Hubble finds tiny 'electric soccer balls' in space, helps solve interstellar mystery

Hubble finds tiny 'electric soccer balls' in space, helps solve interstellar mystery
An artist's concept depicting the presence of buckyballs in space. Buckyballs, which consist of 60 carbon atoms arranged like soccer balls, have been detected in space before by scientists using NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope. The new result is the first time an electrically charged (ionized) version has been found in the interstellar medium. Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech

Scientists using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope have confirmed the presence of electrically-charged molecules in space shaped like soccer balls, shedding light on the mysterious contents of the interstellar medium (ISM) - the gas and dust that fills interstellar space.

Since stars and planets form from collapsing clouds of gas and dust in , "The diffuse ISM can be considered as the starting point for the that ultimately give rise to planets and life," said Martin Cordiner of the Catholic University of America, Washington. "So fully identifying its contents provides information on the ingredients available to create stars and planets." Cordiner, who is stationed at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, is lead author of a paper on this research published April 22nd in the Astrophysical Journal Letters.

The identified by Cordiner and his team are a form of carbon called "Buckminsterfullerene," also known as "Buckyballs," which consists of 60 (C60) arranged in a hollow sphere. C60 has been found in some rare cases on Earth in rocks and minerals, and can also turn up in high-temperature combustion soot.

C60 has been seen in space before. However, this is the first time an electrically charged (ionized) version has been confirmed to be present in the diffuse ISM. The C60 gets ionized when ultraviolet light from stars tears off an electron from the molecule, giving the C60 a (C60+). "The diffuse ISM was historically considered too harsh and tenuous an environment for appreciable abundances of large molecules to occur," said Cordiner. "Prior to the detection of C60, the largest known molecules in space were only 12 atoms in size. Our confirmation of C60+ shows just how complex astrochemistry can get, even in the lowest density, most strongly ultraviolet-irradiated environments in the Galaxy."

Life as we know it is based on carbon-bearing molecules, and this discovery shows complex carbon molecules can form and survive in the harsh environment of interstellar space. "In some ways, life can be thought of as the ultimate in chemical complexity," said Cordiner. "The presence of C60 unequivocally demonstrates a high level of chemical complexity intrinsic to space environments, and points toward a strong likelihood for other extremely complex, carbon-bearing molecules arising spontaneously in space."

Most of the ISM is hydrogen and helium, but it's spiked with many compounds that haven't been identified. Since is so remote, scientists study how it affects the light from distant stars to identify its contents. As starlight passes through space, elements and compounds in the ISM absorb and block certain colors (wavelengths) of the light. When scientists analyze starlight by separating it into its component colors (spectrum), the colors that have been absorbed appear dim or are absent. Each element or compound has a unique absorption pattern that acts as a fingerprint allowing it to be identified. However, some absorption patterns from the ISM cover a broader range of colors, which appear different from any known atom or molecule on Earth. These absorption patterns are called Diffuse Interstellar Bands (DIBs). Their identity has remained a mystery ever since they were discovered by Mary Lea Heger, who published observations of the first two DIBs in 1922.

A DIB can be assigned by finding a precise match with the absorption fingerprint of a substance in the laboratory. However, there are millions of different molecular structures to try, so it would take many lifetimes to test them all.

"Today, more than 400 DIBs are known, but (apart from the few newly attributed to C60+), none has been conclusively identified," said Cordiner. "Together, the appearance of the DIBs indicate the presence of a large amount of carbon-rich molecules in space, some of which may eventually participate in the chemistry that gives rise to life. However, the composition and characteristics of this material will remain unknown until the remaining DIBs are assigned."

Decades of laboratory studies have failed to find a precise match with any DIBs until the work on C60+. In the new work, the team was able to match the absorption pattern seen from C60+ in the laboratory to that from Hubble observations of the ISM, confirming the recently claimed assignment by a team from University of Basel, Switzerland, whose laboratory studies provided the required C60+ comparison data. The big problem for detecting C60+ using conventional, ground-based telescopes, is that atmospheric water vapor blocks the view of the C60+ absorption pattern. However, orbiting above most of the atmosphere in space, the Hubble telescope has a clear, unobstructed view. Nevertheless, they still had to push Hubble far beyond its usual sensitivity limits to stand a chance of detecting the faint fingerprints of C60+.

The observed stars were all blue supergiants, located in the plane of our Galaxy, the Milky Way. The Milky Way's interstellar material is primarily located in a relatively flat disk, so lines of sight to stars in the Galactic plane traverse the greatest quantities of interstellar matter, and therefore show the strongest absorption features due to interstellar molecules.

The detection of C60+ in the diffuse ISM supports the team's expectations that very large, carbon-bearing molecules are likely candidates to explain many of the remaining, unidentified DIBs. This suggests that future laboratory efforts measure the absorption patterns of compounds related to C60+, to help identify some of the remaining DIBs.

The team is seeking to detect C60+ in more environments to see just how widespread buckyballs are in the Universe. According to Cordiner, based on their observations so far, it seems that C60+ is very widespread in the Galaxy.


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More information: M. A. Cordiner et al, Confirming Interstellar C60+ Using the Hubble Space Telescope, The Astrophysical Journal (2019). DOI: 10.3847/2041-8213/ab14e5
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Jun 25, 2019
Hubble finds tiny 'electric soccer balls' in space, helps solve interstellar mystery

Another day, another confirmation.

Jun 25, 2019
Hubble finds tiny 'electric soccer balls' in space, helps solve interstellar mystery

Another day, another confirmation.


Of course... any article containing the word "electric" must be a confirmation.

And since it mentions soccer balls, it confirms that Pele created the universe.

Jun 25, 2019
The electrodynamic properties of the plasma eliminates the need for faerie dust and other favorites of the darkists.
And Pele didn't create the Universe, he just made it more enjoyable for many. What do you have to offer?

Jun 25, 2019
Cantdrive85 doesn't even know basic electric circuit analysis. What conductors and what insulators are, and how electricity conducts in solids, let alone a plasma.


Jun 25, 2019
Cantdrive85 doesn't even know basic electric circuit analysis. What conductors and what insulators are, and how electricity conducts in solids, let alone a plasma.



Yeah, but he knows lotsa 'em big words, AND he's on the internet... so... He's gotta be the greatest unrecognized genius of our time. Watch him explain how bucky balls remain stable in plasma, and/or how plasma exists at 10 degrees Kelvin... or both... or neither. In 10...9...8...

Jun 25, 2019
Hubble finds tiny 'electric soccer balls' in space, helps solve interstellar mystery

Another day, another confirmation.
Right. "The C60 gets ionized when ultraviolet light from stars tears off an electron from the molecule..."
UV from stars can ionize stuff. They laughed, but I have the last laugh, the fools...

Jun 25, 2019
I can see when a couple of really old minds get involved and their inability to process new knowledge is hopeless.

