New ways to motivate climate change action around the world

September 29, 2015 by Rose Trapnell
Clouds over Australia are shown. Credit: NASA

New international research has found a way to help the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change promote their message for more urgent action around the world.

QUT's Dr Paul Bain, from the School of Psychology and Counselling, led a three-year research program, published in Nature Climate Change today.

Dr Bain said the research examined the views of over 6000 people in 24 countries.

"The results could be valuable for the upcoming UN summit in Paris," Dr Bain said.

"Put simply, in many places around the world climate change is losing ground to other issues in capturing the public's attention and priority.

"The question is how to find new ways to motivate action, especially for those who are unconvinced or unconcerned about climate change. I guess our approach is a bit like the old saying 'if the mountain won't come to you, you must go to the mountain'.

"Rather than trying to convince these people to care more about climate change, perhaps they would act if could produce other benefits that they cared about.

"Things like reducing pollution, promoting new economic opportunities, or even just helping us see ourselves as people who care for one another and the planet.

"Research has examined some of these benefits in the past, but ours is the first to look at a wide range of benefits in an integrated way and to determine which benefits motivate action around the world.

"If government policies and communications addressed these benefits, they are more likely to gain widespread public support."

Dr Taciano Milfont from Victoria University of Wellington in New Zealand, who also coordinated the project, said two types of benefits were strongly linked to action: promoting economic and scientific development, and helping foster a more caring community.

Another project coordinator, Professor Yoshi Kashima from the University of Melbourne, said: "The motivating effects of economic development varied across countries, but the belief that acting on climate change promotes a more caring community was a universally motivating belief across the countries we studied".

"If a global message is to be sent to motivate everyone, it is the potential of climate change action bringing people together for a better world," Professor Kashima said.

Explore further: Society has been discussing climate change's impacts long before we knew it existed

More information: "Co-benefits of addressing climate change can motivate action around the world." Nature Climate Change (2015) DOI: 10.1038/nclimate2814

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denglish
2 / 5 (12) Sep 29, 2015
Politics on a science site. Noted.

Everyone wants a clean planet.

Perhaps the message to the people should place emphasis on how to be clean instead of on how to blame humanity for the earth's natural cycles. Its obvious that AGW is false, and people, after being rightly alarmed by the message, are looking upon it with a much-deserved ennui.

Its time to right the ship. Get us employed in ways that an anthropocentric viewpoint will net results, not angst. How to be clean, how to maintain cleanliness, not on how to stop the cosmos from doing what it does.
Steve 200mph Cruiz
4.4 / 5 (13) Sep 29, 2015
Denglish,
It's only politics because you made a conscious decision for it to be.
America is the only country where this is an "issue".
Everyone else either thinks you're a retard, that you're going to hell because you don't accept Mohammed, or you're some kind of devil wizard man

Luckily the soothing voice of talk radio will keep you safe in your cradle
Steve 200mph Cruiz
4.1 / 5 (9) Sep 29, 2015
The "cosmos" is also telling you that you're wrong, fossil fuels have no room for expansion, and have already begun to be phased out by simple supply and demand, that's why their stocks are collapsing.

Want to make some money, short some fossil stocks, don't invest
MR166
2.1 / 5 (7) Sep 29, 2015
"America is the only country where this is an "issue"."

Steve plenty of people in Europe are questioning energy policy. As the world sinks deeper and deeper into recession more and more economic questions will be asked.
Steve 200mph Cruiz
4.6 / 5 (10) Sep 29, 2015
Mr166,
What are you talking about? Germany is both the strongest economy in Europe and one of the world's biggest investors in renewables.
The world recession? China was a beautiful land turned into a toxic dump by their brash greed, same with Brazil and many other places.

How is a collapsing fossil market supposed to help those people?.
howhot2
4 / 5 (8) Sep 29, 2015
@Steve200mpg, Don't worry about the USA. We all think @Denglish, and @MR166 are as dumb as a old bag rocks The only fun with arguing with them is to just screw with them until their heads explode. Haha.. Lol.. there goes one now. Denier goon squad has two down from goonyness and their heads are exploding every where! Oh my, poor @R2 his head exploded a long time ago, and all he has is a nub. And it exploded!

Kidding... of course. Deniers just deserve the ridicule they get.
Steve 200mph Cruiz
4.4 / 5 (7) Sep 29, 2015
No, they deserve much worse than ridicule, they willfully poisoned the entire world.

I bet if you could look at the cancer rates of every earthly creature in the past 2 centuries, you would find a disturbing trend.
I have no proof of that statement, but the fact is many of our oil derived plastics bypassed any regulation, and many of them have been found to be cancer causing and not manageable by our bodily systems.

