Pair of noted physicists contemplate future of cosmology after detection of primordial gravitational waves

May 09, 2014 by Bob Yirka report
The Dark Sector Laboratory at Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station. At left is the South Pole Telescope. At right is the BICEP2 telescope. Credit: Amble/Wikipedia

(Phys.org) —Physicists Joseph Silk of Institut d'Astrophysique de Paris and Jens Chluba of Johns Hopkins University have together published a Perspective piece in the journal Science, where they discuss the future of cosmological research in the wake of the detection two month ago, of primordial gravitational waves in the cosmic microwave background (CMB). They suggest several possibilities and detail the pros and cons of each.

This past March researchers using the BICEP2 (background imaging of cosmic extragalactic polarization) telescope located at the South Pole found evidence of believed to have been generated by the Big Bang—evidence that gives a lot of credence to the of inflation. The theory had predicted that a certain light signature would be present in the CMB which matches what was observed at BICEP2. The findings don't prove correct, but the detection of primordial gravitational waves has caused many in the cosmology community to become believers.

Because of that, new research that will offer even more proof of the correctness of the theory is likely to be conducted. But, which sorts of research and how might it be carried out has yet to be decided. It was for this reason that Silk and Chluba have composed their article—they hope to organize the discussion which will hopefully lead to the best and most promising experiments being conducted. They suggest the most logical place to start would be sending a spectrometer into space able to detect tiny deviations in the energy spectrum in the CMB—a space based device, they reason would be more sensitive giving better readings.

The aim of such research efforts, the pair suggest would be to find evidence of recombinant radiation, which inflation theorists believe would have come from a time just after the Big Bang when temperatures dropped enough to allow for the formation of electrically neutral atoms—photons would have decoupled from matter causing light to shine throughout the universe and causing the creation of the CMB. Finding proof that such radiation exists would prove, the two suggest, that the universe did indeed cool down as theory predicts.

Silk and Chluba also note that research projects currently under consideration by NASA and the ESA are likely to be heavily impacted by the detection at BICEP2 and because of that will have to be modified to take into account what has been learned, and perhaps add something new.

Another goal, the two authors propose would be seeking the detection of "spectroscopically deviant" patches in the CMB—evidence of which would suggest the existence of other universes.

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More information: Next Steps for Cosmology, Science 9 May 2014: Vol. 344 no. 6184 pp. 586-588. DOI: 10.1126/science.1252724

Abstract
Experiments on the ground, balloons, and satellites have revolutionized our knowledge of the Big Bang by measuring the fossil glow from the first instants of the universe, the cosmic microwave background (CMB) radiation. Infinitesimal fluctuations in the photon temperature have been found, revealing the seeds of all large-scale structures, from galaxies to clusters of galaxies and superclusters. The detected wiggles in the distribution of the temperature fluctuations measure the gravitational coupling between dark matter, baryons, and radiation as the universe emerged from its opaque fireball phase. These measurements, pioneered by the Cosmic Background Explorer (COBE) (1) and then greatly refined by its successors, the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) (2) and Planck (3) satellites, have allowed precise determinations of the key parameters of our universe—age, dark matter, dark energy content, and even the number of different types of neutrinos, as well as the strength and distribution of the primordial density fluctuations. Less than two decades ago, it was debated whether the major constituent of the universe, dark energy, even existed. Now its contribution is measured to an accuracy of a few percent.

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indio007
2.5 / 5 (8) May 09, 2014
No peer review yet.
All public relations.
Pejico
May 09, 2014
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arom
1 / 5 (14) May 09, 2014
These measurements, pioneered by the Cosmic Background Explorer (COBE) (1) and then greatly refined by its successors, the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) (2) and Planck (3) satellites, have allowed precise determinations of the key parameters of our universe—age, dark matter, dark energy content, and even the number of different types of neutrinos, as well as the strength and distribution of the primordial density fluctuations. Less than two decades ago, it was debated whether the major constituent of the universe, dark energy, even existed. Now its contribution is measured to an accuracy of a few percent.

It is interesting to note that some of the key parameters of our universe such as dark matter, dark energy do not involve in the conventional general relativity theory; maybe this new thought could help to visualize them …
http://www.vacuum...=7〈=en
Benni
1 / 5 (10) May 09, 2014
"Another goal, the two authors propose would be seeking the detection of "spectroscopically deviant" patches in the CMB—evidence of which would suggest the existence of other universes."

............thus spelling the death knell of the concept we live in an infinite flat universe. The reason is simple, if the universe in which we live is infinite in size, there can be no room for anything else, just this one universe. To prove this point, I don't need to layout a discourse in differential equations like Einstein did to prove the quasi-spherical structure of the universe according to the General Theory of Relativity.

ichisan
1.9 / 5 (18) May 09, 2014
The crackpottery of mainstream physics never ceases to amaze me. Gravitational waves are a figment in the imagination of physicists. Gravity is almost certainly an instantaneous, nonlocal phenomenon. It does not propagate. Physicists should refrain from preaching their biases as science. Until and unless they can explain what causes gravity (they don't have a clue), we must take their pronouncements on the matter with a huge grain of salt.
Uncle Ira
2.8 / 5 (13) May 09, 2014
To prove this point, I don't need to layout a discourse in differential equations like Einstein did to prove the quasi-spherical structure of the universe according to the General Theory of Relativity.


@Bennie-Skippy, you still fond of the different equations things, eh? Instead of you not needing to do them to prove this other thing you so fond of saying, the "quasi-spherical" thing,,, why you not just go ahead do the different equations to show us that you really know what you talking about? Either do for us the equations or quit threatening to do them, you yelling "wolf" by now Skippy.
Uncle Ira
2.7 / 5 (14) May 09, 2014
The crackpottery of mainstream physics never ceases to amaze me. Gravitational waves are a figment in the imagination of physicists. Gravity is almost certainly an instantaneous, nonlocal phenomenon. It does not propagate. Physicists should refrain from preaching their biases as science. Until and unless they can explain what causes gravity (they don't have a clue), we must take their pronouncements on the matter with a huge grain of salt.


So Ichichian-Skippy what would your pronouncing of gravity be? And don't you dare to say to us that there ain't no gravity, that is the Reg-Skippy's idea first. And while you're not at it, don't dare to tell us about the new super secret BIG TOE you working on and wait for the book, that one is the Really-Skippy's.
ichisan
1.3 / 5 (14) May 10, 2014
And by the way, does any of you know that a time dimension makes motion impossible and that, as a result, nothing can move in spacetime by definition? This is the reason that Sir Karl Popper called spacetime "Einstein's block universe in which nothing happens." Source: Conjectures and refutation.

Wasn't Einstein the man who said that "God does not play dice with the universe" and came out against "spooky action at a distance?" Doesn't sound like he had a clue, does it? LOL.

Poor deceived souls.
AmritSorli
1 / 5 (4) May 10, 2014
GW are non existent
and
inflation model has no a minimum of theoretical and experimental data background
http://article.sc...3.11.pdf
Benni
1.4 / 5 (9) May 10, 2014
To prove this point, I don't need to layout a discourse in differential equations like Einstein did to prove the quasi-spherical structure of the universe according to the General Theory of Relativity.


@Bennie-Skippy, you still fond of the different equations things, eh? Instead of you not needing to do them to prove this other thing you so fond of saying, the "quasi-spherical" thing,,, why you not just go ahead do the different equations to show us that you really know what you talking about?


Hey there "muddy river boat engineer", Einstein already did this without my help, the problem with you & your merry band of followers is your inability to follow Einstein's differential equations proving how gravity & energy distribution forms quasi-spherical symmetry (of the universe).

If you are so much smarter than Einstein, where are your differential equations proving the opposite of his thesis?

You want to see my equations? Read the General Theory of Relativity.
Torbjorn_Larsson_OM
5 / 5 (9) May 10, 2014
About not proving inflation, it is the last outstanding prediction and BICEP2 just need confirmation. "Believers" mean swinging the consensus, such as it is, and has nothing to do with requiring a specific quality of evidence. Yirka is using an ill chosen term. There are competitor mechanisms, e.g. cyclic universes with phase transitions mimicking the found signal, but a) they are ad hoc, and b) they will likely be eliminated by the next, more resolved, experiment - it's that close to show crucial differences in PGW spectra.

