PC sales plunge as Windows 8 flops (Update 2)

Apr 10, 2013 by Michael Liedtke
In this Friday, Oct. 26, 2012, file photo, a woman walks past laptop computers running Microsoft Windows 8 operating system during its launching ceremony in Hong Kong. Research firm IDC says PC global shipments of PCs fell 14 percent in the first three months this year. The appeal of tablets and smartphones is pulling money away from PC sales, but it also blames Microsoft's latest version of Windows, which forces users to learn new ways to control their machines. (AP Photo/Kin Cheung, File)

Two somber new reports show unprecedented declines in desktop and laptop sales during the first three months of the year—signs that the personal computer market may never fully recover from a new generation of mobile devices.

And it appears that a makeover of Microsoft's Windows operating system seems to have done more harm than good since the software was released in October.

"This is horrific news for PCs," said BGC Financial analyst Colin Gillis. "It's all about mobile computing now."

First-quarter shipments of PCs fell 14 percent from the same time last year, according to International Data Corp. That's the deepest quarterly drop since the firm started tracking the industry in 1994. Another research firm, Gartner Inc., pegged the first-quarter decline at 11 percent.

The deviation stemmed from the firms' slightly different definitions of PCs.

This is the worst shape the PC market has been in since IBM Corp. released a desktop machine in 1981.

In an attempt to keep the PC relevant, Microsoft released a radical new version of Windows last fall. Windows 8 has a new look that's similar to the design of the software running the most popular smartphones and tablet computers. The overhaul requires a relearning process, a leap that many consumers and corporate buyers aren't ready to take.

All signs so far point to Windows 8 being a flop.

"Unfortunately, it seems clear that the Windows 8 launch not only didn't provide a positive boost to the PC market, but appears to have slowed the market," IDC Vice President Bob O'Donnell said.

The newest version of Windows is designed to work well with touch-sensitive screens, but the displays add to the cost of a PC. Together, the changes and higher prices "have made PCs a less attractive alternative to dedicated tablets and other competitive devices," O'Donnell said.

Representatives of Microsoft Corp. were not immediately available for comment.

IDC's count excludes tablets, even if they run PC-style software. It also excludes any device that has a detachable keyboard. With the release of Windows 8, PC makers have been reviving their experiments with tablet-laptop hybrids, some of which have detachable keyboards. Consumers are likely to have shifted some of their buying away from traditional laptops and toward these new devices, which means that the total sales decline of Windows-based devices may not be quite as drastic as IDC's numbers suggest.

Microsoft shares fell 63 cents, or 2 percent, to $29.65 in extended trading, after the release of the report. It had gained 67 cents in regular trading.

Hewlett-Packard Co., the world's largest maker of PCs, saw a 24 percent drop in shipments in the first quarter compared with the same period a year ago. The industry's No. 2, China's Lenovo Group, is benefiting from sales to first-time buyers in China and other developing countries. As a result, it held sales steady, alone among the world's top 5 PC makers, according to IDC's figures.

HP shares fell 60 cents, or 2.7 percent, to $21.72 in extended trading. They had risen 10 cents in regular trading.

Shares of Intel Corp., which makes four out of five PC processors, fell 27 cents, or 1.2 percent, to $21.99, after rising 51 cents in regular trading.

Gartner noted one bright spot: Businesses are buying more PCs, and account for about half of the market.

In total, IDC put the global PC shipments at 76.3 million in the quarter, while Gartner put the figure at 79.2 million. The shipments are still higher than they were four years ago, during the recession.

Both firms track shipments of PCs from the manufacturer rather than retail sales. Shipments correlate closely with sales. The figures include shipments of Apple's Macs, which account for about 5 percent of the worldwide market.

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Lurker2358
3.7 / 5 (24) Apr 10, 2013
The big issue is as much market saturation as anything. Except for gamers or high end researchers and developers, there is little motivation to buy a stronger PC until your old one breaks. Things like basic paperwork, and even video and photography can already be don't on yesterday's computer, faster than the blink of an eye, so buying a computer which is only marginally better is a waste.

