Quantum reality more complex than previously thought

Oct 28, 2013
Even an individual photon can travel along both arms of the interferometer at the same time. When it is unknown which path it is travelling along, we observe interference and the appearance of interference fringes. A strong signal is visible where the crests of light waves meet, and a weak signal is obtained at the meeting point of the troughs. If it is possible to determine which arm the photon travelled along, following leakage of information from the interferometer, the fringes disappear. Credit: NLTK/Tentaris/Maciej Frolow

Imagine you order a delivery of several glass vases in different colors. Each vase is sent as a separate parcel. What would you think of the courier if the parcels arrive apparently undamaged, yet when you open them, it turns out that all the red vases are intact and all the green ones are smashed to pieces? Physicists from the University of Warsaw and the Gdansk University of Technology have demonstrated that when quantum information is transmitted, nature can be as whimsical as this crazy delivery man.

Experiments on individual , conducted by from the Faculty of Physics at the University of Warsaw (FUW) and the Faculty of Applied Physics and Mathematics at the Gdansk University of Technology (PG), have revealed yet another counterintuitive feature of the quantum world. When a quantum object is transmitted, its quantum property – whether it behaves as a wave or as a particle – appears to depend on other properties that at first glance have nothing to do with the transmission. These surprising results were published in the research journal Nature Communications.

Wave- experiments are some of the simplest and most elegant, and can be conducted by almost anyone. When a laser beam is directed at a plate with two slits, we observe a sequence of light and dark fringes. It has long been known that the fringes are visible even when just individual – single electrons or photons – pass through the slits. Physicists assume that every individual particle exhibits wave properties, passing through both slits at once and interfering with itself.

The situation is very different when it is possible to detect the path taken by a given photon or electron and determine which slit the particle has passed through, at least in principle. When information about the particle path leaks from the system to the observer, the interference disappears and instead of interference fringes no pattern is observed.

In order for photons to exhibit interference, their wavelengths must be the same, while electrons must have the same energy. However, quantum particles have a number of other properties. For example, they can be polarized (their vibrates in a certain plane) or have different spin orientations (a quantum property describing the dynamics of an object at rest).

"So far, it has been generally assumed that additional properties such as spin and polarization do not have a non-trivial impact on interference. We decided to study the topic in more depth, and we were surprised by the results we obtained," says Prof. Konrad Banaszek (FUW).

The experiments by physicists from the University of Warsaw and the Gdańsk University of Technology started by generating heralded photons. "The name sounds complicated, but the idea is simple in itself," according to Prof. Czeslaw Radzewicz (FUW). "We generate photons using a process in which they must be created in pairs. When we register one photon, we can be certain that the second was also born, and we know its properties such as direction or wavelength without destroying it. In other words, we use one photon to herald the generation of the second photon."

Each heralded photon was directed individually towards an interferometer, comprising two calcite crystals. In the first crystal, the photon was split and then sent through both arms of the interferometer at the same time. In each arm, researchers altered the polarization of the photon (the plane of vibration of its electrical field) by introducing noise. In the second calcite crystal, the paths were recombined to create a distinctive set of interference fringes, provided that the system did not leak any information as to which arm the given photon travelled along. The final stage of the experiment involved measuring the interference fringes using silicon avalanche photodiodes.

"It turned out that we were able to use measurements of interference fringes to determine how much information had leaked during transmission of the photon through the interferometer. In other words, we could be certain whether any eavesdropping had taken place during transmission," says Dr Michal Karpinski (University of Warsaw, currently University of Oxford), responsible for building the experimental system and conducting the measurements.

The results have revealed a new, surprising property of reality: the polarization of photons, or other internal degrees of freedom, play a highly non-trivial role in interference between the two paths.

"It is almost as though the quality of a courier delivery – for example, whether a glass vase delivered inside a securely packed parcel is still in one piece – depends on whether the vase is green or red. In our world the color has no bearing on whether the vase arrives intact or not. However, the condition of the parcels our 'quantum courier' delivers does indeed depend on internal properties that seem to have nothing to do with interference," according to Prof. Pawel Horodecki (PG).

The results allow physicists to examine the fundamental of reality in new, more comprehensive ways, as well as having practical applications in quantum cryptography. The Warsaw and Gdansk physicists have successfully derived a general inequality making it possible to precisely estimate the volume of information leaking from the measurement system.

