New reports allege vast US Internet spying sweep

Jun 07, 2013 by Stephen Collinson
US spies are secretly tapping into servers of nine Internet giants including Apple, Facebook, Microsoft and Google in a vast anti-terror sweep targeting foreigners, explosive reports said

US spies are secretly tapping into servers of nine Internet giants including Apple, Facebook, Microsoft and Google in a vast anti-terror sweep targeting foreigners, explosive reports said Thursday.

Stung by a dizzying 24 hours of revelations on covert programs, the top US spy James Clapper slammed disclosure of information about the scheme, and warned that leaks about a separate program to mine domestic phone records hurt US national security.

The White House, meanwhile, facing a fast-escalating controversy over the scale and scope of secret surveillance programs, denied spying on Americans but insisted it must use every tool available to keep the US homeland safe.

The , citing a career intelligence officer, said the (NSA) had direct access to Internet firm servers, to track an individual's web presence via audio, video, photographs and emails.

Some of the biggest firms in were caught up in the program, known as PRISM, including Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, , Apple, PalTalk, AOL, and YouTube, the reports said.

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The paper said the leak came from a career intelligence officer "with firsthand experience of these systems and horror at their capabilities."

"They quite literally can watch your ideas form as you type," the officer was quoted as saying.

Internet giants however denied opening their doors for US spy agencies.

"We have never heard of PRISM," said Apple spokesman Steve Dowling.

"We do not provide any government agency with direct access to our servers, and any government agency requesting customer data must get a court order."

Facebook's chief security officer Joe Sullivan said the huge social network did not provide any access to government organizations.

and Microsoft were also adamant that they only disclose what is legally demanded.

US spies are secretly tapping into servers of nine Internet giants including Apple, Facebook, Microsoft and Google in a vast anti-terror sweep targeting foreigners, explosive reports said

In response to the reports, also carried by Britain's Guardian newspaper, the White House said Americans were not being spied on, but did not deny the program existed.

"It involves extensive procedures, specifically approved by the court, to ensure that only non-US persons outside the US are targeted, and that minimize the acquisition, retention and dissemination of incidentally acquired information about US persons," the official said.

Congress recently reauthorized the program under Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act "after extensive hearings and debate," the official added.

As a damage control operation gathered pace, Clapper warned that data gathered under the program was "among the most important and valuable foreign intelligence information we collect."

"The unauthorized disclosure of information about this important and entirely legal program is reprehensible and risks important protections for the security of Americans," Clapper said.

Claims of the Internet spy operation broke as Washington reeled from a Guardian newspaper report on Wednesday detailing an apparent operation by the NSA to capture millions of domestic phone records.

The American Civil Liberties Union branded the program, authorized by a top secret court order, as "beyond Orwellian."

The group urged supporters to get angry and "be part of a strong public outcry against this program" by signing a petition.

But Mike Rogers, Republican chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, said the program had stopped a terrorist attack on US soil.

Advocates say the data, collected on calls inside and outside the United States by the NSA, can be crunched to show patterns of communication to alert to possible planning for terror attacks.

Senior US officials, while not confirming reports in the Guardian, defended the concept and argued the program was lawful and subject to multiple checks and balances across the government.

"The top priority of the president of the United States is the national security of the United States. We need to make sure we have the tools we need to confront the threat posed by terrorists," White House spokesman Josh Earnest said.

But he said President Barack Obama welcomed a debate on the balance between civil liberties and security.

Officials said the program did not "listen in" on calls or pull the names of those on the line, but simply collated phone numbers, the length of individual calls and other data.

Clapper, the Director of National Intelligence, said the Guardian report discussing the program, based on a secret court document ordering phone provider Verizon to turn over records, was "misleading."

He said he had ordered the declassification of certain information about the program so Americans could understand the limits of its use.

Randy Milch, Verizon's Executive Vice President and General Counsel, said in a message to staff that he was legally forbidden to comment, but that any such court order would compel the company to comply.

