Canada's Kyoto withdrawal under fire from China

Dec 13, 2011 by Michel Comte
A general view of the mountains at sunset in Vancouver, Canada. Canada's historic decision to withdraw from the Kyoto protocol has provoked heavy criticism from China, with Beijing saying the move went against international efforts to combat climate change.

Canada's historic decision to withdraw from the Kyoto protocol provoked heavy criticism from China on Tuesday, with Beijing saying the move went against international efforts to combat climate change.

Canada on Monday became the first country to declare it was formally exiting the pact, a reversal that will save it billions of dollars in fines, and poured scorn on the landmark treaty for hampering attempts to tackle pollution.

The decision reflected the reality of Canada's rising .

The Kyoto protocol, adopted in 1997, is the only that sets down targeted curbs in , but those curbs apply only to rich countries, excluding the United States, which refused to ratify the accord.

"We are invoking Canada's legal right to formally withdraw from Kyoto," Environment Minister Peter Kent said after returning home from a marathon UN climate conference in South Africa, at which nations agreed to a new roadmap for worldwide action.

"Kyoto is not the path forward for a global solution to climate change," Kent said. "If anything, it's an impediment.

"A new agreement with legally binding commitments for all major emitters that allows us as a country to continue to generate jobs and economic growth represents the path forward."

The world's top ten emitters of CO2 (2009). Canada's historic decision to withdraw from the Kyoto protocol has provoked heavy criticism from China, with Beijing saying the move went against international efforts to combat climate change.

But China, the world's largest carbon emitter, hit out at Canada, with foreign ministry spokesman Liu Weimin describing Ottawa's decision as being "against the efforts of the international community," and "regrettable."

"We hope Canada will face up to its responsibilities and obligations, honor its commitments and actively participate in relevant international cooperation against climate change," Liu told a regular media briefing in Beijing.

China has always insisted that as a it should be exempt from binding obligations on emissions.

Japan, meanwhile, said Canada's withdrawal was "disappointing," and noted that it was "indispensable that each country makes efforts" on .

"I hope Canada will address the issue in a forward-looking manner," Japan's Environment Minister Goshi Hosono told reporters.

Canada agreed under the to reduce CO2 emissions to 6.0 percent below 1990 levels by 2012, but its emissions of the gasses blamed for damaging Earth's fragile climate system have instead increased sharply.

Archive photo shows smog in China's Shanxi province in 2009. Canada's historic decision to withdraw from the Kyoto protocol has provoked heavy criticism from China, with Beijing saying the move went against international efforts to combat climate change.

Saying the targets agreed to by a previous Liberal administration were unattainable, Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper's government last year unveiled its own measures aimed at curbing emissions, in line with US efforts.

Pulling out of Kyoto now allows Canada to avoid paying penalties of up to CAN$14 billion (US$13.6 billion) for missing its targets.

Kent also cited major impacts on Canada's economy that will be avoided by withdrawing from the treaty.

"Under Kyoto, Canada is facing radical and irresponsible choices if we're to avoid punishing multi-billion-dollar payments," Kent said, noting that Canada produces barely two percent of global emissions.

"To meet the targets under Kyoto for 2012 would be the equivalent of either removing every car, truck, ATV, tractor, ambulance, police car, and vehicle of every kind from Canadian roads or closing down the entire farming and agricultural sector and cutting heat to every home, office, hospital, factory, and building in Canada."

For Kyoto supporters, the anticipated Canadian pullout was expected to be a symbolic blow and badly damage a UN climate process already weakened by divisions.

Last week at the UN in Durban, South Africa, Kent had already said that Kyoto was "in the past" for Canada.

The conference on Sunday approved a roadmap towards an accord that for the first time will bring all major greenhouse-gas emitters under a single legal roof.

Kent said that in the meantime, Canada would continue to try to reduce its emissions under a domestic plan that calls for a 20 percent cut from 2006 levels by 2020, or as critics point out, a mere three percent from 1990 levels.

The latest data last year showed that Canadian carbon emissions were currently up more than 35 percent from 1990.

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Nanobanano
3.7 / 5 (9) Dec 13, 2011
To meet the targets under Kyoto for 2012 would be the equivalent of either removing every car, truck, ATV, tractor, ambulance, police car, and vehicle of every kind from Canadian roads or closing down the entire farming and agricultural sector and cutting heat to every home, office, hospital, factory, and building in Canada


Don't think people quite understand the whole latitude thing.

Admittedly, Canada has less than average options for alternatives. I think for them, it's nuclear or nothing. Not much oportunity for widespread solar power so far north.

As if China has any room to talk though.

Last read/hear, it was calculated they were growing CO2 emissions by 5% to 10% per year! Most of this is from modernization. I figure it will take at least about another 15 to 30 years before China has full saturation of a modern standard of living. Their CO2 emissions will quadruple, maybe even quintuple by then...
GSwift7
2.3 / 5 (15) Dec 13, 2011
As if China has any room to talk though


If you change the emissions/country graph so that it is listed in order of emissions per square mile the US, China and Canada all fall completely off the list.
omatumr
2.3 / 5 (27) Dec 13, 2011
Congratulations to Canadian politicians who recognized the insanity of the AGW story.

With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
Former NASA Principal
investigator for Apollo
Oliver K. Manuel
www.omatumr.com/
rubberman
3 / 5 (8) Dec 13, 2011
Yeah sure....pick on the 40lb beaver in the room for crapping too much, meanwhile the 20 tonne dragon just keeps on eating...how's 2013 lookin' again there Nano?
Gustav
3.7 / 5 (12) Dec 13, 2011
The Chinese are clearly concerned that the Canadians will no longer waste tax-payers money on Chinese made solar panels and windmills. God forbid others would follow...
Gawad
3.7 / 5 (6) Dec 13, 2011
To meet the targets under Kyoto for 2012 would be the equivalent of [basically living like the Amish]


Canada has less than average options for alternatives. I think for them, it's nuclear or nothing. Not much oportunity for widespread solar power so far north.
Depends...we do have huge reserves of uranium and thorium, but hydro is a currently major source of power for the two provinces on the Canadian Shield: Ontario and Quebec, as well as in BC. Don't forget that most of the oil that comes out of the oil sands is slated for export to none other than the US.

As if China has any room to talk though.


