over the last 30 years?

Was respecting the lives of others the reason why Ronald Traitor Reagan funded the Taliban?
VendicarE
4.1 / 5 (9) Apr 09, 2013
Was respecting the lives of others the reason why George Bush Jr. and his Republican administration for years lied about Iraqi WMD, and repeatedly attempted to tie Saddam Hussein to 911?

Was respecting the rights of others the reason why the same Bush administration forged documents from Nigeria concerning attempted Iraqi purchases of Uranium?

Is respecting the rights of others the reason why Republicans in Florida spent so much effort in suppressing the minority vote in that state?

Is respecting the rights of others the reason why Republicans have been jerrymandering electoral districts all over America in order to suppress the Democrat majorities in those districts?

Is respecting honesty and integrity and truth the reason we see Republicans lying with every breath they take?

Filth.
VendicarE
4.3 / 5 (11) Apr 09, 2013
"The financial crash of 2008 was a direct result of the policies Thatcher championed. The dominance of finance in the economy and the failure of bank regulation flowed from her belief that markets should always be left to themselves. The credit boom – both here and in the USA – may have gone against her Grantham roots but was an equally inevitable result of deregulation" - Clearing up the mess that Margaret Thatcher left - The Guardian - Frances O'Grady

Libertarian/Randite economics has been a spectacular failure wherever it has been attempted.

Thatcher was, like Ronald Traitor Reagan, an adherent to the universally failed ideology.
Howhot
4.3 / 5 (12) Apr 12, 2013
Since the Republican party shift to the extreme right, how do they answer all of the calls to address the global warming issue. From the article title;
Survey shows many Republicans feel America should take steps to address climate change

What is the GOP going to do with characters like Sen. Inhofe who's claim to fame is that all environmental issues are the work of the devil (more or less)? One of America's great science illiterates.
VendicarE
4.3 / 5 (12) Apr 13, 2013
The Republican party is chocked full of scientific illiterates.

Tea Party Rep. Paul Broun: Evolution and Big Bang Are "Lies Straight From the Pit Of Hell." Why Yes, He Serves On the House Science Committee With Todd Akin

http://www.thedai...dd-akin/

ryggesogn2
1.7 / 5 (17) Apr 13, 2013
Since the Republican party shift to the extreme right,

The republican party is shifting to the left and has been since the election of GHW Bush. Which is why Bush, Dole, McCain and Romney lost.
The republicans who won the House in 2010 were not 'liberals' and senators Paul and Cruz are not 'liberals'.
If Rs don't want to disappear like the Whigs, they must return to the rule of law and follow the Constitution (unlike the 'liberal' democrats).
VendicarE
4.5 / 5 (8) Apr 13, 2013
Is that why extremist conservative Republicans were referring to George Bush Jr. as the greatest president in the history of America?

"The republican party is shifting to the left and has been since the election of GHW Bush" - RyggTard

Tribute To George W Bush Best Ever President

http://www.youtub...pHX1ESmU

George W. Bush takes the bronze in his debut on the nation's greatest-president list, boosted by a strong vote from the Republican judges.

http://abcnews.go...6oKKG3FA
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.4 / 5 (10) Apr 23, 2013
The existence of government is a necessary evil. Too many people like to pretend that it isn't necessary, and too many people like to pretend that it isn't evil. Tell me, how far would you trust someone who volunteers to do something evil? There's only two kinds of people who would do that, heroes and villains, and good luck telling the difference between them
My god thats profound. Say tm, why would heros volunteer for something evil? Perhaps theyre anti-heros. Maybe.
ryggesogn2
2 / 5 (14) Apr 23, 2013
Tell me, how far would you trust someone who volunteers to do something evil? There's only two kinds of people who would do that, heroes and villains,


"In Milgram's first set of experiments, 65 percent (26 of 40)[1] of experiment participants administered the experiment's final massive 450-volt shock, though many were very uncomfortable doing so; "
http://en.wikiped...periment
Neinsense99
3.6 / 5 (9) May 17, 2013
Perhaps some Christians realize that they have a religious obligation to take proper care of the environment?
deepsand
3.1 / 5 (11) May 17, 2013
Perhaps some Christians realize that they have a religious obligation to take proper care of the environment?