An NSA phone surveillance program was first reported during the administration of president George W. Bush—Obama's predecessor—and formed part of sweeping anti-terror laws and a surveillance structure adopted after the September 11, 2001 terror attacks in the United States.

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Doug_Huffman
3.3 / 5 (13) Jun 07, 2013
Employ PhoneCrypt, RSA-PGP e-mail, WebPG HTTPS and Full Disk Encryption. They may be able to crack RSA encryption but only at great expense. Exercise Kant's Categorical Imperative - "Act only according to that maxim whereby you can, at the same time, will that it should become a universal law."

Now that they are demanding backdoors, no more updates to functioning INETF RFC's programs.

Safety is the new Liberty, and recklessness is the new Freedom, and Anony Mouse is the new John Handcock.
dogbert
2.9 / 5 (17) Jun 07, 2013
The fourth amendment to the U.S. constitution has been cut out and shredded.

What this really means is that our government believes it is no longer constrained by our constitution and can do whatever it wants.

We no longer live under a rule of law.
verkle
2.1 / 5 (14) Jun 07, 2013
The fragile foundation under President Obama is cracking everywhere.
The law is finally catching up to him, too.

jdbertron
3 / 5 (6) Jun 07, 2013
freethinking
1.7 / 5 (17) Jun 07, 2013
Hezbollah Progressives Like Obama use the IRS, DOJ, DOE, DEA, EPA to attack their enemies.

Hezbollah Progressives on this board use sockpuppets toot, open, 8ball, etc. to attack their enemies. Thing is Hezbollah Progressives, the truth is the truth, freedom is freedom, honor is honor.

Those that have truth and honor and want freedom do not resort to lies, deceit, deception, shouting down those they don't like, voting often (even if dead), bullying. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Sanger, would be proud of you for standing up for and promoting the cause of tyranny.
freethinking
2.1 / 5 (15) Jun 07, 2013
Wasn't It Candidate Obama who said it was wrong to spy on suspected Terrorists, Isn't is President Obama who is now spying on all Americans?

So if I understand Obama, spying on terrorists is BAAAAAAD when a Republican does it, but spying on ALL AMERICANS is GOOOOOOD when he does it.

And we can be sure Obama won't use any information on innocent AMERICANS against them, just as we can be sure he wouldn't use the IRS, DOJ, EPA to investigate, hinder, harm conservatives.

Hezbollah Progressives, please say with me. WE TRUST OBAMA..... WE TRUST OBAMA..... WE TRUST OBAMA...We don't see lavish parties thrown by IRS and other government agencies,.... we don't see government agencies attacking anyone .... we don't see government out of control..... WE LOVE OBAMA..... WE LOVE OBAMA.....we don't see anything, we don't hear anything, we know nothing!!!! Anyone who disagrees is a racist.
zaxxon451
3.4 / 5 (5) Jun 07, 2013
Most progressives that I know are coming around to see that our government owes allegiance to no one except their corporate owners. Obama is a corporate shill and no different than any other president of the past 30 years.
cantdrive85
2.8 / 5 (16) Jun 07, 2013
Welcome to America, comrades.

TheGhostofOtto1923
1.8 / 5 (10) Jun 07, 2013
The fourth amendment to the U.S. constitution has been cut out and shredded.

What this really means is that our government believes it is no longer constrained by our constitution and can do whatever it wants.

We no longer live under a rule of law.
What, you would prefer sharia law? The people who we are trying to protect ourselves from, do. Is that what you want dog? You would have to give up your happy little lovegod you know.
freethinking
2.9 / 5 (15) Jun 07, 2013
corporations and industry are not evil nor are they good. Their goal is to grow and make money. Making money is not evil.

Government's role is external protection and ensure that everyone plays on an equal (but not necessary fair) playing field. Only when government starts to pick winners and losers that things go bad and corruption ensues. Small government, with less power, one that fears the people ensures freedom. Large government with control over our daily lives, a government that the people fear, ensures corruption, and the destruction of liberty.