Indeed! Neither the US or China have ever adhered to the Kyoto Protocole, so for China to bitch and moan is a little rich to say the least!
naqe
1.9 / 5 (17) Dec 13, 2011
Canada just took one step back and is taking a closer look at this AGW propaganda. The Politicians probably do not want to enter a one world leadership under the means of an AGW lie.
naqe
2.3 / 5 (16) Dec 13, 2011
I wonder who the people are that follow around omatumr to give him 1 star all the time... What a crappy job...
omatumr
1.5 / 5 (22) Dec 13, 2011
I wonder who the people are that follow around omatumr to give him 1 star all the time...


Those who thought AGW propaganda was a scientific fact now face the same fears, unemployment, homelessness, and economic uncertainty that plague society.

While arrogance and false pride prevent government scientists and politicians from serving society.

Constitutional government is now at stake, as President Eisenhower warned might happen in 1961:

http://noconsensu...nt-62436

http://judithcurr...t-149143

With deep regrets,
Oliver K. Manuel
www.omatumr.com/
http://myprofile....anuelo09


Pirouette
2.5 / 5 (18) Dec 13, 2011
The hypocrisy of the Chinese government regarding CO2 emissions is boundless. But that was already obvious. We did them a favor financially by allowing our American companies to move to China and offer jobs to their unemployed so that they could produce goods in China, and then ship the goods back to the U.S. so that China gets richer as we in the U.S. get poorer. What a bunch of ingrates. Just for that, let's annex Taiwan. :)
Davecoolman
2.5 / 5 (13) Dec 13, 2011
China says but does not do!
Maybe Canada should not sell them anymore Coal?
freethinking
2.3 / 5 (23) Dec 13, 2011
Interesting when the USA was more conservative than Canada, the USA was doing better, now that Canada is more conservative it is doing better.

Merry Christmas
Nanobanano
2.1 / 5 (11) Dec 13, 2011
Yeah sure....pick on the 40lb beaver in the room for crapping too much, meanwhile the 20 tonne dragon just keeps on eating...how's 2013 lookin' again there Nano?


This just in: Methane Bomb may have already started...

neven1.typepad.com/blog/2011/12/arctic-methane-russian-researchers-report.html

Based on the Keeling Curve, Solar Cycle, and the new Methane Bomb, I'd say 2013 is looking HOT.

Hopefully, Rossi's E-cat device will work, so we can eventually somehow pump all this stuff back out of the atmosphere.
Pirouette
1.1 / 5 (10) Dec 13, 2011
Yeah sure....pick on the 40lb beaver in the room for crapping too much, meanwhile the 20 tonne dragon just keeps on eating...how's 2013 lookin' again there Nano?

Hopefully, Rossi's E-cat device will work, so we can eventually somehow pump all this stuff back out of the atmosphere.

Heck. . .why not. . .it's worth a try. :)
Pirouette
1.8 / 5 (15) Dec 13, 2011
Interesting when the USA was more conservative than Canada, the USA was doing better, now that Canada is more conservative it is doing better.

Merry Christmas

Yeah. . .but Canada doesn't have Comrade Obomber
Decimatus
3.6 / 5 (12) Dec 13, 2011
China refuses to join the Kyoto treaty for it's own selfish reasons but criticizes tiny Canada for backing out?
Howhot
2.6 / 5 (17) Dec 13, 2011
The problem is all of deniers of Anthropogenic Global Warming is they just don't have a clue as to how dangerous this is. We are talking extinction event level of damage in under 100years. In another article, scientist estimated that 3/4 fish populations could be gone in 150 years!

You can do something about it! OWS the evil bastards that support CO2 emissions. OWS the evil bastards that support over fishing the oceans. OWS the evil bastards.
Howhot
2.9 / 5 (17) Dec 13, 2011
The bottom line is that denying AGW is just plain stupid ignorance, and the stupid idiots that tell you CO2 from man made sources is not the cause of global warming, well OWS those f*ck heads too. Should you let the world commit environmental suicide just to fatten the wallets of few wealth right wing pricks? So your kids and grand kids barely live.
astro_optics
2.2 / 5 (10) Dec 14, 2011
Well if China is complaining about Canada's increased CO2 output since the 80s, them might consider taking back the Chinese immigrants, this should bring Canada well on the target!
Howhot
2.5 / 5 (15) Dec 14, 2011
China gets it. Russia gets it too. They get the message from the USA that economics of industry overrides everything. Damn the world in 50years, as long as I get mine now.

Its the Rightwing attitude to everything.

bluehigh
2.2 / 5 (10) Dec 14, 2011
Just for that, let's annex Taiwan
- Pirouette

What a good idea! One benefit might be a reduction in emissions from China as you wipe out a few of the their large cities but what use could you put to the radioactive dust pile remnants that is now called Taiwan? Ship the crap to Canada for storage?

bluehigh
1.5 / 5 (44) Dec 14, 2011
as long as I get mine now
- Howhot

Yep and if lazy commies like you try to take my comfy life style or my stuff then its time to cull out unemployable intellectually diminished losers like yourself.
FrankHerbert
2.9 / 5 (104) Dec 14, 2011
Oh so now we are calling for "culling" people bluehigh?

You'd sure fit in with Uncle Joe Stalin. Sure you aren't a closet communist?
bluehigh
1.3 / 5 (42) Dec 14, 2011
Card carrying member of the Socialist Workers Party actually and keep my copy of 'The Ragged Trousered Philanthropist' with me at all times.

Vendicar_Decarian
1 / 5 (47) Dec 14, 2011
The simple fact of the matter is that Canada has had a very long time to put policies in place that would have reduced it's CO2 emissions, and chose instead to do nothing.

To some extent Canada is a hostage to brain dead American politics, but it still had ample time and the means for action.

There are a wide variety of steps that can be taken to reduce CO2 emissions. Canada could have adopted mandatory minimum requirements for new home insulation, to reduce the amount of fuel used for home heating. Required new home construction to be such that homes are optimally oriented and spaced for solar heating. Required that all new business construction have similar requirements. Require commercial buildings be built with multiple waste paths to aid recycling. Require the color coding of plastics entering the marketplace to facilitate recycling of plastic. Require the utilization of appropriate paper's and glues to facilitate recycling. Require the design of community complexes cont.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.9 / 5 (46) Dec 14, 2011
complexes that provide centralized parking that negates the "requirement" for roads and driveways paved to the home.

Established import restrictions on products that are not sufficiently efficient. Promoted the development of local markets and businesses integrated in the community rather than permitting the development of huge box stores located far away from the communities that service them. Foster the development of delivery services for large purchases in order to reduce the reliance on automobiles.