Jun 25, 2019
The electrodynamic properties of the plasma eliminates the need for faerie dust and other favorites of the darkists.


Nope, it does nothing of the kind. You made that up. Given that you know squat about the relevant science, we can safely ignore your woo. And will.

Jun 25, 2019
I can see when a couple of really old minds get involved and their inability to process new knowledge is hopeless.
"...ultraviolet light from stars tears off an electron from the molecule"
No, I think you processed that just fine.

Jun 25, 2019
I can see when a couple of really old minds get involved and their inability to process new knowledge is hopeless.
"...ultraviolet light from stars tears off an electron from the molecule"
No, I think you processed that just fine.

If it stays ionized for any length of time it just means there aren't any electrons in the neighborhood to hook up with...
Hence - no "current".

Jun 25, 2019
I can see when a couple of really old minds get involved and their inability to process new knowledge is hopeless.
"...ultraviolet light from stars tears off an electron from the molecule"
No, I think you processed that just fine.

My comment was directed at the two other old ass minds, and the mindless one jonesdumb. I couldn't quite make sense of your post other than to assume you were directing it toward Rudesmith to point out how this plasma can be plasma. As your post wasn't relevant to my post maybe your old mind would care to expound.

Jun 25, 2019
I can see when a couple of really old minds get involved and their inability to process new knowledge is hopeless.
"...ultraviolet light from stars tears off an electron from the molecule"
No, I think you processed that just fine.

If it stays ionized for any length of time it just means there aren't any electrons in the neighborhood to hook up with...
Hence - no "current".

I'll take one from jonesdumb, Wrong!
99.99% of the Universe is plasma (ionized), your plasma POV is, as always, completely nonsensical and erroneous.

Jun 25, 2019
Just google spherical electro magnet to see it.

Jun 25, 2019
I can see when a couple of really old minds get involved and their inability to process new knowledge is hopeless.
"...ultraviolet light from stars tears off an electron from the molecule"
No, I think you processed that just fine.

My comment was directed at the two other old ass minds, and the mindless one jonesdumb. I couldn't quite make sense of your post other than to assume you were directing it toward Rudesmith to point out how this plasma can be plasma. As your post wasn't relevant to my post maybe your old mind would care to expound.
I don't think anyone's else's mind is necessary to the matter. You understand that UV can ionize atoms and molecules. You are still able acquire stuff that was new 20 years into the previous century. You're not in the class of individuals who think Khomeini is still alive, lo, these past 30 years.

Jun 25, 2019
I can see when a couple of really old minds get involved and their inability to process new knowledge is hopeless.
"...ultraviolet light from stars tears off an electron from the molecule"
No, I think you processed that just fine.

My comment was directed at the two other old ass minds, and the mindless one jonesdumb. I couldn't quite make sense of your post other than to assume you were directing it toward Rudesmith to point out how this plasma can be plasma. As your post wasn't relevant to my post maybe your old mind would care to expound.
I don't think anyone's else's mind is necessary to the matter. You understand that UV can ionize atoms and molecules. You are still able acquire stuff that was new 20 years into the previous century. You're not in the class of individuals who think Khomeini is still alive, lo, these past 30 years.

I'm gonna guess engrish is not your first language.

Jun 25, 2019

99.99% of the Universe is plasma (ionized), your plasma POV is, as always, completely nonsensical and erroneous.


Nope, yours is woo boy. Never studied plasma physics, have you? Indeed, I believe I'm correct in saying that your cult possesses not a single plasma physicist. So, why on Earth would we care what a bunch of Velikovskian loons think?


Jun 25, 2019
So 99.99% of the Universe isn't plasma? Stop lying jonesdumb.

Jun 25, 2019
So 99.99% of the Universe isn't plasma? Stop lying jonesdumb.


What a nebulous statement! So frigging what? It isn't doing what you unqualified idiots claim. You don't understand plasma physics. Not a single one of you.

Jun 25, 2019
In Manhattan's lower East side, I washed my white window sill, a summery day with the window wide open, I rested there, my face very close to the wood, all shiny and clean, and watched as the tiny perfect spheres gathered anew, only I had never noticed how perfect they were....I knew Bucky's assistant, and had met him at a book signing , tiny lovely little old man. God the air was terrible there! But later I built a dodecahedron for them to climb on,fueled by his work, and taught my little math students about the Platonic Solids, one of which is a Buckyball. I even invented a toy with four foot dowels and wiffle balls and we put a huge one together and rolled it around the field. Little did I realize we were playing with Life's building blocks, building balls, I mean!

Jun 25, 2019
So 99.99% of the Universe isn't plasma? Stop lying jonesdumb.


What a nebulous statement! So frigging what? It isn't doing what you unqualified idiots claim. You don't understand plasma physics. Not a single one of you.

We all know you believe that plasma behaves differently from this plasma.

Plasma does out there pretty much what it does here in the lab, with the proper scaling parameters. This has been proven again and again, it's how Birkeland predicted auroras. It's why Alfvén's discoveries/developments are so pervasive in space plasma physics.
Quite frankly, the burden is on you and the rest of the plasma ignoramuses to prove all those "gases" out there isn't plasma, so far that approach has failed at every turn.

Jun 25, 2019
They are called Buckyballs. Not soccer balls. Why must everything be dumbed down to some sports analogy. There's no intelligent live here move along...

Jun 25, 2019
snark:
"This is Not the Dark Matter you are looking for."
/

Jun 25, 2019
Would identifying these compounds be something quantum computing would be able to help with?

Jun 26, 2019
So 99.99% of the Universe isn't plasma? Stop lying jonesdumb.


No. 99.99% of the universe isn't plasma. Not by a long shot.

Jun 26, 2019
Would identifying these compounds be something quantum computing would be able to help with?


The compounds have been identified. That's the whole point of the article.

Jun 26, 2019
LOL Before I even got to the part that mentions fullerenes and buckyballs, somehow I already knew that they were talking about such amazing molecules.

From Wiki: "Carbon molecules known as fullerenes were later named by scientists for their structural and mathematical resemblance to geodesic spheres.

Buckminster Fuller was the second World President of Mensa from 1974 to 1983.[2][3]"

Jun 26, 2019
So 99.99% of the Universe isn't plasma? Stop lying jonesdumb.


No. 99.99% of the universe isn't plasma. Not by a long shot.

Clearly you have some learning to do. Willful ignorance is bliss...

Jun 26, 2019
Cantdrive85: What's the conductivity of a chain of C60 atoms separated by an inch? 200,000 umhos/cm ?
Give me a number genius.
Do you have a basic understanding of the EE that you claim?

Jun 26, 2019
Cantdrive85: What's the conductivity of a chain of C60 atoms separated by an inch? 200,000 umhos/cm ?
Give me a number genius.
Do you have a basic understanding of the EE that you claim?