Big government ALWAYS leads to corruption and tyranny.

If Nazi Germany had Prism, there would not be a Jew alive.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.9 / 5 (9) Jun 07, 2013


Wasn't It Candidate Obama who said it was wrong to spy on suspected Terrorists
No.

''Nobody is listening to your telephone calls.''

''We have to make choices as a society,'' Obama said in his first remarks about revelations of the huge scope of government surveillance. ''It's important to recognize that you can't have 100 percent security and also then have 100 percent privacy and zero inconvenience.''

''If people can't trust not only the executive branch but also don't trust Congress and don't trust federal judges to make sure that we're abiding by the Constitution, due process and rule of law, then we're going to have some problems here"

-is what he said.
dogbert
1.7 / 5 (11) Jun 07, 2013
Our enemies envy our freedom and seek to destroy it. They rejoice when our constitution is trampled and our freedoms and privacy are taken away.

Our government concedes defeat to them when it tramples on its citizens.

Our government lacks courage and projects their own failings on us (U.S.). We are not afraid of our enemies and do not agree to have our rights trampled.
zaxxon451
3.7 / 5 (3) Jun 08, 2013
corporations and industry are not evil nor are they good. Their goal is to grow and make money. Making money is not evil.


With all due respect to a fellow freethinker, my definition of evil must be different than yours. To me, "evil" can be associated with any corporation that uses its power and influence to increase their profit margins to the detriment of the rest of the society of which they are a part.
Guy_Underbridge
2.6 / 5 (5) Jun 08, 2013
You folks are hilarious. Every government on the effing planet has built in (and uses) the capability to listen in on it's citizens since the advent of national telephone systems.

Your feigned surprise and indignation will change nothing. Get used to it.
Guy_Underbridge
2 / 5 (4) Jun 08, 2013
Our enemies envy our freedom and seek to destroy it...
Your 'freedom' only exists in your head.
dogbert
1.7 / 5 (11) Jun 08, 2013
Guy_Underbridge,
Your 'freedom' only exists in your head.


No, it is quite real. People like yourself have been somewhat successful in destroying our freedom, but you have not eliminated it yet.

For example, try declaring that you are homosexual in the U.S. Now try traveling to Iran and making the same declaration. In the U.S., some people may shake their heads. In Iran, they will remove your head.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.5 / 5 (8) Jun 08, 2013
Our enemies envy our freedom and seek to destroy it. They rejoice when our constitution is trampled and our freedoms and privacy are taken away.

Our government concedes defeat to them when it tramples on its citizens
Your brain is ALL tangled up.

Why should citizens toil to build walls around their city when there is no threat? Walls restrict freedom of movement. They cost a great deal of time and money to build and maintain and man.

But it is always better to build walls in times of peace because it is usually too late when you see the enemy approaching out of the forest.

NO PEOPLE ARE FREE as long as enemies exist. You want to blame our leaders who have the foresight to build walls while we still have the chance, rather than blaming the ENEMY who makes them necessary.

Dont be stupid. Blame the ENEMY. Support all efforts to destroy him so that we will no longer need walls.

The enemy is in all cases Religion.
http://www.youtub...3vhTO248
kochevnik
3 / 5 (10) Jun 08, 2013
@dogbert and @freethingking

I mostly agree with your posts in this thread. However the ONE realization you have yet to experience is that RELIGION is the force that creates all your ENEMIES. Otto already stated that point. I'm just echoing it

We use out minds to create divisions. We create race and society huddles around these distinctions, trying to make them a real thing. Religion separates people by a system of judgements, dividing them in to heaven and heathens. Naturally heathens are second class in that mindset. All these are false distinctions, aka FUCKING BULLSHIT. They only exists in people's heads, like hobbits, leprechauns, ghosts, and zombie jews. Larger-scale wars between nation-states always revolve around mercantilism, with theft of the loser the unstated goal. War is glorified robbery at a banking level
dogbert
2.1 / 5 (11) Jun 08, 2013
kochevnik,
I mostly agree with your posts in this thread. However the ONE realization you have yet to experience is that RELIGION is the force that creates all your ENEMIES.