As a country with a self sustaining Nuclear program, Canada could also have increased it's generation of nuclear power and retired some of it's coal powered generating plants. It could have been more aggressive in fostering passive solar heating systems, etc. etc. etc.

Finally... It should be noted that ALL of these programs would have left Canadians with lower overall living costs and higher overall living standards.

Meeting Kyoto targets however, mean giving up cont.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.9 / 5 (46) Dec 14, 2011
up oil production from the Alberta Oil Sands.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.8 / 5 (44) Dec 14, 2011
China is a member of the Kyoto protocol, you Dimwit.

"China refuses to join the Kyoto treaty for it's own selfish reasons" - Decim
Vendicar_Decarian
1 / 5 (47) Dec 14, 2011
"Canada doesn't have Comrade Obomber" - Spirochete

Obama would do very well in Canada.

George Bush on the other hand would probably have been thrown out of office before his first week was over.

Vendicar_Decarian
1.1 / 5 (48) Dec 14, 2011
Canada has always been more Liberal than the U.S. and remains so.

As usual, the FreeTard just jabbers nonsense.

"Interesting when the USA was more conservative than Canada, the USA was doing better, now that Canada is more conservative it is doing better." - FreeTard

The principle reasons why the Canadian Economy is doing better than the U.S. economy is...

1: The Canadian Economy is resource based, and Canadians can
sell their resources to China.

2: The Canadian Banking industry was well regulated compared to the U.S. or the U.K. As a result of the U.S. banking crash, Canadian banks have been able to purchase American assets at fire sale prices.

3: Alberta Oil. Peak Oil was reached somewhere around 2005 to 2007 and Canada has very large tar sands reserves.

4: Even though they were strongly opposed by Borrow and Spend Conservatives. Canadian Liberals had the guts to increase taxes, produce a budget surplus and us it to pay down the huge Canadian debt created by Cont.
Vendicar_Decarian
1 / 5 (48) Dec 14, 2011
created by the Conservative Borrow and Spend of Brian Mulroney.

Mulroney's Conservative party was routed just after the Corrupt Moron left office and fled to the U.S.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.9 / 5 (47) Dec 14, 2011
"The hypocrisy of the Chinese government regarding CO2 emissions is boundless." - Spirochete

On the contrary. Your ignorance is boundless.

On a per person basis, China emits far less CO2 than either Canada or the U.S.

Perhaps you hold the opinion that a country of 100,000 people should be permitted to emit as much CO2 as a country of 350 million.

Or conversely a country of 350 million be permitted to emit as much Co2 as a nation of 30 million (Canada).

If so Spirochete, then it is you who are the hypocrite for refusing to cut your emissions.

bluehigh
1.3 / 5 (12) Dec 14, 2011
... (they) looked blankly at each other, but the rest of the crowd only laughed; and then (they) began to abuse the kind-hearted capitalist, demanding that he should give them some of the necessaries of life that he had piled up in his warehouses, or to be allowed to work and produce some more for their own needs; and even threatened to take some of the things by force if he did not comply with their demands. But the kind-hearted capitalist told them not to be insolent, and spoke to them about honesty, and said if they were not careful he would have their faces battered in for them by the police, or if necessary he would call out the military and have them shot down like dogs ...

The Great Money Trick .. edited extract.
ryggesogn2
1.8 / 5 (15) Dec 14, 2011
Who was stopping them from working?
Why wouldn't a capitalist sell?
Why would the police (govtt) use force to attack anyone at the behest of another?
What 'capitalist'? Sounds more like a statist tyrant.
Sounds like the dear leader of North Korea or any other socialist 'paradise'.
bluehigh
1.8 / 5 (14) Dec 14, 2011
FrankH, I unfortunately must live in a society that demands for the sake of my family and well being that I betray my principles. Yes, that is indeed an indictment on my character but I have stood up at times and made my voice count in the real world as best I can and more than you know. For you to join a chorus of PM insults and death threats is obscene and disgusting. Exactly what is that you do to effect change aside from spouting your negative nonsense here? I will retain a sense of humour this time around but don't upset me. Keep up being a bitch and yes, I will find a way to cull fools like you out of the human race too. In the meanwhile, do try to appreciate that my sickness (your word) is in happily providing 'over the top' positions to illustrate zealotry.

bluehigh
1.7 / 5 (12) Dec 14, 2011
ryggesogn2>

read a full extract here ..
http://prahalatha...ick.html

Its a chapter from the book 'The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists' by Robert Tressell
FrankHerbert
2.8 / 5 (105) Dec 14, 2011
For you to join a chorus of PM insults and death threats is obscene and disgusting. Exactly what is that you do to effect change aside from spouting your negative nonsense here?


You are the one who threatened MY life for my politics. You do so out in the open. You called for a "culling" of people who disagree with you.

I, rightly so, called you a "sick piece of shit" over PM. This is the first and only PM I have sent you.

So explain to me exactly how I threatened your life and how you didn't threaten mine?

So basically you are making up other people threatening your life as an excuse to threaten other peoples lives. Nice. Classy. Say hi to Uncle Joe for me.

FrankH, I unfortunately must live in a society that demands for the sake of my family and well being that I betray my principles.

Nah you didn't have any to begin with you sick piece of shit.

Also fuck your family :)

Bluehigh really should be banned for terrorist threats.

Io, Saturnalia!
omatumr
1.5 / 5 (17) Dec 14, 2011
Tonight there are reports of some last ditch efforts to save the crooks, but it won't work:

http://noconsensu...nt-62756

Today NASA has belatedly started asking questions, . . .

Giving $1.4 M to Washington University to confirm or deny reports that silicon carbide (SiC) grains in the Murchison meteorite are "fall-out" particles from the supernova explosion that made our elements.

That question was answered 15 years ago by Kuroda and Myers using data from Washington University, but NASA, the US NAS, the UK's RS, and the UN's IPCC apparently didn't want anyone to know that Earth's heat source - the Sun - is not stable as they claimed, but the violently unstable remains of a supernova that gave birth to the Solar Syatem five billion (5 Gyr) ago.

Here's the rest of the story with links to data and observations:

http://dl.dropbox...asks.pdf
Pirouette
1 / 5 (9) Dec 14, 2011
Vendicar says:
"Canada doesn't have Comrade Obomber" - Spirochete

Obama would do very well in Canada.