It's all risk management, "will enough people be able to prove this to become a financial liability?", and with cancer, the answer is "no". It took forever for politics to admit smoking caused cancer, even with millions of deaths. Just imagine what it'll take in order to stop the carbon industry
howhot2
3.9 / 5 (7) Sep 29, 2015
No, they deserve much worse than ridicule, they willfully poisoned the entire world.
Yes sir, that is certainly true. There is no denying that. Indeed I like what your saying. In the past there was the excuse of ignorance. However, now we know the facts and causes of global warming, and anyone that burns fossil fuels would be a participant in not only in global genocide but global mass extinction.

Yeah, that's pretty shocking but it's true. When you burn your furnace, drive your car, take a jet, pretty much anything that uses energy, fossil fuel energy, you will be putting CO2 into the air that will stay for a 1000 years or more being a green house gas. We only started burning fossil fuels about 200 years ago, and look where climate change is now!

For cities, the only solution is to go smart grid, solar, wind, and all electric. For country people, trucking, and jets bio-fuels. There are a lot of solutions. I agree with you @200mph.
denglish
1.5 / 5 (8) Sep 30, 2015
Wow, what a turd this thread is. Waste of precious time. *unclicks notification*
MR166
1.8 / 5 (5) Sep 30, 2015
"Mr166,
What are you talking about? Germany is both the strongest economy in Europe and one of the world's biggest investors in renewables."

Well Steve perhaps you are on to something there. Germany has the 1st or 2nd highest electric rates in all of Europe and are the most prosperous. That could be the key. Let's double or triple the worlds energy costs while sitting back an watching the prosperity that ensues.
gkam
1 / 5 (8) Sep 30, 2015
Why don't we take everything to ridiculous extremes and we can all have fun with your stunts.

Let's keep on using Dirty Fuels until we have Soylent Green. With the acidification of the oceans, it may be right around the corner.
MR166
3.7 / 5 (3) Sep 30, 2015
Gkam stupid replies deserve stupid retorts. Since Germany banned nuclear power their use of coal has skyrocketed. Faced with a real energy real problem they chose coal over renewables!
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.5 / 5 (8) Sep 30, 2015
Boy george says
Why don't we take everything to ridiculous extremes
-but then he takes his post to ridiculous extremes as he usually does;
Let's keep on using Dirty Fuels until we have Soylent Green
I guess extremes arent ridiculous if they come from the extremely malformed brain of George Kamburoff.

"Cleckley's seminal hypothesis concerning the psychopath is that he suffers from a very real mental illness indeed: a profound and incurable affective deficit. If he really feels anything at all, they are emotions of only the shallowest kind. He does bizarre and self-destructive things because consequences that would fill the ordinary man with shame, self-loathing, and embarrassment simply do not affect the psychopath at all. What to others would be a disaster is to him merely a fleeting inconvenience."

-IMHO
gkam
1.4 / 5 (10) Sep 30, 2015
166, your precious coal polluters are temporary and only used for backup. How many coal plants are being built in the US or Europe?

If you like them, you can BUY them! Yup, those very coal plants which are being closed are up for sale. I suggest you and otto and Ira and denglish and the other folk go BUY ONE! You'll get rich, and we will all love you for providing us with power.

Won't we?
gkam
1 / 5 (9) Sep 30, 2015
Does anyone else wonder about otto? He not only hides behind a pseudonym, . . several, in fact, but also goes through a Coward's Portal (http://proxy2974....xy.php), a cut-out so we supposedly cannot trace him.

Fear drives folk to anonymity, to hide, to cower, to avoid the consequences of one's actions.

His continual references to psychopathy are obvious screams for help, and I keep telling him it is not on this forum, but he is past the point of helping himself, apparently.

Meanwhile, we will clean up the refinery emissions.

.
MR166
3 / 5 (2) Sep 30, 2015
"How many coal plants are being built in the US or Europe?"

No new coal plants eh!

https://carboncou...burning/
denglish
1.7 / 5 (6) Sep 30, 2015
Remember the RICO persecution urged against skeptics?

Check out what happened:
http://wattsupwit...-begins/
TheGhostofOtto1923
4 / 5 (8) Sep 30, 2015
hides behind a pseudonym, . . several, in fact, but also goes through a Coward's Portal (http://proxy2974....xy.php)...
Well thats not true. I signed up like anyone else. If there is a proxy site then everybody goes through it, including your few remaining supporters who are also anonymous..

Are you calling them cowards as well? Of course you are.

Why werent you smart enough to figure this out?
references to psychopathy are obvious screams for help
-Only help in tracking you and limiting your damage here. Many have already joined the effort. You have only a few supporteds left, most of whom have 1.x ratings, which you yourself will soon have.

Your compulsive lying and compulsive need to fabricate lies about your past in order to justify these lies, are symptoms of psychopathy.

So post some examples of those things you accuse me of. I routinely post facts to disprove your lies, facts which you consistently fail to acknowledge.

