Religion continues to impact voter decision, study finds

Someone should do a study on the effect of those who don't go to church but vote based on religious influences. Worse than evangelicals, I believe that 'badge' christians are the worst kind.

true christians don't get involved in worldly governmental affairs, since the messiah and his kingdom is the only form of government they are concerned with.. and hence don't vote.. but yeah..

I disagree. Quite clearly in the bible, jesus said "Give Unto Caesar What is Caesar's and Unto God What is God's"

Obviously, he's saying be a good citizen and pay your taxes, and by implication, keep church and state seperate.

The bible perfectly supports being religious, and being involved in the government in a secular fashion. It's ignorance where people cross the two.

Many conservative politicians apparently don't need such studies, when they're demonstrating their religion at public.

That's what made America great, religion.
Religion is attacked and in decline in the west.
The west is on the decline. Coincidence?

true christians don't get involved in worldly governmental affairs, since the messiah and his kingdom is the only form of government they are concerned with.. and hence don't vote.. but yeah..

Yeah, that's why every presidential candidate in the US can't state he's anything other than Christian....

That's what made America great, religion.

You're so stupid it hurts to read what you write.

Religion is attacked and in decline in the west.
The west is on the decline. Coincidence?

Because it would have absolutely nothing to do with Bush Jr's crusade...

true christians don't get involved in worldly governmental affairs, since the messiah and his kingdom is the only form of government they are concerned with.. and hence don't vote.. but yeah..

Yeah, that's why every presidential candidate in the US can't state he's anything other than Christian....

That's what made America great, religion.

You're so stupid it hurts to read what you write.

Religion is attacked and in decline in the west.
The west is on the decline. Coincidence?

Because it would have absolutely nothing to do with Bush Jr's crusade...

Always get a kick out of your posts. This site is worth visiting just to read your comments (:

That's what made America great, religion.

Yup, the Native Americans have certainly done just great. Why, the Aztecs are still the world's dominant civilization to this day (with Egypt being a close second...)

Religion is attacked and in decline in the west. The west is on the decline. Coincidence?

Religion is attacked and in decline in China. China is on the rise. Coincidence?

By Swenson's standards, we should all strive to be more like Iran or Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan. After all, nothing has been as "great" in recent history, as Taliban's Holy Kingdom of Pious Decency and Family Values.

China is on the rise.

Wait for it.

Of course the 'study' cited implied the Christian religion- 'church'.
It was the Christian faith that did made the USA great. Its morality, its forgiveness, its hope, inspired the people of the USA to prosper.
We now have a majority that believe it is moral to steal from the minority.
Socialism is immoral. Any church or religion that supports the govt confiscation and redistribution of property does not follow the example of Jesus. Jesus advocated INDIVIDUAL charity, not collective charity.

It was the Christian faith that did made the USA great

And also the Phillipines, and Puerto Rico, and -- wait for it -- Mexico.

Its morality, its forgiveness, its hope, inspired the people of the USA to prosper.

And to ethnic-cleanse the natives, as well as to import half of Africa's slave exports.

We now have a majority that believe it is moral to steal from the minority.

You're mistaken. The banker elite are still the minority.

Socialism is immoral

Equal opportunity is immoral. Got it.

Any church or religion that supports the govt confiscation and redistribution of property does not follow the example of Jesus.

No shit? Let's see you give your land up to whatever Indian tribe it was confiscated from.

Jesus advocated INDIVIDUAL charity, not collective charity.

Did he advocate AGAINST collective charity?

SH is now on the side of Pelosi:
"To my Republican friends: Take back your party, so that it doesn't matter so much who wins the election -- because we have shared values about the education of our children, the growth of our economy, how we defend our country, our security and civil liberties, how we respect our seniors.

Read more: http://www.nypost...DHnKiHD"

Of course she gave this speech in MA where she is most welcome.

The banker elite are still the minority.

Yes, they are Obama's protected minority.

Did he advocate AGAINST collective charity?

No. Since words have meaning,charity is VOLUNTARY.
Forced wealth redistribution is not charity.

Since words have meaning,charity is VOLUNTARY.