George Bush on the other hand would probably have been thrown out of office before his first week was over.



LOL. . . .take Comrade Obomber, please. . .too late to take Bush though.
Now let's see, if Obomber was Prime Minister of Canada . .what would he do? Hmmm.. . .over 1500 rounds of golf; vacationing to expensive places like Martha's Vineyard, a private beach in Hawaii; meeting with the royalty of Europe and Gr. Britain, at taxpayer expense for secret service and Air Force One costs; not tending to the country's business and instead campaigning all over the place; forcing bailouts of failing banks, brokerages on Wall Street, "investing" taxpayer money in "green" solar companies who are failing and knowing about it and still giving the money anyway; refusing drilling for oil offshore on U.S. territory but investing in Brazil's drilling for oil: etc.,etc.,etc.
Pirouette
1 / 5 (10) Dec 14, 2011
Oh yes. . . .Obomber would have done well in Canada. . . .take him to Canada before he destroys the U.S. if he gets reelected. Why, he might even introduce you to Lady GaGa, , ,LOL
Pirouette
1.4 / 5 (10) Dec 14, 2011
bluehigh says:
FrankH, I unfortunately must live in a society that demands for the sake of my family and well being that I betray my principles. Yes, that is indeed an indictment on my character but I have stood up at times and made my voice count in the real world as best I can and more than you know. For you to join a chorus of PM insults and death threats is obscene and disgusting. Exactly what is that you do to effect change aside from spouting your negative nonsense here? I will retain a sense of humour this time around but don't upset me. Keep up being a bitch and yes, I will find a way to cull fools like you out of the human race too. In the meanwhile, do try to appreciate that my sickness (your word) is in happily providing 'over the top' positions to illustrate zealotry.


OMG. . .he has sent me 33 PMs also, none of which I have opened since I don't wish to read nothing but insults, threats and lies as you have experienced also. There must be a way to prevent this abuse
Pirouette
1.5 / 5 (11) Dec 14, 2011
Just for that, let's annex Taiwan
- Pirouette

bluehigh says:
What a good idea! One benefit might be a reduction in emissions from China as you wipe out a few of the their large cities but what use could you put to the radioactive dust pile remnants that is now called Taiwan? Ship the crap to Canada for storage?


LOL. . .why not? The radioactive stuff can be buried in the Canadian oil sand fields after they have already removed the oil and sold it to China and Japan. It's a big country. A few million barrels of spent fuel rods can go in there too. The Canadians are very accommodating, they took our VietNam wartime conscientious objectors off our hands. But those draft dodgers keep coming back across the border to see American doctors. Can't understand why.
Pirouette
1.1 / 5 (10) Dec 14, 2011
Hey wait a minute. . .we can take over Taiwan and declare it the 51st state. Since Obomber has spoken about 57 states, Taiwan would be within that limit. Yes, that would be a lot better than nuking Taiwan and paying for expensive shipping of nuclear rubble to Canada.
:)
Pirouette
1 / 5 (9) Dec 14, 2011
After all. . .Liberals always talk about the American "empire". . .so let's prove them right.
Pirouette
1.3 / 5 (12) Dec 14, 2011
FH says:
"Bluehigh really should be banned for terrorist threats.

Io, Saturnalia!"

To one and all. . .I can personally vouch for bluehigh being a Card carrying member of the Socialist Workers Party who keeps his copy of 'The Ragged Trousered Philanthropist' with him at all times.
bluehigh is known as a terrorist in his posh neighborhood for keeping a can of Raid in his garage which he sprays a little too often on all the ant hills he finds. The neighbors all run and hide in terror when he pulls out that can and has that certain gleam in his eye. Many ants have moved away, followed by cockroaches, lice and spiders and have joined the OWS fleabaggers in protest against bluehigh and his minions. He was offered a job by a Canadian research lab to test the DNA of cockroaches as compared to VietNam wartime conscientious objectors who were thought to be related to each other somehow, but he kept spraying both test samples with Raid, so he was fired.
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (13) Dec 14, 2011
ryggesogn2>

read a full extract here ..
http://prahalatha...ick.html

Its a chapter from the book 'The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists' by Robert Tressell

Why? The excerpt you provided was biased BS.
"While other manufacturers were content to target a market of the well-to-do, Ford developed a design and a method of manufacture that steadily reduced the cost of the Model T. Instead of pocketing the profits; Ford lowered the price of his car. As a result, Ford Motors sold more cars and steadily increased its earnings - transforming the automobile from a luxury toy to a mainstay of American society."
"In 1914 Ford stunned the nation by raising the minimum wage of his workers from $2.83 for a 9-hour day to $5.00 for an 8-hour day."
http://www.eyewit...ford.htm
Howhot
3 / 5 (7) Dec 14, 2011
VanD; Sorry to hear that your conservatives are as bad as ours. I think ours are worst, but some in Europe are even worst than ours from my research. I would hate to see R2 meet up with a conservative communist Chinese representative. His socialist head might explode.

Anyway, it sucks Canada decided to bail out of Kyoto just as they owed a cool 13 billion to nations that reduced their CO2 levels by 13 billion equivalent dollars. This is what politics is all about; the party of JERKS vs the Cool people.

So be it in this American "empire".


The poster to this thread know what side they are on.
Howhot
3.3 / 5 (7) Dec 14, 2011
You know R2, there is a going to be a big difference between 1914 and 2114. Somehow in 200 years, mans respect for the environment will have disappeared and turned towards disdain for it. That is what I see this set back to Kyoto as being. A disdain for the world. Disdain for humanity.
barakn
4.7 / 5 (3) Dec 14, 2011
Piroutte, I must apologize. There does not appear to be a system for reporting abusive PMs. I had assumed there would be as it would be insane for the site admins to leave such a thing out. Apparently they are insane.
MarkyMark
2.7 / 5 (3) Dec 15, 2011
After all. . .Liberals always talk about the American "empire". . .so let's prove them right.