Ok, Silk is a biggie, but it is odd this wasn't published on arxiv or some other place without paywall. I'm interested in what they mean with "deviant" patches in the CMB. Silk's latest paper rejects the multiverse mechanism behind the Planck verified Cold Spot "deviant" patch. [ http://arxiv.org/abs/1405.1566 ; http://en.wikiped...old_spot ]
Torbjorn_Larsson_OM
4.6 / 5 (9) May 10, 2014
@indio007: Wrong. It is published in a fully peer-review journal. (In fact, the premier Science.) And its central aim is about planning from old results, not new results as such. Still needed peer review, though.

@Pejico: Not really, the filaments are part of the LCDM model. See eg the new Illumina [sp?] simulation. And the possible artifacts (galactic dust) was eliminated by BICEP2 analysis. Since then Planck has revealed that dust is at most 15 % of these signals. (See their latest data release on precisely dust vs CMB polarization, from this week.)

@arom: Wrong. LCDM embodies GR, that is in fact a splendid confirmation of it as it is extending it over the whole observable universe and into Cold Inflation before the Hot Big Bang.

And about your pseudoscience link: pseudoscience is just bothersome and obviously wrong, not helpful in any sense but detrimental, see the history of science.
Torbjorn_Larsson_OM
5 / 5 (7) May 10, 2014
@Benni: Yes and no, respectively wrong and wrong. You are just not familiar with the 4D situation. Inflationary universes can be pocket universes, which wraps the flat cosmological space by modifying the progress of cosmological time.

But more likely bubble universes are just large, living on an infinitely flat multiverse spacetime. Potato, potatoe.

GR on the other hand is best supported by LCDM at the moment, see my response to arom, everyone knows _that_.

"Read yet another book" is a theology method of dodging responsibility. You still have to show explicit quantifiability, or you have no theory.
Torbjorn_Larsson_OM
4.5 / 5 (8) May 10, 2014
@ichisan: Wrong, wrong and wrong. By definition, crackpottery is about presenting erroneous ideas for no sensible reason, and we know it is such. Physics is the reverse, and we know it is such.

Science has no observable biases, no pre-suppositions but post-suppositions. It has a consensus mechanism, which observably acts like a damper and not as a stable bias.

The block universe is a model of GR spacetime, not necessarily a correct or complete one. Add QM, and you get interesting ideas such as entropy and so a time arrow out of decoherence.
Uncle Ira
2.3 / 5 (9) May 10, 2014
You want to see my equations? Read the General Theory of Relativity.


Well Bennie-Skippy all you say there is "I don't really know how to do the different equations but like to fling it into my postings to sound like the scientist man". So you just keep saying "different equations" and "quasi-spherical" universes because it is working really good and we everybody are tricked into thinking you must be the scientist man.
Benni
1 / 5 (5) May 10, 2014
And as listed below, along comes Uncle Ira's merry boat crew trying to help him navigate the obstacles of the muddy river barge on which he claims to be the "boat engineer". It is no wonder the "boat engineer" doesn't understand the language of Einstein's thesis of General Relativity, hell, he can't even spell the word.........it's "differential" equations, not "different". I won't get into which kind of "differential equations" because as lost as you already are, calculus like "nonlinear partial differential equations" is even further beyond you than is the concept of distribution of energy (entropy) throughout the universe.

"OZGuy, Ojorf, jsdarkdestruction, CaptainCosmic, Captain Stumpy, IMP-9, Vietvet"

And by the way Uncle Ira, don't send me anymore of your PM's I'm not impressed by them.

Pejico
May 10, 2014
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Uncle Ira
2.5 / 5 (8) May 10, 2014
And by the way Uncle Ira, don't send me anymore of your PM's I'm not impressed by them.


Bennie-Skippy ol Ira don't send out any PM's. For the one thing, I can't figure out how to make it work. For the another thing, I only post the things for everybody to see. What point could I make with making private messages? So if someone is sending you PM's using my name it is probably the Really-Skippy trying to make more trouble with me like when he said I am a sockpuppet somewhere else. Ol Ira did not send you the PM's no.

But in case there might be sometime when I need to use the PM to ask one of the smart peoples a question, you can tell me maybe how to make it work?
Captain Stumpy
3.9 / 5 (7) May 10, 2014
jsdarkdestruction, CaptainCosmic, IMP-9
@benni
if these guys listed here didn't like what you said, it is likely they saw something very problematic with your proclamations or assessment. See Torbjorn_Larsson_OM's comment for a possible reason

At least Ira tries to learn.

making assumptions without some evidence to back your claim is like having sex with your livestock: ya might get away with it and even like it, but it is likely to come back to haunt you later.
Bennie-Skippy ol Ira don't send out any PM's. For the one thing, I can't figure out how to make it work
@Uncle Ira
the PM's don't work here.... not anymore. I was told by a site admin that they might be brought back... don't know anything else
Uncle Ira
2.8 / 5 (9) May 10, 2014
P.S. for you Bennie-Skippy. Does that say you aren't going to show us that you really know what the different equations are doing? You are the one who keeps saying they are the proof, but you never show how they work to say that. The Returnering-Skippy kept on throwing out the n-body equating to prove that the Astronomer-Skippys was getting it wrong with the gravity, but he never showed us how to do the n-body equating, he just liked repeating the words. He was the Lurkering-Skippy when he was doing that.

So if you can no show us the different equations to prove your quasi-spherical everything why you not quit throwing the words out that. People is starting to think that you just like the sound of "different equations" and "quasi-spherical" words without really knowing what you are talking about, eh?
charlimopps
5 / 5 (12) May 10, 2014
Why do so many people that don't believe in modern physics read articles on a physics website?
Benni
1 / 5 (8) May 10, 2014
P.S. for you Bennie-Skippy. Does that say you aren't going to show us that you really know what the different equations are doing? You are the one who keeps saying they are the proof, but you never show how they work to say that. The Returnering-Skippy kept on throwing out the n-body equating to prove that the Astronomer-Skippys was getting it wrong with the gravity, but he never showed us how to do the n-body equating, he just liked repeating the words. He was the Lurkering-Skippy when he was doing that.

So if you can no show us the different equations to prove your quasi-spherical everything why you not quit throwing the words out that. People is starting to think that you just like the sound of "different equations" and "quasi-spherical" words without really knowing what you are talking about, eh?


Why do so many people who don't comprehend modern physics bother to read articles on a physics website Uncle Ira?
Pejico
May 10, 2014
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Osiris1
3 / 5 (2) May 10, 2014
Too much ado about which none seem informed. Differential Equations, the next step up from ordinary Calculus, are all subsets of vector Tensor Calculus. This factoid is given literally on the first day of class in DE. Classification is essential for even a hope of a solution for this branch of 'math' is almost more art than science although powerful computers can at least for low complexity give the appearance of invincible solubilities, and much reliance on LaPlacian Transformations give more hope. The sad fact is that n-body solutions are a short term containing a multitude of sins, so to speak, the expansions of which make the Fermi-Dirac vector resolution equations seem child's play. Wonder how many of you know that even earth building's structural dynamics often involve all of this plus matrices of size you have to see to believe. One only hopes to get reasonable rational exact solutions of such monsters in one's lifetime, so to speak for many such constructs above.
Uncle Ira
2.5 / 5 (8) May 10, 2014
Why do so many people who don't comprehend modern physics bother to read articles on a physics website Uncle Ira?


Maybe like me they are hoping that the Bennie-Skippy will show them one these fancy different equations he keeps telling about.

But ol Ira has given up hoping that he would by now and starting to think it's just some science sounding stuff you copied from somewhere and hope will trick us into thinking that the Bennie-Skippy really knows what he tries to talk about.