I have a smartphone, and don't even use the damned thing, because I find the interface too small to read and use (big hands). I can type 65wpm on a keyboard, and I spend a lot of my time reading articles and responding, so trying to do that on a smartphone would be annoying and tedious.

Microsoft's latest version of Windows, which has a new look and forces users to learn new ways to control their machines.


That's because they haven't paid much attention to the fact people don't want to have to re-train themselves, and should not need to, on every installment of an OS.
ValeriaT
1.9 / 5 (14) Apr 10, 2013
Apparently Ballmer the ape believes, he can conquer the tablet market with beating the PC sales (which are his main source of profit) - or what...? Maybe he's smarter than all of us here, but I doubt it.. It's unbelievable, how someone can fight with his own platform so heavily..
Ober
4.8 / 5 (17) Apr 10, 2013
I agree with you totally Lurker.
Windows 8 is terrible. Windows 7 is perfect!! Simple.

I don't have the time, especially in the work place, to be trying to find where microsoft have hidden the features this time. It's almost as if they want everyone to have to do training courses YET AGAIN!!!!!
Now complicate this with the new look server OS, which has the Win8 feel, yet many incompatibilities with win 7 workstations, and it's a complete flop!!!

Why do this Microsoft???
They would have been better making a PC OS, and a tablet OS.

For instance, a steering wheel is good on a car, but I wouldn't put one on a push bike. Also I wouldn't replace a car seat with a bike saddle!!!!

Microsoft has lost the plot on this one, and the market reflects this.
packrat
3.8 / 5 (17) Apr 10, 2013
They could have kept windows8 looking like windows7 and pc sales would still be going down. Just maybe not quite as fast. Most people only really use a computer for email, web, music and movies. That stuff can be done on a pad or phone (I agree with Lurker though on that - a phone is just too little for me too). People that need a full size computer will continue to buy them as needed and not just because Microsoft wants them to buy a new one. Microsoft could do themselves a big favor though and drop that metro crap for full size computers. I don't want a touch surface monitor - I hate fingerprints on my screen!
Porgie
2.1 / 5 (10) Apr 10, 2013
I like the old desktop. ITs reliable, fast, convenient, and doesn't need to be recharged at all. I have a backup drive and a separate drive for my personal stuff which makes it very secure. A tablet is nice, but I'm not always interested in killing time with it. The desktop is a long way from being obsolete. Windows has been very very good to me.
Skepticus
2.7 / 5 (9) Apr 10, 2013
I agree with Ober and Lurker. I think a sort of plateau has been reached, where the average consumer is (almost) satisfied with the what they are having. Having enough computing power, plenty of storage, a well acquainted OS, why cough up the dough for tiny incremental benefits, or the challenge of a "new OS for newness's sake"?
baudrunner
1.3 / 5 (14) Apr 10, 2013
Hah! That's what you get for pushing something we didn't ask for and don't even care about. Computers are tools, remember, not fancy technology showcases. The O.S. is irrelevant, it's the applications that matter.

I didn't even read the article.
gwrede
3.3 / 5 (10) Apr 11, 2013
This is bad news for the entire PC industry. They used to count on Microsoft regularly coming out a new version of Windows that simply forces everyone to buy a faster and bigger computer, but that has now come to a halt.

As a person who uses the keyboard almost all the time, I am a bit scared here. If tablets and the like take over, do I soon need to go to some obscure specialist to find an "honest to god" Computer, with a keyboard and the works?
zaxxon451
5 / 5 (6) Apr 11, 2013
Convincing people to buy something they don't need is the foundation of our economy (and Microsoft's business model).