Naa dont need gullable tards like you and other Commies to do that. But thanks all the same for the offer.
omatumr
1 / 5 (6) Dec 15, 2011
Today Big Brother is scared, dangerous, out of control - like a "Delinquent Teenager"

www.amazon.com/De...p;sr=1-1

1. Today Big Brother is Scared:

http://joannenova...idation/

http://judithcurr...t-150279

http://judithcurr...t-149143

http://noconsensu...nt-62436

2. Dangerous; May seize police control:

http://www.infowa...itizens/

3. Out of control, like a "Delinquent Teenager"

4. But "Fear not, the Universe is in good hands!"

http://dl.dropbox..._Not.pdf

Oliver K. Manuel
Pirouette
1.4 / 5 (9) Dec 15, 2011
barakn says:
Piroutte, I must apologize. There does not appear to be a system for reporting abusive PMs. I had assumed there would be as it would be insane for the site admins to leave such a thing out. Apparently they are insane.

Naw. . .Physorg admins are not insane. They apparently forgot to include that important feature. But there's always the option of copy and paste of the offending PMs and send them to admin through regular email to the proper staff. That way, staff can investigate by reading the offending PMs in the email(s), comparing the user name(s) of the PM sender, count how many were sent to the PM recipient, and then take the proper measures and actions to prevent that form of abuse. I consider the sending of abusive PMs as psychotic behavior and I will not even bother to read those 33 PMs from FrankHerbert and 6 more from his aliases. I do hope that admin will provide a way for deleting all unwanted PMs ASAP.
Pirouette
2 / 5 (8) Dec 15, 2011
ryggesogn2>

read a full extract here ..
http://prahalatha...ick.html


Well actually, Ford was a very shrewd inventor and understood money and where it comes from.
He understood that there are only a limited amount of rich people in the world, but the majority of mankind are the working poor and the working middle class. He also knew that to get the best production from his employees, he would have to give them a decent living wage and good working conditions. His workers were loyal and did give the best work performance and he rewarded them for it each year. Ford understood that disgruntled or financially impoverished workers were not an asset to his company, so he practiced good Capitalism for his employees and everyone was rewarded with a good income and a successful corporation in which to be employed. One hand washes the other, and there was no corruption in that kind of Capitalist venture.
Pirouette
1.1 / 5 (8) Dec 15, 2011
After all. . .Liberals always talk about the American "empire". . .so let's prove them right.

MarkyMark says:
Naa dont need gullable tards like you and other Commies to do that. But thanks all the same for the offer.


Mark. . .I gave you a ONE for saying stupid things. Didn't you figure it out yet that I was only joking with blue about annexing and making Taiwan the 51st state to prove the Liberals are right about America's empire? I suggest you read again my original comment as well as blue's response. . .maybe you will be able to comprehend what we said. Read it slowly and try to absorb what it all means instead of accusing me and others of being "Commies" with no evidence for your accusations.
FrankHerbert
2.9 / 5 (98) Dec 15, 2011
Bluehigh is threatening the "culling" of his political detractors. Would that not, according to you, be labeled as communist behavior?

If you defend him I guess that makes you a communist by association. Watch out, you might end up on Marjon's list.
Pirouette
1.9 / 5 (9) Dec 15, 2011
@bluehigh. . . .thanks for that excerpt. . .it was a great example of why the working poor stay poor because many of them prefer to spend ALL of their money (wages) instead of SAVING at least a little of it from week to week and paycheck to paycheck. Then when they go back to work, they're disgruntled and unhappy because they blew their wages and had nothing left and had to go hungry for their necessaries (necessities). True Capitalism works BOTH ways to benefit both the employer AND the worker. The employer (Capitalist) provides the capital to start his business. . .but he understands that the wages he pays to his workers are theirs to do with as they wish. That money BELONGS to the workers because they EARNED IT. The employer has no say in what the worker does with his own money. But the worker, instead of being wise, SPENDS it all on what he considers necessary, and then gets jealous and resentful because the employer has money AND his own "necessaries". The truth is that the worker
Pirouette
1.6 / 5 (10) Dec 15, 2011
ALSO can be a Capitalist by SAVING his money and investing some it, maybe even invest into his employer's company. I recall that an airline company offered to let its employees INVEST in their employers' company. And, as investors, they worked even harder to be successful and get a good return on their investments. I don't know if any of the workers became rich, but they considered themselves part owners of that airline company. I can't remember the name of the airline, though. Maybe JetBlue?

http://prahalatha...ick.html
Pirouette
1.1 / 5 (8) Dec 15, 2011
Bluehigh is threatening the "culling" of his political detractors. Would that not, according to you, be labeled as communist behavior?

If you defend him I guess that makes you a communist by association. Watch out, you might end up on Marjon's list.


LOL. . .ROFLOL. . . .lmao
FrankHerbert
2.9 / 5 (98) Dec 15, 2011
At this point I have to assume Pirouette supports the "culling" of his political detractors.

You make Uncle Joe Stalin proud Pirouette. Keep the fight alive!
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (13) Dec 15, 2011
You know R2, there is a going to be a big difference between 1914 and 2114. Somehow in 200 years, mans respect for the environment will have disappeared and turned towards disdain for it. That is what I see this set back to Kyoto as being. A disdain for the world. Disdain for humanity.

Why? When people own their property they take care of it.
Socialst states have the worst pollution.
Pirouette
1.4 / 5 (11) Dec 15, 2011
At this point I have to assume Pirouette supports the "culling" of his political detractors.

You make Uncle Joe Stalin proud Pirouette. Keep the fight alive!


woohooo. . .LOL. . . ..ROFLOL. . . .lmao
Callippo
1.9 / 5 (7) Dec 15, 2011
China is just naively trying to cover its role of worst environmental polluter. I don't think, the carbon emissions are the main source of global warming (I do believe in geothermal origin of it), but the aerosol induced droughts are undeniably the main source of global droughts.

http://www.nasa.g..._500.jpg

Of course, Canada is potential exporter of oil, so it refuses the Kyoto, whereas Japanese import nearly all their oil, so that this treaty was signed just in Japan. It just indicates, the actual fight against global warming is secondary, the business interests are more important here. I'm mild supporter of Kyoto not because of global warming, but because it could accelerate switch to the less demanding and irrecoverable energy sources, the cold fusion in particular. When price of oil will raise too much, most of dictatorship regimes will get enough money for construction of nuclear weapons.
Pirouette
1.4 / 5 (9) Dec 15, 2011
@rygg2. . . .that's true. . .the ownership of personal property and real estate most often engenders pride of ownership and a willingness to make the effort to keep one's property clean and presentable to others. It's not often that that doesn't happen, but when it does, it's most often caused by a lack of interest and pride in ownership, self-destructive influences, and possible mental issues, amongst many other things. But there are many who own very little, and may decide that they don't want anyone else to be better off than they are. So, they are the people who are most likely to spill gasoline, crankcase oil, and NEVER bother to recycle anything that should be recycled. For them, such things are too much trouble to go through and they might even laugh at others who do recycle and not pollute the environment. There's not much can be done about them, except a citation if they're caught. But most people are conscienteous (sp) for a clean environment, as you and I are.
Pirouette
1.3 / 5 (9) Dec 15, 2011
@Callippo. . . .comes the time when energy from Cold Fusion is a reality, EVERYONE will hear of it and they will ALL be clamoring to acquire that kind of technology. Let's hope it happens, but until it does, I don't think anyone will hold their breath waiting. Although it IS a good filler for any of your comments. :)
Vendicar_Decarian
0.8 / 5 (41) Dec 15, 2011
"over 1500 rounds of golf; vacationing to expensive places like Martha's Vineyard, a private beach in Hawaii; meeting with the royalty of Europe and Gr. Britain...." - Spirochete