Try coming up with something relevant to this plasma.

Jun 26, 2019
Cantdrive85: What's the conductivity of a chain of C60 atoms separated by an inch? 200,000 umhos/cm ?
Give me a number genius.
Do you have a basic understanding of the EE that you claim?

Try coming up with something relevant to this plasma.


In other words, "He don't know".

Jun 26, 2019
Cantdrive85: What's the conductivity of a chain of C60 atoms separated by an inch? 200,000 umhos/cm ?
Give me a number genius.
Do you have a basic understanding of the EE that you claim?

Try coming up with something relevant to this plasma.


In other words, "He don't know".

IOW, why should I?

Jun 26, 2019
Old school production of buckyballs was burning a paraffin candle and collecting the soot.
Not ionized though.
The point being---they are easy to make and pretty stable, popping off a few electrons in not going to affect the bonds.
Zero connection to dark matter, where did that even come from?

Jun 26, 2019
So 99.99% of the Universe isn't plasma? Stop lying jonesdumb.


No. 99.99% of the universe isn't plasma. Not by a long shot.

Clearly you have some learning to do. Willful ignorance is bliss...


99.9^_% of the Universe is nothingness(disregarding quantum mechanics of course). The small amount that is actually matter is mostly dark energy. Dark matter also represents a large portion of the matter in the universe. Ordinary matter(baryons, mesons, leptons) represent roughly only 5% of all matter. Of that 5% only about 1/5th is in the form of ionized hydrogen and helium gas(aka plasma), 1/5th are neutrinos, 2.9/5ths are diffuse gas. The rest( .1/5th of 5%) is the matter we are most familiar with like carbon, nitrogen, iron, etc.

Jun 26, 2019
So 99.99% of the Universe isn't plasma? Stop lying jonesdumb.


No. 99.99% of the universe isn't plasma. Not by a long shot.

Clearly you have some learning to do. Willful ignorance is bliss...


99.9^_% of the Universe is nothingness(disregarding quantum mechanics of course). The small amount that is actually matter is mostly dark energy. Dark matter also represents a large portion of the matter in the universe. Ordinary matter(baryons, mesons, leptons) represent roughly only 5% of all matter. Of that 5% only about 1/5th is in the form of ionized hydrogen and helium gas(aka plasma), 1/5th are neutrinos, 2.9/5ths are diffuse gas. The rest( .1/5th of 5%) is the matter we are most familiar with like carbon, nitrogen, iron, etc.

No, 99.9% of the Universe is plasma. If you want to claim the rest of the faerie dust and leprechaun energy then you had better find it first. Until then, 99.9% of observed matter is plasma.

Jun 26, 2019
NASA's Hubble Space Telescope
Confirmed the presence of electrically-charged
Molecules in space
Shaped as soccer balls
Shedding light
On the gas and dust occupying this vacuum

Stars and planets form from collapsing clouds of gas and dust occupying this vacuum of space
Where these molecules of creation
Are aided by electrically charged molecules

Does this mean we can now throw that dreaded phrase
QUASI NEUTRAL out with the bath water

Jun 26, 2019
Does this mean we can now throw that dreaded phrase
QUASI NEUTRAL out with the bath water

Quasi-neutral is legitimate, the interpretation and application of what it means is where the disconnect arises. The hard of thinking like jonesdumb totally skew what it means and how it applies to reality.

Jun 26, 2019
I'll take one from jonesdumb, Wrong!
99.99% of the Universe is plasma (ionized), your plasma POV is, as always, completely nonsensical and erroneous.

Yours is too linear.
You need to include density of all those ionized particles, for a start.
Most of it is pretty thin...
Next you need to consider that the charge of all those different particles is different...

Jun 26, 2019
Quasi-neutralism

Cantdrive
Does this mean we can now throw that dreaded phrase
QUASI NEUTRAL out with the bath water

Quasi-neutral is legitimate, the interpretation and application of what it means is where the disconnect arises. The hard of thinking like jonesdumb totally skew what it means and how it applies to reality.

Said with the depth of knowledge and insight of a real pro

Jun 26, 2019
Does this mean we can now throw that dreaded phrase
QUASI NEUTRAL out with the bath water

Quasi-neutral is legitimate, the interpretation and application of what it means is where the disconnect arises. The hard of thinking like jonesdumb totally skew what it means and how it applies to reality.


Wrong, dumbo. I use the interpretation as presented in any plasma physics paper, or textbook. Where the hell you get your untutored version from is anybody's guess!

Jun 26, 2019
Maybe one day, cantdrive
Very soon
Quasi-neutralism
Will be spoken in its true meaning
Not in its traditional dumbed down
Point scoring

For in the meantime
The ground will continue opening
When neutrality arises
For these stones will continue shifting underfoot
As these cries are heard under foot
"It's quasi-neutral you ******"
For the rest is so ingrained in our ears needing no translation as its forever ringing

Jun 26, 2019
Maybe one day, cantdrive
Very soon
Quasi-neutralism
Will be spoken in its true meaning
Not in its traditional dumbed down
Point scoring

For in the meantime
The ground will continue opening
When neutrality arises
For these stones will continue shifting underfoot
As these cries are heard under foot
"It's quasi-neutral you ******"
For the rest is so ingrained in our ears needing no translation as its forever ringing


Stop commenting on things you don't understand, dumbo. In other words, science. Go read a plasma physics textbook. You are way out of your depth. High school science is way out of your depth.

Jun 26, 2019
No, 99.9% of the Universe is plasma.

If that were true it would be very very hot outside, quite a bit more than the 40°C/105°F it was yesterday, something like 9850°C/17500°F. Might have to turn the A/C on then.
If you want to claim the rest of the faerie dust and leprechaun energy then you had better find it first. Until then, 99.9% of observed matter is plasma.

Can you list your source? Everything I've ever studied about astrophysics points towards a different conclusion. Even if we disregard Dark Energy and Dark Matter, we have observed neutrinos and those account for at least as much matter as plasma. There is also all the diffuse gas out there in the medium but I suppose one could argue that plasma resulted in the diffuse gas or vice-versa. However if we disregard Dark Energy and Dark Matter, then what and where is the missing 95% of matter? It certainty isn't plasma or diffuse gas, that would be easy to figure out. That leaves neutrinos but they don't seem to fit.