"The more he identifies with the dominant images of need, the less he understands his own life and his own desires. The spectacle's estrangement from the acting subject is expressed by the fact that the individual's gestures are no longer his own; they are the gestures of someone else who represents them to him."
― Guy Debord, The Society of the Spectacle
DirtySquirties
1.7 / 5 (12) Apr 11, 2013
I've been using Windows 8 since it came out. If it opened right to the desktop, I'd be using it exactly the same as Windows 7. All these complaints about it being radically different are ludicrous. All that has changed is the start menu and the new slide out sidebar, which do not take long to get used to. Everyone's total fear of change and fear of learning is blowing it all out of proportion and turning it into something it is not.
TheBoss
3.9 / 5 (7) Apr 11, 2013
My computer is About 3 years old. It still runs like champ, video card i'm using is an 8800gt still works. I have no need to go bigger or better. I'll wait until this one breaks then build a new one with windows 7.
Origin314
4.5 / 5 (11) Apr 11, 2013
There is some technical advantages in windows 8 and that is the only reason I use it, the problem is the UI, after a lot of research about 6 hours and about 10 hours hard work I successfully altered windows 8 to be usable in a developer/desktop environment. Metro completely disabled and all the missing functions returned.

If I can fix windows 8 why doesn't Microsoft ship it with the option to use it in this manner? apparently they see touch as the future of technology and are blinded to the reality that some people need to put productivity above looks, for example a keyboard is designed for productivity, its made to fit your hands while a touchscreen is just a flat surface, it is a jack of all trades and a master of none.
VendicarE
3.2 / 5 (5) Apr 11, 2013
Microsoft has been going down the toilet since MonkeyBoy Ballmer started flushing.

He is the principle Turd at Microsoft.
Grallen
5 / 5 (2) Apr 11, 2013
People have X dollars to spend on thier technology. At the time where PCs were the growth market you spent you tech dollars on cars, PCs and what, cable TV? There are a lot of new toys entering the market to divide their tech dollars. Also with economy lately thier budgets are getting smaller. So a smaller piece of of a smaller pie. It looks devastating, but it will stabilize. Smartphones are nearing saturation, but they are still not powerful enough so we keep upgrading those. But as they reach the point where their power will satisfy our needs, tech dollars will be re-balanced. PCs are the power houses and some fun things are coming soon, and for years only they will be able to handle.
antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (6) Apr 11, 2013
The big issue is as much market saturation as anything.

I think the real issue is just two differing usage patterns.

On theone hand there's people who create serious volumes of content (the minority. Developers, authors, musicians, some job-related activities, ...), and those who have high-end hardware needs (gamers).

On the other hand there's the people who create minimal content or just consume information (bloggers, surfers, casual gamers, ... ) or who need to be mobile (salespeople, journalists, etc.)

Before the advent of all the various platforms there just wasn't any choice. You had to get a desktop or a laptop.

The new platforms are specifically tailored to ever smaller subgroups (especially the people who just consume and don't contribute) - so of course will the desktop/laptop numbers decline.
Mayday
1 / 5 (3) Apr 11, 2013
IMO, all will be solved by a larger tablet (17") with the brains to handle real file management and real photoshop(or similarly demanding application of your choice). Add full wireless connectivity for backup drives. Game over. The idea of a "workstation" will go the way of the land line. I wrote 5,000 words last weekend on a touch tablet and when I returned to the office on Monday, I was struck by how clunky and archaic the old mechanical keyboard seemed.
Skepticus
1.7 / 5 (6) Apr 11, 2013
I wrote 5,000 words last weekend on a touch tablet and when I returned to the office on Monday, I was struck by how clunky and archaic the old mechanical keyboard seemed.

