Fundamental question on how life started solved?

Correction. For carbon, the basis of 'most' life.

How life started? Sensational much? Carbon nucleus is not life. The article title falsely implies abiogenesis discovery.

Hey, TabulaMentis, just wondering, which life is not carbon based? I am just curious as i thought all life that we knew about was carbon based.

Hey, TabulaMentis, just wondering, which life is not carbon based? I am just curious as i thought all life that we knew about was carbon based.

I assume you are talking about life as we normally see it, not ghosts, etc.. Besides that there are a couple that I figured out, but I will release the information on those gems some other time, but non-carbon-based life forms do exist, we just do not see them very often.

I assume you are talking about life as we normally see it, not ghosts, etc.. Besides that there are a couple that I figured out, but I will release the information on those gems some other time, but non-carbon-based life forms do exist, we just do not see them very often.

I see.

LOL TabulaMentis.

I thought they discovered some arsenic-based life?

LOL TabulaMentis.

I cannot help it if you are not very smart, though it is good to start the week off with a laugh!

Hey, TabulaMentis, just wondering, which life is not carbon based?

Daleks

I thought they discovered some arsenic-based life?

Not arsenic-based, they found life that can substitute arsenic for the phosophorous molecule in parts of it's bio-chemistry.

Ah how could I have been so blind? It's so plain to me now that this is know. The purpose of my life that is, the meaning of life.
The meaning of life, the purpose of why we are here is.... to figure out the final digit that completes the number of Pi! Oh that and to party!

i eagerly await the release of your findings, tabulamentis. if einstein had access to the internet, he would have been laughed off forums as well. personally, i hope you've found peanut butter lifeforms, as i do love me some peanut butter.

Yeech! Peenut butter smells like mousetraps and aflatoxin.

As to not-carbon based life, one needs only to understand just a little chemical physics to see that only Group 14 the Carbon Group has four valence electrons available to bond and that Carbon only forms arbitrarily long complexes, the others at best form lattice crystals simple compared to carbon ring chains and, at worst, are so late in stellar synthesis as to be rare.

Maybe there will be Silliputty based life but it will be complex enough only to entertain FrankSHerbert for a few minutes. And the rules of the Universe have not been observed as so variable.

Good people ought to be armed as they will, with wits and Guns and the Truth. Retire. Strike! If you moochers can't strike, ask yourselves why?

There is a difference in the energy of the Hoyle state, at http://www.nscl.m...Neff.pdf we read that the exitation energy is 7.654 Mev whereas here it says -85 MeV. So what is the real energy level of this state?

This seems to imply that heavy elements can form in large stars without the need for a super-nova.

This seems to imply that heavy elements can form in large stars without the need for a super-nova.

Not so. Elements up to iron release energy when they are formed from lighter elements. Elements heavier than iron consume energy to be created, and any reactions that form them VERY strongly favor iron as the end product...

It is only in the extremely neutron rich environment of a supernovae that nuclei can capture extra neutrons to form heavier elements.

I thought they discovered some arsenic-based life?

Arsenic is supposed to replace phosphorus, not carbon, which remins essential. Still, some phosphorus is probably essential.

There is a difference in the energy of the Hoyle state, at http://www.nscl.m...Neff.pdf we read that the exitation energy is 7.654 Mev whereas here it says -85 MeV. So what is the real energy level of this state?

Graeme, I suspect that the -85MeV is the nuclear binding energy of ground state C12. That would mean that the net binding energy of this excited state would be 7.654-85 = -77.346meV, Yes?

"Without this type of carbon nucleus, life probably also would not have been possible."
ShotmanMaslo, the above quote is why I don't think the article was tying to say anything about abiogenesis itself. Rather, they are trying to test the validity of Hoyle's claim that carbon was unlikely to have been made in stellar cores in the first place, a pre-condition for abiogenesis to occur later, on planets formed from the debris of stars in which the carbon was one of the "heavy" elements formed. ("Heavy" only in the sense of being more massive than H and He.)