Another unmistakable symptom.
gkam
1.4 / 5 (9) Sep 30, 2015
166, did you read the part which specifies:
"Investment decisions for these power plants were made in 2005-2008 (see table 2 here). In response supporters of the nuclear phase out claim this shows that construction of new coal power plants have nothing to do with Germany's decision to phase out nuclear energy." ??
ryggesogn2
1.7 / 5 (6) Sep 30, 2015
It will interesting to watch the fallout after Hitler's car company, VW, intentionally created a way to bypass emission testing in the US.

It will also be interesting to watch the German economy after thousands of Muslim 'refugees' are imported.
MR166
3.7 / 5 (3) Sep 30, 2015
Gkam and Steve what you fail to realize is that Europe is between a rock and a hard place when it comes to reliable 24/7 energy. They only have a limited amount of hydro that can replace the missing coal and nuclear. Natural gas must be imported from Russia and that is a very risky source of supply.

The US has an adequate supply of natural gas at this point in time due to fracking but the economics of this supply is far from being proven to be viable. If fracking fails then all of those coal plants that were scrapped will have to be rebuilt.

Show me a COST EFFECTIVE way for renewables to supply 24/7 power and will be more than happy to relegate fossil fuels to transportation purposes only.
gkam
1.4 / 5 (9) Sep 30, 2015
Okay, 166, but can you give us a few years?

We need more source development and some storage increase and a few transmission lines, and we are set.

Infrastructure changes like people, taking generations.
gkam
1.4 / 5 (9) Sep 30, 2015
166, tell Europe to cuddle up to the Egyptians, who recently discovered a major gas field.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (6) Sep 30, 2015
If Germany is soooo rich, why are they turning away 'refugees'?

"The Local reports Germany has committed billions of euros to helping asylum seekers. Over the past four days between 8,000 and 10,000 migrants from the Middle East, Afghanistan, Africa and south-eastern Europe have arrived daily, according to Interior Minister Thomas de Maizière."
http://www.breitb...igrants/
Steve 200mph Cruiz
4.4 / 5 (5) Oct 02, 2015
Ryggesogn,
You rendered your own point moot by quoting that they have billions to spend in the first place.
It's a complicated issue, but I think it's weird that you're assuming Germans of all people don't have a strong national identity and a right wing that views that as under threat.

Mr166,
I believe strongly in nuclear power actually, and I never said we would only use solar and wind. I think nuclear has a big place in the future, but there isn't a unified political voice calling for more nuclear in the US at this time, but I think it will be absolutely necessary to end the carbon emissions era
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (6) Oct 02, 2015
You rendered your own point moot by quoting that they have billions to spend in the first place.

'They'?
You mean Germany can plunder more wealth from their people to pay for more Muslims?
I thought Germans were more supportive of Christians, but after WWII and their alliance with the Muslims, I see now Germany is more aligned with Islam and hatred of Israel.
ryggesogn2
1.7 / 5 (6) Oct 02, 2015
"Christians fleeing Muslim persecution are finding just as much oppression in the refugee camps and shelters of Germany as they suffered in their home states. As the vast majority of asylum seekers are Muslims, many of whom have imported an adherence to sharia law with them, the few Christian co-travellers find themselves ostracised, abused, and even physically attacked.
http://www.breitb...sidents/]http://www.breitb...sidents/[/url]
The German state of Thuringia has been forced to implement a policy of segregating migrants from different backgrounds as soon as they reach the state, thanks to the persistent persecution of Christians by Muslim migrants."
http://www.breitb...sidents/]http://www.breitb...sidents/[/url]
ryggesogn2
1.8 / 5 (5) Oct 02, 2015
"The EU's fundamental rights agency says that anti-Semitic stereotyping is a reality in many countries and that some EU political parties are openly anti-Semitic.

Timmermans said that "it's a vital question for the future of Europe that our Jewish community feels at ease and completely at home.""
http://hosted.ap....10-56-18
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (4) Oct 02, 2015
they have billions to spend in the first place.

Really?

http://www.nation.../germany
MR166
1 / 5 (4) Oct 02, 2015
This whole Middle East crisis and the mass displacement of refugees is all part of a massive plan to destroy western civilization. Take out all the Middle East leaders and create a crisis. Then, claim that people need to be saved from the terror that was purposely created. This will not end well for middle class. Goodbye folks, it was nice knowing you.
denglish
1 / 5 (5) Oct 02, 2015
There may be hope yet.

