Oceans of garbage prompt war on plastics

December 15, 2018 by Amélie Bottollier-Depois
Eight million tonnes of plastic is spilled into the oceans each year, according to a study in the Science journal

Faced with images of turtles smothered by plastic bags, beaches carpeted with garbage and islands of trash floating in the oceans, environmentalists say the world is waking up to the need to tackle plastic pollution at the source.

Stories on social media of giant seas of floating waste or a beached whale found in Indonesia with six kilos (13 pounds) of plastic in its stomach are bringing into the spotlight.

"There is no question plastic is having a moment," said George Leonard, chief scientist at Ocean Conservancy.

"We are in a moment in time where we are starting to stare the problem in the face, and we're quite optimistic and hopeful that we can solve it."

Leonard and other environmental experts are optimistic the exposure will make the problem of plastics hard to ignore and focus attention on how best to deal with such waste.

Eight million tonnes of plastic is dumped into the oceans each year, according to a study in the Science journal.

But that is only what comes from the land, said Francois Galgani, researcher with the French institute Ifremer, estimating another two million tonnes could come from ships especially fishing vessels.

As a consequence more than 700 species are impacted, including turtles who confuse plastic bags with the jellyfish they eat, Galgani said.

In November, a sperm whale washed up in Indonesia with nearly six kilograms (13.2 lbs) of plastic waste in its stomach. It had ingested 115 plastic cups, four plastic bottles, 25 plastic bags, a nylon sack, two flip-flops and more than 1,000 other pieces of plastic

More than 5 billion are used every year, and a ban step by step, country by country is underway, the first phase towards a possible general ban. Bags could be followed by bans on plastic straws and cotton swabs.

The European Union wants to ban certain single-use plastics by the end of 2021. For Galgani, that would be , as it would represent around 30 to 40 percent of the plastic that ends up in the oceans.

"Everyone is working for the good cause, even industries," he said.

Cleaning up?

But according to a study in Science Advances review, from the 8.3 billion tonnes of plastic produced between 1950 and 2015, 6.3 billion tonnes became garbage that was not very biodegradable material and only 9 percent was recycled.

For Greenpeace's Mirjam Kopp, though, recycling is not enough.

"We cannot continue this business as usual, we need to change the throw-away culture we have developed," Kopp said. "We need to tackle the problem at the source.

Social media stories of plastic pollution have increased awareness, and prompted action such as an installation depicting a shark made of plastic bottles in China
"Industries are putting the blame on the consumers, saying they should recycle more, but we don't think it will help. They are responsible for the single-use plastics they put on the market."

The UN Environment agency has already declared war on plastics in the oceans and made it the environmental theme of 2018.

"We need stop treating as something that we can just throw away after we have used it, and start treating it as a material that has real value," said Petter Malvik, campaign manager for the Clean Seas campaign launched by UN-Environment in 2017.

Already around 60 countries have joined in the campaign started in 2017 to ban non-reusable plastics.

"Although bans alone won't solve the problem, they are definitely more than just a drop in the bucket," Malvik said.

Another problem is so called "ghost nets" - fishing nets lost at sea or left intentionally and which continue to catch fish for months after.

When it comes to cleaning the oceans, though, experts say the task may be far more complex. Scientists, for example, have doubts for over a giant floating clean-up device proposed by Ocean Cleanup foundation, which aims to clear half of a huge waste deposit floating in the Pacific in the next five years.

When it comes to cleaning the oceans, though, experts say the task may be far more complex

Dubbed the "Great Pacific garbage patch", the abnormal mass of floating debris caused by marine turbulence has now reached 80,000 tonnes spread over an area three times the size of France, according to a study in Scientific Reports.

And if you want to clean up the ocean, Leonard says, then the surface is not the place to start.

What floats on the surface—particles of micro-plastics and larger objects—is nothing compared to what ends up on the floor, experts say.

So what is the solution? "Degradation," says Galgani of France's Iremer institute, referring to the breakdown of plastics. But for some plastics that means a process that may take "hundreds of years".