Jun 26, 2019
The wormeth turneth

Maybe one day, cantdrive
Very soon
For is this day coming
For cantdrive
Does this phorum ring true?
Or is this Quasi-neutralist cottoning on
Do our eyes deceive us
Or hath thiseth Quasi-neutralist actually negated to mention Quasi-neutralism
For is this worm for turning

Jun 26, 2019

99.99% of the Universe is plasma (ionized), your plasma POV is, as always, completely nonsensical and erroneous.
//says CD85

Nope, yours is woo boy. Never studied plasma physics, have you? Indeed, I believe I'm correct in saying that your cult possesses not a single plasma physicist. So, why on Earth would we care what a bunch of Velikovskian loons think?
says Castrovagina

Perhaps it is time for cantdrive85 aka CD85 to become a bona fide Plasma Physicist. It shouldn't be difficult at all since CD85 appears to know a great deal on the subject anyway. I would predict that a year's worth of study/research at a good university, possibly at taxpayer's expense (if Bernie Sanders becomes POTUS) and then CD85 would be able to rebuke jonesy for casting aspersions on CD's education level.

How 'bout it, CD? Are you willing?
And please give up on the 'electric sun' debacle. It is a waste of your time.

Jun 26, 2019
For is this worm for turning

Jonesdave
Stop commenting on things you don't understand, dumbo. In other words, science. Go read a plasma physics textbook. You are way out of your depth. High school science is way out of your depth.

Apparently
Not any time soon, cantdrive

p.s. you have our sympathy and condolences, cantdrive

Jun 26, 2019
Hmmm just found this out from Wiki:

Plasma (Physics)
Psychological
Research indicates that magnetic fields created by plasma during a thunderstorm can induce hallucination in the human mind.[85] A declassified Ministry of Defense report states that it is "medically proven" that magnetic fields related to plasma cause hallucinations and that "the close proximity of plasma-related fields can adversely affect a vehicle or person".[86] The report also indicated that scientists in the former Soviet Union are pursuing related technology for military purposes.

Oh dear, What to do - What to do?

Jun 26, 2019
Perhaps it is time for cantdrive85 aka CD85 to become a bona fide Plasma Physicist. It shouldn't be difficult at all since CD85 appears to know a great deal on the subject anyway................


That gave me a laugh!

Jun 26, 2019
@cantdriive85
@Castrogiovanni
@Old_C_Code.
There seems to be cross-purpose views re what types of electron/ion/charged dust etc 'currents' occur in deep space. The now-well acknowledged magnetic fields in space allow for charge currents to occur even where 'voltage EMF' and 'circuits' are ABSENT.

In short, the criticisms that 'sparsely separated particles cannot conduct a current' is NOT true in the case where these particles ARE the charged/ionised/plasma material which the MAGNETIC FIELDS act upon to 'sort/separate into like charges' while also 'redirecting them according to magnetic field orientation/accelerative action' on said material, no matter how 'sparse' the density of any collection of such charges in space conditions where gravity is effectively 'micro-gee' at best and so too weak to hinder the magnetic field acceleration-induced 'charge flows' or 'currents'.

So, the 'voltage/circuit required' argument against space currents of space plasma is a non-sequitur. :)

Jun 26, 2019
Hmmm just found this out from Wiki:

Plasma (Physics)
Psychological
Research indicates that magnetic fields created by plasma during a thunderstorm can induce hallucination in the human mind.[85] A declassified Ministry of Defense report states that it is "medically proven" that magnetic fields related to plasma cause hallucinations and that "the close proximity of plasma-related fields can adversely affect a vehicle or person".[86] The report also indicated that scientists in the former Soviet Union are pursuing related technology for military purposes.

Oh dear, What to do - What to do?


Certainly explains what happened to Tony Peratt!

Jun 26, 2019
@cantdriive85
@Castrogiovanni
@Old_C_Code.
There seems to be cross-purpose views re what types of electron/ion/charged dust etc 'currents' occur in deep space. The now-well acknowledged magnetic fields in space allow for charge currents to occur even where 'voltage EMF' and 'circuits' are ABSENT.

In short, ............yada, yada, yada..........


Word salad. Just show me the paper/s.


Jun 26, 2019
@Castrogiovanni.
There seems to be cross-purpose views re what types of electron/ion/charged dust etc 'currents' occur in deep space. The now-well acknowledged magnetic fields in space allow for charge currents to occur even where 'voltage EMF' and 'circuits' are ABSENT.

In short, ............yada, yada, yada..........


Word salad. Just show me the paper/s.

Mate, are you SERIOUSLY admitting you didn't know about the long demonstrated abilities of magnetic fields to effectively sort, separate and accelerate charged particles already in 'free flight' when entering said magnetic fields (be the particles electrons, protons, ionised molecules or dust) even in lab conditions? This is happening as we speak around Earth as its magnetic field sort, separates charged particles from the sun to eventually hit/enter the polar regions to produce the Auroras. :)

Jun 26, 2019
Hubble bubble soccer bubbles

Psychological Plasma Physics
SEU
Research indicates that magnetic fields created by plasma during a thunderstorm can induce hallucination in the human mind

Carefully does it
For jonesy is eating his word salad, SEU

Jun 26, 2019
Perhaps it is time for cantdrive85 aka CD85 to become a bona fide Plasma Physicist. It shouldn't be difficult at all since CD85 appears to know a great deal on the subject anyway................


That gave me a laugh!
says dumbo

What is so amusing about education on this particular subject, jones? So CD knows a great deal on Plasma Physics, but he has been attempting to find the relationship between Plasma, Magnetic Fields, Electric Currents and other possibly related objects.
Your own beliefs in Dark Matter and Dark Energy that have still yet to be found doesn't speak well for YOUR image, jones. Are YOUR unfounded beliefs more important than the beliefs of others, jones? And yet you are attempting to muzzle those with whom you disagree. Perhaps you do not agree with the "Right to Free Speech"? Especially in a science phorum such as physorg where free speech of a science nature is allowed and expected?

Jun 26, 2019
Phantom limbs controlled by thought control

Psychological Plasma Physics
SEU
Research indicates that magnetic fields created by plasma during a thunderstorm can induce hallucination in the human mind

Is not this research
The basis
For controlling mechanical limbs
For people who have broken their spine
Having no moment below their necks
Where this mind control
Allows for mechanical limbs to be controlled
Solely by electrical signals in the mind
This research
Obviously cannot be dismissed by that Quasi-neutral sage as word salad

Jun 26, 2019
@Castrogiovanni.
There seems to be cross-purpose views re what types of electron/ion/charged dust etc 'currents' occur in deep space. The now-well acknowledged magnetic fields in space allow for charge currents to occur even where 'voltage EMF' and 'circuits' are ABSENT.

In short, ............yada, yada, yada..........


Word salad. Just show me the paper/s.

Mate, are you SERIOUSLY admitting you didn't know about the long demonstrated abilities of magnetic fields to effectively sort, separate and accelerate charged particles already in 'free flight' when entering said magnetic fields (be the particles electrons, protons, ionised molecules or dust) even in lab conditions? This is happening as we speak around Earth as its magnetic field sort, separates charged particles from the sun to eventually hit/enter the polar regions to produce the Auroras. :)


Yes. He is serious. jonesy thinks that his education in Anrthopology makes him an expert.