Unfortunately, while some do, many do not. Instead, they believe that their god has granted them dominion over all, and that it will protect them from all harm.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.5 / 5 (8) May 17, 2013
Actually since religionists believe that their god will be destroying everything when he returns anyway (because it SAYS so in revelations), I suspect they would tend to regard AGW as a part of this. Punishment for sins of the world you know.

They love disasters because they think it is evidence that the rapture is just around the corner. You know, just as jebus promised them 2000 years ago.

But on a related issue - what's the big deal re the IRS and the tea party? They ARE a radical group aren't they? I am sure the weather underground, the black panthers, and Louis Farrakhan were upset when they got audited too, don't you think?
Howhot
4.9 / 5 (8) May 17, 2013
R2 says
The republicans who won the House in 2010 were not 'liberals' and senators Paul and Cruz are not 'liberals'.
. Comparing "Republicans" and "Tea Party-ers" is like comparing fire-ants to red-crazy-ants, they are both ants that have a nasty bite, but crazy ants bite without cause. Both Paul and Cruz and tea-party in general are like the crazy ants, a very destructive bread.

deepsand
3.2 / 5 (12) May 17, 2013
Actually since religionists believe that their god will be destroying everything when he returns anyway (because it SAYS so in revelations), I suspect they would tend to regard AGW as a part of this. Punishment for sins of the world you know.

They love disasters because they think it is evidence that the rapture is just around the corner. You know, just as jebus promised them 2000 years ago.

While true of some, IMO they are outnumbered by those who believe that they will become the surviving immortal inhabitants of their god's kingdom on Earth following the end days.

But on a related issue - what's the big deal re the IRS and the tea party? They ARE a radical group aren't they? I am sure the weather underground, the black panthers, and Louis Farrakhan were upset when they got audited too, don't you think?

Indeed. Where was the Republican outrage when the IRS similarly targeted the NCAAP, when Dubbya used the IRS, the FBI, the CIA, etal. to target his "enemies?"
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.1 / 5 (7) May 18, 2013
kingdom on earth
Sorry the book SAYS the earth will be destroyed. Most all fundamentalists yearn for this.
deepsand
3.2 / 5 (12) May 18, 2013
The book says what the reader wants to find there. And, I know more than a few christers who look forward to their being rulers of the new kingdom of god on Earth.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2 / 5 (4) May 19, 2013
The book says what the reader wants to find there
You can ignore whatever you find in the bible, and many people choose to do that. You can also pretend that it says things that it doesnt. For instance, nowhere in the bible does it say that the earth will be preserved intact when god returns.

The earth will pass away. Rev 21:1-4, 1 John 2:15-17
The earth will be burned up. 2 Peter 3:10-13
God will shake and remove the heavens and the earth. Heb 12:26-29
The earth will be shaken, broken up, and split apart. Isaiah 24:17-23
The earth will perish like a worn out garment. Psalms 102:25-28, Hebrews 1:10-12
God will sweep everything away from the face of the earth. Zeph 1:1-3
The hills will melt. He will make an utter end of this place. Nahum 1:3-8
At the Messiah's coming, the mountains will melt. Psalms 97:1-6

Further, the correct attitude is clear.

We should not live for things on this earth - even those things closest to us. 1 Corinthians 7:29-31
TheGhostofOtto1923
2 / 5 (4) May 19, 2013
The earth will be destroyed to make way for the new. This is one of the few things which is very clear in the holy books. Jews, xians, moslems understand this and yearn for the destruction of all that IS.

In Religulous Maher makes a point of emphasizing the particular danger that this understanding poses
http://www.youtub...TVUulGwc

Your 'christer' friends should be aware that their blind acceptance of whatever they THINK is in their book, lends credence to the millions who KNOW what is in there, and are making efforts to see that it comes to pass, or are at least failing to take care of this world because of it.
deepsand
3 / 5 (11) May 20, 2013
I make no claims as to the veracity of what some christers believe, but only tell you what they do believe.

