Spread of crop pests threatens global food security as Earth warms

Sep 01, 2013

A new study has revealed that global warming is resulting in the spread of crop pests towards the North and South Poles at a rate of nearly 3 km a year. The study, published in the journal Nature Climate Change and carried out by researchers at the University of Exeter and the University of Oxford, shows a strong relationship between increased global temperatures over the past 50 years and expansion in the range of crop pests.

Currently 10-16% of global crop production is lost to pests. Crop pests include fungi, bacteria, viruses, insects, nematodes, viroids and oomycetes. The diversity of continues to expand and new strains are continually evolving. Losses of major crops to fungi, and fungi-like microorganisms, amount to enough to feed nearly nine percent of today's . The study suggests that these figures will increase further if continue to rise as predicted.

The spread of pests is caused by both human activities and natural processes but is thought to be primarily the result of international freight transportation. The study suggests that the warming climate is allowing pests to become established in previously unsuitable regions. For example, warming generally stimulates insect herbivory at as seen in outbreaks of the Mountain pine beetle (Dendroctonus ponderosae) that has destroyed large areas of pine forest in the US Pacific Northwest. In addition, the rice blast fungus which is present in over 80 countries, and has a dramatic effect both on the and ecosystem health, has now moved to wheat. Considered a new disease, wheat blast is sharply reducing wheat yields in Brazil.

Dr Dan Bebber from the University of Exeter said: "If crop pests continue to march polewards as the Earth warms the combined effects of a growing and the increased loss of crops to pests will pose a serious threat to global food security."

Professor Sarah Gurr from the University of Exeter (previously at the University of Oxford) said: "Renewed efforts are required to monitor the spread of crop pests and to control their movement from region to region if we are to halt the relentless destruction of crops across the world in the face of climate change."

The study used published observations of the distribution of 612 crop pests collected over the past 50 years. It revealed that the movement of pests north and south towards the poles, and into new previously un-colonised regions, corresponds to increased temperatures during that period.

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djr
4.1 / 5 (18) Sep 01, 2013
Observational study - that in fact confirms the globe is warming - and produces data to support the premise. I know this will not silence any one - and you certainly can't call it good news. This supports other research that shows that diseases are also on the move http://www.truthd...0130608/

- as our world changes - unfortunately - it is not just the models.
NikFromNYC
1.8 / 5 (24) Sep 01, 2013
OMG the swindle zombie studies march on under the command of the old buddies of slick haired tobacco farmer and now petrodollar mogul Albert Arnold Gore, here adding a scrapbook worthy claim for low information voters to revel in as they substitute preening hatred of disciplined thinkers with virtue, namely that as natural warming expands both the length of the growing season and melts some useless permafrost, THE SKY IS FALLING, since, uh...pests come along for the ride, terribly!

I captured dozens of these bizarre doublespeak claims in my crowning infographic which was realized by the innovation of making it "bigger on the inside than on the outside" so zoom away, dear readers who find this post on Google over the next few years.....
http://k.min.us/iby6xe.gif

Included already is: "A longer growing season is bad due to pollen allergies." When the Vice President literally screams that skepticism is "B*LLSHIT!!!," federally funded science suffers in silence.
NikFromNYC
1.9 / 5 (23) Sep 01, 2013
Witness how propaganda works thanks to gmr's parroting of doomsday Climatology cult brochure anthrax scares: instead of revealing debate reality, it purposefully slanders skeptics and skews good news into bad:

"Observational study - that in fact confirms the globe is warming - and produces data to support the premise. I know this will not silence any one - and you certainly can't call it good news."

The globe is warming at the *exact* same rate it was warming before, and yet the recent high CO₂ era two decade pause of that warming and possible overall trend shift into another Little Ice Age stands out finally since it *falsifies* the computer models that all climate alarm is based on. To add icing to his bitter cake, gmr desperately promotes the bizarre concept that a somewhat warmer and thus greener planet is bad instead of good news.

The homework question is *who*, what type of player on the stage of life, fills my scrapbook with doublespeak? Is it mere charlatans and dupes?
NikFromNYC
1.8 / 5 (24) Sep 01, 2013
Correction: it was instant five star djr instead of instant five star gmr, this time. Sorry instant five star djr, and sorry instant five star gmr.
VendicarE
3 / 5 (13) Sep 01, 2013
"OMG the swindle zombie studies" - NikkieTard

A sure sign of mental illness.