You seem to take about 100 or 90 times as much time to say read it somewhere else as it would take you to just put it down and be done with it. That is why I'm pretty certain thinking that it is just the show that you keep saying different equations so much
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (8) May 10, 2014
@Captn S.

I didn't want to comne back and post for a while, but "Uncle Ira" and his lying nd conning 'act' made it necessary, Capt.

Surely by now you can see that "Uncle Ira" is using a spambot computer system with a programmed 'version' of 'Cajun-speak' TRANSLATOR routine which 'converts' English passages to his version of "Cajun-speak"? Much like the 'Gizoogle' program:

[http://www.gizoog...ime.html]

He is the Operator of a commercial spambot system, posting here as "Uncle Ira", OBVIOUSLY using an 'English-to-Cajun-speak-converter' BOT program for his TROLLING/SABOTAGING posts. That his DISHONESTY, DIVERSIONS and LIES about OTHER MEMBERS is STILL TOLERATED, instead of being perma-banned like at other sites, should tell you that "Uncle Ira" is either a moderator/moderator's mate HERE!

Obviously! Wise up, Captn S. Bye for now. I trust "Uncle Ira" doesn't force me to come bak again sooner than I'd like.
Benni
1 / 5 (4) May 10, 2014
@Benni: Yes and no, respectively wrong and wrong. You are just not familiar with the 4D situation. Inflationary universes can be pocket universes, which wraps the flat cosmological space by modifying the progress of cosmological time.

But more likely bubble universes are just large, living on an infinitely flat multiverse spacetime.


Common sense application of science & math belies all possibility that "infinitely flat" structures can exist. If a structure is "flat", that can only mean it has a boundary which can be seen or be detected by testable analyses, meaning that using a word which by definition is the opposite of "infinite" is a meaningless & impossible soliloquy.
Uncle Ira
2.5 / 5 (8) May 10, 2014
[@Uncle Ira
the PM's don't work here.... not anymore. I was told by a site admin that they might be brought back... don't know anything else


So that was just another tall telling from the Bennie-Skippy, he gets no PM's from nobody? That figures, he can't even make up a lie that makes sense, maybe he see that written down in one of these articles and thought he'd try it on us like the different equations and quasi-spheres in the universe he keeps saying.
Uncle Ira
2.5 / 5 (8) May 10, 2014
Much like the 'Gizoogle' program:

[http://www.gizoog...ime.html


That thing don't make any thing like the way I talk Really-Skippy. You more stupid than I thought if you think that thing puts anything like a real coonass speaks. Do better there Really-Skippy-Doo.

Bye for now. I trust "Uncle Ira" doesn't force me to come bak again sooner than I'd like.


Really-Skippy, I can't force you to stay there or you to not stay there. And ol Ira don't Really-Care-What-The-Really-Skippy-Would-Like.
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (8) May 10, 2014
Poor poor "Uncle Ira", his 'Cajun-speak' act has been blown but he is too dumb to see it.

Everyone, see my previous post above for the info on what "Uncle Ira" is doing with his SPAMBOT system and 'translator' programs to pretend on the Social Media and other sites that he is someone other than a SABOTAGE TROLL and CRIMINAL SPAMMER-HACKER exploiting weaknesses in both the site software and the site MEMBERS WHO FALL FOR HIS ACT and 'friend' him.

BEWARE BEING USED BY "Uncle Ira" and his criminal ilk. He cares nothing for you escept for your GULLIBILITY so he can EXPLOIT YOU and your/others information if you are silly enough to hand it over to him thinking he is a 'friend'.

These criminal trolls and phishers are nobody's friend, only their GANG's, which is operating across the net as we speak.

Wise up and don't fall for such 'acts'. This is serious, not only for you personally, but for science discourse sites they infiltrate and sabotage and exploit for their fun and profit. Bye.
Uncle Ira
2.5 / 5 (8) May 10, 2014
@ Really-Skippy you getting stupider and stupider with every time you write something. If I am the criminal, I'm not very good at. So far I make about $0.00 for all my trouble and time. Are you one of them guys who think they look better in the aluminum wrap hats then they do in the silly looking pointy cap? They both of them look silly on you. You look silly with on cap on your head at all.

How I could exploit anybody on the physorg place just writing my thinks here for peoples to see? You have the problem understanding the word exploit like all the other words you use wrong when you use them.
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (9) May 10, 2014
PS: Unlike 'Gangsta-speak', Uncle Ira troll/spammer is using a "Cajun-speak' program in his bot system. He tried it on over at Sciforums but was spotted right away by someone who actually knew what REAL Cajun speaking should be like.

Everyone, don't fall ever again for "Uncle Ira" and his exploitation of YOU and your TRUST. He is a BAD ONE, a sociopath troll and criminal gangmember who care nothing for science or humanity, only his and their 'fun and profit' at YOUR expense.

Also, everyone, if PHYS-ORG does NOT permaban this nasty criminal troll, then consider yourself at risk of the crooked 'moderator' who is 'protecting and allowing' Uncle Ira to do his nefarious business here, and exploit your info/email etc via CROOKED MOD ACCESS to site's software and records/data ON YOU.

If anyone is able to steal an identity/impersonate anyone else here, it's the CROOKED MOD and his TROLL CRIMINAL mate "Uncle Ira".

So don't be naive enough to stay if Uncle Ira is STILL here next week! :)
Uncle Ira
2.8 / 5 (9) May 10, 2014
@ Really-Skippy are you on drugs or something? You getting Really-Skippy weird with these conspiracy things. Do better Mate-Skippy.
RealityCheck
1.4 / 5 (9) May 10, 2014
@"Uncle Ira" bot operator.

Your act is blown, stupid. You have been too obvious, stupid. All criminals who get exposed are stupid. You got exposed, stupid.

You wouldn't be doing such stupid and obvious criminal stupid things like this on the net if you weren't dumb as a brick despite any 'cunning criminal smarts' you may have.

If you are still here next week, then it will be obvious that you are a crooked mod or the mate of a crooked mod who is given 'insider access' and 'protection' so that you can go about your criminal site infiltration/spamming/scamming activities on the net.

If you are not permabanned and the crooked mod dismissed, then it may be prudent for members here to CANCEL their registration here and leave for their own PRIVACY PROTECTION.

Who can trust a PRETENDER who posts in BOT TRANSLATED "English-to-Cajun-speak" and denies it even after his and your crooked mod protector's cover/act is BLOWN?

Too dumb and insensible of their own stupidity these criminals! Doh!
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (8) May 10, 2014
@"Uncle Ira" bot operator.
@ Really-Skippy are you on drugs or something? You getting Really-Skippy weird with these conspiracy things. Do better Mate-Skippy.


Yeah, that's what the exposed crims/trolls and crooked mods always try on, blaming the victims/whistleblowers. How idiotic are you, stupid?

More insensible than your bot programs, seems like. :)

And your use of my "Do better" sign-off phrase means you are probably a long-time troll-mod here and at other sites I have posted at.

Busted!

Yes, I know who you are, idiotic troll-mod gangmember. Dumber than your bot programs. Sociopath pretending to be a 'scientist' and 'harmless'. Dumbass.

Your latest 'act' is too funny even as it is seriously sociopathic. But I have had a great laugh at your dumbshite and lame impersonations and acts here and elsewhere, so thanks for that if nothing else.

Do carry on, stupid. :) LOL
Benni
1 / 5 (6) May 10, 2014
So that was just another tall telling from the Bennie-Skippy, he gets no PM's from nobody? That figures, he can't even make up a lie that makes sense, maybe he see that written down in one of these articles and thought he'd try it on us like the different equations and quasi-spheres in the universe he keeps saying.


Barge boat engineer on a muddy river somewhere in the American Midwest, you obviously don't come to a physics site to learn ANYTHING. It begs the question of: "Why do you post in a forum so far above your comprehension & skill level for math & science at any level?"

Does your really odd posting behavior arise out of a deep rooted need to feel wanted & accepted by someone, somewhere, no matter who it is? Your following on this site has the same science & math comprehension capacity as yourself, all one needs to do is look at their site voting record as they pile aboard your boat for their next ride into muddy waters with you as their "boat engineer".
Whydening Gyre
4 / 5 (6) May 10, 2014
RC. Cajun to English translater bot program?!?!? You are sounding EXTREMELY paranoid with that one.