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LarryD
1 / 5 (4) Oct 29, 2013
'...determine which slit the particle has passed through, at least in principle. When information about the particle path leaks from the system to the...'
Are we going back to 'hidden variables?
Zera
1.3 / 5 (14) Oct 29, 2013
essentially our grasp on reality is flawed? - we know not yet nothing but the most basic building blocks and even those could be false?
vlaaing peerd
5 / 5 (1) Oct 29, 2013
Well at least our grasp of reality doesn't make reality. I never quite understood how observing particle/waves influenced its state...still don't btw...

But yes, the more we know, the more we know we don't know. It has always been like that.

antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (2) Oct 29, 2013
It turned out that we were able to use measurements of interference fringes to determine how much information had leaked during transmission of the photon

This is a very cool result and the ramifications for data transmission security are potentially pretty big. One could gather a running statistic of the information 'leakage'. A jump in the leakage would indicate an eavesdrop attempt (e.g. via weak coupling) that isn't detectable otherwise using quantum encrypted channels. At the very least one could set a 'minimum acceptable level' of leakage for a given channel.
Doug_Huffman
1 / 5 (11) Oct 29, 2013
Benoit Mandelbrot said that reality is fractally complex. That means fractally complex on all scales. That damns bald inference connecting the dots as knowledge for the unexamined complexity between each dot at any scale.
LarryD
not rated yet Oct 29, 2013
antialias_physorg, I'm curious. The analogy that the article yses, vases, is flawed itself because you can have a package which looks undamaged on the outside but the contents can be broken. It depends on several factors, the strength of box being one and TYPE of packing used and one or two other factors. If the packing material transmit shock then vase could be broken by mere shaking leaving the outside undamaged.
What I'm suggesting is that as far as the experiment is concerned, which I find most interesting, wouldn't we have to know beforehand the '...internal degrees of freedom..' = 'hidden varaibles' so that we could be sure the interference 'jumps' weren't caused by other factors. Would that mean EPR was correct or that a modification of Bell's theorem is required?
Maybe I'm get getting my slits and polarization thoughts mixed up here.
antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (5) Oct 29, 2013
Benoit Mandelbrot said that reality is fractally complex.That means fractally complex on all scales.

Where do you get that? Fractals are an ideal construct. Nature is not unlimirted fractal in any way. It does impose limits. E.g. if you talk about landscapes being fractal then you cannot apply this below the scape of atoms or above the scale of the entire planet.
Especially in the quantum realm the notion of fractals becomes meaningless.

The analogy that the article yses, vases, is flawed itself because you can have a package which looks undamaged on the outside but the contents can be broken.

The entire gist of the analogy is that a seemingly unrelated propery (color) can have an effect on another seemingly unrelated property (broken/not broken). Don't take the analogy further than that.
Moebius
1.3 / 5 (12) Oct 29, 2013
The fact that this behavior wasn't predicted tells me we still have some profound misunderstandings of how things really are.
Noumenon
3 / 5 (25) Oct 29, 2013
Well at least our grasp of reality doesn't make reality. I never quite understood how observing particle/waves influenced its state...still don't btw...


It's because we supply the conceptual framework in which we formulate a means of ordering what is observed. For example, "Waves/particles" are macroscopically derived concepts, while the underlying reality is neither. QM tells us about our experience, not about independent reality,... i.e. depending on experimental arrangement and concepts used one could observe an electron as a wave or as a particle, like wise for all subatomic constituents.

wouldn't we have to know beforehand the '...internal degrees of freedom..


The spin, angular momentum, and magnetic quantum numbers (degrees of quantum freedom), I believe were basically derived from formulating the Laplacian of the Schrodinger equation in spherical form.
Noumenon
3.2 / 5 (26) Oct 29, 2013
wouldn't we have to know beforehand the '...internal degrees of freedom..' = 'hidden varaibles' so that we could be sure the interference 'jumps' weren't caused by other factors. Would that mean EPR was correct or that a modification of Bell's theorem is required?


Local hidden variables, of any sort, that is, in general, were disproved by Bell, so knowing beforehand couldn't possibly help anyway. Btw, "non-local hidden variables" were evidently not disproved, but the "conceptual damage" is already done.
no fate
2 / 5 (5) Oct 29, 2013
Well at least our grasp of reality doesn't make reality. I never quite understood how observing particle/waves influenced its state...still don't btw...

But yes, the more we know, the more we know we don't know. It has always been like that.