Jun 26, 2019
What is so amusing about education on this particular subject, jones? So CD knows a great deal on Plasma Physics, but he has been attempting to find the relationship between Plasma, Magnetic Fields, Electric Currents and other possibly related objects.
Your own beliefs in Dark Matter and Dark Energy that have still yet to be found doesn't speak well for YOUR image, jones. Are YOUR unfounded beliefs more important than the beliefs of others, jones? And yet you are attempting to muzzle those with whom you disagree. Perhaps you do not agree with the "Right to Free Speech"? Especially in a science phorum such as physorg where free speech of a science nature is allowed and expected?


Sod off you uneducated clown. CD knows zip about plasma physics. Neither do any of his fellow cultists. If you want to learn plasma physics, lizard boy, then pick up a book on it, you retard.

Jun 26, 2019
A foundation in the electrical sciences

SEU
For cantdrive is submerged
In electric magnetic gravitational electromagnetism
For you have defined jonesy as submerged
In dark matter and dark energy
For SEU
Two contrasting beliefs
For cantdrive is founded in science
Where as
Jonesy is going to lead these witches broomsticking upon this coming Halloween
For these witches and warlocks are founded in this dark matter and dark energy

Jun 26, 2019
Phantom limbs controlled by thought control

Psychological Plasma Physics
SEU
Research indicates that magnetic fields created by plasma during a thunderstorm can induce hallucination in the human mind

Is not this research
The basis
For controlling mechanical limbs
For people who have broken their spine
Having no moment below their necks
Where this mind control
Allows for mechanical limbs to be controlled
Solely by electrical signals in the mind
This research
Obviously cannot be dismissed by that Quasi-neutral sage as word salad
says granville

Correct. The MIND is the 4th Dimension; while the other 3 are spatial Dimensions. Whereas it is the Mind which controls the spatial Dimensions, at least on Earth. it is also the Mind that retains control of the neurons that control the emission of the sensations of pleasure and pain. Meditation is a form of Mind controlling the body. I believe that Sir Stephen controlled his computer with his eyes, IIRC.

Jun 26, 2019
Yes. He is serious. jonesy thinks that his education in Anrthopology makes him an expert.


My education in what, you lying piece of sh!t? I know far more about any science than you ever will, you scientifically illiterate freak. Where is the Oort cloud, thicko? How far away is it? Where is Voyager? Either one will do.
Take a hike you retarded moron.

Jun 26, 2019
What is so amusing about education on this particular subject, jones? So CD knows a great deal on Plasma Physics, but he has been attempting to find the relationship between Plasma, Magnetic Fields, Electric Currents and other possibly related objects.
Your own beliefs in Dark Matter and Dark Energy that have still yet to be found doesn't speak well for YOUR image, jones. Are YOUR unfounded beliefs more important than the beliefs of others, jones? And yet you are attempting to muzzle those with whom you disagree. Perhaps you do not agree with the "Right to Free Speech"? Especially in a science phorum such as physorg where free speech of a science nature is allowed and expected?


Sod off you uneducated clown. CD knows zip about plasma physics. Neither do any of his fellow cultists. If you want to learn plasma physics, lizard boy, then pick up a book on it, you retard.


Sod off yourself, jonesdumb. Lizard boy? ROFLOL
I think CD knows far more than you do.

Jun 26, 2019
And yet you are attempting to muzzle those with whom you disagree. Perhaps you do not agree with the "Right to Free Speech"? Especially in a science phorum such as physorg where free speech of a science nature is allowed and expected?


No, idiot boy, I am pointing out where clueless cretins are talking a bunch of crap, and asking them to back it up with science. That is why they run away, and can never back it up. Just a bunch of Dunning-Kruger affected morons. If they knew anything, they'd be working in the relevant science, or would have the balls to post their garbage on a physics forum, rather than a comments section. Of course, they wouldn't last very long on such fora, as they tend not to suffer idiots gladly. So the hard of thinking end up here by default.

Jun 26, 2019
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Sod off yourself, jonesdumb. Lizard boy? ROFLOL
I think CD knows far more than you do.


Wrong. Ask any plasma physicist. And what the hell would you know, you retard? You know nothing about the subject, you whack job! Go on, join a physics forum and post CD's crap on there. He hasn't got the cojones. See what they think. He is just another electric universe moron, who thinks Earth used to orbit Saturn, and the Sun is a giant lightbulb! Lol.

Jun 26, 2019
@Castrogiovanni.
There seems to be cross-purpose views re what types of electron/ion/charged dust etc 'currents' occur in deep space. The now-well acknowledged magnetic fields in space allow for charge currents to occur even where 'voltage EMF' and 'circuits' are ABSENT.

In short, ............yada, yada, yada..........


Word salad. Just show me the paper/s.

Mate, are you SERIOUSLY admitting you didn't know about the long demonstrated abilities of magnetic fields to effectively sort, separate and accelerate charged particles already in 'free flight' when entering said magnetic fields )


Crap. How are they separating electrons from ions? Let's take the solar wind and the IMF it carries. What is the Debye length? What is the magnetic Reynold's number in the solar wind? I can point to papers showing those things. Where are yours? Still writing them up? Lol.

Jun 26, 2019
Yes. He is serious. jonesy thinks that his education in Anrthopology makes him an expert.


My education in what, you lying piece of sh!t? I know far more about any science than you ever will, you scientifically illiterate freak. Where is the Oort cloud, thicko? How far away is it? Where is Voyager? Either one will do.
Take a hike you retarded moron.
says jonesdummy

Sorry. I meant to say, your edumacation in Arthropodology - to learn more about your own kind of creepy crawlies that live under rocks and bridges.
My faux pas in saying "Ooooort Cloud" was obviously a mistake, and for that mistake that you can't seem to put away and forget, you choose to bring it up endlessly as though it must matter that much to you.

Jun 26, 2019
The beauty about an education

Jonesdave
My education in what, you lying piece of sh!t? I know far more about any science than you ever will, you scientifically illiterate freak. Where is the Oort cloud, thicko? How far away is it? Where is Voyager? Either one will do.
Take a hike you retarded moron

When you acquire an education, jonesy
It is not necessary to defend your education
It requires no defence, no word salad and no quasi-neutralism
Fore you doth protest so, jonesy!

Jun 26, 2019
A foundation in the electrical sciences

SEU
For cantdrive is submerged
In electric magnetic gravitational electromagnetism
For you have defined jonesy as submerged
In dark matter and dark energy
For SEU
Two contrasting beliefs
For cantdrive is founded in science
Where as
Jonesy is going to lead these witches broomsticking upon this coming Halloween
For these witches and warlocks are founded in this dark matter and dark energy
says granville

Yes. Absolutely. The only thing is that with jonesy's rotten attitude, they will most likely turn him into an arthropod that they can step on before he runs for it. The witching hour draws near, and jonesy grows ever more unhinged. LOL He seems to be trying hard to remove himself from the humans. But we all know why.
At least, CD85 can give it another go. Further education at University is a fine thing to accomplish, especially in the Plasma Physics courses.