As to the subject matter - fields are simply a result of C being squared (or cubed or whatever). Thus, a particle (of any kind) moving at C2 (or whatever), just LOOKS like a field - us being at only C1.
Benni
1 / 5 (6) May 10, 2014
]@benni
if these guys listed here didn't like what you said, it is likely they saw something very problematic with your proclamations or assessment.


At least Ira tries to learn.


OK Stump, you show us by example of a statement from him what he's learned about science & math since he started posting on this site.........

Bennie-Skippy ol Ira don't send out any PM's. For the one thing, I can't figure out how to make it work


@Uncle Ira the PM's don't work here.... not anymore. I was told by a site admin that they might be brought back... don't know anything else

Maybe they are not working today, but they were working quite well up until a week or so ago. You are just one more totally clueless crew members on Uncle Ira's boat caught up in a cacophony of drivel about things that have nothing to do with math & science, at the same comprehension as your boat engineer Uncle Ira, what a crew with whom to go on a boat ride.
Uncle Ira
1.6 / 5 (7) May 10, 2014
Bennie-Skippy ol Ira don't send out any PM's. For the one thing, I can't figure out how to make it work


@Uncle Ira the PM's don't work here.... not anymore. I was told by a site admin that they might be brought back... don't know anything else


So why you saying to me quit doing something that don't work? You not making any more sense then the Really-Skippy with his troll bot that got the coonass english translationing machine.

I'll let that other stuffs go for now. I'm trying to sit back here not interfer but you and Really-Skippy keep eggying me on to do it.
Benni
1.6 / 5 (7) May 10, 2014
Bennie-Skippy ol Ira don't send out any PM's. For the one thing, I can't figure out how to make it work


@Uncle Ira
the PM's don't work here.... not anymore. I was told by a site admin that they might be brought back... don't know anything else


So now the obvious question is: How do you know "PM's don't work here"? Supposedly you were "told by a site official". OK, when did he tell you PM's were shut down? And how did you get through if not by PM at a time when they have already been shut down?
Uncle Ira
2.5 / 5 (8) May 10, 2014
As to the subject matter - fields are simply a result of C being squared (or cubed or whatever). Thus, a particle (of any kind) moving at C2 (or whatever), just LOOKS like a field - us being at only C1.


Hey you Whydening-Skippy, how you go man? As best as I can make out the physicist-Skippys in the article are trying give some ideas about how to do some more testing on that gravity stuff what was making the news last month. But I might be misreading it wrong.

Oh yeah, don't mind all that other stuffs, it's starting to get pretty weird and not understandable.
Uncle Ira
2.1 / 5 (7) May 10, 2014
Bennie-Skippy ol Ira don't send out any PM's. For the one thing, I can't figure out how to make it work


@Uncle Ira
the PM's don't work here.... not anymore. I was told by a site admin that they might be brought back... don't know anything else


So now the obvious question is: How do you know "PM's don't work here"? Supposedly you were "told by a site official". OK, when did he tell you PM's were shut down? And how did you get through if not by PM?


You tell me Cher, you the one who tell me to quit sending you the PM's. I told you back that I didn't send you none because I don't know how to get it work. Nobody told me anything except for you tell to quit sending them. I ain't never been able to get any kind of PM to work here.

Are you and the Really-Skippy messing around with the same drugs? You both are getting really strange with all your bots and mods and trolls and sockpuppets and PM's and Cajun translationing machines.
Benni
1.6 / 5 (7) May 10, 2014
You tell me Cher, you the one who tell me to quit sending you the PM's. I told you back that I didn't send you none because I don't know how to get it work. Nobody told me anything except for you tell to quit sending them. I ain't never been able to get any kind of PM to work here.


Capt Stumpy, the newest member of your boat crew will show you, after all he's the one who knows how to get in touch with PysOrg administration officials via PM when the rest of us are unable to do it & at a time when it is shut down. He should be sauntering up your boat's gangplank pretty shortly.
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (8) May 11, 2014
Hi Whydening Gyre. :)

Not posting much here anymore except to caution against trolls/spammers and crims like Uncle Ira.

Here is an example of what can be done with such programs (read the comments!):
http://www.gizoog...ime.html

Didn't you know that there are many 'translation' programs being trialled on the net for some time now? Some programs are being used by hackers/scammers on social sites for nefarious purposes. So a program for 'English-to-Cajun-speak' would be easy to cobble together, changing the 'word-substituting' routine from English to French, or to German etc etc. This Uncle Ira troll spambot operator is using a version which substitutes his idea of "Cajun" terms for various English words/phrases in the English text he composes his posts in before putting them through his English-toCajun-speak translator program and posting the result under his Uncle Ira account here. Not paranoia; fact.:)
Captain Stumpy
4 / 5 (4) May 11, 2014
Maybe they are not working today, but they were working quite well up until a week or so ago
@benni
when ScienceX took over, the PM functions stopped working for a large majority. you are the only one that I know of stating that the PM's worked. I am still waiting for admin to get me back my links saved in some of my PM's
Capt Stumpy, the newest member of your boat crew will show you, after all he's the one who knows how to get in touch with PysOrg administration officials via PM
read last sentance. did I say I use PM to talk to them? no. learn to read and stop being an idiot.
by the way, brainiac, if you go to the BOTTOM of the page, there is this real cool link that says CONTACT. that is how I "contacted" them, and they replied with a PM and also with e-mail. MOST sites have a contact link. moron.
@Captn S.
@RC
TLDR
not relevant. argue with Benni. he likes being stupid and I am not in the mood for trolling.

Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (6) May 11, 2014
this last part above should read
Capt Stumpy, the newest member of your boat crew will show you, after all he's the one who knows how to get in touch with PysOrg administration officials via PM
read last sentence. did I say I use PM to talk to them? no. learn to read and stop being an idiot.
by the way, brainiac, if you go to the BOTTOM of the page, there is this real cool link that says CONTACT. that is how I "contacted" them, and they replied with a PM and also with e-mail. MOST sites have a contact link. moron.
@Captn S.
@RC
TLDR
not relevant.
argue with Benni. he likes being stupid and I am not in the mood for trolling.
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (3) May 11, 2014
Hey you Whydening-Skippy, how you go man? As best as I can make out the physicist-Skippys in the article are trying give some ideas about how to do some more testing on that gravity stuff what was making the news last month. But I might be misreading it wrong.

Hey, Ira (and all). Just busy out makin a living. Some of us still have to work, y'know...:-)

Oh yeah, don't mind all that other stuffs, it's starting to get pretty weird and not understandable.

Understood. Kind of a "cult of personality" thing.
RC - I see you STILL haven't taken my advice. Get out of the lone researcher mode and go do something unrelated. You'll understand it all a little better...:-)
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (3) May 11, 2014
Perhaps the PM function is reserved for the members who have "donated"....
Benni
1 / 5 (7) May 11, 2014
Capt Stumpy, the newest member of your boat crew will show you, after all he's the one who knows how to get in touch with PysOrg administration officials via PM


read last sentence. did I say I use PM to talk to them? no. learn to read and stop being an idiot.
by the way, brainiac, if you go to the BOTTOM of the page, there is this real cool link that says CONTACT. that is how I "contacted" them, and they replied with a PM and also with e-mail. MOST sites have a contact link. moron.