Since words have no meaning to you, you use phrases like "collective charity". Then you complain that your own expression is meaningless. I feel for you, you poor thing.

Yes, they are Obama's protected minority.

No, he's their sockpuppet -- and so are you. Through him (and through you), they protect themselves.

Forced wealth redistribution is not charity.

No, it's not. It's called "civilization". Oh, and did "Jesus" advocate against forced wealth redistribution?

(The answer will undoubtedly be "no", considering that Christianity was designed and institutionalized by a Roman Emperor.)

SH is now on the side of Pelosi

I'll pick my own cohorts, thank you very much. Unlike you, I'm quite capable of having my own stance and defending it when necessary. If a politician has a viewpoint similar to mine, good for them, that doesn't mean I'm on their 'side'. What the hell would be a 'side' in politics anyway? We're not playing a schoolyard game of red rover. If we were, you'd be in high demand. The sheer mass of your body would break up any line, if you could get it up to speed of course.

No. Since words have meaning,charity is VOLUNTARY.
Forced wealth redistribution is not charity.

Words having meaning doesn't explain why you're incapable of understanding the meaning.

I disagree. Quite clearly in the bible, jesus said "Give Unto Caesar What is Caesar's and Unto God What is God's"

Obviously, he's saying be a good citizen and pay your taxes, and by implication, keep church and state seperate.

The bible perfectly supports being religious, and being involved in the government in a secular fashion. It's ignorance where people cross the two.

Trouble is the US govt has a problem with people expressing their faith, unless it agrees with a political POV. Black churches can promote liberal politics. Churches that speak out against abortion are attacked.
'Liberals' not long ago sent operatives out to conservative churches to monitor sermons during the last election. 'Liberal' politicians had rallies at some churches.
The first amendment also states "...or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;".

Trouble is the US govt has a problem with people expressing their faith, unless it agrees with a political POV.

No, most Americans are just sick of hearing about it but rather than do something about it they suffer from voter apathy.

Trouble is the US govt has a problem with people expressing their faith, unless it agrees with a political POV.

No, most Americans are just sick of hearing about it but rather than do something about it they suffer from voter apathy.

That damn first amendment again? SHs Regulatory State keeps trying to eliminate those annoying rights.

If people believe that a saintly person can impregnate a woman without penetrating her and then be born to her without inheriting any of her genes then promises of politicians must all look very plausible by comparison...

That damn first amendment again? SHs Regulatory State keeps trying to eliminate those annoying rights.

You're welcome to talk about it all you want. I'm welcome to consider you to be uneducated and state so when you bring up such personal topics in a public forum.

You have the right to say whatever you want, you do not have the right to not be insulted for it.

You have the right to say whatever you want, you do not have the right to not be insulted for it.

I expect nothing less from 'tolerant, intellectual liberals'.

You have the right to say whatever you want, you do not have the right to not be insulted for it.

I expect nothing less from 'tolerant, intellectual liberals'. I'm not tolerant, not sure where you got that idea from. I don't tolerate anything. I accept it or I reject it. Your ideology is soundly rejected based on observational evidence and past precedent. Anything to add?

Churches that speak out against abortion are attacked.

What the hell marjon? Members of groups that openly advocate for the murder of abortion providers actually end up murdering abortion providers and the leaders of these groups are not held accountable. Do you just listen to the news and hear the opposite? Or do you willingly spread misinformation?

Seriously, how do christians always manage to warp reality 180 degrees to make it all about persecuting them? Their selfish ignorance is infuriating.

You have the right to say whatever you want, you do not have the right to not be insulted for it.

I expect nothing less from 'tolerant, intellectual liberals'.

I'm not tolerant, not sure where you got that idea from. I don't tolerate anything. I accept it or I reject it. Your ideology is soundly rejected based on observational evidence and past precedent. Anything to add?

I know. 'Liberals' demonstrate their intolerance everyday.

So Frank, how are the leaders who support the murder of millions of babies held accountable?
How about those at Planned Parenthood that promote rape? Girls under 18 have abortions and the fathers are not investigated. How many of these fathers are adults? PP doesn't want to know.

