Observation of the hyperfine spectrum of antihydrogen

August 3, 2017
Close-up of the ALPHA apparatus. Credit: CERN

A Canadian-led investigation has opened a new chapter in antimatter research. In a study published today in Nature, the ALPHA Collaboration, which includes 50 physicists from 17 institutions, reports the first detailed observation of spectral lines from an antimatter atom.

"Spectral lines are like fingerprints," says lead author Michael Hayden, a Simon Fraser University physics professor. "Every element has its own unique pattern."

There is one (possible) exception: matter and are believed to be mirror images of one another, and so the spectral lines of antimatter should be precisely the same as those of their normal atom counterparts. Whether or not this is true is unknown. Until now, scientists have only had glimpses of antimatter spectral lines, and comparisons with normal matter spectral lines have been coarse.

The ALPHA Collaboration studies antihydrogen, the antimatter counterpart of the ordinary hydrogen atom. Their experimental results show a particular set of in antihydrogen match those in hydrogen very well. The team plans to zoom in much closer to check if subtle discrepancies exist between the two atoms on a yet finer scale.

Conducted at the CERN laboratory in Geneva, the research involves irradiating with microwaves, similar to those used to communicate with satellites. When this is done, the anti-atoms reveal their identity by emitting or absorbing energy at very specific frequencies. That pattern, or spectrum, of frequencies corresponds to the "fingerprint" described by Hayden.

"One of the challenges we face is that matter and antimatter annihilate when they come into contact with one another," says Justine Munich, an SFU physics PhD candidate. "We have to keep them apart. We can't just put our anti-atoms into an ordinary container. They have to be trapped or held inside a special magnetic bottle."

"By studying the properties of anti-atoms we hope to learn more about the universe in which we live," says Hayden. "We can make antimatter in the lab, but it doesn't seem to exist naturally except in miniscule quantities. Why is this? We simply don't know. But perhaps can give us some clues."

Explore further: ALPHA observes light spectrum of antimatter for first time

More information: M. Ahmadi et al. Observation of the hyperfine spectrum of antihydrogen, Nature (2017). DOI: 10.1038/nature23446

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Hyperfuzzy
1 / 5 (3) Aug 03, 2017
Matter and antimatter do not annihilate each other. The orbiting plus charge collides with orbiting negative charge; this instability we call annihilation. The charges are the same with opposite orbiters and nuclei.

I conjecture useful for controlled propulsion.

Remember the charge and the field are the same. The field centers are what you say is annihilated. Suggest, check you methods.
Hyperfuzzy
1 / 5 (3) Aug 03, 2017
Note: Any aggregate mass that contains matter and anti-matter will either stabilize to only one or blow up. Matter always settles on 1 and only 1 type of orbiter.
Ojorf
5 / 5 (4) Aug 04, 2017
Matter and antimatter do not annihilate each other. The orbiting plus charge collides with orbiting negative charge; this instability we call annihilation..


So you are saying that when matter and antimatter collide it causes an instability we call annihilation, but they do not annihilate each other.
Makes sense.
Hyperfuzzy
1 / 5 (2) Aug 04, 2017
Matter and antimatter do not annihilate each other. The orbiting plus charge collides with orbiting negative charge; this instability we call annihilation..


So you are saying that when matter and antimatter collide it causes an instability we call annihilation, but they do not annihilate each other.
Makes sense.

you got it
antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (3) Aug 04, 2017
you got it

*slaps hand over eyes*

He was being sarcastic. This positive/negative charge annihilation is total stupidity (not least of which because neutrons and antineutrons also annihilate)
Dingbone
Aug 04, 2017
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Hyperfuzzy
1 / 5 (2) Aug 04, 2017
Remember anti-matter was postulated with QM, LOL, non-causal nonsense, and observed in a cloud chamber, WTF. No questions? Charge is conserved and does not have mass. There exist only the two polarities. What sort of logic calls a positive charge an anti-electron as a distinct particle when particles do not exist, only the field exist and is identified by the field centers. Funny thing spherical fields, there are only the two no matter how you name them. Ignorance is always incorrect. Lighten up! But this is hilarious. I mean this in a good way, I'm an Engineer explaining why I'm correct!
Hyperfuzzy
1 / 5 (2) Aug 04, 2017
What I meant to say, thought I did, differently polarized orbiters create instability.. But please prove me wrong without the nonsense.
Seeker2
not rated yet Aug 04, 2017
He was being sarcastic. This positive/negative charge annihilation is total stupidity (not least of which because neutrons and antineutrons also annihilate)
I was thinking the CMBR was the result of electron/positron annihilation.
Da Schneib
not rated yet Aug 04, 2017
He was being sarcastic. This positive/negative charge annihilation is total stupidity (not least of which because neutrons and antineutrons also annihilate)
I was thinking the CMBR was the result of electron/positron annihilation.
No, that was much earlier.
Seeker2
not rated yet Aug 04, 2017
Charge is conserved and does not have mass.
Would be pretty tricky to track electrons in a cloud chamber if they had no mass.
antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (3) Aug 05, 2017
What I meant to say, thought I did, differently polarized orbiters create instability.