Ok Captain of the river boat on which your "engineer" is Uncle Ira, quoting you: "...and they replied with a PM & also with e-mail." Again you sycophant moron, I want to know how you are using PM's to get in touch with anybody at PhysOrg a time when you say they have informed you that PM's are not working? You won't respond to that? OK then, produce the e-mail you claim to have received from PhysOrg.......
Captain Stumpy
3.4 / 5 (5) May 11, 2014
"...and they replied with a PM & also with e-mail."
@benni
wow. you really are computer illiterate. THEY sent ME a PM, not I sent them one, which is what I said. I used the "contact" link, they fired off a PM, which, if you know a little about servers and computers, this is easy for an administrator. (I thought you were an engineer? go ask your IT manager about this)
I want to know how you are using PM's to get in touch with anybody at PhysOrg a time when you say they have informed you that PM's are not working?
so much for all that college money. guess you skipped English and comprehension? are you SURE your an engineer? and you are THIS computer illiterate? you must be confused about something. try re-reading for comprehension, stupid.
tell you what... post your e-mail address and I will FORWARD you the PM message from them, so you can see the e-mail address etc for yourself.(your IT guy can show you how to look at this)
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (3) May 11, 2014
OK then, produce the e-mail you claim to have received from PhysOrg.......
@benni tard
ok
Phys.org Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 3:12 AM
To: Captain Stumpy
Hello,

The old PM system has been discontinued, but all your personal data is not lost.
We will make the archives available for download soon.

Kind regards,
Alexander
Science X team.

On 19-12-2013 16:57, Captain Stumpy wrote:

What happened to all my personal messages when phys.org swapped to science x? and how come I cannot send private messages? are yall working on this issue?

Received: by 10.76.160.40 with SMTP id xh8csp69892oab;
Fri, 20 Dec 2013 01:12:52 -0800 (PST)
X-Received: by 10.49.86.169 with SMTP id q9mr11602357qez.19.1387530772238;
Fri, 20 Dec 2013 01:12:52 -0800 (PST)
Return-Path:
Received: from server6.physorg.com (server6.physorg.com. [74.63.39.114])
by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id nh12si5285977qeb.80.2013.12.20.01.12.51
RealityCheck
1.6 / 5 (7) May 11, 2014
Hi Whyde. :)
RC - I see you STILL haven't taken my advice. Get out of the lone researcher mode and go do something unrelated. You'll understand it all a little better...:-)

Understand it all yourself yet, mate? Maybe you should get out of the 'lone artist' mode and become something like a 'lone researcher' like myself. Maybe after you spend 54 yrs at it like I did, scrupulously independent and objective, then maybe you might understand it all better like I already do. :)

Anyhow, it's not about me or you, Whyde, it's about the CAUTION against trusting "Uncle Ira" or ANYONE pretending on the net like he is with his spambot/translator etc. Ira has been banned elsewhere because of trolling, 'sockpuppet' and other nefarious sabotaging rating systems and other people's discussions.

If you STILL miss that that was the only reason I posted here lately, then you are naive and deserve to be duped and conned by TROLLS like Ira et al while you make silly comments re RC. :)

Good luck. :)
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (6) May 11, 2014
OK then, produce the e-mail
@benni and the tards
take the above to your IT technician, he can verify the IP addresses from the header info I pasted to the message. in fact, if you post your e-mail, I will even FORWARD this to your e-mail address, after I verify that it is you by receiving a reply back.
Your IT technician can show you what IP means, as well as what the headers roughly mean. Please note the DATES in the message, they are from the message and the headers.

Now, since you are not computer literate, you will need someone like a 14 year old or your IT manager at work to help you with this. maybe he still has patience with you, because I don't. I never could stand blatantly stupid people who wouldn't bother to read what was in front of their face.

feel free to try contacting science and verifying it. in fact, if you get a response, just check the headers against mine. or ask a 9 year old to show you how to do this.

RealityCheck
1.4 / 5 (9) May 11, 2014
Captain Stumpy, Whyde, everyone. It took a few seconds for the "Uncle Ira" DOWNRATING BOT to rate me a '1', straight from its programmed list, not actually involving any reading at all.

Again, the fact that THIS site and NO OTHER SITE (they all banned him) still allows this "Uncle Ira" bot and its OPERATOR to carry on like that against all science and fair play and ANTI-CRIMINAL IMPERSONATION/FRAUD rules, proves yet again that the one calling himself "Uncle Ira" is a MOD or ADMIN here trying out their BOT PROGRAMS on the net, and this is the only site left where they can do it because they are banned elsewhere when discovered in their nefarious net activities phishing, hacking, scamming and sabotaging.

Don't be suckers yourselves, guys, tell the management to STOP THAT SORT OF THING because it endangers YOUR PERSONAL DATA and POSTING RECORD; and the younger/naive members may be conned into trusting Uncle Ira and divulging info that may endanger them personally! Get it yet? Good luck
Uncle Ira
3.3 / 5 (7) May 11, 2014
@ Really-Skippy you need to see the doctor soon you.

So far you have called me all these different things and ol Ira is not sure you know what they don't mean no.

1) Call me the BOT. That one I don't understand what you mean so I don't about him.
2) Call me the troll. Non Cher, not the troll, I am a person who like to figure out what someone is having on their mind instead of what they is saying they have on their mind. There is probably a science sounding word for those peoples but I don't know what it is.
3) Call me the criminal. Ol Ira has no steal anything from anybody. Everything I got Cher I got from workiing. Unless you counting presents for the Christmas and birthdays and like that stuff. What you got Skippy I would want to steal? You got anything that is worth something to me?
4) Call me the mod gang. Any foolish man can tell ol Ira would be the last man they would give the keys to interweb site to. You must be the BIG couyon for sure if you think they make me the monitoring man anywhere.
5) Call me the stupid idiot. P'tit boug, you not say that in my face. I am ignorant of a lot things me, but I am not stupid. Or the idiot. I am not so stupid that don't know what things I don't know and ain't afraid to say I don't know.
6) Call me exploiting peoples. See the number three up there for that one. You don't got some thing that I could make no use of Cher. Has ol Ira tried to get anyone to give me anything? Has ol Ira ever asked anybody for private informations?
7) Call me a machine that talks like the coonass. Podna, I don't have no idea what that thing is abaout. I never heard os such a maching and I dare to you show a maching that talks like me. That one you posted up yesterday don't sound nothing like me or any other coonass I never did see..
8) Call me the sockpuppet. Skippy a sockpuppet is what the peoples use when they are afraid to say something with their real normal useer name. I am always the Ira-Something. And that Not-Ira-Skippy on that other place was the sockpuppet not me but somebody making trouble for me. Mayber it was you sockpuppeting trying to make your crazy ideas about the everybody doing stuff to you look real. Anybody can look at that stuffs and tell it was my material what was copy catted pasted and what was not copy catted pasted didn't even sound like me.
9) Call me banneded at places I never signed up for. I realize you are kinda stupid but if you have read the things I write I always tell about the places I been banneded. Those was the politics forum sites and I always used the Ira-Something. They banneded me for saying the nice things about Obama-Skippy and making fun with the Tea-Party-Skippys. And giving out the bad karma points to the Tea-Party-Skippys, that bugged them more than the saying nice things about Obama-Skippy. Those silly couyons banneded me 6 or 5 times but that was back at the election time when they were telling each other that no way could Obama-Skippy win again. They even took down their karma voting thing because they hated when their silly Tea-Party-Skippy stuff didn't get 100 % good ratings. One bad vote for twenty or fifteen good votes make them crazy.

So if you don't watch your self in the tall grass Really-Skippy you might find your self being a Really-Science-Experiment if the pschologiising-Skippys get a hold to you.
RealityCheck
1.4 / 5 (9) May 11, 2014
Poor "Uncle Ira" troll, too insensible to see he and his ratings bot etc is blown here and elsewhere. How stupid are you, sockpuppet, to keep playing the "Cajun-speak" translator game pretending to be anything but the troll but too stupid to do it without getting caught and exposed so easily here and elsewhere?

Bye Bye, Cajun-speak "Ira-Skippy" troll! LOL LOL :)
Benni
1 / 5 (5) May 11, 2014
"...and they replied with a PM & also with e-mail."
@benni
wow. you really are computer illiterate. THEY sent ME a PM, not I sent them one, which is what I said. I used the "contact" link, they fired off a PM, which, if you know a little about servers and computers, this is easy for an administrator. (I thought you were an engineer? go ask your IT manager about this)
I want to know how you are using PM's to get in touch with anybody at PhysOrg a time when you say they have informed you that PM's are not working?
so much for all that college money. guess you skipped English and comprehension? are you SURE your an engineer? and you are THIS computer illiterate? you must be confused about something. try re-reading for comprehension, stupid.
tell you what... post your e-mail address and I will FORWARD you the PM message from them, so you can see the e-mail address etc for yourself.