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mrburns
1.5 / 5 (15) Dec 15, 2018
a SCIENTIFIC article would have numbers in it, like what percent of the ocean is covered with plastic, how long it takes different plastics to degrade, the economics of why plastics are not recycled or burned as fuel and the like. A scare article, written by environment Nazis seeking to control people behavior and deny them useful goods would omit such facts and instead regale the reader with heartbreaking anecdotes of innocent lovable creatures destroy by the evils of plastic.
betterexists
1 / 5 (2) Dec 15, 2018
SOLUTION: Find out Microbes that can Survive/Thrive on Plastics. If necessary, CREATE Them ; Oceans (3/4 of the Planet) can take such microbes too and we don't use Sea water to Quench our Thirst either !
Oceanic Fauna seem to be bored. They need some dolls to chew on, no ?
wailuku1943
4.4 / 5 (14) Dec 15, 2018
a SCIENTIFIC article would have numbers in it, like what percent of the ocean is covered with plastic, how long it takes different plastics to degrade, the economics of why plastics are not recycled or burned as fuel and the like. A scare article, written by environment Nazis seeking to control people behavior and deny them useful goods would omit such facts and instead regale the reader with heartbreaking anecdotes of innocent lovable creatures destroy by the evils of plastic.


Somebody's confusing a press release with a scientific article. Why don't you truck down to your local university library and read the actual article? Afraid of reading something you can't understand? Your post suggests you are, but hey -- give it a try, then come back and discuss.

But first, do try to get the PR vs scientific paper thing straight in your head.
humy
4.4 / 5 (14) Dec 15, 2018
... A scare article, written by environment Nazis seeking to control people behavior and deny them useful goods ....
mrburns

Oh my god! What planet are you on? So any report about an environmental problem must be a Nazi conspiracy against capitalism to deny us "useful goods"! For what purpose? I don't even see how this would even benefit the Nazis. This is sure delusional.
szore88
1.8 / 5 (5) Dec 15, 2018
Thank, you Science! You guys are so enlightened!
betterexists
5 / 5 (2) Dec 15, 2018
SOLUTION: Find out Microbes that can Survive/Thrive on Plastics. If necessary, CREATE Them ; Oceans (3/4 of the Planet) can take such microbes too and we don't use Sea water to Quench our Thirst either !Oceanic Fauna seem to be bored. They need some dolls to chew on, no ?
Ideonella sakaiensis 201-F6 could digest the plastic used to make single-use drinks bottles, polyethylene terephthalate (PET). It works by secreting an enzyme (a type of protein that can speed up chemical reactions) known as PETase. This splits certain chemical bonds (esters) in PET, leaving smaller molecules that the bacteria can absorb, using the carbon in them as a food source.
http://theconvers...ns-95233
betterexists
5 / 5 (1) Dec 15, 2018
Scientists accidentally created mutant enzyme that eats plastic bottles. Research was spurred by discovery of 1st Bacterium that had naturally evolved to eat plastic. Scientists revealed detailed structure of the crucial enzyme & tweaked the enzyme to see how it had evolved, but they had inadvertently made the molecule even better at breaking down PET plastic. "What actually turned out was we improved the enzyme, which was a bit of a shock. It's great and a real finding," said Prof McGeehan.
Eikka
2.3 / 5 (6) Dec 15, 2018
For Greenpeace's Mirjam Kopp, though, recycling is not enough.

"We cannot continue this business as usual, we need to change the throw-away culture we have developed," Kopp said. "We need to tackle the problem at the source.


Right, so go to Indonesia to complain about it. Banning the use of TicTac boxes in in London isn't going to make a lick of difference - it's just political and social trolling, preaching to the choir who already keep their plastics from getting into the sea.

The point of Greenpeace isn't to clean up the world, but to make money and politics by complaining about it.
betterexists
3 / 5 (2) Dec 15, 2018
Science is on its way. Don't you Worry.
Cashmere Goats grew 20% Longer Fur after Preventing FGF5 Gene; Lambs were too large to be birthed naturally after their MSTN Genes were deleted. So, Caesarean Section was used to deliver them. Cattle was Genetically Engineered to be born without Horns, obviating the need to dehorn them using Sharp Blades.
https://www.wsj.c...44808779
Eikka
2.3 / 5 (6) Dec 15, 2018
For what purpose?