Excellent! But try to type that on a touch tablet blindfolded, will you? Or dialing a tel number manually on a touch phone behind your back or in your coat pocket? If you see a crime is unfolding, and are very near to the assailant, (in combination with a Bluetooth head set) you can call the cops without drawing attention and or danger to yourself, if you can't intervene directly. Furthermore, all critical civilian and military control equipments uses buttons, toggle switches or levers for definitive feedback and confirmation. Physical movement control and input devices will always have uses.
Moebius
1 / 5 (4) Apr 11, 2013
Or as PC's flop, Windows 8 sales plunge
OttJ
not rated yet Apr 11, 2013
I think Microsoft probably knows what they're doing here. I think they are re-posturing themselves for some of the reasons give here, the best of which is that most consumers simply do not need the computing power of even a PC sold at Walmart. The paradigm is shifting from one basic platform to two: laptop/pc to tablets and laptop/pc.

Because most consumers really do not need the power provided by most of todays computers, Microsoft is probably right to build out this kind of OS. The majority of the movement will be to tablets.

having said that, I have never owned a tablet, and, unless they get a heck of a lot more powerful, I may never own a tablet. Also, I agree with a previous poster in that I am very anal about my machines, and I just don't know if I could bring myself to touching and messing up the screen with fingerprints to get around.
Anda
not rated yet Apr 11, 2013
New nick "waterripples" ... Mayday?

Anyway. What I want is a tablet with full desktop functionality, usb, hdmi, sd and external keyboard, so I can use it as a notebook or as a tablet.
The first generation of this kind of devices are in the market now with windows 8.
NikFromNYC
1 / 5 (7) Apr 11, 2013
Law of nature: geeks will always F things up, for that is what they do. Only Machievellian Steve Jobs had the wrath to reign them in for a time.
Steven_Anderson
Apr 11, 2013
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FainAvis
4 / 5 (4) Apr 11, 2013
Commenters: When you put two ideas in your post, one that I agree with and another that I don't, I cannot rate you.
rlarg
3 / 5 (5) Apr 12, 2013
Switch to Linux Ubuntu
Code_Warrior
5 / 5 (1) Apr 13, 2013
I was instantly less productive using the ribbon UI vs. the old menu/toolbar UI because all of the hot keys I was used to stopped working. Taking the time to figure out how to configure the hot keys again and arrange the ribbon to get back my former speed and ease of use or find the setting to restore the old UI is just another unnecessary assignment forced on me at a time when I am buried at work and can't afford the time to learn how to set it up the old way or learn the new way. I have been using the ribbon for over a year now and my workload has only increased and looks to remain that way for the remainder of this year and I am still not anywhere near as productive with the ribbon as I was with the old UI setup.

The ribbon UI is an example of a change that offers no real improvement for me at the cost of my productivity. Win 8 looks even worse to me. Give me an obvious button that lets me choose the UI style without having to look for the setting. I'll learn the new UI later on.
Osiris1
2.8 / 5 (10) Apr 13, 2013
Why all this obsessing over a worthless POS windows 8. Just go to linux. There is SuSE and Ubuntu and Debian. Personally used to like SuSE best as it can take care of itself; but since Novell got it, it has gone to pot, seriously! Just use linux with a virtual machine program. Could mention names but these ARE commercial products and am not up to trying to sell anything. Linux can use OpenOffice which is free and better than microsoft Office with the damn ribbon crap. Best to use Linux, and emulator like Wine and run win2kPro inside virtual machine...no have to 'enable' it online with anyone..and linux can handle the new hardware that microsoft browbeat the manufacturers to not support on old versions of its crap. Best it is all free and easy to use. I see business users still using old DOS with 'Symphony' for fast food places. New games are crap and old hardware runs forever and can do most of our work. Long live linux!!
peter09
2.5 / 5 (2) Apr 13, 2013
I use Ubuntu and it has gone through a similar upheaval (Unity) to windows 8 (which I have never used). However making changes to the desktop layout is fraught with issues, the main one being that people do not want to re-learn their working process. A lot of criticisms in the end come down to - I could use it but now I don't know how to, or I used to do it like this and don't want to change to do it another way.
This leaves developers in a difficult position - develop the desktop for the future and get criticized or just more of the same and risk becoming dated.
btb101
not rated yet Apr 13, 2013
And do not forget that the new OS lets M/S inspect and close down any piece of third party software it finds on your system..

the monopoly has finally been busted. At last!
d3bug
4.5 / 5 (8) Apr 13, 2013
Every other release of Windows sucks hardcore. This has been the mantra for a long time.