As for the book, the fact is that there is no single correct interpretation. More to the point, for each claim that one makes using it as a basis, a counterpoint using the same book can be made.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (7) May 20, 2013
R2 says
The republicans who won the House in 2010 were not 'liberals' and senators Paul and Cruz are not 'liberals'.
. Comparing "Republicans" and "Tea Party-ers" is like comparing fire-ants to red-crazy-ants, they are both ants that have a nasty bite, but crazy ants bite without cause. Both Paul and Cruz and tea-party in general are like the crazy ants, a very destructive bread.


The Republican party is attacking the conservatives just as viciously as the 'liberals' because they both support socialism.
Now we see how the socialist party attacks its enemies using the IRS and promotes its friends with the State Dept and ICE.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (7) May 20, 2013
Perhaps some Christians realize that they have a religious obligation to take proper care of the environment?

What does 'proper' care mean?
Preservation and conservation are not the same.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (5) May 20, 2013
What does 'proper' care mean?
Preservation and conservation are not the same.
What do you care? You believe

The earth will pass away. Rev 21:1-4, 1 John 2:15-17
The earth will be burned up. 2 Peter 3:10-13
God will shake and remove the heavens and the earth. Heb 12:26-29
The earth will be shaken, broken up, and split apart. Isaiah 24:17-23
The earth will perish like a worn out garment. Psalms 102:25-28, Hebrews 1:10-12
God will sweep everything away from the face of the earth. Zeph 1:1-3
The hills will melt. He will make an utter end of this place. Nahum 1:3-8
At the Messiah's coming, the mountains will melt. Psalms 97:1-6

-So according to you AGW is gods will. Right?
More to the point, for each claim that one makes using it as a basis, a counterpoint using the same book can be made
Really? Provide counterpoint for the above list. I dont think you know your friends as well as you think.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (8) May 20, 2013
Why do atheists like quoting the Bible?
deepsand
3.2 / 5 (11) May 20, 2013
Why do atheists like quoting the Bible?

Why do christers cherry-pick what they quote from the book?
deepsand
3.1 / 5 (11) May 20, 2013
More to the point, for each claim that one makes using it as a basis, a counterpoint using the same book can be made
Really? Provide counterpoint for the above list. I dont think you know your friends as well as you think.

You presume more than you know, both with regards to who my friends are and what I know of christers, of which there are more than one stripe.
Howhot
5 / 5 (7) May 20, 2013
The Republican party is attacking the conservatives just as viciously as the 'liberals' because they both support socialism.


Wow R2, you must really believe in the tyranny of the minority.

You sound a lot like the congressman from (R-OK) who so wisely volunteered his constituents to fend for themselves after Oklahoma City was hit by a mile-wide tornado. as Oklahoma Republicans say NO to disaster relief and ask for a smaller government.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (7) May 21, 2013
The Republican party is attacking the conservatives just as viciously as the 'liberals' because they both support socialism.


Wow R2, you must really believe in the tyranny of the minority.

You sound a lot like the congressman from (R-OK) who so wisely volunteered his constituents to fend for themselves after Oklahoma City was hit by a mile-wide tornado. as Oklahoma Republicans say NO to disaster relief and ask for a smaller government.

The people of OK, like those from AL two years ago, are quite capable of fending for themselves.
See how well federal aid has 'helped' those in NJ or New Orleans.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (7) May 21, 2013
Why do atheists like quoting the Bible?

Why do christers cherry-pick what they quote from the book?

Why do atheists?
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (7) May 21, 2013
Not to minimize what happened in OK, but what happened in AL weather wise is much more spectacular.
http://www.bhamwi...acks.png
But only the tornado that nipped U. AL was heavily reported.
If it bleeds, it leads.
If not for Doppler radar, these tornadoes wold not have been observed so well and there is no way to say how often such tornadoes occur without such observations.
deepsand
2.8 / 5 (9) May 21, 2013
Why do atheists like quoting the Bible?

Why do christers cherry-pick what they quote from the book?

Why do atheists?

Having a problem with logic again, I see.

Atheists/agnostics do not cherry-pick, but simply point out those portions of the book which contradict the christers' cherry-picked talking points.