Moral entrepreneurship.

https://en.wikipe...epreneur
It's about framing matters in a way that makes them a problem, thus defining to the people that they should be concerned about something that wasn't an issue before, and therefore give social, economical, and political power to the moral entrepreneur to fix this issue.

When there is a legitimate issue, like having lead in the gasoline or corporations using child labor, the moral entrepreneurs who pick up the issue can do good as a side effect of their self-serving activities, but soon enough when they run out of real issues they start making them up as they go. Then they attempt to convince everyone else that something is wrong, and gradually influence the values of the society to profit from the conflict between what is and what they claim ought to be.

Basically, "progressivism" in a nutshell. The argument that nothing we ever have is good enough.
betterexists
2.3 / 5 (3) Dec 15, 2018
Cattle was Genetically Engineered to be born without Horns, obviating the need to dehorn them using Sharp Blades.

http://www.scienc...no-horns
humy
3.9 / 5 (11) Dec 15, 2018
Eikka

So you are so gullible as to buy mrburn's clearly implied claim that any report about an environmental problem must be a Nazi conspiracy against capitalism to deny us "useful goods"?

There is obviously more than one real nutjob here.
The problem with these world wide mass conspiracy theories such as flat earth conspiracy and fake moon landings etc is that there would have to be far too many people involved with widely different and diverse interests and opinions for it to work. With such a mass conspiracy, it would take just a few days if not mere hours for it to be totally blown wide open with millions of scientists and various other people falling over each other trying to become world famous and immobilized in recorded history for being the one that blow the conspiracy wide open. There might even indirectly be big money for it for the one that is seen as the one that blew it although there would be huge numbers of the simultaneously blowing it.
humy
5 / 5 (1) Dec 15, 2018
-my misedit: that should have ended with;
"........huge numbers of them simultaneously blowing it."
tblakely1357
2.1 / 5 (7) Dec 15, 2018
-So you are so gullible as to buy mrburn's clearly implied claim that any report about an environmental problem must be a Nazi conspiracy against capitalism to deny us "useful goods"?-

Godwin alert. Environmentalists have a long history of false eco-apocalypse prophecies and their solution to those prophesies is always the same.... mass transfer of wealth to unaccountable international elites and the degradation of human rights and living standards.

The core of environmentalism is a deep abiding hatred of humanity. As such it's no surprise that most of their policies is aimed an making people's lives more miserable.
Old_C_Code
4.2 / 5 (5) Dec 15, 2018
I'm no fan of political motivations, but cleaning up plastic can only be a good thing.
greenonions1
4.3 / 5 (6) Dec 15, 2018
Eikka says
It's about framing matters in a way that makes them a problem
So what do we do when there is a problem Eikka? We can't identify, and study the problem - cuz you will accuse us of 'framing matters in a way... You see there actually are such things as problems - and we need to use our resources to understand those problems, and craft solutions to those problems. But rather than be intelligent about problems - and pro-active about crafting solutions to those problems - we have to be shut down - out of fear of threatening their precious little sand castle of neo-liberal capitalist privilege.
https://serc.carl...ics.html
KenMitchell
3.3 / 5 (7) Dec 15, 2018
95% of all plastic waste in the oceans flows from 10 rivers in Asia and Africa. Cleaning up Chinese riverbanks will have an ENORMOUS effect on reducing plastics in the oceans. On the other hand, we could utterly eliminate plastic use in Europe and the Americas (at enormous cost!) without having ANY impact on the problem.
Eikka
2.3 / 5 (3) Dec 15, 2018
So what do we do when there is a problem Eikka? We can't identify, and study the problem - cuz you will accuse us of 'framing matters in a way...


There's nothing wrong with that per se - just as long as we don't forget what was just done.

Brewing up problems has to be followed with estimation about whether they really are such terrible issues - not with further propaganda and social engineering to make everyone believe so regardless.
Eikka
3 / 5 (4) Dec 15, 2018

So you are so gullible as to buy mrburn's clearly implied claim that any report about an environmental problem must be a Nazi conspiracy against capitalism to deny us "useful goods"?