98 good, ME bad, XP good, Vista bad, 7 good, 8 bad, 9 should be good (unless they try to force metro down our throats still.

I don't want an over-sized tablet, I want a PC and PCs have desktops Microsoft... are you listening?
d3bug
4.5 / 5 (2) Apr 13, 2013
Why all this obsessing over a worthless POS windows 8. Just go to linux.


Linux is wonderful if all you want is to migrate from Windows for business purposes, but for gamers, it's a no-go at least until there is 100% compatibility with Windows on that front. Please don't bother mentioning wine... it's not 100% or a virtual pc emulator as those are HORRIBLE for gaming, not to mention not 100% either when it comes to video compatibility.
Roland
5 / 5 (1) Apr 13, 2013
Assuming bandwidth: For most people, Android is all they need, especially since they can get it on any screen anywhere with a disposable $79 thumbstick you can carry in your pocket. They can use Google services (or anybody's, really). It's familiar, same as what's on their phone. Similar to Apple or MS, without the hassles and expense and lockin. And you can unlock/modify/hack it to suit your taste. So who needs MS?
People who need shiny will still need Apple, if they don't mind the lockin, if the iPhone gets an HDMI connector, if they have the big bucks.
Rob
not rated yet Apr 13, 2013
I still don't understand how you can blame Windows 8 for the continuing downward trend of PC sales. Win 8 certainly did not boost sales, so you can call it a flop, but you cannot really prove that it caused people not to buy a new PC. There is only so much money to go around when it comes to tech. People now have big TVs, desktops, laptops, smartphones and tablets as an option to consume content. Of course they will buy new PCs less frequently when there are other choices.
VendicarE
3.5 / 5 (6) Apr 13, 2013

"I don't want an over-sized tablet, I want a PC and PCs have desktops Microsoft... are you listening?" - d3bug

Nope. Monkey Boy Ballmer is in charge and he knows what is the best way for his corporation to extract money from you.

Now bend over.

VendicarE
3 / 5 (4) Apr 13, 2013
Oh, probably because people are actually avoiding purchasing computers that have W8 installed.

"I still don't understand how you can blame Windows 8 for the
continuing downward trend of PC sales" - Rob

I know of people who have returned PC's that have W8 installed because they consider it unusable.

Ballmer is incompetent.
TheKnowItAll
1 / 5 (5) Apr 13, 2013
The problem is that Microsoft doesn't care if the operating system they're working on is ready or not, they just push it out to the public on the deadline and patch it up later. People always get upset when a new version of windows comes out, that is nothing new. Personally I don't have any experience with Windows 8 but for sure their operating system should configure the UI on-the-fly according to the peripherals connected to the machine. If it doesn't do that or at the least doesn't do it well then I'm sure a patch will come soon. They should buy the WINPATCH trademark and use it instead of WINDOWS; that would be so appropriate or maybe something like "IPATCH OS" lol
EyeNStein
1.6 / 5 (7) Apr 13, 2013
Win 8 looks too much like a scaled up mobile phone OS. Designed to be operated by someone with huge fingers. They then put the final nail in the coffin by taking away the touchscreen (on most PC's)
It works well on a smartphone. The OS just needs to detect a present keyboard and absent touchscreen and re-configure itself accordingly to something similar to Win 7.(With smaller active 'metro' icons, and a start button and task bar.)
I hope Windows 8.1 (a.k.a. blue) gets wise to this.
The only justification for a desktop PC will be superior power processing, power graphics, business functionality, extreme-smartness, face/speech/pattern recognition and games. And with cloud processing a smartphone can acquire many of these features!
EyeNStein
1 / 5 (6) Apr 13, 2013
If Business PC sales are going up its probably IT departments buying Win 7 (directly or via downgrade rights) while they still can! Micro$oft prefer win8 with downgrade rights purchase as it makes Win 8 look less lame in the statistics.
DruidDrudge
1 / 5 (8) Apr 13, 2013
The PC era is already over. Tablets and sticks are dominating now.
A stick for $60 or a laptop for $600. Not a tough choice.
Dual core, Quad core and Octa core by the end of the year( 8 watts). Performance is not an issue.
Linux is already supported.
MandoZink
5 / 5 (2) Apr 13, 2013
98 good, ME bad, XP good, Vista bad, 7 good, 8 bad, 9 should be good (unless they try to force metro down our throats still.