It is not the article that implies that this is about the start of life. The article is clear that it is just about the creation of one of the necessities of life (or at of least life as we know it).

It just some annoying headline writer who either didn't read the article or didn't understand the article, or who simply didn't care and wanted a more 'sensational' headline.

i hope you've found peanut butter lifeforms, as i do love me some peanut butter.

Peanut butter is carbon based ;)

You people make fun of good old TabulaMentis for his statements that there is non-carbon based life (and rightly so), but the fact of the matter is I've seen most of you use the same logic to say that you're quite sure life exists beyond the Earth.

Gave me a chuckle...

Modern,
I don't quite follow your logic. How would extra-terrestrial life be argued that would give you the impression that anyone was arguing against carbon based life? While it may be possible for life to exist in some yet-unknown way, I still don't see how the logic arguments even compare? He gave no evidence or reason why it might exist, just that he knew. How is that in any way like arguing for the *probability* of life existing off Terra.

You people make fun of good old TabulaMentis for his statements that there is non-carbon based life (and rightly so), but the fact of the matter is I've seen most of you use the same logic to say that you're quite sure life exists beyond the Earth.

Gave me a chuckle...

I'm pretty sure people are making fun of him because he says he figured it out but is withholding that "gem" for later...

You people make fun of good old TabulaMentis for his statements that there is non-carbon based life (and rightly so), but the fact of the matter is I've seen most of you use the same logic to say that you're quite sure life exists beyond the Earth. Gave me a chuckle...

Chuckle all you want, but I have personally seen three different types/technology, plus twice seen ETs appear/disappear before my eyes sort of like in StarTrek. All of this is related to my research. I do not want to get into the details now. That is why I am holding-out.

Modernmystic - Most folks here who talk about ETs also use Qualifiers in their statements. You know things like "I think" "I would guess" "My guess is" "I Believe" "My thinking is" etc...

I hope this helps clarify the difference between someone who says "I know" "I have found out" "I have discovered" "I have witnessed" and the qualifiers listed above.

You people make fun of good old TabulaMentis for his statements that there is non-carbon based life (and rightly so), but the fact of the matter is I've seen most of you use the same logic to say that you're quite sure life exists beyond the Earth. Gave me a chuckle...

Chuckle all you want, but I have personally seen three different types/technology, plus twice seen ETs appear/disappear before my eyes sort of like in StarTrek. All of this is related to my research. I do not want to get into the details now. That is why I am holding-out.

I highly recommend you seek professional help. I'm not kidding at all here, they can help you if you let them.

I highly recommend you seek professional help. I'm not kidding at all here, they can help you if you let them.

So you are one of those who believe earth including humans are at the center of the universe? Maybe you think the earth is flat?

I highly recommend you seek professional help. I'm not kidding at all here, they can help you if you let them.

So you are one of those who believe earth including humans are at the center of the universe? Maybe you think the earth is flat?

No I'm one of those who sincerely cares about people, and when they exhibit clear signs of mental illness I encourage them to seek the help they need. I'm not trying to ridicule you or make fun of you, but honestly trying to help you.

No I'm one of those who sincerely cares about people, and when they exhibit clear signs of mental illness I encourage them to seek the help they need. I'm not trying to ridicule you or make fun of you, but honestly trying to help you.

Thanks for the stupid advice. I think you need to take some of those brain pills so you will become smarter. Then I suggest you start studying M-theory or something!
Believing is seeing. I love it when people say teleportation is fantasy. And also when people say UFOs do not exist. I have not seen a flying saucer, but I have seen several other things that are just as amazing, if not even more, especially one of them.

Another thing or two. Future teleporters will not teleport the carbon atoms, only the information about the carbon atoms. Then when someone is teleported to another parallel universe where carbon is not the basis of all life, then that information will be applied to the particles that are the basis of life in that universe. Do ghosts scare you? LOL

Thanks for the clarification... I was up all night worrying about future teleporters wishing to gain access to parallel universes. Phew!