Get help Tardieboy, before you hurt yourself or more importantly hurt someone else.
VendicarE
3.1 / 5 (13) Sep 01, 2013
The migration of plants and animals northward as the planet warms is very well documented.

Of course some of those organisms that are migrating are crop pests.

Northern Forests are already being devastated by pine beetles that were once controlled by cold weather.

Now that the cold weather is gone in much of Canada, the beetles are no longer under natural control.

As you can see, the majority of this forest is dead or dying.

http://cdn-media....ullwidth

Here is the Pine Beetle's new extent in BC.

http://www.oag-bv...se01.gif
NikFromNYC
1.9 / 5 (23) Sep 01, 2013
The bemusing relation of instant five star djr to instant five star VendicarE is seen here, between ring leader and mere acolyte:
http://s10.postim...nson.jpg
http://www.youtub...zLzj-3XY

VendicarE's death threats:
http://s11.postim...eats.gif

VendicarE's sad history as one of the Net's most notorious arrest worthy trolls:
http://www.freag....icar_dec
djr
4 / 5 (12) Sep 01, 2013
Nik: "The globe is warming at the *exact* same rate it was warming before.

Really - could you support that with some data?

I did a quick google search - it looks to me like you are very wrong.

https://www.googl...26%3B491
djr
3.3 / 5 (12) Sep 01, 2013
"The bemusing relation of instant five star djr"

i rarely use the rating system - I certainly don't pay any attention to it - and I do not have any contact with any one on this board outside of the comments section. Your paranoia is showing.
NikFromNYC
1.9 / 5 (22) Sep 01, 2013
VendicarE's implication that Canada is suddenly thawing faster due to CO₂ (amplified by water vapor in alarmist computer models) has *very* interesting support from Dr. Richard Muller of Berkeley who created a brand new hockey stick version of the real temperature record by using a computer to literally chop single site records into pieces and reconnect them as if there were no jumps in the data due to things like new runways appearing at the airports where most temperature stations are located since pilots need local data so badly. On Muller's site, his graph for Canada overall must be amusingly contrasted with the actual raw data of the three longest running thermometer records that make up that result:

Infographic comparing the three oldest Canadian stations to the result:
http://postimg.or...qms7kmv/

References....
Final Canada hockey stick: http://berkeleyea...s/canada
Actual input data: http://berkeleyea...n/canada
NikFromNYC
1.8 / 5 (21) Sep 01, 2013
Nik: "The globe is warming at the *exact* same rate it was warming before.

Really - could you support that with some data?


How 'bout plots with references of the official peer-reviewed raw data from the world's oldest continuous running thermometer stations?
http://s24.postim...nous.gif

How 'bout copies of official peer-reviewed plots of the world's oldest continuously running tide gauge records?:
http://s23.postim...andy.gif

Or the peer-reviewed plot of the simple average of world tide gauges that was included in the latest 2011 update of the standard sea level study by Church & White, extracted from their paper so the light yellow plot can be seen in black, to which I added a trendline:
http://oi51.tinyp...koix.jpg

In other news, Michael "Hockey Stick" Mann this year publicly celebrated a "validation" of his hockey stick which fraudulently used Ph.D. thesis data re-dating to obtain a spurious blade by data drop off.
Gmr
3.1 / 5 (15) Sep 01, 2013
One tactic of Nik, when pressed, consists of attempting to "tear down" opponents by whatever means at his disposal. These means tend to fall into one of two categories: "View Profile" and "Search."

He will attempt to use something in one of those two places to appear more knowledgeable and/or omniscient.

When confronted with the concept that more than one person disagrees with him, he will fall back to accusations of conspiracy and/or duplicity involving sockpuppets.

What this stems from is unclear, but one good tactic is to ignore him, in thread, or better yet talk about him indirectly.
NikFromNYC
1.9 / 5 (22) Sep 01, 2013
The three five star 'r's despise satire as much as they hate riting, rithmatik and retorik.
djr
3.8 / 5 (11) Sep 01, 2013
So you provide tide gauge records for 7 cities that go back to 1850 - 1920. Thermometer records for 7 cities - most going back to 1820, and 1 city going back to 1660, and then sea level data going back to 1860, all to support your assertion that there has been no change in the rate of warming.