Hey there captain of a sinking river boat, a little touchy I see?

cont'd....
Benni
1 / 5 (5) May 11, 2014
......cont'd:

Stump, captain of a river boat of psycho-babble that is sinking due to an overflow of bilge water from below deck as you, Ira, & a couple other of your deckhands look to bail one another out of your sinking boat.

You still don't get it do you? Here you are still talking about engaging in exchanges of PM's at a time PhysOrg has dropped the "old system", but only you are able to do it.
Uncle Ira
3.7 / 5 (6) May 11, 2014
You still don't get it do you? Here you are still talking about engaging in exchanges of PM's at a time PhysOrg has dropped the "old system", but only you are able to do it.


If you up there Bennie-Skippy it is you that first claimed he was working the PM's Cher. You wrote for me stop sending PM's, and I tell you I didn't send them because I never did get it to work. So you calling out the Captain-Skippy for the thing you did and he did not do. They don't let delete out the postings so you can still see it up there. You tell the lie and trying to your lie on somebody else Skippy-Doo. What you learn that from the Really-Skippy or learn that in the different equation school?

How's that for bailing Cher? It's easy to bail when you got twin 2500 horsepower Detroits to power you pumps.
Benni
1 / 5 (3) May 11, 2014
If you up there Bennie-Skippy it is you that first claimed he was working the PM's Cher. You wrote for me stop sending PM's, and I tell you I didn't send them because I never did get it to work. So you calling out the Captain-Skippy for the thing you did and he did not do. They don't let delete out the postings so you can still see it up there. You tell the lie and trying to your lie on somebody else Skippy-Doo. What you learn that from the Really-Skippy or learn that in the different equation school?


Your boat Captain says you've been "learning" about science since you've been posting here ( I wonder how he knows that, maybe he's a mind reader?). What science here has enlightened you most? Be civil now, just talk about science, we don't need another cacophonous discourse of personal insults from you, just tell us what science you've learned.
Uncle Ira
4.2 / 5 (5) May 11, 2014
@ Bennie-Skippy is that the sincerely question for me or are you making the trouble? I learn plenty of things about science here. Non I don't know all the fancy words to say it but ol Ira understands a lot things more than you think I do.

On just this one article I get from the, (wait while I got to go up the page to see his name because it is one of the weird ones) okay, the Torbjorn-Skippy the multipleverses can be just as flat the this universe, even though the are calling the bubble universes. I didn't know that before he said it, I was picturing bubbles like the soap bubbles that kids blow up.
Uncle Ira
4.2 / 5 (5) May 11, 2014
@ P.S. for you Bennie-Skippy, just because I don't have the exact fancy words for everything don't mean I'm stupid or an idiot. I didn't go to the physics school but I went to the community college and learned the stuff I went there to learn about, the big engines, okayeei?

I tell you something else I bet you could not guess about how stupid I am. I play the chess very good me. I play in the tournaments all the time and been doing that since I was just the teenager. If you don't know about the chess ratings google will explain to you, Ol Ira has the 2300 about that rating from the USCF what makes me a master candidate waiting on my norms. In the FIDE I am the 2350 rating which is very good but I won't get the master rating from them because I don't get enough chances to play peoples from other countries to get my norms for that.

All that means is ignorant is not the same as stupid.
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (7) May 11, 2014
These personal exchanges and accusations by some are nonsensical and non-sequitor. While there may be more to Ira than he lets on, I doubt he is all that you claim.
Paranoia and imagination are combining to drive things out of hand. Stop it on this site.
Uncle Ira
3.8 / 5 (5) May 11, 2014
These personal exchanges and accusations by some are nonsensical and non-sequitor. While there may be more to Ira than he lets on, I doubt he is all that you claim.
Paranoia and imagination are combining to drive things out of hand. Stop it on this site.


I'm going to do that from now on and just let the Really-Skippy say what he says without responding back to him. He's gone off the deep end of the normal. Thanks Whydening-Skippy for the good advisement.
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (5) May 12, 2014

I'm going to do that from now on and just let the Really-Skippy say what he says without responding back to him. He's gone off the deep end of the normal. Thanks Whydening-Skippy for the good advisement.

YW, Ira. Hope it helps.
Captain Stumpy
4.2 / 5 (5) May 12, 2014
captain of a sinking river boat, a little touchy I see?
@benni & the tards
I never did like intentionally stupid people who claim higher intelligence but could not demonstrate it, especially with common sense. and I guess you dont know what a "truck captain" is? cant learn to google?
You still don't get it do you? Here you are still talking about engaging in exchanges of PM's at a time PhysOrg has dropped the "old system", but only you are able to do it
actually, it is YOU who is demonstrably stupid here. I never said I PM'ed them. only rec'd PM's from them (and it shows that you CANT be an engineer if you cant figure out how a site admin/server admin sends system messages). never said I was able to do it at all... but apparently you CANNOT READ EITHER.
this makes you triple stupid or WORSE, because it's been explained several times. guess you are NOT an engineer after all! it's fun catching people in LIES

LEARN TO USE A COMPUTER

PS learn anything about IP's?
Captain Stumpy
4.2 / 5 (5) May 12, 2014
Here you are still talking about engaging in exchanges of PM's
@benni the retarded wanna be engineer who cant work a computer

last points of interest: IF you were an engineer, you would understand about site admin vs user, as well as system messages (which would show up to the user as a PM unless tied DIRECTLY into the server) and e-mail
IF you were an engineer and you worked in an office you would likely have an IT manager (or tech) who could explain this to you (show him/her the headers and post, maybe they have lots of free time and crayons to show you what it means)
IF you were an engineer you would be able to take said headers and ping the servers to verify/validate the accuracy of the post
since you CANT, this VERIFIES that you are either:
-Ignorant of MANY topics engineers would NOT be ignorant of, unless you are a boat/FD engineer (unlikely, as most FD's as well as boats have Tech support)
-lying about being an engineer
-not very computer savvy and a TROLL
-illiterate
RealityCheck
1.5 / 5 (8) May 12, 2014
Hi Whyde. :)
I'm going to do that from now on and just let the Really-Skippy say what he says without responding back to him. He's gone off the deep end of the normal. Thanks Whydening-Skippy for the good advisement.

YW, Ira. Hope it helps.
Well, I wonder if you would be so one-eyed and lenient on Uncle Ira if it was YOU he was targeting with his troll tactics and ratings bot and saboteur/scam tactics.

In any case, you're safe by appeasing him so he won't target you. That's REALLY what you are doing, isn't it?

Why not have some courage, artist, and just straight out condemn Uncle Ira and his BOT and troll/saboteur tactics? Why pussyfoot around and give the impression his victims are to blame instead of the Uncle Ira troll.

Appeasing sociopaths and psychopaths on the net is just as unwise as appeasing hem in the outside world, mate...history shows us this. Learn and be brave, artist. Speak up against the trolls instead of trying to pretend they 'harmless'. Wise up:)
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (7) May 12, 2014
PS: I note the Uncle Ira automatic rating BOT is plugged in and going great today. Hardly a second or two between a post and the bot downrating from its list. Sad case of sociopathy and criminality if ever there was on the net. And some here still are so naive/cowardly as to try to pretend Uncle Ira is 'harmless'. Sad how gullible/afraid people can be. :(
rockwolf1000
5 / 5 (4) May 12, 2014
@ Benni

I will add that although I have never used the PM system I do know it has been disabled by reading other threads. (One poster asked the other to reply by PM which the 2nd poster replied that PM was no longer available.)

Hence it is quite possible for a person to know the PM system is not working WITHOUT having to try it.