Jun 26, 2019
@Castrogiovanni.
How are they separating electrons from ions?
You keep limiting the context to what you want rather than acknowledging the free space context I was addressing, mate. I even pointed to Earth's ability, via its magnetic field, to sort/redirect/accelerate incoming positive/negative charges to the DIFFERENT magnetic poles.

But I suspect you're conflating the...

....'free space' charges sorting/accelerating situation due to oppositely-directed accelerative magnetic field 'torque forces' on already-moving free space charges entering said magnetic fields...

with the...

...voltage/EMF situation existing between ionosphere and ground, and between ionosphere and 'stagnation regions' within Earth's mag-field where electrons/protons 'pile up' and periodically discharge as electrostatic/lightning type currents once the voltage difference overcomes any resistance along the path between ground and ionosphere and magnetosphere as observed via 'Sprites' etc. :)


Jun 26, 2019
Mirror Matter seems like a more likely and more plausible prospect than is Dark Matter. I, for one, am averse to the Dark Arts as I am not a Darkist by any means. And the unfound, unseen and unknowable Dark Matter only lives in the addled brains of such as jonesy and all other believers in Dark Woo.
We haven't heard from CD85 for some time now, granville. He may be off to the side laughing his head off. Or having a meal. Who knows?
:)

Jun 26, 2019
Have you not realised by now

Jonesdave
I can point to papers showing those things. Where are yours? Still writing them up? Lol

Papers, sources are all well and good
But, jonesy
If every one
Who came on phys.org
Simply
Referred one and all to an internet link
That, jonesy
We have already looked up before your appearance
There would be no Brevity and soul of wit
For, jonesy
You materialise upon phys.org
To make comments all from your own imagination
Not simply an internet link!

Jun 26, 2019
I'll take one from jonesdumb, Wrong!
99.99% of the Universe is plasma (ionized), your plasma POV is, as always, completely nonsensical and erroneous.

Yours is too linear.
You need to include density of all those ionized particles, for a start.
Most of it is pretty thin...
Next you need to consider that the charge of all those different particles is different...

Currents occur in low density plasmas as well, see intergalactic "magnetic bridge" between two galaxies. Intergalactic plasmas are the lowest density, but there are the currents.
And all those different charges are why the complexity of plasma. They induce currents, fields, sheaths, and layers, all of which are at least marginalized and/or ignored completely. And all of these phenomena can occur within low density plasmas.

Jun 26, 2019
This witching hour has passed

SEU
Mirror Matter seems like a more likely and more plausible prospect than is Dark Matter. I, for one, am averse to the Dark Arts as I am not a Darkist by any means. And the unfound, unseen and unknowable Dark Matter only lives in the addled brains of such as jonesy and all other believers in Dark Woo.
We haven't heard from CD85 for some time now, granville. He may be off to the side laughing his head off. Or having a meal. Who knows?
:)

For in these Shires as this clock strikes 2:00 o'clock this morn
The sky is brightening as the dawn chorus is about to sound soon
We need to use some of the dark magic to change these time zones, SEU

Jun 26, 2019
No, 99.9% of the Universe is plasma.


If that were true it would be very very hot outside, quite a bit more than the 40°C/105°F it was yesterday, something like 9850°C/17500°F. Might have to turn the A/C on then.

Plasmas occur down to near absolute zero, you are allowing preconceived notions dictate what you think are facts.
Can you list your source? Everything I've ever studied about astrophysics points towards a different conclusion.

NASA scientist agrees 99.9% of the Universe is plasma.
"99.9 percent of the Universe is made up of plasma," says Dr. Dennis Gallagher, a plasma physicist at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center.
"Indeed, 99% of the universe is made of this electrified gas, known as plasma."
https://www.nasa....ere.html

Jun 26, 2019
Even if we disregard Dark Energy and Dark Matter,

Leprechaun energy is a figment of a skewed guesswork and interpretation of the properties of matter.

Faerie dust is due to the erroneous belief the gravity dominates at the largest scales, in spite of the observations.

Jun 26, 2019
Perhaps it is time for cantdrive85 aka CD85 to become a bona fide Plasma Physicist. It shouldn't be difficult at all since CD85 appears to know a great deal on the subject anyway. I would predict that a year's worth of study/research at a good university, possibly at taxpayer's expense (if Bernie Sanders becomes POTUS) and then CD85 would be able to rebuke jonesy for casting aspersions on CD's education level.

How 'bout it, CD? Are you willing?
And please give up on the 'electric sun' debacle. It is a waste of your time.

I can learn what I like to learn about without the unnecessary expense of the propaganda factories, they don't corner the market in literature and knowledge.

And there is no reason to abandon the Electric Sun theory, it is far more predictive and accurate than Eddington's Internal Combustion of Stars guesswork. Eddington's model has failed at nearly every turn but jonesdumb will defend it with religious fervor.

Jun 26, 2019
No, 99.9% of the Universe is plasma.


NASA scientist agrees 99.9% of the Universe is plasma.
"99.9 percent of the Universe is made up of plasma," says Dr. Dennis Gallagher, a plasma physicist at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center.
"Indeed, 99% of the universe is made of this electrified gas, known as plasma."
https://www.nasa....ere.html

Quoting the NASA Plasma experts you say don't know what they're doing?
If it even worked half the way you say, I'm sure these guys would be aware... AND talking about it.

Jun 26, 2019
Research indicates that magnetic fields created by plasma during a thunderstorm can induce hallucination in the human mind

Humans are essentially electronic devices. The body creates magnetic fields that extend beyond the body which will interact with other fields. There are other health effects that can arise as well, in fact cosmic rays and solar storms affect human health as well.
The MIND is the 4th Dimension;

The mind and memory may reside in these EM fields that surround the body.

Jun 26, 2019
No, 99.9% of the Universe is plasma.


NASA scientist agrees 99.9% of the Universe is plasma.
"99.9 percent of the Universe is made up of plasma," says Dr. Dennis Gallagher, a plasma physicist at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center.
"Indeed, 99% of the universe is made of this electrified gas, known as plasma."
https://www.nasa....ere.html

Quoting the NASA Plasma experts you say don't know what they're doing?
If it even worked half the way you say, I'm sure these guys would be aware... AND talking about it.

See Alfvén, Peratt, Halon Arp, Fred Hoyle, Laviolette, Birkeland et al. When one goes against the grain they are marginalized and ignored, they lose jobs and people claim they have gone looney. It's not a good career move for even the elite scientists let alone run of the mill scientists.