I do not understand how Microsoft continually does this. For generations of OS's they have repeatedly misunderstood the desktop user. I do believe, considering these alternating OS debacles, they contribute to depressions in sales, if not depressions in the desktop users themselves.

If I had wanted a tablet-like, or phone-like interface, I would have bought a tablet or phone. It was my last excruciating Vista experience that caused me to build a large home network using computers from a recycle bin with good XP-Pro Product Keys on them. They work great. I, as most desktop users I know, simply have little interest in desktop changess during Microsoft's mis-directions.
winthrom
1 / 5 (2) Apr 14, 2013
I think there is a solution floating in Balmer's toilet: WIN 8 on a cheap tablet uses a WIN 7 desktop(or WIN 8 multi-user-server) as a cloud server (via Ethernet in the home or at work). On the road, the user has VPN to the home/work again. The home desk PC/server-farm is an image server running a variation of CITRIX (WIN version), real CITRIX, resurrected PC Anywhere, X-Windows Client, etc. The computing power is on the desktop/server. The viewing area is on the tablet. M$ is putting keyboards on their tablets, and the mouse is the touchscreen. Seems obvious what WIN 8 is supposed to do.
Mandan
5 / 5 (2) Apr 14, 2013
A couple of months ago I was looking to buy a notebook but couldn't find any decent ones that weren't already coming loaded with Windows 8. So I changed my mind. I'll look for a used one with 7 and be happy. BTW, the particular model I was looking at has gone from @550 on sale to almost $700 in those two months. Something isn't adding up here.
crass
not rated yet Apr 14, 2013
It quite unattractive. Perhaps they should have got apple to design the interface.
EyeNStein
1.9 / 5 (8) Apr 14, 2013
The continuous PC upgrade cycle has also been killed off by the power of modern Desktop PC's surpassing most user needs.
It used to be that after 2 years of Micro$oft patching and fixing and security 'upgrades' a PC became so slow everyone wanted an upgrade. Now on a PC, especially with an SSD boot drive, Micro$ofts bloatware still runs quickly. (The machine doesn't get written off by an HD crash, with no Micro$oft rebuild disk either.)

Microsoft is so screwed if they don't stop telling us what to have and listen to what we want.
VendicarE
3 / 5 (2) Apr 14, 2013
Ball Boy Ballmer doesn't care what you want.

To him you are nothing more than a cow to be milked.

Consider that the "modern UI" formerly known as "Metro" is the ONLY UI that Microsoft wants programs written for.

That is why they have "depreciated" the old UI. and scheduled it to be discontinued.

Microsoft has turned their backs on every programmer who has ever written for windows.

EyeNStein
1.6 / 5 (7) Apr 14, 2013
The old beloved WIMP desktop will be continue in Ubuntu...
Even enterprise IT will swing to open source OS's unless Micro$oft stops periodically butchering their own OS's just to force an upgrade cycle on unwilling customers.
Elder1
3 / 5 (2) Apr 15, 2013
Unfortunately this will result in the price of a real computer going up considerably. There will be some good deals for a short while until the drop in sales puts a lot of companies out of business. Then we will see the economy of scale begin to reverse. For those like myself that need and use a power machine it will definitely cost a lot more. I currently use as my main machine an AMD 1090T 6 core with 16 gigs and 3 terabytes storage. That isn't near enough now for some of the digital terrain mapping and graphics I do and I need to upgrade to at least 64 gigs ram just to handle some of the files entirely in ram. I also have a couple of Android tablets, a win7 netbook and a Rockchip 808 on a 24" HDMI monitor with Android. I run a household server disguised as a stereo and also a CNC mill comp. My wife has two Androids and a WIN7 desktop along with an XP netbook to run her CNC cutter. Each machine serves a purpose and each is used either daily or frequently.