Remember that person that asked for RICO charges to be brought against skeptics? He's now facing an investigation. If pursued, this could sink the entire AGW boat.

http://wattsupwit...history/
viko_mx
1.2 / 5 (6) Oct 03, 2015
It is obvious that the purpose of the AWG myth and many others maintained in society with the help of mass media is one world government of the new Babilon civilisation which must solve the problems with humanistic (luciferian) laws embodying the revolt of the man of sin against God.
docile
Oct 03, 2015
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Steve 200mph Cruiz
5 / 5 (5) Oct 04, 2015
Ryggesogn,
Now we have a reached the point of no common ground.
I don't believe anyone owns their money, money only has value because it has the backing of some sort of governmental institution, that's why they have the authority to tax you.
You can have "wealth", by having a bunch of different currencies, bonds, various investments and resources but you have to turn that into taxable money in order for it to have any real spending power.

I'm not a republican, I don't see why debt particularly matters as long as people are perfectly happy to continue investing in the country. You just have to spend it wisely on things that will make you more money in the long run. that's all that actually matters.

Also gun rights are stupid and I don't care about Israel or the rest of this conversation, have a nice day
denglish
1 / 5 (4) Oct 04, 2015
I don't believe anyone owns their money

gun rights are stupid

I don't care about Israel


Name that tune.
ryggesogn2
1.8 / 5 (5) Oct 04, 2015
I don't believe anyone owns their money, money only has value because it has the backing of some sort of governmental institution, that's why they have the authority to tax you.


Quite a stupid belief.

Money only as the value the people using assign to it.
Govts can create, print and declare the value of their money, but the people using it decide its real value.
In 1983, when I visited Leningrad, the official exchange rate was ~1.5 USD to 1 ruble. On the street, the exchange rate was much different. Levi jeans could be sold for 100 rubles.

gun rights are stupid


Fine. Don't buy a gun and don't expect anyone to stop someone who is trying to kill you or take 'your' govt money with any weapon.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (3) Oct 04, 2015
Gun rights are stupid?

Are Aussie's stupid?

"Here is the video of the final moments of Muslim Farhad Jabar Khalil Mohammed dressed in Islamic garb, waving a gun, shouting Islamic slogans before he executes a police employee in cold blood. - See more at: http://pamelagell...3M.dpuf"

Moebius
3 / 5 (4) Oct 04, 2015
There's only one way to motivate climate change action. Pass a law making everyone with an IQ of less than 130 and/or no scientific training STFU.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (5) Oct 04, 2015
There's only one way to motivate climate change action. Pass a law making everyone with an IQ of less than 130 and/or no scientific training STFU.


What is the basis in science of its efficacy?

Concentration camps and tyranny have failed in the past to achieve their lofty objectives.

How did humans survive for hundreds of thousands of years with NO science let along no science 'training'
Why do you say 'training'? Do you mean indoctrination or education?
antigoracle
1.8 / 5 (5) Oct 04, 2015
There's only one way to motivate climate change action. Pass a law making everyone with an IQ of less than 130 and/or no scientific training STFU.

Well....ok, if that's the only way to end your incessant, ignorant blabbering.
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (3) Oct 04, 2015
There's only one way...Pass a law ... IQ of less than 130 ...no scientific training STFU
@Moebius
only problem with that is: some of the biggest deniers are the paid shills who actually have an IQ and scientific background - this is what makes them stupid beyond measure, but also makes idiots like dung/antig believe them: because they don't understand how real science works nor how being in a computer science field is NOT the same as climate physics, etc
see also: http://arstechnic...nformed/

.

Quite a stupid belief
@rygg
then perhaps you should read what is actually written on your money: they are federal reserve notes, not ryggy reserve notes
you have the right to ownership only of the equivalent value of said note, otherwise you would be able to manufacture your own notes in your basement (try that one, i dare you)
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (4) Oct 04, 2015

Also gun rights are stupid and I don't care about Israel or the rest of this conversation, have a nice day
@Steve 200mph Cruiz
this i do not agree with... and nor will you be able to make a clear judgement based upon science in this area because there is no way to quantify a lot of the data to make clear decisions or accurate objective results...

I will suggest, however, that this is not clear thinking: don't blame the tool for the problem

the underlying issues are violence, not the use of the tool
take away the tool and you still have the problem... so you should treat the problem, not the tool

case in point: no one is banning cars for drunk driving
no one is banning pencils/pens for spelling errors
why ban the gun for the violence and stupidity of a select few of the population?
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (5) Oct 04, 2015
STFU?

"Greg Lukianoff, the President and CEO of FIRE, starts this 20 minute video interview for The Daily Caller by assessing global issues. "The international situation for freedom of speech is dire," says Lukianoff, focusing on the emergence of blasphemy laws to not offend Islam."
"He believes our society's timidity is teaching college students to magnify and personalize problems, or to engage in all or nothing thinking. A campus or culture's mistakes here, he says, could actually be damaging to mental health.