Here is multiple proxy data going back about 2,000 years, all showing that around 1800, there was a marked uptick in the rate of warming. http://www.ncdc.n...ast.html

I have just read a number of articles that indicate that over the past 2-3,000 years - sea levels have been relatively constant, but that they are currently rising at around 3mm per year. Here is one site - http://nsidc.org/...vel.html

Can you provide data going back at least 1000 years, that contradicts the idea that there has recently been an acceleration in warming?
VendicarE
3.5 / 5 (14) Sep 01, 2013
"How 'bout plots with references of the official peer-reviewed raw data from the world's oldest continuous running thermometer stations?" - NikkieTard

And again NikkieTard shows a plot in which all of the thermometers show warming in his attempt to claim that the world is not warming.

Such astonishing Brain Death. NikkieTard needs to get some pharmacological medical help.

http://www.youtub...nEQnWYDA
VendicarE
3.5 / 5 (14) Sep 01, 2013
"VendicarE's implication that Canada is suddenly thawing faster due to CO₂ has *very* interesting support from Dr. Richard Muller of Berkeley who created a brand new hockey stick version" - NikkieTard

Muller is interested in temperature change, so he notes the temperature change over the time series generated by each site.

NikkieTard incorrectly claims that the time series are broken up and stitched back together my Muller, when in fact each segment is treated as an independent time series.

In fact, treating each unbroken data set as an independent time series is the greates strength of Muller's method rather than the deficit that NikkieTard implies.

NikkieTard is suffering from a mental illness, and I urge him to seek help immediately.

NikFromNYC
1.8 / 5 (21) Sep 01, 2013
djr asks: "Can you provide data going back at least 1000 years, that contradicts the idea that there has recently been an acceleration in warming?"

http://www.co2sci...mwpp.php

Clickable map that shows that the vast majority of proxy studies are not headline grabbing hockey sticks but triple mountains that confirm what scientists had been teaching for a whole generation or two before the Global Warming craze took over: that the current uptick in temperature since the Little Ice Age of the early 1600s has not only warming rate precedent but bigger peak precedent in both the Roman and Medieval periods. My GREEN BANK AUTHORITY infographic includes this disinformation issue as: "Dozens of non hockey stick temperature histories don't exist."

A plot of actual proxy input data from Marcott's 2013 hockey stick that Michael Mann himself plugged about a dozen times on Facebook is seen here:
http://wattsupwit...proxies/

His own data answers you!
mountain_team_guy
1.6 / 5 (20) Sep 01, 2013
Yeah yeah, we get it already. Everything gets worse with global warming. I can read it everyday here. The end of the world must be upon us, so why not just pass out the Jim Jones Koolaid? Right after you and the rest of the believers.
GuruShabu
1.6 / 5 (19) Sep 02, 2013
yes, it's proven!
The planet is burning, the food chain is collapsing, the atmosphere is poisoned with lethal CO2!
This is SCIENCE NICK!
How in hell (it's cooler than Earth!) you don't recognise it?
You are full of dirty tactics Nick!
You are a denier!
God will punish you because you don't see the evidence shown everywhere!
OMG the oceans, the vulcans, the crowd got violent because of AGW!
OMG!
I will volunteer to go to Mars!
GuruShabu
1.8 / 5 (20) Sep 02, 2013
Ah, I forgot.
EARTH QUAKES!!!!
The other day I read an article about vulcanism and one reader - a lady - said the Planet was just paying back the damage e were doing to it. So even earthquakes are due to CO2 increase to lethal levels....
It is a pain in the neck but that's what people "believe".
VendicarE
2.9 / 5 (12) Sep 02, 2013
"a lady - said the Planet was just paying back the damage e were doing to it." - Guru

Stupidity comes in all shapes and sizes.

The other day some guy told me that he knew how to murder police officers and the time for revolution was at hand to secure his freedom from his Fascist corrupt government.

He also went on to explain that he taught physics, and that the laws of thermodynamics are a scam, that the consistency of the speed of light was a commie lie, etc. etc. etc.

He is a true American Patriot.
ubavontuba
1.8 / 5 (20) Sep 02, 2013
Spread of crop pests threatens global food security as Earth warms
How is this any different than stating: "Crop pests increase proportionately with arable acreage"

djr
3.5 / 5 (11) Sep 02, 2013
Re: Nik

Smile - Nik responds to a request for data that goes back at least a 1000 years - with two cites of the most well known GW denier bloggs. The information contained in there in no way provides the data requested. One site talks at length about the MWP - which we of course have debated to death on Physorg. Nuf said for me - I wont engage the Nik directly any more.