WIN8 is a POS.
VendicarE
3 / 5 (3) Apr 15, 2013
Ya, but will they ever get it working properly on Ubuntu?

"The old beloved WIMP desktop will be continue in Ubuntu..." - EyeN

Ubuntu of course has abandoned Gnome and has gone to it's own i-Toy GUI.

Filth.
jdbertron
1 / 5 (4) Apr 15, 2013
Shocking. I guess those dancers in the commercials didn't do a good enough job to compensate for the lack of a good calendar, a good drawing app, a timer, calculator, note taking application, browser and security framework etc...
krundoloss
3 / 5 (4) Apr 15, 2013
Of course PC sales are not increasing! Ever since dual core CPU's came out, a desktop pc is more than powerful enough for anything a user wants to do. I have a core2duo at the house and it will last me many years to come. Why would a person need a new computer if they atleast have a dual core now? They dont need more power than they currently have, and there is nothing gained by replacing it. Microsoft tries to do the impossible - Make one OS for home/personal use and the Same OS for business/productivity use and the Same OS for Tablet/Mobile Use? Come on microsoft, you cannot do all that with the same OS without giving something up!!
No one wants to use a touchscreen to edit a spreadsheet, or Manage servers? Have you seen Server 2012? WTF is a touch interface going to do for a server? People dont like Windows 8 because things are hidden, and they dont know the gestures required to find them. In other windows OS's you can find what you are looking for, but you cant "find" a gesture!!
kosmosagamemnon
not rated yet Apr 15, 2013
Additionally its important to note that modern PC's are so powerful that in most cases a minor upgrade is all that is required to bring them into line with modern applications.
steve_angell3
1 / 5 (3) Apr 15, 2013
Windows 8 is a better OS.

However MS really blew it. It should have the option to boot into the Classic interface ant MS really should not have gotten rid of the Start button that existed in Beta testing.

Bigger problem is Monitors refuse to go higher in resolution than 1080P while monitors get bigger and bigger thus with poorer and poorer resolution per inch. In five years Monitors have been stuck and actually backed back off from 1200P to 1080P. Why a PC with far worse DPI than a Tablet?
CreepyD
1 / 5 (2) Apr 15, 2013
I agree with most here that people no longer need a new more powerful PC to do what they need to.
Most just browse the web, stream TV shows or play games on Facebook - all of which would work just the same on a low powered 5 year old PC.
The only benefit I've seen recently is buying an SSD (the biggest single upgrade I've ever seen). Things like CPU, RAM, and even the Graphics card don't need upgrading these days.
I have a feeling there will be a rush of new PC's purchased a few months after the new consoles are released as they will finally stop holding back the graphics in PC games as they generally have been for 2-3 years.
PeterParker
1 / 5 (2) Apr 15, 2013
"It should have the option to boot into the Classic interface" - Steve

No why would they do that when Microsoft has stated that they intend to discontinue the now depreciated "classic" interface?

Ball Boy Ballmer has spoken.