How many enemies has your religion created?

Evil is quite able to exist and to destroy absent any religious framework.

kochevnik
2.7 / 5 (7) Jun 08, 2013
kochevnik,
I mostly agree with your posts in this thread. However the ONE realization you have yet to experience is that RELIGION is the force that creates all your ENEMIES.


How many enemies has your religion created?

Evil is quite able to exist and to destroy absent any religious framework.

What religion? Do you mean atheism, which is my dog's religion?
VendicarE
2 / 5 (4) Jun 08, 2013
"People like yourself have been somewhat successful in destroying our freedom, but you have not eliminated it yet." - DogBerTard

What DogBerTard and other pathetics of his ilk, are incapable of accepting is that as technology increases their sphere of influence and their impact on the world around them through manipulation or consumption, that sphere will necessarily intersect the sphere's of others, and where this happens, the rights of one individual or the other will necessarily need to be constrained.

This reality has nothing at all to do with Prism of course. Prism tracks public behavior and public behavior has never and can never be claimed as private.

VendicarE
2 / 5 (4) Jun 08, 2013
"How many enemies has your religion created?" - DogBerTard

Since I am an atheist, the answer to that would be
VendicarE
2.6 / 5 (5) Jun 08, 2013
"Our enemies envy our freedom and seek to destroy it." - DogBerTard

Are you sure you don't fear their freedom and as a result seek to destroy theirs?

Given America's long history of state sponsored terrorism, that would appear to be more likely.

With over 2 million American citizens in in the American Gulag system, More than the Russians ever had,

DogberTard can't be taken seriously.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.8 / 5 (5) Jun 08, 2013
"How many enemies has your religion created?" - DogBerTard

Since I am an atheist, the answer to that would be
No you didnt watch Yousef Al-Khattab, formerly Joseph Cohen, as interviewed by dawkins in the vid I posted. He hates your GUTS and would gladly cut them out for you because you let people fornicate in the street and your women dress like whores.

Orthodox jews in jerusalem and fundys in peopia feel much the same way.
VendicarE
2 / 5 (4) Jun 08, 2013
"The fourth amendment to the U.S. constitution has been cut out and shredded." - DogberTard

By Republican Ronald Reagan, who started the Total Information Awareness program.

It was heavily promoted by his good Buddy and fellow Republican, John Poindexter, the Convicted Iran Contra criminal.
VendicarE
3 / 5 (2) Jun 08, 2013
"The fragile foundation under President Obama is cracking everywhere." - Tard Boy

Due to a spying program created and promoted by Republican Ronald Reagan?

Don't you Conservative Retards worship the man?
VendicarE
2 / 5 (4) Jun 08, 2013
"Hezbollah Progressives Like Obama use the IRS, DOJ, DOE, DEA, EPA to attack their enemies." - FreeTard

I have seen hundreds of Tea-Baggers claiming on line that paying taxes is not a legal requirement and that they haven't paid taxes in decades.

Perhaps the Free-Tard can explain to us why those worthless, lying, Tea-Baggers shouldn't be audited to insure that they are not breaking the law?
VendicarE
2 / 5 (4) Jun 08, 2013
"corporations and industry are not evil nor are they good. Their goal is to grow and make money. Making money is not evil." - FreeTard

And yet Republican mouthpieces are regularly proclaiming the evils of "Liberal Media", (owned by Conservatives), and Hollywood.

So which is it Tard Boy. Are those corporations that are just in it for the money, evil or not?

Make up your tiny little Conservative mind.
VendicarE
2 / 5 (4) Jun 08, 2013
"Government's role is external protection and ensure that everyone plays on an equal (but not necessary fair) playing field. " - FreeTard

That is only one goal of Government. Your own constitution outlines many others.