Worrying that political correctness "is back with a vengeance," Lukianoff's organization is constantly amazed at free speech challenges."
http://dailycalle...s-video/
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (6) Oct 04, 2015
federal reserve notes,


And people say the Federal Reserve is not a part of the Socialist States of America.

gkam
1.4 / 5 (9) Oct 04, 2015
"why ban the gun for the violence and stupidity of a select few of the population?"
-----------------------------------

How many more have to be killed before you know the correct answer to that?

Sorry, but I still think that anybody who"needs" a gun for anything but authorized work is exactly the person who should not have one. Yeah, I know some folk actually eat some stuff they kill, but I think the thrill of killing is the primary motivator for too many.

"Killin' ain't where it's at."
MR166
1 / 5 (2) Oct 04, 2015
Most if not all of the mass shootings have been been done by younger people on prescribed anti depressant drugs. You blame guns and I blame an out of control pill pushing society that would rather prescribe drugs than actually deal with individual problems.
denglish
1 / 5 (3) Oct 04, 2015
You blame guns

Helping the mentally ill isn't as important as dismantling The Constitution.
gkam
1.8 / 5 (10) Oct 04, 2015
"You blame guns "
----------------------------

No, I blame those who have too-easy access to their "Second Amendment Solutions" to their perceived problems.
denglish
1 / 5 (5) Oct 04, 2015
Notice how the argument has shifted from AGW to gun control?

The AGWs have no idea if they're coming or going. All they know is that they have hate in their hearts, and the beast must be fed.

Worrying that political correctness "is back with a vengeance,"

Those that are offended have the upper hand. It won't last long.
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (6) Oct 04, 2015
How many more have to be killed
@gkam
fearmongering?
this is OT, but i'm gonna answer this way:
how many have been saved by a gun, armed citizen or protected without ever firing a shot?

quit blaming the TOOL for the insecurities and delusions of the PERSON or the underlying cause

this goes for you as well!
you state
but I still think that anybody who"needs" a gun for anything but authorized work
what do YOU perceive to be "authorized work"? WHY?

http://blurbrain....trol.jpg

but I think
and this is the problem.... you think
not "you know" or "you can prove"

you cant find data, and there IS NO DATA which is complete enough to make an informed non-biased decision, because that would include data like:
how many crimes were PREVENTED by guns?
stopped by guns?
stopped without firing a shot?
etc

the "gun deaths" you hate/fear also include felons stopped by law enforcement during the commission of a crime

gkam
1.4 / 5 (9) Oct 04, 2015
Stumpy, I do not want your guns. You folk go shoot up the woods and have a good time. Just leave the rest of out of your killing.

That's the problem, and it ain't with the rest of us.
my2cts
4.2 / 5 (5) Oct 04, 2015
Most if not all of the mass shootings have been been done by younger people on prescribed anti depressant drugs. You blame guns and I blame an out of control pill pushing society that would rather prescribe drugs than actually deal with individual problems.

Suppose the pill crazed younger people had had access to hydrogen bombs, would anything be left standing ? The pills would be the same, so it must be the weapons.
Many developed countries have unbalanced citizens. Only in the USA anyone can get their hands on advanced weapons. THAT is what makes the difference.
gkam
1.8 / 5 (10) Oct 04, 2015
"quit blaming the TOOL "
----------------------------------------

The tool was made expressly for one purpose: To KILL. If you use it correctly something or somebody will die. You don't use them to get to work, or fix the car, or split rails, you use them to KILL.

We blame you for having a tool which only kills. Sorry, but I do not trust you or anyone else with one.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (3) Oct 04, 2015
Suppose the pill crazed younger people had had access to hydrogen bombs,


Such people DO have access, NOW.

What do we do about it? Threaten to destroy them, with weapons, if they use that weapon.

In a 'gun free zone' what fear does an attacker have of swift and immediate retaliation from his potential victims?

my2cts
3.4 / 5 (5) Oct 05, 2015
Suppose the pill crazed younger people had had access to hydrogen bombs,


Such people DO have access, NOW.

Untrue. They have access to modern weapon which is bad enough.
But hydrogen bombs? Only in your nightmares.
Anyway, your reply is a diversion.
The argument is that the free arms market causes the high incidence of bloodbaths in the USA, contrary to claims of the KKKxxx TeaPartyxxxxxxxx NRA.
my2cts
3.2 / 5 (5) Oct 05, 2015
@CS
The evidence is clear. The free availability of arms to every craze citizen in the USA coincides with a very high rate of shootings compared to other developed countries.
Read and shiver:
http://www.huffin...8831b5d9
my2cts
3.9 / 5 (7) Oct 05, 2015
It is obvious that the purpose of the AWG myth and many others maintained in society with the help of mass media is one world government of the new Babilon civilisation which must solve the problems with humanistic (luciferian) laws embodying the revolt of the man of sin against God.