No, but I can sympathize with the sentiment.

Last time I heard someone propose that we should eat crickets instead of chicken to save on the environment, it wasn't a week until some bleeding heart greenie came up saying what a travesty it is to eat insects because they too have a sense of self-preservation and a will to live. It's that sort of everything-is-wrong sentiment that pervades the worse half of the environmentalist movement.

It seems, if you comply, they'll simply find another thing to complain about, because the point all along wasn't to right a wrong but to complain, to get attention, and thereby money and power. As long as people keep jumping to their whistle, they have it.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (4) Dec 15, 2018
@greenonions
What do we do? Besides recycling everything that does not break down like bread crumbs, for instance, humans would do best to GO OUT THERE AND CLEAN UP THE MESS THEY CAUSED. NO EXCUSES, except for small children and the disabled elderly. But even the elderly could do their part to recycle, even if they cannot go to clean up the beaches and waterways.

This whole plastics problem is an atrocity. It is scandalous what humans have done to this once beautiful and pristine planet and the innocent animals/life forms that provide humans with food from the seas. And I am not talking about the plastics makers - only the humans who have no desire to do what is right when after they have used plastics.
When is the last time that you have heard it on the radio, TV and read it in the print media to RECYCLE your garbage/trash??? Never, you say? Then isn't it about time that the DEMAND goes out to ALL of the media to GO PUBLIC with this news and its obvious solutions?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (4) Dec 15, 2018
It is easy enough to come into the physorg site and talk about the terrible things that are happening to the Earth's environment and a possible future COLLAPSE of the Earth's resources that humans depend on. You can talk and talk 24/7/365 about the delicate situation to each other - and then go on to another topic - forgetting what you have said here. Talk is cheap.
Call your politicians and DEMAND that all radio and TV stations give a certain amount of time each day to the recklessness of the human attitude that prevents them from committing to a clean and better world than it is at present - and to continue the cleanup for all time.
I'll wager that none of you would do such a thing as I've suggested - because, in truth, none of you give a damn about the Earth, its resources, its pristine environment and the innocence of its oceanic life forms.
Shootist
1 / 5 (3) Dec 15, 2018
97% of plastics in the ocean come from 6 or 7 rivers in Asia.

Go complain to someone else.

It is easy enough to come into the physorg site and talk about the terrible things . . .
Call your politicians and DEMAND . . . the innocence of its oceanic life forms.


Rubbish.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Dec 15, 2018
Yes. It originates in the southeast Asia, crosses the Pacific Ocean and collects in the West coast of the US. So it still has to be cleaned up here, regardless of where it originated.
humy
5 / 5 (7) Dec 16, 2018
The core of environmentalism is a deep abiding hatred of humanity..

I have seen no evidence of this and one doesn't have to believe in environmentalism to observe and report an environmental problem or be rationally concerned about one.
Was the law passed in the UK banning lead in petrol, so that children wouldn't continue to be brain damaged by lead, made because those concerned people had a "deep abiding hatred of humanity"? -No, the exact opposite. It was done out of compassion. The same obviously goes for the people that don't want too much global warming and you would be totally delusional to think otherwise. To actually believe it is done to deny us "useful goods" means you are just another nutjob.
greenonions1
4.3 / 5 (6) Dec 16, 2018
because, in truth, none of you give a damn about the Earth
What a crazy thing to say. You know nothing about what other people are doing in their lives. If you think the appropriate response to seeing the current environmental crisis - is to call your politicians.... Then do it. Let others decide their paths.
greenonions1
4.2 / 5 (5) Dec 16, 2018
Eikka
because the point all along wasn't to right a wrong but to complain, to get attention, and thereby money and power
Because I have so much money and power? Wow - you think all people are Conservatives like Herr Trump - and want nothing but money and power. You are wrong. Maybe the scientist - who is studying the situation with the melting arctic (just for example) - actually cares about the ecosystem of the arctic - and wants to help the human race understand the situation - and have the data to make good decisions as we go forward. Maybe not everyone is a sociopath - as you obviously believe.
JaxPavan
2.1 / 5 (7) Dec 16, 2018
@MrBurns,

"a SCIENTIFIC article would have numbers in it, like what percent of the ocean is covered with plastic, how long it takes different plastics to degrade, the economics of why plastics are not recycled or burned as fuel and the like. A scare article, written by environment Nazis seeking to control people behavior and deny them useful goods would omit such facts and instead regale the reader with heartbreaking anecdotes of innocent lovable creatures destroy by the evils of plastic."