Maybe you Libertarian/Randit Retards should read your own nation's constitution some time.

You might actually learn something.

Naaa. Impossible. Your mind is to polluted and thoughts too incoherent and disjoint.
Guy_Underbridge
5 / 5 (2) Jun 09, 2013
Guy_Underbridge,
Your 'freedom' only exists in your head.


No, it is quite real...

For example, try declaring that you are homosexual...in Iran...

Deflect all you want to, but we're not talking about your sexual fantasies.
We're talking about governments, specifically the USA, that tap your phone and read your email.
Thirty+ years in the telecom industry have left me with the opinion that
- Every Government On The Planet Does It, and
- They Always Have.
Whether they openly admit to or not is all that props up you illusion of 'Freedom'.
dogbert
1.8 / 5 (10) Jun 09, 2013
Guy_Underbridge,

We have a constitutional government. Our constitution affords certain rights and constrains our government. One of the constraints on our government is the fourth amendment:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


Our government has violated that constitutional provision. It remains to be seen if they will be forced to honor their constitutional commitments.

I understand that you have worked for more than 30 years in an industry which you say routinely violates the law and discloses confidential information of its clients. I have to wonder at your lack of integrity. Why did you continue to work for a company that violates the law? Are you still doing that?
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.1 / 5 (7) Jun 09, 2013
hello dog

Dogs are domesticated animals and as such have been selected over many gens for favorable abilities such as following inane orders without thinking and doing embarrassing tricks for biscuits.

You are obviously well-trained as you want to blame our govt instead of our enemies for the need to keep you on a leash. This attitude can only be maintained by NOT thinking about it, which you must admit is one of your very best tricks.

I bet you would happily chase your own tail without being told to do so. Better than coney island eh?
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.1 / 5 (7) Jun 09, 2013
Continuing the analogy, while you can perhaps be trusted not to run out into traffic (unless you are told to do so) the enemy has pit bulls which will TEAR YOU APART if they are allowed to roam freely.

This is perhaps an efficient way of determining which dogs can be trusted and which cannot, and of culling those which can't. And the Only Way apparently of convincing the people of the obvious need for leash laws.

So in summation, you should be GRATEFUL for your leash because leashes are keeping you from being torn ASUNDER by crazed jihadist pit bulls.
KBK
3 / 5 (8) Jun 09, 2013
The US HOMELAND. 'Homeland', as a word, is used by fascists as a cover word to elicit a response in the public. That is it's history.

What are these groups afraid of? It certainly has nothing to do with terrorists. What are they hiding, that they feel they need to get this deep into people's lives?

How much of this is corporate driven, corporations doing black work for governments, now it's impossible to tell the two apart. The encyclopedic definition of fascism is when corporations (money financial control, industry etc) collude with governments, to dominate and control the public against the interests and the safety of the public. All done for the benefit of the corporations and the people controlling government offices. The very definition of fascism. Fascists also point fingers at everyone else and wrap themselves in the flag, all while killing and murdering with no morals and ethics.

Look around you in the USA. What do you see?-Fascism running rampant, headed for overdrive.
dogbert
1 / 5 (7) Jun 09, 2013
KBK,
'Homeland', as a word, is used by fascists as a cover word to elicit a response in the public. That is it's history.


In Nazi Germany, the word was 'Fatherland'. Same reason.
VendicarE
3.7 / 5 (3) Jun 09, 2013
"Our government has violated that constitutional provision." - DogberTard

That is your uneducated and uninformed opinion.

The courts have ruled otherwise., and they define what is legal and constitutional..

Where were you 30 years ago when Republican Traitors Reagan and Poindexter were setting up this system?

There have been persistent reports of NSA wire tap boxes being installed in telephone exchange offices for decades, and your Corrupt nation has built the the two largest data processing centers in the world to intercept. monitor, and store for years, telephone traffic.