Sad isn't it that the Republicans who control congress refuse to bring to a vote any of Obama's proposals. You know.. Things like Obama's Jobs program.

But that is what you get when you vote Republican Traitors into high office.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.8 / 5 (41) Dec 15, 2011
"When people own their property they take care of it." - RyggTard

Hmmm.... Some company comes to me and offers to pay me 1 trazillion dollars in order to store high level nuclear waste on my property.

I accept, collect the 1 trillion and then die in grand splendor, leaving no one responsible for the maintenance.

Who is left to clean up the mess Tard Boy?
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (13) Dec 15, 2011
High level nuclear waste is already stored on private property and is taken care of.
Socialists like VD can't comprehend the idea that the prime function of the govt is to protect property rights.
In VDs socialist world, the govt controls corporations and if he sold his property for nuclear waste storage, the govt would have approved of it and not cared too much about pollution. That's what happened at Rocky Flats, CO.
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (12) Dec 15, 2011
Chemical wastes were stored on private property, at the time, called Love Canal.
Eventually, the company was forced by the city school board to sell the property for houses and schools, in spite of protests by Hooker Chemical.
Property tax revenue was more important for the city of Niagra than the safety of their children.
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (12) Dec 16, 2011
"High quality global journalism requires investment. Please share this article with others using the link below, do not cut & paste the article. See our Ts&Cs and Copyright Policy for more detail. Email ftsales.support@ft.com to buy additional rights. http://www.ft.com...gfeANaeQ

The managing director of the International Monetary Fund has warned that the global economy faces the prospect of economic retraction, rising protectionism, isolation and . . . what happened in the 30s [Depression], as European tensions again flared over suggestions in Paris that the UKs credit rating should be downgraded before Frances."
Someone else suggested the same somewhere on these boards recently.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.8 / 5 (41) Dec 16, 2011
"High level nuclear waste is already stored on private property and is taken care of." - RyggTard

You mean the public proprety of the share holders that own the utilities that are holding nuclear wast in their holding ponds?

Can you explain to us Tard Boy, how you deem that group ownership to be private rather than public?

Tard Boy.... Can you name a single individual in the U.S. who is storing high level nuclear waste on his property?
Vendicar_Decarian
0.7 / 5 (41) Dec 16, 2011
Sorry Tard Boy, but that is only one function of government.

"Socialists like VD can't comprehend the idea that the prime function of the govt is to protect property rights." - RyggTard

But even if you were right, the Law would necessarily be forced to prevent Libertarian Tards like yourself from storing high level nuclear waste on their property to ensure the protection not only of other property owners, but everyone else who shares the environmental commons.

Or is the air people breathe and water they drink in your Quack Tard Libertopia owned by corporations as well?

The function of government is to uphold the law, and the law extends far beyond property rights, my little Libertarian Tardie.
Vendicar_Decarian
0.8 / 5 (42) Dec 16, 2011
How Ironic it is that the Libertarian Retard chose to steal the copyrighted words of another contrary to their explicit instruction - which he quotes below - in his "logical" arguement for respecting property rights.

Worthless Libertarian Hypocrite.

"Please share this article with others using the link below, do not cut & paste the article." - RyggTard quotes the owner of the article's copyright.

ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (9) Dec 16, 2011
"The NRC and the nuclear industry often boast that nuclear power plants are the most heavily protected parts of privately-owned infrastructure in the United States. "
http://www.ucsusa...ant.html

Note, 'privately owned'.
And this is from your fellow socialists, the Union of Concerned Scientists.
Pirouette
1 / 5 (6) Dec 17, 2011
"over 1500 rounds of golf; vacationing to expensive places like Martha's Vineyard, a private beach in Hawaii; meeting with the royalty of Europe and Gr. Britain...." - Spirochete

VendiNutcase says:
Sad isn't it that the Republicans who control congress refuse to bring to a vote any of Obama's proposals. You know.. Things like Obama's Jobs program.

But that is what you get when you vote Republican Traitors into high office.

THIS shows how little Vendinutcase knows about American politics:
1) Congress is made up of 2 parts, House of Representatives and the Senate.
2) In the 2010 congressional elections, the Conservatives, some Democrats, Independents and Republican voters voted many Democrats out of the HOUSE and voted Republicans IN to replace the Liberal/Socialist Democrats. But the Democrats in the SENATE are still in the majority and control it. Likewise, the Democrat in the White House, Obummer, is President and controls the Executive branch.
Pirouette
1.2 / 5 (6) Dec 17, 2011
3) Obummer is the one with power to sign bills into Law, or veto it if he doesn't agree or like it once the bill gets approved in the House AND the Senate.
4) The House votes on a bill first; if not approved, the bill dies, but can be resubmitted at a later time; if the bill is approved, it goes to the Senate for a vote whether or not to approve it.
5) From the Senate, an approved bill gets sent to the President, who either signs it or vetoes it.
6) If the President vetoes the bill, it goes back to Congress who then decide if any changes should be made to the bill. If no changes are made and both House and Senate wish for the bill to become Law, they have other options on how to make it a Law.
FrankHerbert
2.9 / 5 (97) Dec 17, 2011
The House of Representatives has exclusive control of the budget. The Republicans control the House. The Republicans must approve EVERY dollar that is spent :)
4) The House votes on a bill first

Totally ignorant. The House or the Senate may propose legislation that is within their respective purview.

5 doesn't follow if 4 is wrong.