Spot on. This environmental concern could have been addressed years ago, or years from now. It's getting politicized media play right now because of concern over peak oil. Basically, the colluding class wants to hide it from you while moderating the demand for resources likely to come up short and throw pricing or supply out of whack. That way current global economic models don't have to be rebalanced as much.
humy
5 / 5 (5) Dec 16, 2018
"a SCIENTIFIC article would have numbers in it,"

Not necessarily. It may leave out the boring numbers that the layperson reader wouldn't be interested in and instead just state what those numbers mean. But those numbers still exist.

"like what percent of the ocean is covered with plastic, "

-which is impossible to define let alone measure so that's an idiotic suggestion. Lets suppose there is known to be exactly 1kg of various bits of floating plastic on a particular 1km square area of ocean washing around within a depth of a few meters; What percent of that 1km square area of ocean is "covered in plastic"? If there is a plastic bag that is continuously washing around in the waves, sometimes momentarily being just underneath the surface and sometimes momentarily partly being exposed on the surface, how do you define and measure how much of the ocean it "covers"? Even when it is on the surface, it depends on how it is folded or scrunched up thus impossible to define.

humy
5 / 5 (4) Dec 16, 2018
--- And, Clearly, anyone that makes such statements and/or thinks they make sense doesn't understand how science works. Unlike many articles I have seen recently some of which are about the environment, I so far haven't spotted anything in this article that seems unscientific. The complaints about it posted here are just complete nonsense.
rrwillsj
3 / 5 (4) Dec 16, 2018
Yhe denialists are idiots.
The woomongers are idiots.
The cultists are idiots.
The trumpsterfire crime family are idiots.
As are all the rest of pimp putin's whores.

You can try to educate the ignorant but stupid is forever!

I encourage these losers & posers to gobble away on this site. Provides the Social Sciences & Mental Health students monitoring the comments, with a lot of thesis material. Maybe you clowns aren't totally useless?

However, these vermin are all over the global internet. Spreading misinformation & outright lies. That include influencing so many of the gullible to not permit their children immunization against preventable diseases.

I wouldn't particularly voice an objection if it was just the adult ignorant who were dying. However, the deliberate campaign against immunization kills our future.

I'm sure you cultists are cheering the child death rate. But since for you it's all about the profit? Your efforts are killing your future customers.
Old_C_Code
2.3 / 5 (3) Dec 16, 2018
rr: Idiots can't: read, write, or log online. IQ = 0-24, Imbecile IQ 25-49, Moron IQ 50-79

Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Dec 16, 2018
One thing is for certain - that all of those plastics are made from a fossil fuel called "crude oil" - no matter in which form that oil has been made into.
Polyesters - vinyl - rayon - dacron - and many more, all those plastic materials/objects that make life often easier to live and enjoy. Your TV, computer, flash drives, DVDs. clothing, shoes/sneakers, the vinyl seat in your car, appliances, bedding, medical equipment, plastics used in the ISS and in spacesuits - all produced from that oil in the ground that you all hate so much.

I know that certain agencies/organisations/scientists are doing everything possible to stop the drilling for oil and the products derived from that oil, and that one of the best ways is to advertise how products made from oil are polluting the environments. There are some in every nation that couldn't care less what happens to the land/air/water, so they will continue to pollute, and it will be left for everyone else to clean up after them.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2 / 5 (4) Dec 16, 2018
Yhe denialists are idiots.
The woomongers are idiots.
The cultists are idiots.
The trumpsterfire crime family are idiots.
And I'm also an idiot.
As are all the rest of pimp putin's whores.