Down the rabbit hole.
NikFromNYC
2.1 / 5 (23) Sep 02, 2013
Death Threat Guy talking about hurting and murder reminds me of the curious case of the main straw man argument skeptic smear site, SkepticalScience.com, where someone recently noticed that images being posted elsewhere were from a directory contained on their member's only forum site at SKSForum.org, and inside that directory was other members-only content, namely the site partners as Nazi soldiers carefully emblazoned with their web site logos:

http://s13.postim...tasy.jpg

Note how "Climate Communicators" need merely drag us skeptics along until we get exhausted and hurried enough that we cite a couple of skeptical blogs and thus the "true believers" like djr who haunt their sites experience a conditioned response due to the years of daily hate speech they have been subjected to on their cult sites.

He equates skepticism with Holocaust denial, which James Hansen's pal Gavin Schmitt criticized:
http://tinypic.co...&s=5

JohnGee
2.3 / 5 (16) Sep 02, 2013
If Goebbels were alive today, you could bet your life he'd be accusing everyone of being a nazi. He'd also deny climate change.
NikFromNYC
1.9 / 5 (22) Sep 02, 2013
djr, I don't need to convince you to be effective, but showing in a public forum the *way* in which you are bristlingly inconvincible by real peer reviewed studies, that's priceless on a high traffic site like this that pops to the top of any search about the day's Global Warming news, and stays there for years.

Your question sure was a *loaded* one, wasn't it! It's fun to analyze its twisted logical structure: "Can you provide data going back at least 1000 years, that contradicts the idea that there has recently been an acceleration in warming?"

I provided dozens of real primary literature proxy study references which clearly show that "recently" only makes sense if you consider the whole 400 year smooth temperature rise back out of the Little Ice Age, and the "acceleration" was an abrupt change in trend at a pivot point, not some curve upwards that tracked CO₂.

Only your question is confused and manipulative, not my dirt simple answer. But you wont debate skeptical references!
JohnGee
2.1 / 5 (15) Sep 02, 2013
Hahaha you are deluded. You think these comments matter?
NikFromNYC
2 / 5 (20) Sep 02, 2013
Hahaha you are deluded. You think these comments matter?


My comments here are now likely permanently the number three hit on a Google search for "spread of crop pests":
http://s8.postimg...eady.jpg

That's ahead of over four million other hits. Thanks for the help guys, keeping my comments on the front page of Phys.org for a day. And thanks Apple, for putting a virtual printing press in my pocket, or currently, tucked into my Calvins as I run my CNC machine yet again tonight, ever tweaking, taking breaks...ever tweaking.
JohnGee
2.4 / 5 (17) Sep 02, 2013
My comments
Yeah, you are deluded. It's your comments, not the article, right.

That last sentence is just... wow. I hope you don't think you are a good writer.
NikFromNYC
2 / 5 (21) Sep 02, 2013
JohnGee insisted: "Yeah, you are deluded...."

Score...*another* raving lunatic fighting us evil doomsday deniers joins evangelical Christian and NAZI fantasist John Cook!!!
http://s8.postimg...iban.png

"ChristianTaliban.org is dedicated to the teaching of moral and ethical values and to protecting Earth and all its creatures." / "Yes the "Christian Taliban" is diligently working toward an America where we will be forced to worship their concept of God or face the consequences of their tactics of terror. We will live in a nation where Jewish, Muslim, and Hindu children will be forced to pray to a vengeful and hard-hearted God who will proclaim that they will burn in the fires of hell because a loveless and cruel concept of Jesus is not their personal savior. Homosexuals, human rights activists, environmentalists, women's rights advocates, and others will be persecuted, jailed, and perhaps eventually executed...."
http://www.Christ...iban.org

Egleton
2 / 5 (12) Sep 02, 2013
Please Gentlemen, compose yourselves! You are becoming quite distracted.
All rather amusing, really. Although one does try not to get too involved in the babblings of the Untermenschen.
I find the Limits to Growth curves rather disappointing in their accuracy.
NikFromNYC
1.9 / 5 (22) Sep 02, 2013
Score...*here* presents the "extinction of all life by 2030" survivalist, Arthur "Egleton" Robey:
http://s9.postimg...Road.png

The woodwork is crawling tonight with djr's and Gmr's allies.