Do you honestly think that the employees of Segate haven't figured out where those hundreds of thousands of hard drives they are selling to the NSA have been going for the last several decades.

You pathetic Moron.

Why do you think that Version, AT&T and the others have black ops centers and black hat operatives with nearly unlimited budgets who are flown all over the world on the NSA dime to do special jobs
VendicarE
3 / 5 (2) Jun 09, 2013
"In Nazi Germany, the word was 'Fatherland'." - DogBerTard

Fascism is the inevitable result of voting Republican.

You were repeatedly warned about electing Republicans. You didn't listen. Now suffer and die.
freethinking
1.5 / 5 (8) Jun 09, 2013
zaxx,

Are you evil because you wanted to make more money this year than last? You, just like a corporation, want to make more. As long as it is ethically made, making more money isn't evil. If I work harder, have a better product, or am a better salesperson than you, I MAY reduce your income IF you work in the same field and same area as I do. Is that evil, I don't think so.

Ethics is what matters, rule of law is what matters, that we are all treated the same by government and the courts is what matters. When government picks winners and losers, that is evil. When the law is unequally applied, that is evil.
VendicarE
2.3 / 5 (3) Jun 09, 2013
"Ethics is what matters" - FreeTard

Since you are a Faux news viewer and sock puppet, clearly you have no ethics.

Where are those Iraqi WMD again FreeTard?
beleg
1 / 5 (4) Jun 10, 2013
Future information handling systems will dispense with (hardly) any hardware.
Bigger is better provides 'jobs' and all associations with the consequences. Prism=primitive.

To get the drift think lens-less (visual) monitoring and the goal of data density.
All information at everyone's fingertips creates equality.
You decide the fate of non detectable eavesdropping.

freethinking
2 / 5 (8) Jun 10, 2013
VD, I'm not sure if you are delusional and really believe all the lies and hate you spew, a paid Democrat hack, a paid Republican hack trying to make Hezbollah Progressives look worse than they really are, or just someone who went through the Progressive educational system and is really filled with hate and venom.
Stephen_Crowley
1 / 5 (5) Jun 11, 2013
zaxxon451
1 / 5 (2) Jun 12, 2013
zaxx,

Are you evil because you wanted to make more money this year than last?


Possibly, especially if I am already wealthy. But I also believe in redistribution of wealth, so I doubt this is something we will ever come to a consensus on. Capitalism is great in theory, but it ultimately fails because of greed. The very same force that drives it ends up causing its failure. The people of our country have been left adrift by political leaders corrupted by greed. But this is not an aberration. It is simply how our economic system works.
freethinking
1.6 / 5 (7) Jun 12, 2013
zaax, if you really believe in redistribution of your wealth, that's called charity. Forced redistribution of others wealth, is called theft. If you really believe in redistribution of wealth, I have several charities that would gladly take all your money.

If you are rich, why is it evil to want to make more money? As long as the person makes money ethically then it is not evil to make more. I say it is evil and obscene and unethical to take money from one who works hard, and give it to one who hardly works.

Governments role is to protect us from those that want to redistribute our wealth by force unto themselves. When Government picks winners and losers, it becomes a force of evil, stealing the life energy of one person giving it to another.

zaxxon451
1 / 5 (1) Jun 12, 2013
If you are rich, why is it evil to want to make more money? As long as the person makes money ethically then it is not evil to make more. I say it is evil and obscene and unethical to take money from one who works hard, and give it to one who hardly works.


Again, this isn't something we can agree on, but I'll share my opinion with you.

It takes money to make money as they say. Any rich dummy can stay rich, but you have to be pretty smart to get rich if you're poor. The American Dream is a sham for the vast majority of Americans because our system doesn't reward hard work, it rewards wealth. Most people that I know work really hard and struggle to make ends meet. There are always the exceptions who strike it rich starting some business or other, but I'm talking about the majority of hard working people who barely scrape by despite all their hard work.

Besides all that, I believe that in a decent society we are our brother's keeper.