You can try to educate the ignorant but stupid is forever!...
However, these vermin are all over the global internet. Spreading misinformation & outright lies. That include influencing so many of the gullible to not permit their children immunization against preventable diseases.
I wouldn't particularly voice an objection if it was just the adult ignorant who were dying. However, the deliberate campaign against immunization kills our future.
I'm sure you cultists are cheering the child death rate. But since for you it's all about the profit? Your efforts are killing your future customers.
says rrwilliejoe

But williejoe - wasn't that the whole purpose of the abortion clinics that you have championed in the past?
I thought that you would be delighted to see children dying.
24volts
3.5 / 5 (2) Dec 17, 2018
Well, it wouldn't solve the continued dumping but there is a company out there that is grinding all types of plastic up except styrofoam and using superheated steam and hydraulic compression to make building blocks out of the stuff. If a few ships designed to scoop up the plastic on the surface were built with those systems installed much of the stuff in the middle of the Pacific could be recycled. There are plenty of places in the world where fairly cheap plastic building blocks would be a blessing. Build the ships with nuclear power plants and the costs of running the ships wouldn't be too bad either. No more than any other military type vessel with that type of power plant. It wouldn't take very many people to man the ships either if the recycling systems were mostly automated. Have a cargo ship go out and offload the collector ships every so often and they could stay out there cleaning up for years if needed.
humy
5 / 5 (2) Dec 17, 2018
... If a few ships designed to scoop up the plastic on the surface were built with ...

I think that idea is a nonstarter at least for most of the plastic that is in the oceans because it is just far too spread out thinly to ever be practical to scoop it all up or even merely most of it up even if you had a million such ships.

However, that said, the waves and tides and currents and storms etc sometimes have an effect of concentrating much of the plastic on a relatively small area of ocean and it might be a reasonable idea to design just a few ships to at least scoop much of the plastic up selectively only from those few 'plastic hotspots'; probably wouldn't do much good in the context of the larger problem but, surely I think, must be better than doing absolutely nothing!
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (1) Dec 17, 2018
I dont know if this problem is solvable or not. Producing this material in persistent form, and knowing that it would unavoidably end up destroying ecosystems, reveals an unprecedented level of irresponsibility. And this is not by far the only example.

It's like we are being forced off this planet by destroying it under our feet.

To hatch a chicken you've got to break the egg.
betterexists
3 / 5 (2) Dec 17, 2018
Make sure that ALL Plastic from Trash Cans is ground into Fine powder, before it is dumped in the landfill. If rains do carry that powder into the oceans, it sure will move from Mouth-To-Rear of Fauna undigested. Let them make a call to W.H if they suffer from some stomachache because of it. Thus, No Problem whatsoever. Also, Punish those at Beaches if they are tossing plastic bottles into Sea Water !
Captain Stumpy
1 / 5 (1) Dec 17, 2018
@24
If a few ships designed to scoop up the plastic on the surface were built with those systems installed
as @Humy noted, this is a good idea if you focus the collections on the large concentrations of plastics in the areas like the Great Pacific Garbage Patch
https://en.wikipe...ge_patch

the problem I see would be the ship, it's propulsion type, length at sea as well as curbing pollution elsewhere

If it's got a crew you're going to have to provide food, etc, which generates more garbage - where do they drop it?

Then there is the propulsion - not sure if nuke is the way to go
I wonder if they can't automate a drone like this: https://ieeexplor...6693265/

mostly, I see the cost being prohibitive - will you get a decent return on a manned ship?
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (1) Dec 17, 2018
Make sure that ALL Plastic from Trash Cans is ground into Fine powder
And how are you going to convince the Malaysians to do this? As I understand it most of the pacific plastic comes from south asian countries who are dumping their junk into the ocean and dont care whether you approve or not.

And theres no way to stop them from making this stuff and doing whatever they want with it.

And most of it is on the ocean floor.
rrwillsj
1 / 5 (1) Dec 17, 2018
Oh segue, you & the rest of the American taliban have been terrorizing Health Clinics to close across the nation.

Resulting in a spike of deaths among women & girls. Using the excuse that a pinpoint of unformed cells are more important than the lives & health of the beleagured women & girls.

Now you religious fanatics are spreading your campaigns of anti-science & anti-female. To deny all medical care for anyone who is not a member of your misogynist little boy's club.