Keywords: doomsday, cult, sect, cuckoo, berserk.

Egleton
2 / 5 (12) Sep 02, 2013
Arthur James Egleton Robey, please.
I am not ashamed of my name nor my ancestry.
And the NSA be damned.

On the contrary. How can I be considered a "Survivalist" if I have concerns for our survival?

It is a pity we insist on playing the man and not the ball though.
There was a time when the weather was one of the safe, if somewhat boring subjects.
Could it be that it is a proxy for something more profound?
We are most vociferous about what we are most unsure.
alfie_null
3.7 / 5 (9) Sep 02, 2013
djr, I don't need to convince you to be effective, but showing in a public forum the *way* in which you are bristlingly inconvincible by real peer reviewed studies, that's priceless on a high traffic site like this that pops to the top of any search about the day's Global Warming news, and stays there for years.

So, what do you believe you have accomplished? I'm reminded of those high-ranking videos of adolescents caught doing embarrassing things in front of cameras. Your foaming-at-the-mouth rants are a spectacle, nothing more.
Only your question is confused and manipulative, not my dirt simple answer.

That you accuse others of employing rhetoric is telling.
Egleton
2.1 / 5 (11) Sep 02, 2013
For a moment there I was tempted to educate you, but wisdom suggests otherwise.
NikFromNYC
2 / 5 (21) Sep 02, 2013
Arthur, your outlook online actually fondly reminds me of myself as a precocious teen as I delved through the Whole Earth Catalog, reading about space stations and shelter building, but also eventually taking in the full Bucky Fully anti-Malthus philosophy, and later hard science discipline.

Using the Nazi term for "under person" though, well, you brought out a keywords jest long after the real psychos showed up and I already had a running gag going.

The thing is though, there is no ball to play since as soon as I toss it back, AGW enthusiasts run away and scream names at me and my thirty thousand friends they call "deniers." That's about as crazy as the headline for this article if you just honestly remove the word pests since it's entirely redundant:

"Spread of crops threatens global food security as Earth warms"

And now you duck out too!
NikFromNYC
2 / 5 (21) Sep 02, 2013
alfie, as Monday dawns I already *know* that reasonable people who view my ongoing collection of infographics will be shocked by the simply obvious fact that real data falsifies claims that a Global Warming signal exists in that real data, when it does not. Obtaining very high Google ranks via Phys.org makes this site much more effective than trying to promote a small skeptical blog! Complain all you want as (1) Death Threat Guy, (2) "Denier!" Guy, (3) Goebbels Christian Taliban Guy and (4) Cold Fusion Survivalist join your debate team in what indeed is quite a public spectacle. This isn't my social club, just a radio station that puts *skeptical* comments on climate topics way ahead of blog efforts.

This thread is now linked to among the top 20 Google hits for the generic term "crop pests" and even in the top 100 for the mere word "pests."

Could I ever have done that with a little blog which contained only about a dozen infographics as content?!

-=GrassRootsWhistleblowerFromNYC=-
djr
3.7 / 5 (14) Sep 02, 2013
I will simply reiterate my first comment. This was an interesting article - that provided observational data - that reinforces the modeling that climate scientists are working with.

It is all just pieces of a massive puzzle - just like the higgs boson, and chemical element 115. Science is coooool.

I did just google 'crop pests', and Nik's name did not show up on at least the first 100 pages. Delusion is such an interesting phenomena.
NikFromNYC
2.1 / 5 (21) Sep 02, 2013
I did just google 'crop pests', and Nik's name did not show up on at least the first 100 pages. Delusion is such an interesting phenomena.


djr is a useful propoganda parrot with no sense of humor so he sees my satire and playfulness as a reflection of his own PR firm tutored smear campaigning and smoke screening, you know the PR firms behind the deadly autism/vaccine scare (and the junk science silicone breast implant scare that bankrupted Dow Corning) that created the RealClimate.org web site, or the dirty gambling money PR firm that owns the Desmog.com blog and promotes owner James Hoggan's book called "Climate Cover-Up"?