Unstable orbits would radiate (emit photons) all the time because of conservation of momentum. Atoms don't radiate.

There. You're proven wrong. Will you learn anything from it? Sure as hell not.
Hyperfuzzy
1 / 5 (2) Aug 05, 2017
What I meant to say, thought I did, differently polarized orbiters create instability.

Unstable orbits would radiate (emit photons) all the time because of conservation of momentum. Atoms don't radiate.

There. You're proven wrong. Will you learn anything from it? Sure as hell not.

You are ill informed, photons do not exist. QM existence proof is nonsense. All motion of these centers we call charge radiates. Think of the entire field as an object, the wake moves at the speed of light away from the center. The centers move as described by Coulomb, empirical, undeniable, axiomatic! Atoms do radiate, the orbiter's, when the atom moves, etc.
Hyperfuzzy
1 / 5 (2) Aug 05, 2017
Charge is conserved and does not have mass.
Would be pretty tricky to track electrons in a cloud chamber if they had no mass.

Why?
Seeker2
not rated yet Aug 05, 2017
The radius of the track would be zero zilch nada.
antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (5) Aug 05, 2017
photons do not exist.

I think you're pretty alone in that belief.

the wake moves at the speed of light away from the center.

Wow...first you claim photons do not exist and then you talk about the 'speed of light'...do you ever listen to what you say? The amount of crazy in your posts is staggering. Time to put you back on ignore.
Hyperfuzzy
1 / 5 (2) Aug 05, 2017
photons do not exist.

I think you're pretty alone in that belief.

the wake moves at the speed of light away from the center.

Wow...first you claim photons do not exist and then you talk about the 'speed of light'...do you ever listen to what you say? The amount of crazy in your posts is staggering. Time to put you back on ignore.

Your response is only negative without support. So ignorable. The field is continuous, disprove that!
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (1) Aug 05, 2017
It's the poking around in these areas where we think we know it all but no one has ever looked that will eventually yield new physics. This might not be where we'll find it; antimatter and matter may turn out to be exactly symmetric. But we don't know until we look. This is not gaudy, it's not "earth shattering," but one time, one of these investigations will be. The first thing you learn is you always have to wait. This is #realscience.
Seeker2
not rated yet Aug 06, 2017
The field is continuous, disprove that!
Why?
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (1) Aug 06, 2017
@hyperfuz fail
Your response is only negative without support
so was yours

in fact, you have absolutely no evidence at all whatsoever except your claims, whereas a cursory search of just "photons" brings up this: https://www.nist....ing-apps

that alone proves you're wrong about their existence

then you go from unsupported conjecture of your beliefs straight into Russels Teapot
The field is continuous, disprove that!
how about this: prove your comment

start by showing that photons don't exist, then falsify the linked photon detector
when that is done, we will search for validation of said evidence

surely it should be easy to provide something more than just because you "said so" if you're so sure of it, eh?

or is this a zeph/eu ploy?
you have a web-site or blog, so it must be true!
LOL
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (1) Aug 06, 2017
Noted nobody has the patience to wait.

We have to be better than this if we want to be as good as #realscience is.
nikola_milovic_378
Aug 06, 2017
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Hyperfuzzy
1 / 5 (1) Aug 10, 2017
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (2) Aug 10, 2017
https://www.facebook.com/goalcast/videos/1520326181377900/
nice video
a better one and more relevant: https://www.youtu...bQIlu4mk

just because you can come up with an answer doesn't mean you know how to think - it just means you know how to come up with an answer that some people will accept as being good enough for them

this is done all the time by religions and cults around the world, hence their popularity

the great thing about science, and scientists, is that they live on the frontiers of knowledge, so almost everything they do they have to figure out

and also have to figure out how to narrow the possibles to be the best choice, to predict and match observation... and then refine, etc

this usually means evidence

claims without evidence that directly contradict known validated science are not clear thinking or better; usually it's just pseudoscience or faith based belief