Jun 26, 2019
This witching hour has passed

SEU
Mirror Matter seems like a more likely and more plausible prospect than is Dark Matter. I, for one, am averse to the Dark Arts as I am not a Darkist by any means. And the unfound, unseen and unknowable Dark Matter only lives in the addled brains of such as jonesy and all other believers in Dark Woo.
We haven't heard from CD85 for some time now, granville. He may be off to the side laughing his head off. Or having a meal. Who knows?
:)

For in these Shires as this clock strikes 2:00 o'clock this morn
The sky is brightening as the dawn chorus is about to sound soon
We need to use some of the dark magic to change these time zones, SEU
says granville

I fully agree, but the official powers of the land will not bend one iota to make the clocks all over the Earth show the same numbers of hours everywhere. So, depending on our location, it could be 8 or 7 or 6 hours behind you. So rest well, granville, and avoid thinking of jonesy

Jun 26, 2019
@CD85
I have yet to create/write an Abstract that will fully encompass my diatribe in a past physorg phorum concerning the nonexistence of TIME, particularly Spacetime. I remember asking Schneib repeatedly "What is time made of?", which he never did answer to anyone's satisfaction. Of course, Schneib could not answer my query since there IS NO answer for it. Time is not a substance, object, particle, wave, liquid, gas, plasma, mass or anything which we are familiar with.
Time is only a concept that is created by the Mind out of necessity.
And yet, I still haven't readied a good Abstract for submission and review. Like you, I am well aware that MOST in the scientific community prefer to read the Abstracts from their own circle of friends and those with whom they are more familiar. My host also knows what to expect from the upper echelons of Physics and Astrophysics. He does the typing while I dictate the main body of work.
At some point I/we may locate a friendly one.

Jun 26, 2019
Two contrasting beliefs
For cantdrive is founded in science

Amusingly the Darkists see it just the opposite in spite of all their faerie dust and infinite gravity monsters. All I am proposing (Alfvén really) is to include known properties of plasmas to astrophysical plasmas. Alfvén did so by proposing galactic magnetic fields (1937),confirmed. Hydromagnetic waves (1942), confirmed. Synchrotron radiation (1950) from space, confirmed. There is much, much more he is responsible for, he is known as the father of modern plasma physics. All gleaned from laboratory experimentation and applying to space plasmas. Given there is a large scale changing magnetic field of the Milky Way, there also must be an electric field as well. An electric field has profound implications.
https://medium.co...6488ba0e
All science, no faerie dust.

Jun 27, 2019
For Science Never Ends

Cantdrive
Two contrasting beliefs
For cantdrive is founded in science
Amusingly the Darkists see it just the opposite in spite of all their faerie dust and infinite gravity monsters. All I am proposing (Alfvén really) is to include known properties of plasmas to astrophysical plasmas. Alfvén did so by proposing galactic magnetic fields (1937),confirmed. Hydromagnetic waves (1942), confirmed. Synchrotron radiation (1950) from space, confirmed. There is much, much more...

For Cantdrive
We all have our pet theories, our likes, dislikes
For our hominid foibles
Often times follow a scientific path
That over time
That path subtly changes in direction
For ignoring how this proton and its scrumptious electron came to being
As accepting like this infinite eternal vacuum
These protons and electrons are eternal as this vacuum
As you are discovering, cantdrive
This electric powerhouse
Are
These
Protons and their Scrumptious Electrons

Jun 28, 2019
"No, idiot boy, I am pointing out where clueless cretins are talking a bunch of crap, and asking them to back it up with science. That is why they run away, and can never back it up. Just a bunch of Dunning-Kruger affected morons. If they knew anything, they'd be working in the relevant science, or would have the balls to post their garbage on a physics forum, rather than a comments section. Of course, they wouldn't last very long on such fora, as they tend not to suffer idiots gladly. So the hard of thinking end up here by default."

Actually I am a member of 'Physics Forums'. One thing though that keeps many folks that post here out...no speculation allowed, there must be a published paper on the subject. Less silly that way.
I am here for the humor, and I am not disappointed.

Jun 28, 2019
"No, idiot boy, I am pointing out where clueless cretins are talking a bunch of crap, and asking them to back it up with science. That is why they run away, and can never back it up. Just a bunch of Dunning-Kruger affected morons. If they knew anything, they'd be working in the relevant science, or would have the balls to post their garbage on a physics forum, rather than a comments section. Of course, they wouldn't last very long on such fora, as they tend not to suffer idiots gladly. So the hard of thinking end up here by default."

Actually I am a member of 'Physics Forums'. One thing though that keeps many folks that post here out...no speculation allowed, there must be a published paper on the subject. Less silly that way.
I am here for the humor, and I am not disappointed.

Does jonesdumb have another cockpuppet? It sure sounds like him....

Jun 28, 2019
"No, idiot boy, I am pointing out where clueless cretins are talking a bunch of crap, and asking them to back it up with science. That is why they run away, and can never back it up. Just a bunch of Dunning-Kruger affected morons. If they knew anything, they'd be working in the relevant science, or would have the balls to post their garbage on a physics forum, rather than a comments section. Of course, they wouldn't last very long on such fora, as they tend not to suffer idiots gladly. So the hard of thinking end up here by default."

Actually I am a member of 'Physics Forums'. One thing though that keeps many folks that post here out...no speculation allowed, there must be a published paper on the subject. Less silly that way.
I am here for the humor, and I am not disappointed.

Does jonesdumb have another cockpuppet? It sure sounds like him....

Wait, it's early... Eth merely quoted him but doesn't know how to apply forum
quotes

I'm awake now...

Jun 28, 2019
Disclaimer: This material is being kept online for historical purposes. Though accurate at the time of publication, it is no longer being updated. The page may contain broken links or outdated information, and parts may not function in current web browsers. Visit NASA.gov for current information.


Bwahahahaha.

Jun 28, 2019
Disclaimer: This material is being kept online for historical purposes. Though accurate at the time of publication, it is no longer being updated. The page may contain broken links or outdated information, and parts may not function in current web browsers. Visit NASA.gov for current information.


Bwahahahaha.

If 1999 is out of date for ya, just think how out of date that pseudoscience from 1915.
BTW, weren't you going to put me on ignore after I embarrassed you in the other thread?

Jun 29, 2019
You have been on ignore for years. Occasionally I amuse myself by reading your lies and blather.

And you're on ignore for lying and trolling, and by all appearances will remain that way forever.

Meanwhile, you lied again. You're using 20-year-old data that didn't include WMAP, Planck, or the ESO (particularly ALMA) all of which have made a great deal of difference in the certainty of the data. And you'll never admit to any of it, which is what trolls are all about.

Jun 29, 2019
Meanwhile, plasma is opaque to light because it's charged. That means photons interact with it and are scattered. So if there's all this plasma, how come we can see galaxies billions of light years away?

Food for thought. Not that you'll think about it; you are, after all @cantthink because you @cantthink of anything to do but lie when you get pwnt instead of owning up to it.