Here he insinuates that I claimed that my *name* would appear in Google hits to this article after his lazy eyes so innocently failed to notice the actual screenshot of my original Google hits claim, and then he tries to attach "the phenomenon of delusion" to my argument, eight hours later after this article has dropped off the front page of Phys.org.

runrig
3.1 / 5 (11) Sep 02, 2013
Delusion is such an interesting phenomena.


djr: Yes it is isn't it.
A particularly interesting display of self aggrandisement to boot.
NikFromNYC
2 / 5 (21) Sep 02, 2013
It is all just pieces of a massive puzzle - just like the higgs boson, and chemical element 115. Science is coooool.


The Higgs Boson and Ununpentium which is directly below Nitrogen in the Periodic Table are wonderful examples of how physics puts climatology to shame since physics by convention requires an astonishing "five sigma" statistical significance before public verification of a new discovery is offered. Then they spend billions of dollars not to support their discovery but specifically to try to *disprove* it, hoping to find at least some dent in their claim, something that doesn't fit, some constant that seems to vary, some unaccounted fluctuation. This simple act of self-discipline and rigor, the one that defines the very nature of science, is missing not only from djr's outlook, fair enough for a layman, but is also missing from the outlook of the core group of climate "scientists" who afford climatology its current emergency level funding bonus. Not coooool!
NikFromNYC
1.8 / 5 (20) Sep 02, 2013
What the "Climate Communicators" on Phys.org read:

"I am neither a scientist nor a historian, and I have no intention in this book of jumping in to the actual science "debate." " – James Hoggan ("Climate Cover-Up", 2009).

"I spend too much money on art, fine wine, skis, and high-end bicycle parts, and I am in recovery from my habit of buying luxury cars." – James Hoggan ("Climate Cover-Up", 2009).

"Few people want to give up their car or spend money retrofitting their their home heating system if they believe that scientists are still arguing over the truth of global warming." – James Hoggan ("Climate Cover-Up", 2009).

"Nobody wants to be the only person on the block who is spending money to repower their their heating system. No one wants to give up their car, change their diet, or limit their consumption if their efforts will be rendered irrelevant by the consumption patterns of those around them." – James Hoggan ("Climate Cover-Up", 2009).
NikFromNYC
2 / 5 (21) Sep 02, 2013
What the "Climate Communicators" on Phys.org read:

"Someone who is highly trained in rhetoric can argue any question from any angle." – James Hoggan

"In his 1928 book The Business of Propaganda, Bernays put into words something that every demagogue in history probably knew instinctively. He wrote, "If we understand the mechanism and motives of the group mind, is it not possible to control and regiment the masses according to our will without their knowing about it? The recent practice of propaganda has proved that it is possible, at least up to a certain point and within certain limits." – James Hoggan

"Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels praised another of Bernay's books, 'Crystallizing Public Opinion,' as having been helpful in crafting the campaign against German Jews." – James Hoggan

"I have never liked the term "spin doctor," and I hate the definition – at least I hate that someone would propose "PR person" as a reasonable synonym." – James Hoggan
NikFromNYC
2 / 5 (21) Sep 02, 2013
THE 100% CONSENSUS (!) DELUSION, AND AFTERMATH:

"Environmental skeptics are not, as they portray themselves, independent and objective analysts. Rather, they are predominantly agents of conservative think tanks, and their success in promoting skepticism about environmental problems stems from their affiliation with these politically powerful institutions." – JH

"There was 100% consensus that global warming was not caused by natural climate variations." – JH

"Denying it was wrong. Delaying action is dangerous. People who say otherwise should, at some point in the very near future, have to stand accountable for their recklessness." – JH

"You will be consuming a steady diet stories that suggest that some aspects of climate science are still in doubt." – JH

"You should be hypervigilant." – JH

"Join the neighborhood watch of those who people who no longer stand for disinformation to be passed around your social circle." – JH

"That's what we need: vigilance. Eyes on the street." - JH
VendicarE
2.4 / 5 (11) Sep 02, 2013
"Keywords: doomsday, cult, sect, cuckoo, berserk." - NikkieTard

That just about sums you up. Add dishonest and Mentally Ill, and you have yourself perfectly characterized.
VendicarE
2.4 / 5 (11) Sep 02, 2013
"examples of how physics puts climatology to shame since physics by convention requires an astonishing "five sigma" statistical significance before public verification of a new discovery is offered." - NikkieTard

Is this the same NikkieTard who is regularly seen whining that Climatologists are just in it for the free gubderment money.