Put a little simpler than Nounenon's description, in order to obtain information about SA particles they either have to be absorbed, deflected, or impacted by another SA particle. Any interaction alters at least one aspect of their physical properties, so that what it is after measurment is never the same as what you measured.

Good call on our grasp of reality.
Noumenon
3.1 / 5 (27) Oct 29, 2013
so that what it is after measurment is never the same as what you measured.


If you observe the same particle with the same measurement (quick enough), subsequent measurements WILL actually be the same, as the wave-function containing all the information of the particle, collapses to a well defined state.

You mean to say that the complementary variable to the one measured if non-commuting, will be unknown in proportion as the one measured is known.

It is merely an analogy, albeit an acceptable one, that an interaction disturbs the object being measured in a way that results in uncertainty. This was already the case in classical physics and is known as the 'observer effect'. Unfortunately Heisenberg didn't want anyone to think he was nuts so he put it forward as a description of the uncertainty relation.

Prior to measurement there are NO "observable values" per say, ...i.e. there is no counterfactual definiteness. Observable values are created at observation.
LarryD
not rated yet Oct 29, 2013
Noumenon,'The entire gist of the analogy is that a seemingly unrelated propery (color) can have an effect on another seemingly unrelated property (broken/not broken). Don't take the analogy further than that.'
'Local hidden variables, of any sort, that is, in general, were disproved by Bell, so knowing beforehand couldn't possibly help anyway. Btw, "non-local hidden variables" were evidently not disproved, but the "conceptual damage" is already done.'
Yes the point about colour I understand but perhaps I should rephrase: to have many bits with the same colour as the whole would mean that one didn't have what one thought.

'hidden variables' EPR/Bells theorem I am aware of hence my question but "non-local hidden variables" is something I don't know about. Where may read about this? Thanks in advance

Noumenon
3.1 / 5 (26) Oct 29, 2013
The de Broglie pilot wave theory would qualify as a theory that makes use of non-local hidden variables, extended by D. Bohm.
LarryD
5 / 5 (1) Oct 30, 2013
Noumenon, yes I understand. My mistake was that I i didn't 'non-local' = 'action at a distance'. Thanks for your help.
antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (2) Oct 30, 2013
If you observe the same particle with the same measurement (quick enough), subsequent measurements WILL actually be the same

I'd not be so sure. If you measure a property you have to interact with the property - i.e. you're taking information away from the measured object regarding this property which should change its value. The uncertainty in your own measuring device means that you are - to a certain degree - uncertain as to how much information you took out. This means that you don't know how much you have changed the property and hence makes any pronouncement of the post-measurement state uncertain.

(If this weren't true you could artificially up the information contained in the universe. And I don't think that's possible)
vlaaing peerd
5 / 5 (1) Oct 30, 2013
thanks guys, I can always appreciate a good explanation and a short discussion to refine the explanation.
Noumenon
2.6 / 5 (20) Oct 30, 2013
@antialias,
But you are referencing the http://en.wikiped...rinciple again, and is nothing new in physics.

I believe Heisenberg used it as a qualitative description of the uncertainty principal, as a way of 'justifying' qm to people who were otherwise "rational" at the time.

The 'uncertainty' in qm does not refer to repeated measurements on the Same entity**, but rather on a series of entities individually, all prepared in the same state, ...a state that say has a spread in its wavefunction indicating a spread in possible values upon measurements.

Notice above I said the "same particle with the same measurement".

All the information about the qm entity is contained in the wave-function, and once a measurement is perform, the wave-function collapses into a well defined sharp spike. It will begin to spread again according to Schrodinger's prescription, but if measured quick enough, you will get the ~same measured value.

**it does on the complimentary variable
antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (1) Oct 30, 2013
All the information about the qm entity is contained in the wave-function,

You are aware that the wave function (squared) is a PROBABILITY density?
Noumenon
2.7 / 5 (21) Oct 30, 2013
All the information about the qm entity is contained in the wave-function,

You are aware that the wave function (squared) is a PROBABILITY density?


Yes, once normalized for that purpose. Information is observer dependent by definition. The wave-function is not itself a physical entity, but represents what is observable given the particular representation.
Nancy G
1 / 5 (8) Nov 02, 2013
When you change the polarity of one of the entangled photons, you change the interference pattern???
Nancy G
1 / 5 (8) Nov 02, 2013
How can noise change the spin of the photon?
Nancy G
1 / 5 (8) Nov 03, 2013
When you change the polarity of one entangled photon, the other also changes no matter what the delivery is. Are they saying that if you give one more energy or change its color, this doesn't apply?
LarryD
not rated yet Nov 03, 2013
All the information about the qm entity is contained in the wave-function,

You are aware that the wave function (squared) is a PROBABILITY density?