Your fake patriotism denying women the same liberty to defend their own lives that you insist you have a sacred entitlement.

Your blatant hypocrisy showing your lack of Civic Virtue, that only you have any Civil Rights.

& that only you can define the words of an implausible deity to match whatever political sedition your warped mind considers profitable.
snoosebaum
5 / 5 (1) Dec 17, 2018
if anyone tries to clean this up somebody will try to stop them , you can't fix stupid .

i've noticed that pictures like the one above are of areas where floating waste concentrates , ideal points for collection , for use as fuel or new usefull products
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Dec 17, 2018
LOL Oh rrwilliejoe
Your hypocrisy is all too evident - once again. Perhaps you really meant say "DEATH CLINICS", not health clinics since those abortion clinics that I mentioned are for the elimination of living foetuses or full-term babies for the sake of a woman's convenience. Very seldom is it to preserve her own health but to keep herself FREE from being tied down to another small human being. And the majority of these aborted foetuses/infants are Black - so that these abortion clinics are also RACIST as well as DEATH MILLS.
German concentration camps couldn't have done better at murdering innocent human beings than your taxpayer-funded abortion "clinics".

"Beleaguered women and girls".
Oh, you are talking about those women and girls who don't want a baby but can't control their urge to open their legs to some guy who also doesn't want a baby to support for ~21 years, including college tuition. Isn't that right, willie joe?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Dec 17, 2018
-contd-
@rrwilliejoe

There was a time when YOU were once an, as you say, "pinpoint of unformed cells", and yet - here you are - able to exhibit your MURDEROUS INSTINCTS through your allegiance to the killing fields that is the abortion clinics. And yet, you profess to love and care about women and girls.
Well, guess what, williejoe - GIRL FOETUSES/INFANTS are also being aborted - the abortion clinics don't only murder and dissect boys by plunging scissors into their brains and remove the brain from their skulls - FUTURE WOMEN AND GIRLS ARE ALSO BEING ABORTED, williejoe.
And it is you and those like you who OWN IT.
So williejoe - you can keep your fake weeping for women and girls and their RIGHTS to yourself.
Your tears of anguish for them (women and girls who can't keep their vaginas closed) are falling on deaf eyes, williejoe - and religion or lack of manmade religion has absolutely NOTHING to do with it. YOU'RE AN ADVOCATE FOR MURDER, williejoe
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Dec 17, 2018
if anyone tries to clean this up somebody will try to stop them , you can't fix stupid .

i've noticed that pictures like the one above are of areas where floating waste concentrates , ideal points for collection , for use as fuel or new usefull products
says snooiebaum

There is no way to completely eliminate the plastics of whatever size on this planet. It could all be collected and transported to a storage facility, but it is STILL HERE on Earth. They can TRY to make use of it by burning it and other methods - but it remains in some other form. CO2 and perhaps a liquid sludge that could eventually pollute aquifers and such.

The ONLY way to get rid of it OFF the planet - is to send it into outer space and drag it into a trajectory that will eventually carry it into the Sun. The Sun in this SS is the ultimate trash bin, wouldn't you agree? You get rid of the CO2 and other chemicals, as well as the unsightly mess that it causes. A good commercial venture, I'd say
snoosebaum
5 / 5 (1) Dec 17, 2018
the sun ? pigs grow wings first . there are lots of practical solutions
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Dec 17, 2018
Lots of solutions, yes. But until every piece/particle/smidgen of used plastics are collected and something good done with it - it is still an eyesore and it is still choking/killing sea animals and some that live on land. It isn't like humans have a million years to wait to accomplish this cleanup.
It is imperative that it is done yesterday - not just soon. And those Asians, etc have to be reeducated to clean up their messes - perhaps with a small stipend for each tonne?
But if it isn't done SOONER than later, the stuff will be found in HUMAN bodies as well, if not already.
But yes, the Sun is the perfect place to recycle plastics if NASA or Elon Musk could be convinced to cart the trash off the Earth. And the plastics manufacturers will continue to make the products, and that requires more drilling for oil.
rrwillsj
not rated yet Dec 18, 2018
Ahh, segue revels in the garbage of his mind!

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