Now he claims that they should spend billions trying to demolish the idea that CO2 traps heat.

Bahahahahahahah...... Sorry Moron. But the physicists you cite, have done that for the Climatologists.

Poor NikkieTard. He is a walking contradiction that doesn't have a clue to how science works.

Maybe he can find another earth that the Climatologists can put into a machine and experiment with.

Moron.
VendicarE
2.6 / 5 (12) Sep 02, 2013
"Environmental skeptics are not, as they portray themselves, independent and objective analysts. Rather, they are predominantly agents of conservative think tanks, and their success in promoting skepticism about environmental problems stems from their affiliation with these politically powerful institutions." - NikkieTard

100% correct.

Even fools like NikkieTard have their lucid moments.
NikFromNYC
2.1 / 5 (19) Sep 02, 2013
Death Threat Guy: "Now he claims that they should spend billions trying to demolish the idea that CO2 traps heat."

The main skeptical clearinghouse site, WattsUpWithThat.com has permanently banned the crackpot on-paper-only "proof" that CO₂ doesn't trap heat just as wacko chemtrail conspiracy is banned. Yet the Al Gore inspired multi-hundred million dollar PR firm supported smear campaign to push this straw man argument onto skeptics indeed misguides misfits who turn to activism to shore up their personal brand of inner chaos.

Real physicists *are* on the case, at CERN, where they are in fact already very inconveniently finding strong evidence that magnetic activity of the Sun strongly affects cloud cover and thus climate since clouds reflect massive amounts of light back into space just like polar ice caps do, but over the whole planet:
http://home.web.c...ts/cloud

But to quote the Vice President's rant: "BULLSH*T!!!"
http://www.youtub...epplqmow
NikFromNYC
2.1 / 5 (19) Sep 02, 2013
Seen here in a single rewarding glance is the *striking* difference between the wacky literally religious activist outlook of climate "science" versus the very rigorous demeanor of the CLOUD experiment physicists at CERN:
http://s21.postim...ence.jpg

One offers cartoon atoms and cartoon claims that I'm Mr. Moneybags, motivated by politics, proven by my unnatural presence on a science site, I guess....

-=NikFromNYC=-, Ph.D. in carbon chemistry (Columbia/Harvard)
GuruShabu
1 / 5 (13) Sep 03, 2013
@djr "I will simply reiterate my first comment. This was an interesting article - that provided observational data - that reinforces the modeling that climate scientists are working with.""
You highlight a very important point here, djr.
Modelling!
That's exactly what the Goebbels's Eco_Fascists do.
If you ever worked in modelling you will agree that modelling has no connection with reality but the outcome, which is always a prediction of a result that will then be compared to the real world. When modelling results are close to what we can measure in the real world we then accept the model as successful. As far as I know the largest database for modelling is about weather forecast (attention! I am saying WEATHER not climate as the misunderstanding concept is presented). Weather forecast is reasonably accurate so we watch on TV everyday its vagueness...(continue!)
GuruShabu
1 / 5 (13) Sep 03, 2013
Continuing...
On the other hand, the models on climate are far more complicated and, as a result, even accurate than their cousins WEATHER models.
For example, in the 70s there was a very strong push towards Global warming beginning with the prediction that by 2000 the Earth's temperature would be 3.2 C warmer. As everybody knowns, that number that got the hearts and minds of most of the believers, was a huge bluff, or at least a complete failure.
Nevertheless, it was never acknowledged and it was swept under the carpet. Now, almost 20 years the planet did not experience anything close to what has been "modelled" for more than half a century of pure speculation and basic propaganda, not science.
Cont...
GuruShabu
1 / 5 (13) Sep 03, 2013
Continuing...
A clear sign that this people are not serious at all is that we have an everyday bombardment of those news. All news very alarming and with economical, environmental and even recently psychological detrimental forecasts. The problem with these news is that none of them are serious enough to declare at the beginning that they are based on models. Therefore, they should be treated as such but, unfortunately, they are presented on TV shows, headlines, newspapers and even "pseudo-scientific" forums such as Physorg without even mentioning these are simply model predictions (very inaccurate btw).
For a lay person such are the great majority of people that read and watch those news it becomes their "reality". They begin to "believe" on something that is far from true in all possible aspects.
Cont...
GuruShabu
1 / 5 (14) Sep 03, 2013
Cont...
However, the propaganda is so insidious and subtle that even a blunt error:"Global Warming" simply changes to "Climate Change" with no acknowledgement whatsoever. The main title changes radically without any mention why it changed from A to B but the purpose of the propaganda is kept without changing: convince the population of the world that we are walking towards a catastrophic situation caused by poisonous CO2! The "solution" being planetary engineering is again based in two wrong assumptions: 1- climate change is anthropogenic and 2- Man can control the climate.
We all agree that climate changes all the time since the formation of the planets. Yes, all planets have some sort of "climate" and that keeps on changing according to many external and internal causes.
Cont...
GuruShabu
1 / 5 (13) Sep 03, 2013
Continuing...
Man causes local weather -not climate- changes. A typical example is the Kilimanjaro snow coverage that is decreasing NOT because of any climate change but because of local anthropogenic WEATHER changes due to the deforestation of its slopes for agriculture.
Even here in this simple example the climate alarmist brigade fails to recognise that the change is local and not global. Anyway, there are endless examples of the unscientific methods used by these people. However, very few are really aware of those flaws and the scheme progresses regardless the majority of scientific data and community saying otherwise.
True and very sad.
djr
3.2 / 5 (5) Sep 03, 2013
True and very sad.