"Why a PC with far worse DPI than a Tablet?" - Steve

Let us know when you can select a single pixel with your finger.
krundoloss
1 / 5 (2) Apr 16, 2013
How is the Classic Start Menu "depreciated" when it basically runs every office pc in the world right now??!! Microsoft needs to accept that if something works, there is no need to overhaul it. They are struggling to remain current, but the thing is that they really dont have to! They have thier teeth clamped down on the whole computer industry so hard, they dont really have to innovate, they just need to focus on good functionality and compatibility, make a clean, fast booting OS, and sure, make an OS for tablets. But please, NO ONE IS GOING TO SIT AT THEIR DESK AND SWIPE A SCREEN TO DO WORK! It makes your shoulders tired, gets the screen dirty and it imprecise when compared to a modern mouse. Touchscreen desktops are for kids! Go ahead, try to play in a Starcraft tournament with your touchscreen PC. I will watch you get smoked!!
ValeriaT
1 / 5 (5) Apr 16, 2013
If nothing else, the switching of user interface without backward compatibility (i.e. dual interface) is apparent arrogance targeted against Windows users and Microsoft will deserve to pay for it.
VendicarE
5 / 5 (1) Apr 16, 2013

"How is the Classic Start Menu "depreciated" when it basically runs every office pc in the world right now??" - krundoloss

I don't think that you get to decide what Microsoft claims is "depreciated".

But you can pretend.
VendicarE
5 / 5 (1) Apr 16, 2013
Want to run a TIFKAM App? Purchase it from the Ballmer app store.

That is Microsoft's goal.

"If nothing else, the switching of user interface without backward compatibility (i.e. dual interface) is apparent arrogance targeted against Windows users" - ValeriaT

krundoloss
1 / 5 (2) Apr 16, 2013

"How is the Classic Start Menu "depreciated" when it basically runs every office pc in the world right now??" - krundoloss

I don't think that you get to decide what Microsoft claims is "depreciated".

But you can pretend.


What are you talking about? Are you being snarky just for fun? What you say makes no sense....
EyeNStein
1 / 5 (6) Apr 16, 2013
The word is 'DEPRECATED' and Micro$oft take stuff out of their new OS's and service packs all the time. Then the developers get told what has been deprecated so they can no longer use it.
VendicarE
5 / 5 (2) Apr 16, 2013
Microsoft might as well "deprecate" their entire OS.

With Ball Boy Ballmer at the helm they probably wont exist in 10 years.
Humpty
1.5 / 5 (6) Apr 26, 2013
Falling sales figures - well smart phones are computers of significance in their own right, same with tablets etc..

I think people are waking up to the fact that a smart phone / tablet (type of thing) does most of their personal / internet stuff.

Even the basic beige box now has staggering amounts of computing power.... and where does that end? The laboratory / super gamers version that is really expensive but does astronomical amounts of computations......

I mean really - that is far more than the basic office computer EVER needs.....

Windoze 8? Like WTF? MOST versions of windoze only seem to have marginal technical improvements, and bug removals - and lots of stupid gift wrapping...

Almost all of them are just needless cash cow milkings... with little if any real benefit.

One issue may be market saturation, the next the large move to smart phones and tablets etc., and the third issue may be people are just tired of Microsoft and their bullshit and bullshit operating systems.
antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (1) Apr 26, 2013
I mean really - that is far more than the basic office computer EVER needs.....

OS manufacturers have been pretty 'efficient' at eating up any spare capacity. Just look at the specs you need to run today's OSs as opposed to those from 10 years ago to get a similarly 'fluid' feel.
And it's not like the current crop of office suites is used for much more than it was 10 years ago. They may contain lots more functionality. But that extra functionality is only used by a tiny percentage of users.
Neinsense99
2 / 5 (4) Jun 08, 2013
I walked out on Windows in 2004 and only looked back when forced to in the workplace and a desire for maintaining M$ familiarity. One Linux-based distro or another has done the job admirably over that time.
Neinsense99
2 / 5 (4) Jun 08, 2013
Microsoft might as well "deprecate" their entire OS.

With Ball Boy Ballmer at the helm they probably wont exist in 10 years.

I depreciated their whole OS long ago. If I didn't have a fingerprint reader I'd have trouble logging on to that OS on my dual boot ThinkPad, as I so rarely use it. That's Win 7, not 8. 99.99% of time I'm using Linux.