Yes, once normalized for that purpose. Information is observer dependent by definition. The wave-function is not itself a physical entity, but represents what is observable given the particular representation.

antialias_physorg, I think you are right! i In any case isn't normalizing just a method we use so that we can gain some understanding without involving the infinite? So that @Noumenon hasn't got it quite right; whether we normalize or not the wave function still reflects a probability.
Nancy G
1 / 5 (8) Nov 05, 2013
Why do I just get one star? Are my questions that far beneath you?
Nancy G
1 / 5 (8) Nov 05, 2013
Is that all you can talk about...wave function? Does anyone know anything about spintronics ? You do seem to be concerned about hidden variables?
mohammadshafiq_khan_1
1 / 5 (10) Nov 08, 2013
The very adopted paradigm of physics could be based on Crackpot theory. The secret that Einstein was the greatest scientific trickster ever has been unraveled through published scientific research articles.
Mass/inertia is has been shown to be because of electromagnetic interaction of matter with aether whereas physicists have been making all sorts of manipulations since more than a century. Newton & Einstein had rejected aether before introducing their laws & theories. Whereas aether has been shown to be existing and containing the secrets of light & time. Once aether is accepted space is again finite & absolute and filled up with aether, the electric dipoles, and it is aether through which forces of nature are transmitted as against the irrational action at a distance through fields without knowing the physicality of the fields, time is emergent & relative depending upon motion of the observer, and as humans perceive it, time is emergent and matter is not absolute but emergent. (This alternative paradigm reveals that there is very powerful God who has power on matter & time and everything existing in the finite space and existence of God is the prerequisite for the creation & existence of universe ).
In brief the scenario is as under
Aristotle:- Space- absolute & finite; time- absolute, matter-absolute, light/radiation- not properly known

Newton:- Space, time & matter same as Aristotle; light a wave-motion with corpuscular theory

Einstein:- Space- interconnected with time & emergent, Time-emergent & interconnected with space & relative, matter & Energy (light/radiation) is absolute & transmutable and light/radiation as wave-motion with no clue as to what is light/radiation physically.

Final state of existence:- Space-absolute & finite, time- emergent & relative depending on the motion of the observer/body with respect to aether at rest frame of reference, matter-emergent & finite, light/radiation- a electromagnetic disturbance of electric dipoles of aether creating a wave motion and all forces of nature being
electromagnetic forces which is being transmitted through aether, the electric dipoles.

Following is the list of my published scientific articles in peer-reviewed journals & sites where these articles are available
1. Experimental & Theoretical Evidences of Fallacy of Space-time Concept and Actual State of Existence of the Physical Universe
2. Foundation of Theory of Everything: Non-living Things & Living Things (Revised version on World Science Database, General Science Journal, Vixra and Academia.edu in my profile)
3.Michelson-Morley Experiment: A Misconceived & Misinterpreted Experiment
4. Energy Theory of Matter & Cosmology (Revised version on World Science Database, General Science Journal, Vixra and Academia.edu in my profile)
5. 'On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies' by Albert Einstein is Based on Trickeries (www.elixirjournal.org Feb.2012)
6.Ultimate Proof of Energy Theory of Matter & Cosmology
7. Theory of Origin & Phenomenon of Life
These publications are available at the journal site of Indian Journal
of Science & Technology (a peer-reviewed journal) www.indjst.org
(March 2012,oct 2010, oct 2011,Aug 2010) and also on www.gsjournal.net, www.worldsci.org, viXra, Intellectual Archives, ResearchGate & Academia.edu in my profile.
On the basis of above-mentioned articles an open challenge has been put forward to the adopted paradigm of physics. The standing (till date) open challenge could seen at
http://www.worlds...mp;tab=2
and
http://www.gsjour...ew/4018.
beleg
1 / 5 (3) Nov 11, 2013
(If this weren't true you could artificially up the information contained in the universe. And I don't think that's possible) - AP

Does the Zeno Quantum Effect qualify? How can you delay decay without 'upping the information contained' locally?

On the other hand I see your point from the principle of (information) conservation.
Mimath224
1 / 5 (8) Nov 16, 2013
mohammadshafiq_khan_1 have tried to access your links but apparently they have been moved. PLease clarify

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