Emerging powers press rich world on CO2 cuts

August 28, 2011
St. Paul's Cathedral is seen among the skyline through the smog in central London, April 2011. Brazil, South Africa, India and China called Friday on industrialized nations to step up their commitment to reduce greenhouse gas emissions at a key UN climate summit later this year.

Brazil, South Africa, India and China called Friday on industrialized nations to step up their commitment to reduce greenhouse gas emissions at a key UN climate summit later this year.

"We demand that set more meaningful objectives toward CO2 reductions than what they have presented up to now," Brazilian Foreign Minister Antonio Patriota told a meeting in Inhotim, Brazil.

The bloc of four emerging market countries "has done a lot to combat and presented ambitious objectives," Patriota said.

China's climate change minister Xie Zhenua called for greater cooperation from industrialized countries at the next UN scheduled to take place in Durban, South Africa from November 28 to December 9.

"We want to deepen the dialogue with so that a joint effort for the Durban conference will yield satisfactory results and equality for all parties," he added.

European Union and US leaders have however already warned that there will be no binding deal on emissions at this year's in South Africa.

The key issues for participants ahead of Durban are how to bring timid agreements reached in Cancun, Mexico last December to life and whether or not to extend the , which is the only international agreement with binding targets for curbing and expires next year.

Its future is uncertain because China and the United States, the world's No. 1 and No. 2 , are not subject to its constraints.

Agreed in skeletal form in 1997 and implemented in 2005 after agonizing talks over its rulebook, Kyoto commits 37 advanced economies to trim six greenhouse gases by an overall five percent by a 2008-2012 timeframe compared to 1990.

Washington was one of the chief architects of the protocol but never ratified the treaty.

Former president George W. Bush said Kyoto was fatally flawed because it does not require developing giants, already major polluters, to take on similar constraints.

European countries are generally on track for their emissions reductions, but Canada is poised to miss its target by a wide margin.

At the same time, emissions by China, India, Indonesia and Brazil have rocketed -- nations bound by Kyoto account for less than 30 percent of global CO2 emissions, which hit record levels in 2010.

Japan, Canada and Russia have said they will not sign up for a new round of carbon-cutting vows.

The European Union (EU) says it will only do so if other nations -- including emerging giants such as China and India, which do not have binding targets -- beef up efforts in a parallel negotiating arena.

Developing countries, though, insist the Protocol be renewed in its current form.

The host of the upcoming UN conference, South African Foreign Minister Maite Nkoana-Mashabane, and India's deputy environment minister J.M. Mauskar also participated in the meeting at Inhotim.

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2.2 / 5 (17) Aug 28, 2011
Brazil, South Africa, India and China called Friday on industrialized nations to step up their commitment to reduce greenhouse gas emissions at a key UN climate summit later this year.

... emissions by China, India, Indonesia and Brazil have rocketed ...

That should be enough to stop all argument if there were some pressing need to shut down industrialization.

Since the real reason to control (and fine) industrial nations is the redistribution of power and wealth, it is certainly good that the meetings have not gone well and are unlikely to go well this fall.
2.3 / 5 (21) Aug 28, 2011
AGW is nothing more than a foot in the door for the anti-capitalist social engineering left.

"...one of Gore's leading scientific resources, Goddard Institute for Space Studies chief James Hansen, sent a letter to Barack Obama specifically urging {him} to enact a tax on carbon emissions that would take money from higher-income Americans and distribute the proceeds to the less fortunate"

"....developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the worlds wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole." -EDENHOFER, co-chair of a UN IPCC

Social engineering will not work in a free-market capitalistic economy.
3 / 5 (5) Aug 28, 2011
This is reasonably objective and thorough, unlike most of what is written on Global Warming. In my opinion, we will not be able to get most of the world sign on to a program that will genuinely stop Global Warming until we make clean energy more economical than fossil fuels. Thus, it would be more productive if countries would gather and commit to a massive international effort to fund clean energy R&D and demonstration facilities, with the primary goal of making clean energy cheaper than fossil fuels.

One of the reasons I enjoy reading Physorg is because every week there are a few scientific advancements that make clean energy incrementally more viable. With a coordinated and massively funded international effort, there could be a torrent of scientific advancements and product improvements. Once clean energy is cheaper than fossil fuel, AGW would be reversed by market forces with no need for Kyoto-style treaties.
1.3 / 5 (13) Aug 28, 2011
Yes, an international manhattan project for energy. The left solutions are counter to free-market and ad-hoc in social engineering, redistribution of wealth, ...causing energy costs to artificially sky-rocket before replacement energy sources can be naturally introduces into the market. This is stupid and dangerous to economies. Yes, there is tremendous market forces that would allow the adaptation of alternatives much faster than economic button pushing, once they can compete with coal/oil. The AGW are predominantly on the political left and so seek to control societies use of energy. This is liberal naiveté.
2.3 / 5 (12) Aug 28, 2011
Enemies of the West are demanding that the west stop using cost effective energy. This makes sense only to progressives who are either ignorant or who wants the west to decline.

1.7 / 5 (11) Aug 28, 2011
I prepared these documents (pdf and doc) on AGW dogma (anthropogenic global warming) for presentation today at an ACS webinar today:

"Critical Look at Global Warming Data: Wickedly Complex System Called Climate."



I was peased that the American Chemical Society had many speakers who were critical of AGW dogma.

Until integrity and public confidence are restored in government science, the public will not follow irrational pronouncements like EPA's false claim that CO2 is a dangerous pollutant.

I regret the discomfort ahead for the scientific community, but decades of putting grants ahead of basic scientific principles have damaged confidence in science and in science leaders who tried to whitewash data manipulation.

With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
Former NASA Principal
Investigator for Apollo
4 / 5 (3) Aug 28, 2011
Isn't Brazil a Western country? Why is China complaining about the West; they are 1?
1 / 5 (2) Aug 29, 2011
@ dogbert

Unfortunately, the US is still "#1" (We're number one - Yeea!} in greenhouse gas emission, regardless of what China and India are doing.
1 / 5 (2) Aug 29, 2011
@ Shakescene21:
"Once clean energy is cheaper than fossil fuel, AGW would be reversed by market forces with no need for Kyoto-style treaties."

Unfortunately, by that time we will have passed the global warming "tipping point," at which time the process will be irreversible.
1 / 5 (2) Aug 29, 2011
For those, interested in what *real science* looks like, go here: http://www.uctv.t...ID=11975

The original lecture by Richard Somerville, the renowned climatologist emeritus from Scripps Institution of Oceanography. This talk is sponsored by the Osher Institute for Lifelong Learning at UC San Diego.

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