6) If the President vetoes the bill, it goes back to Congress who then decide if any changes should be made to the bill. If no changes are made and both House and Senate wish for the bill to become Law, they have other options on how to make it a Law.

They actually have a chance to override the SAME bill the president veteoed. They may not change it. They must get 2/3rds in both houses to override a presidential veto. If they change anything the president gets a chance to veto it again.

Why do you pontificate on things you are so ignorant of?

Oh wait I know...

http://en.wikiped...r_effect
Pirouette
1.4 / 5 (10) Dec 17, 2011
7) Obummer's JOBS BILL is a fallacy to get people to reelect him. He cannot provide jobs in the private sector.
ONLY the private sector can provide the jobs to American workers IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, (IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO SO. OR IT IS NECESSARY TO KEEP THE COMPANY RUNNING).
THE ONLY JOBS OBUMMER CAN PROVIDE ARE GOVERNMENT JOBS, SUCH AS THOSE IN HIS ADMINISTRATION AND PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. That's from the street sweepers all the way up to the Attorney General and other NON-ELECTED OFFICIALS, AT TAXPAYERS' EXPENSE.
Pirouette
1 / 5 (8) Dec 17, 2011
8) Obummer and his Democrats in the Senate and his non-elected officials are RESPONSIBLE for the deterioration of conditions in the U.S. It is THEY who have caused American businesses to close shop in the U.S. and go overseas, due to crushing new government rules, regulations, taxes and government's 'hand-in-glove" relationship with Socialist/Communist LABOR UNIONS. In this way, there is high unemployment and, when people are unemployed, they are more likely to blame it on the businesses for their loss of a job.
ENTER Obummer, with his promise of creation of more jobs. BUT. those who use logic and common sense NOTICE that Obummer hasn't made ANY jobs in the private sector at all. and it is the PRIVATE sector that employs the majority of Americans.
FrankHerbert
2.9 / 5 (100) Dec 17, 2011
7) Obummer's JOBS BILL is a fallacy to get people to reelect him. He cannot provide jobs in the private sector.


Did you start using the word "fallacy" because other people started using it against you so much? A sane, thoughtful person, instead of internalizing the word as an insult and assimilating the word in a meaningless fashion, would you know, actually look it up and maybe try to find out why people were accusing him of such.

That person is obviously not you.

Also your last post is insane talking points with no basis in reality. The US government is the worlds largest employer. It CERTAINLY creates jobs you fucking moron.

Did you not consider your military job (which you most certainly still suck money out of the treasury from) as a private sector job? Why is a private sector job good enough for you but not anyone else?
Pirouette
1 / 5 (7) Dec 17, 2011
People are starting to NOTICE that Obummer's promises are not coming true. He searches for ways to blame it all on Republicans, Conservatives, Independents and the TEA Party, and he champions dirtbags like the OWSbowel movement who are blaming the rich for their ills, except for the Liberal rich who are exempt because they adore Obummer.
Now watch VendiNut and his lapdogs unleash another tirade against the rich, the Republicans, and Americans in general.. . . :)
FrankHerbert
2.9 / 5 (99) Dec 17, 2011
Please take a remedial class on American government, Pirouette. You are astoundingly ignorant.

Also please stop following me around to every topic I post in. Your insane stalking, account puppetry, and massive 1 voting campaigns are really bringing the discourse down here.

Keep it up and you will be banned.
Pirouette
1 / 5 (8) Dec 17, 2011
* REPORT ABUSE for FrankHerfart for having a brainfart again in this and other threads so he can continue to lie about good Americans.
For some strange reason, FrankHerbfart still believes that the U.S. government is the world's biggest employer (another common fallacy).
AND . . . lol. . .he ASSUMES that I am paid a pension by the military, something I have NEVER said and which he continues to lie about.
FrankHerbfart should be banned from Physorg for being a psycho terrorist and a teller of tall stories.
Pirouette
1.2 / 5 (11) Dec 17, 2011
Damn. . . .FrankHerbfart had ANOTHER brainfart in another post above this one. . . .I had already SAID that the U.S. government and Obummer provides jobs ONLY for infrastructure (the Military and from the street sweepers all the way up to non-elected government officials.
But for some reason, he must have either skipped over that OR he has trouble in READING COMPREHENSION SKILLS and chooses AGAIN to misquote me. . .which is something he ALWAYS does in every thread I go into.
Pirouline
1.4 / 5 (10) Dec 17, 2011
FrankHerbfart ALSO will not admit my pioneering work on semitransparent mars creatures. HE ALWAYS MISQUOTES ME and say they are TRANSPARENT NOT SEMITRANSPARENT!!..
What does he ALWAYS MISQUOTRE ME???..
FrankHerbfart needs to LEARN TO READ.
AND I NEVER SAID I HAD A MILITARY PENSION. I WAS A SOLDIER BUT NEVER SAID THAT. DUHHH WHAT A LIAR.
IF I DIDN'T SAY IT AND HE SAYS I DID THAT'S A LIE EVEN IF IT'S TRUE!!!
STOP LYING HERBARTFART$HIT!
Pirouette
1.3 / 5 (10) Dec 17, 2011


Also please stop following me around to every topic I post in. Your insane stalking, account puppetry, and massive 1 voting campaigns are really bringing the discourse down here.

Keep it up and you will be banned.


Other members have declared FrankHerbfart insane, and now I truly believe it also with this latest gem. I have accused him of stalking, which he does often. . .not just me but several others. That fool just is dying for attention and hates to have anybody who tells the truth do any commenting in these threads. When he's done lying about ME and others, he will go after everybody else. I have only ONE user name, but FrankHerbfart has about 10 other user names. He thinks he can BULLY me into not commenting anymore. He is most certainly wrong about that.
Pirouette
1.1 / 5 (8) Dec 17, 2011
Ahhhh .there's ANOTHER of FrankHerbertfart's user names that he uses to assault members.
PIROULINE. . . . .ROFLOL
He loves to take members' user names and change them a little bit to confuse people.
NOTICE THAT FRANKHERBFART IS PIROULINE, while I am Pirouette.
FrankHerbert
2.9 / 5 (97) Dec 17, 2011
You're silly.