Pinocchio, you are the nr 1 propagator of myths here, trying to convince us that Geppetto runs the universe.
ryggesogn2
2 / 5 (4) Oct 05, 2015
Untrue. They have access to modern weapon which is bad enough.
But hydrogen bombs? Only in your nightmares.


DPRK has nuclear weapons.

And the research clear, an armed citizenry leads to less crime.

Violent crimes around the world have increased in spite of gun bans.
antigoracle
1 / 5 (4) Oct 05, 2015
The AGW Cult can't even convince their own flock of Chicken Little hypocrites to stop using fossil fuels.
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (4) Oct 05, 2015
You folk go shoot up ...leave the rest of out of your killing
@gkam
so, you can't actually provide a logical evidence based argument so you want to prod people with rhetoric that is not only debunked by reality but is based upon your own personal subjective fears and beliefs?
the problem isn't the "gun" or "the rest of us"
i will say it again: do NOT confuse the TOOL with the INDIVIDUAL
the problem is NOT THE GUN.... the underlying problem is VIOLENCE
The tool...one purpose: To KILL
the only difference between a bow/arrows, slingshot, spear and the gun is the speed and size of the projectile, yet you don't mind owning the former at all... why?
Sorry, but I do not trust you or anyone else with one
so, you are saying only you can be trustworthy?
why is that?
your fear of reality is irrational and you should seek help from professional mental health services

thanks for completely derailing the thread with your irrational fear and commentary
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (4) Oct 05, 2015
anyone can get their hands on advanced weapons. THAT is what makes the difference
@mytwo
not "advanced"
So Switzerland is what? perhaps you should read up on cultures a bit
The free availability of arms to every craze citizen in the USA coincides with a very high rate of shootings compared to other developed countries
yeah, because everyone knows that the Swis are dropping like flies daily... [sarc/hyperbole and joke]
culture is a problem, yes (as noted above re: sw)

the point is still the same:
it is NOT the weapon, but the user (and the cultural refusal to actually enforce the laws we already have)
the underlying problem is VIOLENCE, not guns
Read and shiver:
huffington post is not science and ANY media article is biased and without merit

like i said above: to get a true statistical analysis, you need stats which we don't collect
http://blurbrain....trol.jpg
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (4) Oct 05, 2015
The argument is that the free arms market causes the high incidence of bloodbaths in the USA, contrary to claims of the KKKxxx TeaPartyxxxxxxxx NRA
@mytwo
no, the argument is derailed into that: the thread is AGW...

the actual argument should be: what can we do to limit the violence inherent in the species?

also note: about your huffington link - we actually have some great laws re: guns, but they're not always enforced or applied. this is a cultural problem as well

if you remove LA, NYC, Chicago, Miami, D.C. and Detroit then the actual statistics are completely reversed and you can see that it is fairly safe to own firearms and carry them in the US...

think on that for just a moment
- by removing just a few cities with the highest, strictest gun control laws in the US, the statistics swing around to show a completely opposite trend!

Why is that, when they're the cities with the strictest laws?

because criminals do NOT obeys laws!
gkam
1 / 5 (7) Oct 05, 2015
"your fear of reality is irrational and you should seek help from professional mental health services"
-----------------------------
It is my fear of the armed irrational which is the reality.

No, Stumpy, I have had my fill of killing. Maybe you haven't.

You are the one who needs man-killers, I suggest you go get help first.

And acting like otto and ira and the others is beneath you.

Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (4) Oct 05, 2015
You are the one who needs man-killers
@gkam
so... it is ok for YOU to assassinate character, blatantly lie about someone or call people names without any shred of evidence but somehow it is WRONG for others to point this out in you?

you call it "acting like... others" and yet, here you are doing the same thing you vilify others over?

tell me, why is it OK for you but not anyone else?
what makes you think i "need" man killers to take care of someone?

just because YOU fear something and have irrational beliefs and continue to spout them on line doesn't mean everyone else is the same way.

i suggest:
1- read this: https://www.psych...ttle-ego

2- seek professional mental help from the VA, because you are slipping and becoming irrational in public

& perhaps you should post to someone else: i'm not going to keep replying to your delusions and fears until you can start linking evidence
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (2) Oct 05, 2015
Besides CH, young people wander around Israel with fully automatic weapons.
Bikini clad girls with Uzis on the beach.
Of course the people of Israel are always being threatened with mass murder so they are well armed.

gkam
1.5 / 5 (8) Oct 05, 2015
" i'm not going to keep replying to your delusions and fears until you can start linking evidence"

Do you really want me to tell you every time we have killings? Really??

"seek professional mental help from the VA, because you are slipping and becoming irrational in public"

And I suggest you take your accusations of psychological troubles to your shrink.

Tell him how you need guns.