@RC

Now you really have driven off the deep end haven't you? Are black helicopters following you around too? Keep the crazy posts coming, they're freakin' hilarious!!!
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (7) May 12, 2014
@rockwolf1000. :)
@RC, Now you really have driven off the deep end haven't you? Are black helicopters following you around too? Keep the crazy posts coming, they're freakin' hilarious!!!
Sure, just look at the ratings page and see the AUTOMATIC BOT RATING within 1 second of my posting, and no posts from Uncle Ira bot OPERATOR. That operator just 'sets and forgets' while he goes on to do likewise elsewhere on the net.

If you aren't aware of the HISTORY of such bot rating systems and its operators over the years, and why many sites have had to disable their ratings/feedback function precisely because of these sabotuers, scammers and sociopaths like Uncle Ira, then you are naive.

What is it about the human mind that opts for calling 'paranoia' even in the face of historical/present PROOF of what someone is "whistleblowing" about?

These 'denial' and 'dismissing' posts by you/certain others here, makes for CLASSIC STUDY in DENIAL. Just like Global Warming DENIALISTS! Funny! LOL
Pejico
May 12, 2014
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Pejico
May 12, 2014
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Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (4) May 12, 2014
Also, Science journal is quite explicit with it: Blockbuster Big Bang Result May Fizzle
@zeph
did you read the article in science magazine?
I think I will stick with the last paragraph. from the article in sciencemag
In the end, the issue may change the path forward only slightly. Many researchers had been awaiting Planck's own mapping of the polarization of the CMB, which the Planck team intends to release in October, to see if it reproduces the BICEP result. Now, however, they may be waiting as anxiously to see Planck's final map of the galactic foreground, due out at the same time, as it could make the BICEP signal go away
I just happened to be reading it when I saw this link, Z. and as I stated before, I will wait for Plank and correlation and foreground mapping.
Uncle Ira
4.2 / 5 (5) May 12, 2014
I will wait for Plank and correlation and foreground mapping.


@ Captain-Skippy, I guess we all have to wait a little longer podna. Somebody going to end up right. My money is on the professional-physicist-Skippys who have the normal theories and not the internet-forum-physicist-Skippys that are always saying the professional-physicist-Skippys are wrong about everything.

Captain Stumpy
4.2 / 5 (5) May 12, 2014
Also, Science journal is quite explicit with it: Blockbuster Big Bang Result May Fizzle
@zeph
the reason I couldn't give you a 5 was that:
I am not sure you read the article. it is not as "explicit" as you say.
and I am not sure it is saying what you think it is saying without you being more specific.

it was a good article though. I didn't like the fact that it was pursued due to internet rumor. the article first line
The biggest discovery in cosmology in a decade could turn out to be an experimental artifact—at least according to an Internet rumor
this irritates me. If the rumor was due to a large percentage of physicists, I could understand, but they only talk about one physicist (Falkowski) who pointed this out in a bog. the internet also gives you About 413,000 results (0.31 seconds) for Leprechaun Traps, so....

Captain Stumpy
4.2 / 5 (5) May 12, 2014
My money is on the professional-physicist-Skippys who have the normal theories and not the internet-forum-physicist-Skippys that are always saying the professional-physicist-Skippys are wrong about everything
@Uncle Ira
this is pretty much my state of mind as well. Until the data is either corroborated or proven wrong, it stands alone

yeah, there are plenty of internet-Skippy's looking for their 15 minutes of fame by being idiots... heck, on this site we have plenty to choose from. That is one reason I am waiting for more results. more info can't hurt, and until it gets here, I am not going to speculate because I don't have the evidence to do it.

this is also how science works, so it is exciting to me. I cant wait to see the results!
Uncle Ira
4.3 / 5 (6) May 12, 2014
the internet also gives you About 413,000 results (0.31 seconds) for Leprechaun Traps, so....


Ol Ira's internet is not as smart as your internet it only give back,,,

About 136,000 results (0.28 seconds)

I hope I'm not missing one of the good ones, because we been having the trouble with leprechauns down here.
Uncle Ira
3.9 / 5 (7) May 12, 2014
yeah, there are plenty of internet-Skippy's looking for their 15 minutes of fame by being idiots... heck, on this site we have plenty to choose from.


What I have the mostest trouble understanding about them is they always get so mad and surprised that everybody don't just stop what they are doing and believe them over the professional-Skippys who went to school to learn what they know and get paid the money to teach what the learned. What would be more stupid of me? Believe the man who went to the schools? Or believe some Skippy with the silly name on the internet forum?

If I got a ache in my back I am going spend my money with the doctor who went to the school for medical stuffs, not some Skippy on the internet who says the doctors are all stupid and wrong.
Vietvet
4.2 / 5 (5) May 12, 2014
the internet also gives you About 413,000 results (0.31 seconds) for Leprechaun Traps, so....


Ol Ira's internet is not as smart as your internet it only give back,,,

About 136,000 results (0.28 seconds)

I hope I'm not missing one of the good ones, because we been having the trouble with leprechauns down here.


Thanks for the laugh. It's been a rough day.
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (4) May 12, 2014
Ol Ira's internet is not as smart as your internet it only give back,,,
About 136,000 results (0.28 seconds)
ROTFLMFAO
@Uncle Ira
that may be because you use Google a lot to check people's posts. I seldom use Google (only three times since I owned this laptop)
Google tracks your usage and tailors your results and what you see by what you've been looking up and what you do when on line and logged into the site (like gmail)
Believe the man who went to the schools?
You are not wrong for believing that way. And as you get better and learn more, you can look at the data itself and draw your own conclusions bout what a study says. certain trolls/people here are only looking for attention. They don't care if it is negative or positive, just that they get it.

just keep doing what you are doing and don't change for anyone else, only for yourself. don't let anyone run you out. do your own work and keep on plugging away. learning takes time.

Uncle Ira
4.4 / 5 (7) May 12, 2014
just keep doing what you are doing and don't change for anyone else, only for yourself. don't let anyone run you out. do your own work and keep on plugging away. learning takes time.


It never bothers me none to tell that I don't know something. But it sure do bother some Skippys when you don't pretend you think they know everything. But I'm just going to let that certain Skippy just carry on with his weird stuffs and not have nothing to say back. Lately it gets too really strange with the machines talking coonass and the stealing private secrets and all that. Maybe he is thinking ol Ira is out to steal his secret science book before he gets it ready. He got nothing to about with that one, why would I be wasting my time to steal something I don't think is a real thing? Maybe he should trade in the silly looking pointy cap for the aluminum wrap hat.
Writela
3 / 5 (2) May 13, 2014
but they only talk about one physicist (Falkowski)
It has been discussed many times before, for example with Neil Turok.
Captain Stumpy
4.2 / 5 (5) May 13, 2014
but they only talk about one physicist (Falkowski)
It has been discussed many times before, for example with Neil Turok.
@writela
that you again zeph?
ok, please post that link from Turok about this, thanks.
still, the article is not as explicit as you made out. it does not go into a lot of detail. that was my main concern.
I would like to read the Turok reference, please.
Thank you in advance
yyz
5 / 5 (4) May 13, 2014
@Captain Stumpy,

While I don't presume to answer for Zephyr, I think the piece he's referring to is from comments made by Turok and Peter Coles in this physicsworld post: http://physicswor...-results

Nothing new here, the same "we gotta wait for confirmation" story. As previous links and you have already noted.

That's just how science works.
Captain Stumpy
4.2 / 5 (5) May 14, 2014
Nothing new here, the same "we gotta wait for confirmation" story. As previous links and you have already noted.
@yyz
thank you for the links. Yes, I think I did read this article by Turok once a while back.

I agree with you, yyz. nothing new here. we gotta wait for confirmation. that's just how I feel too.

Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (4) May 14, 2014
Understand it all yourself yet, mate? Maybe you should get out of the 'lone artist' mode and become something like a 'lone researcher' like myself. Maybe after you spend 54 yrs at it like I did, scrupulously independent and objective, then maybe you might understand it all better like I already do. :)

It's called life, dude... sometimes you get the bear an sometimes the bear gets you. Not a LONE artist - there are thousands of us out here.... You don't understand it - you just THINK you do..