Thanks for the clarification... I was up all night worrying about future teleporters wishing to gain access to parallel universes. Phew!

Those future teleporters will also be used as immortalizers, replicators, time machines, reincarnators, alchemisers and mind readers. We need to read Modernmystic's mind to see why he or she is so stupid.

I'm pretty sure people are making fun of him because he says he figured it out but is withholding that "gem" for later.

You know, it is all about money, right? Though some are genuinely curious. However, I would say most are looking for something for nothing like many of those big bangers, right? After I found illegal tracking devices in my vehicle and discovered the news media was illegally spying on me inside my home, I stopped being so generous! Who in the Hell works for twenty years for nothing, really? Your right, it is a great big joke, except I am very serious! So go ahead and give me a bunch of one stars if it turns you on! Next thing you know Modernmystic will say microphones have not been invented yet!

I have personally seen three different types/technology, plus twice seen ETs appear/disappear before my eyes sort of like in StarTrek

After I found illegal tracking devices in my vehicle and discovered the news media was illegally spying on me inside my home, I stopped being so generous!

Are these the only 'strange' things that happen to you?

My brother claims almost identical experiences. He has paranoid schizophrenia. The difference is that he now knows it and can identify his delusions and hallucinations. Usually.

Twenty years you've been working on this? I genuinely feel sorry for you. Have you ever sought a professional opinion on your mental state? What could it hurt, besides the momentum you feel?

Or, are you just a con artist "magician" like google says?

My brother had the same problem. He thought people on the television were talking to him sort of like a two-way conversation. After I learned a home I lived in during 2001 was wired like a Christmas tree with eavesdropping devices, then I began to believe him. I even found listening/tracking devices in my vehicle.

One group of people during the 1980s made a point of bankrupting me and another group did what they could to bankrupt me during the 1990s. Under those adverse conditions it would probably have take you twenty years as well. Most people would have given up after a few years considering the complexity of the ideas and desire to become immortal here on earth before dying, not afterwards!

P.S.: Yes, you too would be hungry for money and a little bitter.

Here's one quick question for you Tabula. Why you? What makes you so special that covert groups would try to bankrupt you twice?
I don't believe or disbelieve you, however I don't understand what separates you from the 'rest of us'.

Here's one quick question for you Tabula. Why you? What makes you so special that covert groups would try to bankrupt you twice? I don't believe or disbelieve you, however I don't understand what separates you from the 'rest of us'.

Very good question. In 1981 I came up with a name for something that was very controversial. The name gave my enemies the ammunition to attack me from all directions. People just did not understand what I was trying to do, including myself, because I had forgot about the dream of wanting to be immortal before then. Finally, in 1991 when I started studying physics and just happened to luck-out and hit the Holy Grail by accident then the religious groups began to accept me as one of theirs, but then another group became very angry. You know the old saying, You cannot make everyone happy. My problem is I did it in a very very big way. One of the ideas I created in 1991 is all over the world now and most people do not even know what it is or stands for.

My problem is I did it in a very very big way. One of the ideas I created in 1991 is all over the world now and most people do not even know what it is or stands for.

Well since you already did it you should be able to tell us what it was. The claim that it will be in a book doesn't hold water this time. Though I am pretty sure you will come up with some dubious excuse for not telling us.

Ethelred

This reminds me of the whole John Titor thing. Anyone remember that from around 2000-2001? He 'his family' got a book deal. He claimed to be a time traveler and was just about vague enough to sort of seem correct. But then most of what he said about the future turned out to not hold much water. You should check it out if you haven't, it's fascinating. Of course it was much better back in 2002 when you weren't able to look toward the past as the future he described. Anyway, Tabula you remind me of him. There's still no way to prove he was lying, but there's very very little on the way of evidence that he provided.