I don't.
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (6) Oct 05, 2015
Do you really want me to tell you...Really??
@gkam
SURE!
as long as you also tell me every time a cop stops a criminal, an armed citizen also stops a crime from happening, and a weapon is drawn but NOT fired to subdue a criminal as well!

don't let your fear dictate your responses
And I suggest you take your accusations...you need guns
right... i don't NEED guns
...so you didn't read the link?
circle the wagons, hyper-vigilant against attacks, challenges, feedback or questions. We get prickly and rigid, insistent that we're on top of things, precisely because we're not. To those around us it can look like the height of arrogance but it's actually vulnerability. We don't think more of ourselves, but less and are grasping for the self-certainty we've lost.
https://www.psych...ttle-ego

describes you here perfectly.
plus, i have other PM's from YOU...still want to fight?
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.9 / 5 (7) Oct 05, 2015
No, Stumpy, I have had my fill of killing. Maybe you haven't
George was allegedly a comm tech in vietnam who spent his evenings in Bangkok.

How many vets out there are deeply offended of his claims that he has had his 'fill' of killing?
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (4) Oct 05, 2015
every time we have killings


Will you include ALL methods?

Fire is an excellent choice for mass civilian killings in the past. Over 70 people were killed a few decades ago.
Where was the call to ban matches?

The issue for the 'liberals' is NOT killings. It is controlling the population by taking away their most effective method of defense.

AGW has nothing to do with climate and everything to do with control.

Controlling the lives of others is the objective of the 'liberal'/socialist/AGWite.
gkam
1 / 5 (7) Oct 05, 2015
"plus, i have other PM's from YOU...still want to fight?"
------------------------------------

At long last, sir, have you no decency?
Captain Stumpy
3.9 / 5 (7) Oct 05, 2015
have you no decency?
@gkam
so, you pick a fight on line, denigrate someone, post without evidence, attack their character, get defensive when confronted with evidence or confronted period, then start vilifying those who don't agree with you, regardless of historical attempts to stay our of your trolling and in-fighting, but when i suggest you have a problem and can prove it, i am the one with no decency?

you are the one i tried to help, and you threw it back in my face

the reason we are posting this in a public thread is:
-YOU don't have the decency, common sense etc to discuss your PERSONAL UNSUBSTANTIATED OPINIONS in private
- derailed the thread with your irrational fear
- you have a fragile ego and assume any post that doesn't mirror your POV is wrong or attacking you
- you want attention in any form (like RC)
- your narcissism & ego

now you have the attention you are seeking but you want to play victim?
and you have the gall to post about decency?
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.5 / 5 (8) Oct 05, 2015
His symptoms suggest something far beyond narcissism.

"Yet surprisingly, many people know nothing about this disorder, or if they do, they think only in terms of violent psychopathy - murderers, serial killers, mass murderers - people who have conspicuously broken the law many times over, and who, if caught, will be imprisoned, maybe even put to death by our legal system.

"We are not commonly aware of, nor do we usually identify, the larger number of nonviolent sociopaths among us, people who often are not blatant lawbreakers, and against whom our formal legal system provides little defense.

"Those who have no conscience at all are a group unto themselves, whether they be homicidal tyrants or merely ruthless social snipers.

"Cleckley's seminal hypothesis concerning the psychopath is that he suffers from a very real mental illness indeed: a profound and incurable affective deficit. If he really feels anything at all, they are emotions of only the shallowest kind."

IMO
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.5 / 5 (8) Oct 05, 2015
"Our research has led us to identify them with "Psychopaths." They can also be Narcissists since Narcissism seems to be merely a "facet" of the psychopath or a "milder" manifestation. You could say that the Narcissist is a "garden variety psychopath" who, because of his or her "social programming," has less likelihood of running afoul of the law. In this way, they are very efficient "survival machines," living out their lives doing untold damage to their families, friends and business associates.

"It is only when a person takes a long and careful look at the full-blown psychopath - a sort of exaggerated Narcissist - that they are able to see the caricature of the traits that then make it easier for them to identify the "garden variety" psychopath - and/or the Narcissist.

"Our world seems to have been invaded by individuals whose approach to life and love is so drastically different from what has been the established norm for a very long time..."
gkam
1.5 / 5 (8) Oct 05, 2015
My Gosh, Stumpy, I guess you were correct in telling me to not respond to the kooks.

I guess I really will leave you and your ilk, those who hide, cower, and snipe. It is a group dominated by a few cowards acting as bullies. Stumpy is afraid of pissing them off, so he does nothing about it.

Good luck in your games. You are all on ignore.

I will continue to post. When you all go crazy screaming "he's crazy!", the real folk will understand what happened to you.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.9 / 5 (9) Oct 05, 2015
You are all on ignore
Coward.
I will continue to post...
-lies and made-up facts and general infantile bullshit, and it will all continue to be exposed for what it is, the ramblings of a psychopathic old man.

And you can keep on pretending that the real world doesnt exist, and your loss of 20+ jobs over the course of your sorry career was everybody elses fault, not yours.