Piroulines are tasty artisan cookies!

http://www.pirouline.com/

Yum!
Pirouette
1.1 / 5 (10) Dec 17, 2011
LOL. . .this is fun . . .but I do wish that Vendicar wasn't such an uninformed hater. . .he is obviously knowledgeable in other areas, but not about American politics. I and other Conservatives seem to rankle Vendicar for some reason. . .I don't really know why. If he is so upset over air pollution from the U.S., he should also be upset over Canada's use of fossil fuels. The only reason why Canada doesn't pollute as badly is that Canada has less of a population. Vendicar doesn't seem to be taking that into account. The U.S. has over 300,000 people here. That counts as a lot of emissions. BUT we are trying to cut down and it takes time.
kaasinees
1 / 5 (3) Dec 17, 2011
You're silly.

Piroulines are tasty artisan cookies!

http://www.pirouline.com/

Yum!


waters my mouth...
Noumenon
3.5 / 5 (72) Dec 17, 2011
Please take a remedial class on American government, Pirouette. You are astoundingly ignorant.

Also please stop following me around to every topic I post in. Your insane stalking, account puppetry, and massive 1 voting campaigns are really bringing the discourse down here.

Keep it up and you will be banned.


Frank, you're the king of arbitrary 1 ratings and multiple screen names. I see that you're dishonest also.
Pirouette
1.5 / 5 (11) Dec 17, 2011
Never tried them. . . .probably fattening as all hell. . .LOL
@kaasinees. . .maybe FrankHerbfart is overdosing on them? That's why he uses the user name PIROULINE ? He goes from one user name to another and back again to verbally assault members of Physorg, which indicates insanity.
Pirouette
1.5 / 5 (11) Dec 17, 2011
I see that FrankHerbfart has again given a ONE to Noumenon, so I will give Nou a FIVE to offset the ONE which FrankHerbfart likes to pretend that it is other members who give the ONES. It's strange that anybody would put so much value on Physorg's score system. Is there a PRIZE to be won? That is surely NOT the case. The only other answer is that FrankHerbfart is INSANE. LET OTHER MEMBERS BEWARE OF THIS CRAZY PERSON who is known for his attempted character assassinations.
Pirouette
1.4 / 5 (10) Dec 17, 2011
In another thread, GSwift7 provided these videos of the falsification of groundwater data by AGWites.

http://wizbangblo...n-maest/]http://wizbangblo...n-maest/[/url]

also this: a conspiracy to extort money from Chevron by AGWites

http://wizbangblo...n-maest/]http://wizbangblo...n-maest/[/url]
omatumr
1 / 5 (7) Dec 17, 2011
California Congressman Rohrabachers speech on the issue of global climate change may help:

http://wattsupwit...re-53264

It includes quotes from President Eisenhower's 1961 warning "that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.

www.youtube.com/w...ld5PR4ts

With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
omatumr
1 / 5 (6) Dec 18, 2011
Politicians use emotions to convince the public they are powerful and control nature.

http://www.ipa.or...c-alarms

www.dailymail.co....nge.html

In fact they are totally powerless over the forces that power the Sun, control Earth's climate and sustain life on Earth.

As the AGW scare collapses, information is only now being made public on the ill-tempered pulsar that produced our elements, gave birth to the Solar System, and controls our fate today.

http://dl.dropbox...asks.pdf

With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
Former NASA Principal
Investigator for Apollo
www.omatumr.com
http://myprofile....anuelo09
kaasinees
1.6 / 5 (7) Dec 19, 2011
I have to say one thing, they moved all the factories to china; how can they _not_ be the biggest polluter in the world?
ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (9) Dec 19, 2011
ALL the factories? Really?
They can be the biggest polluter because they are a poor socialist country that really doesn't care about pollution.
ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (9) Dec 19, 2011
I have to say one thing, they moved all the factories to china; how can they _not_ be the biggest polluter in the world?

But this is what all 'green' liberals want. California wants power but they don't want the power plants to be in their state. NIMBYs want ...stuff, but they don't want the ugly factories in their city or in their neighborhood.
bluehigh
1.2 / 5 (40) Dec 20, 2011
..it was a great example
- Pirouette

Its not surprising that feeble minded FrankH (and some other pretentious twits) - just did not 'get it'.

The pathetic, unemployable, demented loser can barely contain himself from stalking, creating sock puppets and being overly abusive. Such a boring small minded sub-human.
FrankHerbert
2.4 / 5 (82) Dec 20, 2011
You called for "culling" your political opponents, bluehigh. Pretty sure that's worse than anything you've accused me of, not that any of it is true.

I'm awaiting an apology.
bluehigh
1.2 / 5 (42) Dec 20, 2011
Nah, not gonna happen fool. You will die either by my hand or another. No doubt you need to die for the benefit of humanity. Sure can't have you pass on your defective genes. So about your Mum ... is she a goer .. a quickie maybe before she gets culled too? You got a sister?

Fuck off. Lets dance you scumbag.

FrankHerbert
2.4 / 5 (81) Dec 21, 2011
Nah, not gonna happen fool. You will die either by my hand or another. No doubt you need to die for the benefit of humanity. Sure can't have you pass on your defective genes. So about your Mum ... is she a goer .. a quickie maybe before she gets culled too? You got a sister?

Fuck off. Lets dance you scumbag.



LOL are you for real? Conservatism really is a mental disorder.

Sure can't have you pass on your defective genes.

Eugenics, nice.
scumbag

LOL did you have to go to film school to learn how to project like that?

Say hi to your family for me you crikey dingo. Odds are you couldn't pass on ALL your defective genes to your descendents so there is a pretty good chance any of them would turn out to be a better person than you. No "culling" necessary. :-)

Pirouette
1.1 / 5 (37) Dec 22, 2011
..it was a great example
- Pirouette

bluehigh says:
Its not surprising that feeble minded FrankH (and some other pretentious twits) - just did not 'get it'.

The pathetic, unemployable, demented loser can barely contain himself from stalking, creating sock puppets and being overly abusive. Such a boring small minded sub-human.

Frankschmuck gets an orgasm from attempting to get people he doesn't like all upset. No need to get upset is what I tell a lot of people here. Everyone else knows, including Physorg admin, that the schmuck has some very big mental issues. He is incapable of reading comprehension of easy sentences and paragraphs. He obviously refuses to take REMEDIAL READING COMPREHENSION AND INSTEAD PREFERS TO MISQUOTE THOSE HE WISHES TO VICTIMIZE. HE IS PROBABLY A PAID AGENT FROM A COMPETING SCIENCE WEBSITE, HIRED TO DRIVE MEMBERS AWAY FROM PHYSORG.COM THROUGH HARASSMENT AND INTIMIDATION.