Anonymity is important. No, I am not lying, however I do have indirect proof. Video footage would have been very helpful. I will let my finished works speak for itself, then you can decide.

Typical non answer. You really do need to seek out help. There are effective anti-psychotics these days.

This is not meant as a personal attack. Your statements on this thread show such ample signs of serious mental problems that I will simply have to ignore you for the future as nothing you say can assumed to be from someone connected with reality. There will never be a book, there will never be evidence to support you and the only way you will reconnect with reality is to seek help.

Ethelred

Listen to Ethelred, for he gives wise counsel.
Your statements sound like a classic case of a smart person diconnected from reality.
John Nash of the Nash Equillibrium is a good example, reasonably well portrayed in "A Beautiful Mind".

Maybe you should tell everyone that goes to church, etc. every week that they are crazy and that you have the ultimate solution. Go ahead and preach to everyone that everything came from NOTHING. Seriously, some of you are truly preaching 'MAGIC' here! Those who are preaching this magic are the ones that need serious help!

You people make fun of good old TabulaMentis for his statements that there is non-carbon based life (and rightly so), but the fact of the matter is I've seen most of you use the same logic to say that you're quite sure life exists beyond the Earth. Gave me a chuckle...

Chuckle all you want, but I have personally seen three different types/technology, plus twice seen ETs appear/disappear before my eyes sort of like in StarTrek. All of this is related to my research. I do not want to get into the details now. That is why I am holding-out.

Normally, I'd vote a comment like this a 1, but it's so out there I had to give it a 5 for both entertainment value and balls for posting that publicly.

Anonymity is important. No, I am not lying, however I do have indirect proof. Video footage would have been very helpful. I will let my finished works speak for itself, then you can decide.

Better hurry up. You haven't got much time.
http://www.ebible...s/may21/

I know- post your details here and I will help you disseminate them throughout the Internet. Perhaps we can get others to help. This way Jesus will know what a champ you are when he shows up next weekend.

No no wait, I'm only joking! You know me, always a kidder. Come on, what was the name you came up with? What is all over the world? I think you need a little preliminary feedback, test the waters you know. Physsorg is just the place to do this. Nobody ever visits this place, just nerds with no clue. They'll be happy to help.

Come on. Spill.

After I found illegal tracking devices in my vehicle and discovered the news media was illegally spying on me inside my home, I stopped being so generous!

I feel bad for making fun of you above. I didn't realize you were a paranoid schyzophrenic.

I realize you're not aware of it. Please ask someone you trust, then please seek professional help.

Have you ever heard of Anthony Pelicano? Maybe you do not believe they do the things they do, but I bet you believe in the rumors acquired from spying they spread about!

I implore you to talk to someone you trust and ask them if they think you should seek professional help. Please do this.

I implore you to talk to someone you trust and ask them if they think you should seek professional help. Please do this.

I think tabula dementis is just playing little games with everybody. Are you bored sir? Need some attention perhaps? You didn't invent the Internet and call it www did you? Because I heard that actually means 666 in roman numerals. Is somebody in Rome pissed off about that? I also heard some things about the bank of Rome. Is this all interweaved?

The word 'Mom' on the telephone equals 666. That should give you something to think about for a while.

Because the laid out the alphabet in order on a phone? Come on now. Don't be ridiculous. dad on the phone is 3,2,3 added together 8. 8 = 4X2. 4+2 is 6. Does that make fathers partially evil as well? The forum is turning into nonsense. 420 is HIGH B, 0 nevermind I'm not even going to bother with this anymore.

Once you figure out the #6 button idea on the telephone and who it is related to, then I will let you take all of the credit for the discovery, including the rocks the antichrist's will be throwing at you!

Maybe we should just skip the 6 button thing just like they do with buildings for the 13th floor. Move 7 8 9 and 0 and where the zero was just make it a theta or Pi, or even a happy unicorn with rainbows. Ya know, NO MONO is 666 twice. This is silly.