evidence will be the key factor
Hyperfuzzy
1 / 5 (1) Aug 10, 2017


evidence will be the key factor

So is charge a spherical field or does those scientist, who got it wrong, are more right, or I, being right, cannot think. OK, it don't matter either way.
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (2) Aug 11, 2017
@hyper
or does those scientist, who got it wrong, are more right
[sic]
the great thing about the scientific method is that there are no authorities

so again, even though you quoted it, i will repeat it because you seem to have missed the point: evidence will be the key factor

you say the scientists got it wrong: so prove it
and if you can get it validated, all the better
until then - you're not even in the running
OK, it don't matter either way
it does matter
it matters because making the claim "or does those scientist, who got it wrong"[sic] requires proof that they're wrong

and that proof must be equivalent to or superior to their evidence

claims without evidence are no better than religious beliefs because they require the listener or reader to accept the point on faith, not evidence

Hyperfuzzy
not rated yet Aug 11, 2017
@hyper
or does those scientist, who got it wrong, are more right
[sic]
the great thing about the scientific method is that there are no authorities

so again, even though you quoted it, i will repeat it because you seem to have missed the point: evidence will be the key factor

you say the scientists got it wrong: so prove it
and if you can get it validated, all the better
until then - you're not even in the running
OK, it don't matter either way
it does matter
it matters because making the claim "or does those scientist, who got it wrong"[sic] requires proof that they're wrong

and that proof must be equivalent to or superior to their evidence

claims without evidence are no better than religious beliefs because they require the listener or reader to accept the point on faith, not evidence


Is that a yes or no? Based on the evidence. By the way are you the scientific police? Then you are doing a very bad job. Shutting down logic 'cause
Captain Stumpy
not rated yet Aug 11, 2017
@hyper
Is that a yes or no? Based on the evidence
if you can't figure it out based upon the clear, concise pointed argument, then i don't know what to tell ya other than: "stick to waffle house jobs"
By the way are you the scientific police?
are you a pseudoscience acolyte?

the only "science police" i've ever seen are forensic scientists
but if you mean the enforcement of the scientific method, then all scientists are the "science police" as failure to comply means your reputation is trash
Then you are doing a very bad job. Shutting down logic 'cause
[sic]
if you think the introduction of logic to narrow the pseudoscience from the science is "doing a very bad job" because it's shutting down your "logic" then perhaps you are talking pseudoscience, eh?
Hyperfuzzy
not rated yet Aug 11, 2017
@hyper
Is that a yes or no? Based on the evidence
if you can't figure it out based upon the clear, concise pointed argument, then i don't know what to tell ya other than: "stick to waffle house jobs" .... eh?

eh, truth matters. Your concise evidence is incorrect, else what is this paper still trying to prove! Exactly, it states no difference of matter and antimatter. So no one knows what matter is made. I do. Do you?
Captain Stumpy
not rated yet Aug 11, 2017
eh, truth matters
@hyper
truth is subjective unless you are specifically referring to it being used to mean being in accord with fact or reality
So no one knows what matter is made. I do. Do you?
quick question: are you stating that you hold a specific point of knowledge about matter that is known only to you due to reasons you can't elucidate?

the reason for said question:
you may think you know what matter is
however, it really all depends upon the evidence presented

my knowledge of the constituents of matter comes from the current MS science knowledge

if you choose to describe it in any other way, then i would suggest skipping past that post and either:

1- collecting your nobel, assuming you have evidence
or
2- going into therapy and getting on meds

so either your follow up explanation of what matter is will be pseudoscience or science

either way, it's not really relevant
Hyperfuzzy
not rated yet Aug 14, 2017
eh, truth matters
@hyper
truth is subjective ...

This is a conversation on Physics, not conversational logic. Formal logic is expected. However, you may state any fuzzy logic, i.e. a method of evaluating Truth. Both may define physics when 'properly' stated, i.e. The Formal Logic, Necessary and Sufficient.

So I'm saying, IKBSWIHI!
nikola_milovic_378
Aug 16, 2017
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Aug 16, 2017
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Aug 16, 2017
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Hyperfuzzy
not rated yet Aug 16, 2017
The infinite universe is filled with ETHER substance from which the substance is formed: the "solid" and "liquid" state of matter. "Solid state" causes gravity, "fluid state" of matter, causes magnetism (the appearance of magnetism).
Antimatter, dark matter and dark energy do not exist in the universe, nor does the universe expand, nor are Einstein's theories and Lorenz's transformations valid.
Science has not yet figured out why our Moon always has one and its same side facing Earth, and go to the stupid BB, hence they bring their fictitious tales into which tycoon scientists become. A GREAT DISGRACE FOR SCIENCE !!