Jun 29, 2019
Meanwhile, plasma is opaque to light because it's charged. That means photons interact with it and are scattered. So if there's all this plasma, how come we can see galaxies billions of light years away?

Food for thought. Not that you'll think about it; you are, after all @cantthink because you @cantthink of anything to do but lie when you get pwnt instead of owning up to it.

Some people say the most moronic things, then there is da schnied to top them all. It still can't accept facts that he doesn't want to believe.
'What is plasma?'
http://www.psfc.m...s_plasma

Jun 29, 2019
According to the Plasma Science and Fusion Center @ MIT;
"It (plasma) comprises over 99% of the visible universe."

Fusion Energy Services @ D.O.E;
"The known universe consists of over 99% plasma"
https://www.energ...sciences

ITER;
"More than 99% of the Universe exists as plasma, including interstellar matter, stars and the Sun."
https://www.iter....ngitWork

PPPL;
"Plasma is the most abundant form of visible matter in the universe – it is thought to make up 99 percent of what we see in the night sky. Plasma populates and dominates the vast regions of interstellar and interplanetary space."
https://www.pppl....asma-101

I could go on, but the point is made.

Jun 29, 2019
Hehehe
Www.pppl....plasma-101
Still debating the most basic concepts...

Jun 29, 2019
You lied again.

You always do.

What possible profit is there in reading anything you claim?

Jun 29, 2019
The point is not whether the baryonic Universe is 99% plasma - it is. The point is what certain clowns think this plasma can do. Idiotic claims, such as the above means that EM effects trump gravity over enormous distances! Schoolboy errors like that, for instance. You won't find a single plasma physicist who would agree with that. Plasma, for any Primary school children reading, consists of + and - charged particles. Overall, it is quasi-neutral. This means that when any part of a plasma becomes unbalanced, charge-wise, the plasma responds to shield the charges, and quasi-neutrality is restored. This is a fundamental part of plasma physics. Much outside the Debye length (~ 10m in the solar system), EM forces can generally have no influence. At astrophysical and cosmological scales, EM can essentially be ignored. Gravity totally dominates. As can be shown.

Jun 29, 2019
The above is not to say that there are not all kinds of fascinating and important plasma and EM phenomena going on out there. There are.! That is why we have plasma (astro)physicists. Squillions of interesting papers on the subject, many of which are free access. Take the Jupiter-Io torus. Jolly interesting. A volcanically active planet, spewing gas (which eventually becomes ionised) into the enormous magnetic field of a planet. Fascinating, and highly studied.
Or the interaction of the solar wind and IMF with the Earth's magnetic field. Lots of interesting stuff there about magnetic reconnection, aurorae, etc.
The problem the EU dolts have, is that they don't have any plasma physicists to call upon, so tend to either get confused, or just plain make s*** up.

Jun 29, 2019
Overall, it is quasi-neutral.

jonesdumb still believes that quasi-neutrality precludes electric currents in plasmas, or that the electric currents in the SW for example can only extend for no more than 10m. He believes this in spite of observation which clearly show otherwise.

https://eos.org/e...the-show
"But electric currents also occur in nature by themselves and "run the show" in outer space..."
"It is now understood that outer space is fundamentally electrical in nature."
"one can also make use of the fact that electric currents generate a magnetic field around them, which in turn can be measured, more easily, by instruments, called magnetometers. From these magnetic fields one can then infer using Maxwell's equations the underlying currents."
"Electric currents are spread out over a few hundreds of meters to tens of thousands of kilometers..."
Needless to say, jonesdumb's beliefs are old debunked nonsense.

Jun 29, 2019
At astrophysical and cosmological scales, EM can essentially be ignored. Gravity totally dominates. As can be shown.

It can only be shown if you are allowed faerie dust, but you cannot find the faerie dust so nothing has been shown. Well, nothing but the inability to understand science.

Jun 29, 2019
Direct observation by Ulysses spacecraft which show electron beams (electric currents) extending at least 4.3AU from the Sun into interplanetary space, well beyond jonesdumb's Debye length.

https://www.googl...18157166

Jun 29, 2019
Overall, it is quasi-neutral.


https://eos.org/e...the-show
"But electric currents also occur in nature by themselves and "run the show" in outer space..."
"It is now understood that outer space is fundamentally electrical in nature."
"one can also make use of the fact that electric currents generate a magnetic field around them, which in turn can be measured, more easily, by instruments, called magnetometers. From these magnetic fields one can then infer using Maxwell's equations the underlying currents."
"Electric currents are spread out over a few hundreds of meters to tens of thousands of kilometers..."

Interesting article, but the author used the word "infer" a lot...

Jun 29, 2019
The other problem with the Dunderdolts is they keep quoting research that's decades old like there hasn't been any since.

Jun 29, 2019
Overall, it is quasi-neutral.


https://eos.org/e...the-show
"But electric currents also occur in nature by themselves and "run the show" in outer space..."
"It is now understood that outer space is fundamentally electrical in nature."
"one can also make use of the fact that electric currents generate a magnetic field around them, which in turn can be measured, more easily, by instruments, called magnetometers. From these magnetic fields one can then infer using Maxwell's equations the underlying currents."
"Electric currents are spread out over a few hundreds of meters to tens of thousands of kilometers..."

Interesting article, but the author used the word "infer" a lot...

"Infer using Maxwell's equations..."
Ya know, applied science.
Faerie dust and gravity monsters are also inferred, difference being these ideas are strictly hypothetical whereas Maxwell's equations are established in reality.

Jun 29, 2019
The other problem with the Dunderdolts is they keep quoting research that's decades old like there hasn't been any since.

The electric current book I referred to was written in 2017, quite a bit more up to date than Einstein's pseudoscientific claptrap from the Gaslight era.

Jun 29, 2019
@Da Schneib
@cantdrive85.
Meanwhile, plasma is opaque to light because it's charged. That means photons interact with it and are scattered. So if there's all this plasma, how come we can see galaxies billions of light years away?
Careful, DS, that is obviously a simplistic view not consistent with reality. For example, IF your 'argument' was correct, THEN we would not see any details of the sun's activity occurring below the sun's outer corona which is very high temp plasma. Basically, the sun would be a 'black' central smudge; and the only 'image' we could receive from the sun would be the image of the corona outer surface details as the photons from that Corona's 'surface of last scattering' go to space (and further travel though the sun's SOLAR WIND to Earth and to far distant reaches where it can be seen as the 'twinkling' image of OUR 'local star'. So there is a LOT more to light traveling interstellar/intergalactic/ cosmic distances 'than meets the eye', hey? :)

Jun 29, 2019
If da schnied's moronic statement were valid we wouldn't see beyond the ionosphere, which is plasma. Doesn't even know the absolute rudimentary basics of the topic.

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