Guru's 4 pages of nonsense are certainly sad. Let me take apart just one issue. If humans can change weather (as Guru concedes) - then by extension - humans can change climate. It is of course a huge question to wonder to what degree - and that is an almost impossible question to answer - as we do not have a few hundred earths to play with - in order to design experiments to answer that question. However - Guru's premise is shown to be false. We can of course affect our world. Look at the run off from agriculture - that is causing dead zones in the oceans. We can cut down the rain forests. We can alter the content of our atmosphere - etc. etc. When the persons premise is fundamentally wrong - the person does not know what they are talking about - and should shut up and do some reading.
GuruShabu
1 / 5 (13) Sep 03, 2013
To djr
There are other examples of LOCAL weather disruption by humans. (But the alarmists don't like to say that)
For instance, in large wind farms, in areas where the wind flows with minimum turbulence (so, in mountains this does not happen) it has been shown that the local weather is modified.
The example on Kilimanjaro is typical, djr.
It is local not global.
I'll give you another example where LOCALISED weather is created by humans.
have you been in NY?
Well, have you experienced the wind tunnel effect caused by high buildings?
That's another example of LOCAL anthropomorphic weather.
You thinking/reasoning is very shallow.
Probably because of your urgency to defend yourself.
Please, be more detached.
We are not discussing you.
The issue is much bigger than that.
It is NOT personal.
Keep cool my friend.
GuruShabu
1 / 5 (13) Sep 03, 2013
djr,
Don't tell people to shut up.
When discussing ideas arrogance is directly proportional to ignorance and inversely proportional to the squared culture.
...:)
djr
3.7 / 5 (6) Sep 03, 2013
Don't tell people to shut up.

Guru - you spammed a science web site with a bunch of rubbish. Your rubbish was so easy to demonstrate. I am not your friend. I do look at these things personally. If you do not look at it personally - why do you spam the internet with your rubbish. It is clear and obvious that if humans can affect weather - they can of course affect climate. In my view - you are out to hold the human race in ignorance - and thus deserving of disdain. It is very clear to me that there is great validity in looking at someone who is calling all of science a conspiracy - and then going on a science web site and unloading a diatribe of rubbish. Fine - I will be a little more restrained - understand your subject before claiming that you know more than 10,000 scientists who are working hard to help us progress as a species - there - happy?
djr
3.4 / 5 (5) Sep 03, 2013
When discussing ideas arrogance is directly proportional to ignorance and inversely proportional to the squared culture.

Where did you get this from? Maybe you should tell Nik about it. Actually I think there are some very stupid, humble people, and equally some very arrogant geniuses out there.
antigoracle
1.3 / 5 (15) Sep 10, 2013
Now that the cold weather is gone in much of Canada, the beetles are no longer under natural control.

Really!!!
You must be from the arse end of Canada where farts make it hotter.
Maybe, just maybe, it's not our control of forest fires that have allowed pine beetles to flourish.
http://www.pc.gc....b1a.aspx

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