There is only charge. Charge and the charge's field, same thang! juz say'n Not whatever pops into your mind!
nikola_milovic_378
Aug 17, 2017
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Aug 17, 2017
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Hyperfuzzy
not rated yet Aug 17, 2017
@Hyperfuzzy, yes, it is true that something has been broken in my mind and now I have no problems, because the mind can not contaminate my consciousness, which leads me to finding out the true causes of the phenomenon. What I claim is not easy to grasp if you do not possess a sufficient level of awareness, to understand the structure of the universe and to find out what matter is and how it arises, and from what it will be clear to you what gravity and magnetism are. Then all theories of relativity, BB, the spread of the universe and so on will be ignored, because you will respect the existence of the Spiritual Entity of the universe, which gave you the opportunity to join him, but on the condition that you do not believe in the so-called stupid theories of many scientists.

The universe is also infinite in time and substance. However, either way you look at it, there are only diametrical spherical fields that exist from its center to infinity. An infinite number of pairs.
Hyperfuzzy
not rated yet Aug 17, 2017
Spiritualism is a dichotomy of the mind, body, and spirit. One essential part of the spirit is what or who do we emulate. Forget the "fantasy of God" apply the reality of your provider. We exist with no provider, we killed those, every one must seek money. A very strange solution for provision. So I have no idea what you are talking about, when people start assigning impossibility to some non-existent spirit! So Nikola, get real.
nikola_milovic_378
Aug 19, 2017
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Aug 19, 2017
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Hyperfuzzy
not rated yet Aug 19, 2017
Stand in front of the mirror and take a deep look at your face and eyes, and try to analyze yourself. Have you come from a BB too? Who gave you all the possibilities that you inherited from spermatozoids. How many pairs are there that formed us? Try to understand what God is! Discard religion as a dogma and engage in searching for the true causes of the phenomenon. You can do this only if you have a higher level of consciousness and if you have an intuition that is the current connection to the Absolute Universe Consciousness (ACU).

There is no supernatural God!
nikola_milovic_378
Aug 20, 2017
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Hyperfuzzy
not rated yet Aug 20, 2017
Your statement that there is no such super-natural God, is proof that many people live in the captivity of their own mind who commands all obscure senses and through Free Will, suffocating the rise in awareness. A high level of awareness recognizes what Creator-God is. This is the general state of all events and phenomena in the universe and the management of these phenomena. It is clear to me that there is a very high percentage of people who are under the control of the mind and it is a natural process of developing consciousness through multiple existence, as matter develops and disappears, and consciousness moves to other dwellings.

You need help. The "supernatural" is an impossibility!
nikola_milovic_378
Aug 21, 2017
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Hyperfuzzy
not rated yet Aug 21, 2017
It is true that I need help. This help consists in having at least a couple of minded people who understand what nature is and who has formed this nature.
Again, I draw attention to think about myself and to see if it existed and whether there is someone who formed you as a human being. But if you ignore it and you are not aware of it then it's not a miracle to say that there is no one who has shaped nature and us in it. Just keep ignoring your Creator, you may one day be able to overcome and overcome in your abilities.
To break this way, can you explain what the antihydrogen is, whether it exists and how it can be done. I claim it is fatamorgana.

I can
and I did
nikola_milovic_378
Aug 22, 2017
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Hyperfuzzy
not rated yet Aug 22, 2017
So Tokamak does not work-wrongly constructed !! It takes real technology and the use of natural laws !!

OK, am I your therapist?
nikola_milovic_378
Aug 23, 2017
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Hyperfuzzy
not rated yet Aug 23, 2017
By this you admitted that you do not know physics, and even less about the universe!

Dude, you are being rude. You can never know what another knows. Anyway, I have over 50 Years experience with everything electrical, electronic. nuclear, etc.. How about your comment? How did you decide that, I just explained all physics, time to grow up. Stop denying $hit with more $hit. Juz say'n

Just the facts. mam.
nikola_milovic_378
Aug 23, 2017
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Hyperfuzzy
not rated yet Aug 23, 2017
e TRUE CAUSES OF THE ATTEMPT AND IN US AND THE UNIVERSE !! WRITE THIS, ALL THOSE THIS READ !!

Cra cra, your rambling does not present anything useful. All of modern physics and the physics before seek to know. With a little hindsight, missteps are easy to see. There exists only the fields. Now, why do we see the spherical fields described by coulomb? That's the point isn't it. Also these things are immortal, i.e. conserved. You don't have to be smart to see the truth; but, you must be a little stupid to miss it!

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