Anyhow, it's not about me or you, Whyde, it's about the CAUTION against trusting "Uncle Ira" or ANYONE pretending on the net like he is with his spambot/translator etc. Ira has been banned elsewhere because of trolling, 'sockpuppet' and other nefarious sabotaging rating systems and other people's discussions.

Since I post no where else, you're warning is non-sequitor. Since I don't give 2 shits about ratings - your warning is - also pointless..
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (4) May 14, 2014
Further, RC. Unless your TOE eliminates randomness from our lexicon, it is NOT a TOE...
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (4) May 14, 2014
Hi Whyde. :)

OK, mate. At nearly 65, I think I might have learned a little more than you may assume about 'life'. :)

Anyway, the caution was general and aimed at young/naive readers who may fall for such cons (like "Uncle Ira" bot-operating troll/hacker etc) that finagle your 'trust' before stealing your info and/or duping you to act along with their sabotage tactics. So my caution was not aimed at you specifically (assuming you are too smart/experienced to fall for cons by Uncle Ira" ), but for the general membership/readers through here.

And I don't care about ratings (as you see, I don't use them). It's about the principle that a BOT automatically downrating from a programmed list irrespective of post content is anti-science and anti-fairplay; and anyone who operates such bots to con others and disrupt/sabotage discussions on the net is NOT to be trusted therefore.

That's it. No more, no less. Good luck and good thinking, mate! Bye for now. :)

Captain Stumpy
4.2 / 5 (5) May 15, 2014
At nearly 65, I think I might have learned a little more than you may assume about 'life'
but you are NO artist, so his experience trumps you there
and you are not very computer literate either, so...
JUST DROP IT and move on! its getting annoying and it's considered TROLLING/SPAMMING
@writela
that you again zeph?
@writela
I saw some other postings in another thread which were very well written and syntactically correct. I was just trying to ascertain whether Zeph had yet another sock puppet log in. If this was considered an insult I sincerely apologize an thank you for the Turok point.
It's called life, dude... Since I post no where else, you're warning is non-sequitor
@Wydening Gyre
It's ok. He is older and fixated on someone he believes is beneath him and deserving of contempt. you see this a lot in nursing homes and geriatric care... likely this fixation is due to something in his past as well as his misconceptions about things today.
PEACE
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (3) May 15, 2014
@Wydening Gyre
It's ok. He is older and fixated on someone he believes is beneath him and deserving of contempt. you see this a lot in nursing homes and geriatric care... likely this fixation is due to something in his past as well as his misconceptions about things today.
PEACE

I chalk it up to Fear of the Future. By the way - 60 coming up - with a long way to go, barring any unforeseen incidents.
and best of all - no fear...:-)
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (3) May 15, 2014
OK, mate. At nearly 65, I think I might have learned a little more than you may assume about 'life'. :)

Observing is the act of seeing and remembering an event or events.
Learning is your interpreted reaction plan. Perspective, if you will..
As observed by your seeming bitterness towards others, you have apparently not learned very well.
Good things come to those who maintain positivity.
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (5) May 24, 2014
@CaptS, Whyde. :) Mateys, do you see what you just did? You 'framed' me accordinf to your 'personal' fantasies rather than the objective facts. Consider: I warned against trusting a bot-operating troll for everyone's benefit to not become a victim of his agenda; I cautioned against accepting too readily as 'fact' the claims in that BICEP2 'paper' and urged you to do your own deeper scrutiny of their methodology, systemics and assumptions and 'interpretations' etc.

That was it. :)

Now you still prefer to kill the messenger instead of admitting I was right to do what I did in both cases? How self-serving is your approach to 'objectivity'? Ego much?

In the BICEP2 case, many mainstreamers have done exactly what I suggested and found the same flaws I alluded to. But do you say to me "thanks for the early heads-up"? No, you don't; you lamely 'frame' me as 'bitter old man' etc, which I am far from being in reality!

Shame on you two for that 'tactic' of blaming the messenger. Do better. :)
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (4) May 24, 2014
PS: @CaptS, Whyde. And now everyone is aware that there is a bot-operating troll here, then no-one can use the excuse of "I didn't know" if they get scammed by same. That was all that I wanted to do; make you aware. Good luck, guys!

OH, and for your further info, CaptS, I WAS an artist. Specializing in OIL PAINTING of various scenes from life, fiction, landscapes...but I had to give it up soon after I started because I found out that (back then) there were chemicals/elements in the paints which caused havoc with my spectrum-allergies chronic heath condition. So I switched to Science (as formal and informal) life's study/hobby. It meshed well with my longstanding Cosmology Theorizing from age nine which I was always doing as 'background thinking' because of my health problems precluded other more physically demanding/risky 'chemical/allergen exposure' activities.

That was for your info, since you brought it up and assumed I was NOT 'an artist'. :)

Anyhow, bye. Back to read-only. :)
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (3) May 24, 2014
PPS: And STILL no hard feelings this end, mateys.

Does that sound like it comes from a 'bitter old man' to you guys? LOL

Good luck and good thinking to you and yours, everyone. Bye. :)
Pejico
May 25, 2014
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maunas
1 / 5 (3) Jul 03, 2014
@ ICHISAN
The crackpottery of mainstream physics never ceases to amaze me. Gravitational waves are a figment in the imagination of physicists. Gravity is almost certainly an instantaneous, nonlocal phenomenon. It does not propagate. Physicists should refrain from preaching their biases as science. Until and unless they can explain what causes gravity (they don't have a clue), we must take their pronouncements on the matter with a huge grain of salt.

Our conceptions of MOTION, ENERGY and FORCE all are based on the observation that these entities involve gain or loss of space-time by matter. In the constitution of MATTER only motion,energy,space and forces can be found. So Matter is a condensed state of space-time. Memory of distinct (quantum) events (subjects) gives us sense of- In abstract form as TIME and in concrete form as SPACE. So motion= energy= force= matter= space= time. And all of these are quantized.
Crux of Cosmos: Added on Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:17 pm
Since many centuries ago, we know the math's of conversion of energy into force & the reverse. Since about a century we know the math's of conversion of energy into mass & vice versa. We also have the math's of decay of photons into units of spacetime which are constituents of quantum vacuum. Therefore
force, energy, mass, matter, space, time and vacuum are different phases of the same entity and all are quantized. From Einstein's relativity math's, we can know that - 'contraction of 'space' converts 'space' into time (time dilation) while contraction of 'time' converts 'time' into space.' This indicates that the same entity is changing phase. Since space is expanding, it means that the total potential (magnitude) of time possessed by the universe is decreasing by changing into space. When the time contained by the universe get's converted fully into 'space', further expansion of space would 'no more' be possible. Contraction of time means increased velocity of events with simultaneous dilation of space (increase in quantum vacuum), so the universal physical constants do not change. But increase in space (vacuum energy) requires energy, this comes from decay of mass to radiant energy which further decays to quantum vacuum. The reverse of this process i.e., the process of accretion of mass involves the contraction of space with simultaneous dilation of time. The space between heavenly bodies or particles (with or without mass) which contracts tending to create mass or more mass is the force of gravity.
Contraction of space tends to cause motion and motion tends to cause contraction of space (Force).

The entity 'mass', which provides the energy (or force fields for quantum vacuum) for conversion of time in to space is therefore also the entity 'time'. In this way we see that energy, mass, force, space and time is in fact the same entity. The oneness of mass and time is also apparent when they show the same property of dilation with increase in motion.
Motion is therefore conversion of space into time (mass).
Matter is a structure made up of space and time (mass). Acceleration creates mass from space. Resisting the motion of a particle having mass should make it loose mass (energy).Constant motion gives a constant converted amount of space into time (mass). Acceleration goes on creating mass from space (from quantum vacuum force fields/ vacuum energy). All mass produced by acceleration is positive mass. While mass produced by deceleration is negative mass.
The cosmic singularity has a negative mass/energy/time and a negative space/force which equals the positive mass/energy/time and positive space/ force of the universe. Zero mass particle.

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