IMO you sicko.
antigoracle
1 / 5 (2) Oct 05, 2015
Good luck in your games. You are all on ignore....
I will continue to post....

Attaboy George, don't let the truth from others deter you. Keep your lies and hypocrisy coming, even though it's game over for you.
howhot2
5 / 5 (1) Oct 05, 2015
Controlling the lives of others is the objective of the 'liberal'/socialist/AGWite.
Yeah, those are the exact words that a typical snivelling rightwing nut POS would say trying to defend the stupid logic he/she thinks is the perfection of man kind. @R2, you a denier conservative POS trash that will always be pushing back on the liberal efforts to Improve mankind's self-inflicted extinction event.

"As phantoms frighten beasts when shadows fall. you fear liberalism and the joy it creates"
To paraphrase Inferno.

howhot2
5 / 5 (1) Oct 05, 2015
From the first line of the article;
New international research has found a way to help the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change promote their message for more urgent action around the world.
and that research says don't listen to DIP SHIT conservatives. My good friend @R2 pretends to know exactly what is the best direction for mankind. That is to ignore climate change, demand anarchy, and give him all your money. @R2, you have many big words for the trailer park guy you seem to want to be. (Maybe you are?)
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (2) Oct 06, 2015
"A violent September in Chicago ended with more homicides than any other month this year and the second-most shootings, according to data kept by the Chicago Tribune's breaking news desk. Though the summer months in Chicago have traditionally been the most violent, shootings last month decreased little from August and there were about 50 percent more shootings than September 2014."
http://www.chicag...ory.html
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (2) Oct 06, 2015
"For September, homicides were up 39 percent and non-fatal shootings nearly doubled over the same month in 2014, continuing a disturbing trend that has gripped the Charm City since Gray's death in April and the rioting that followed. For the year, murders are up 52 percent and non-fatal shootings 80 percent over last year."

http://www.foxnew...mp=hpbt3

Where is the 'liberal's' outrage over the murders in Chicago and Baltimore? Are they racist?
bluehigh
1 / 5 (1) Oct 06, 2015
You are all on ignore
Coward.

> That's interesting. Let's see who are the cowards. Yeah, all those that can't accept critisism or those that have such entrenched beliefs that no dissent is allowed. Confirmation bias only allowed - click here. All the cowards that use the 'ignore' function.

> Hmm . Let he without sin cast the first stone.

Nevertheless George .. You are still an idiot.

Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (3) Oct 06, 2015
I guess I really will leave you and your ilk...hide, cower, and snipe
OT, Trolling/Baiting
It is a group dominated by a few cowards acting as bullies. Stumpy is afraid of pissing them off, so he does nothing about it
OT, Unsubstantiated conjecture, irrational fear based response based upon delusional narcissistic personality disorder and trolling/baiting
https://www.psych...ttle-ego

...When you all go crazy screaming "he's crazy!", the real folk will understand what happened to you
https://en.wikipe...Symptoms

also note: i don't agree with otto's highly selective bullying tactics any more than i agree with your unsubstantiated conjectures or continued character assassination while you whine and cry about being a victim, gkam

flooding with irrational opinion that isn't validated is no better than trolling/baiting
howhot2
5 / 5 (1) Oct 06, 2015
@R2 says;
Where is the 'liberal's' outrage over the murders in Chicago and Baltimore? Are they racist?


Gentlemen. forgive me for my abusive language. I do sometimes "go off the handle" and make remarks that are more personal gotcha's than valid logical arguments. So @R2, I apologize for calling you a D*P SH**. Everyone knows your views @Rygg and know one likes them.

Here is what I would like you to do my friend @R2. When you post something like your quote above, go dig up some cool quote from one of Ayn Rand's novels that supports your counter position. Like from your quote above, I can't find anything from Ayn Rand that supports racism but she really hated unions so you have that angle. Liberals certainly try hard not to be racist so your paint brush seems to be turned around my friend.

antigoracle
1 / 5 (2) Oct 07, 2015
If a global message is to be sent to motivate everyone, it is the potential of climate change action bringing people together for a better world

Yet the AGW Chicken Little hypocrites continue to burn fossil fuels. If the cult can't convince it's own flock then why should anyone else listen.
howhot2
5 / 5 (2) Oct 07, 2015
I see the flavor of the day from @antigoracle is Chicken Little. Well it's difficult to not be part of the fossil fuel consumption circle. There is no denying that good buddy. I try my best to minimize my carbon foot print, do you? It's a valid point you make regarding how trapped we are to fossil fuel use. Your push-back makes it even more difficult to break that usage habit. Personally, I have solar panels but I still can't afford an EV, so that makes it tough. I'm in the market though.

So what choices are you making that will help the environment and sustain Earth? That is my retort to you good buddy.

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