The Catholic Church among others are quite opposed to abortion and pray for abortionists. They do not murder them.

Ignorance has even more of the mass of bureaucratic-inertia than does bureaucracy itself, enough even to warp FrankSHerbert's blissful reality. Believe nothing that you read or hear without verifying it yourself unless it fits your preexisting worldview (excusing the invincibly ignorant).

Good people ought to be armed as they will, with wits and Guns and the Truth. Retire. Strike! Atlas is shrugging.

Marjon, unlike murder, abortion isn't a crime. If you don't like the law change it. You'll laugh at this, but when it comes to your accusations against PP, I'd say it's similar to the policies hospitals have for dropping babies off. As long as the baby isn't hurt a hospital will generally take a baby no questions asked. Not even the mother's name. This is obviously to encourage someone to give the baby up without any consequences rather than dropping the baby off on the doorstep, or worse. So back to PP, if a teenager isn't at fault and really wants the abortion, yet it would lead to the imprisonment of her father, there's a good chance she'd be less likely to get the abortion. Now obviously to you this seems like a good thing, but it's not the law's place to prevent abortions that are otherwise legal. PP's policies are structured to facilitate access to medical care for women. This takes into account psychology barriers that prevent seeking care. (cont)

If the girl wants to report the rape, she can go to the police. If she doesn't want to report it, that is her right.

And Lil Douggie,

invincibly ignorant

Yet again, you describe yourself to a 'T'! Just don't shrug too hard there atlas, you might slip and break a hip.

How about those at Planned Parenthood that promote rape? Girls under 18 have abortions and the fathers are not investigated. How many of these fathers are adults? PP doesn't want to know.

The Catholic Church among others are quite opposed to abortion and pray for abortionists. They do not murder them.

Also, how do you manage to put those two paragraphs next to each other? PP is bad because you claim they don't investigate rape. Then you laud the Catholic Church. Heh.

Marjon, unlike murder, abortion isn't a crime.

Statutory rape is a crime.

So Frank supports the crime of statutory rape in order to protect abortion.

If someone dropped of a dead baby at a hospital I suspect there would be an investigation. One significant difference is the law is intended to SAVE the life of a baby.

"Adult sex with underage children is illegal in every state, and PP and NAF clinics are mandated reporters. Yet an appalling 91% of all clinics contacted expressed a willingness to help cover up the statutory rape."
"One video showed staff at a Wisconsin facility counseling a purportedly 14-year-old girl to not divulge how a 31-year-old man impregnated her. The video also shows Planned Parenthood staff coaching the girl on how to obtain an abortion without her parents consent in violation of Wisconsin state law."
http://www.lifene...ry-rape/

You have the right to say whatever you want, you do not have the right to not be insulted for it.

I expect nothing less from 'tolerant, intellectual liberals'.

I'm not tolerant, not sure where you got that idea from. I don't tolerate anything. I accept it or I reject it. Your ideology is soundly rejected based on observational evidence and past precedent. Anything to add?

I know. 'Liberals' demonstrate their intolerance everyday.

Yes, they're much more accepting of people who are different than themselves. You wouldn't know anything of that, tucked away in your gated community in North Shore MA, hundreds of miles away from those 'minorities'.

Truth is, you're the minority, let us know when you're ready to join the rest of us in civilized society.

they're much more accepting of people who are different than themselves.

Not if those people have principles and standards like respecting property rights and the rule of law.

BTW, how many minorities are in you NH neighborhood?

BTW, how many minorities are in you NH neighborhood?

The majority of my neighborhood are minorities. I have a set of lesbian neighbors, two gay guys live down the street, there's a massive latin american family down the end (they throw killer parties), some European French across the street and I think a black couple lives one street over.

they're much more accepting of people who are different than themselves.

Not if those people have principles and standards like respecting property rights and the rule of law.

So you're saying people will be less accepting of minorities if they have principles? That's orwellian to say the least.

The majority of my neighborhood are minorities.

Why do you care or even notice?
'Progressives' claim to want to end discrimination so govt agencies demand individuals declare their ethnicity or skin color and gerrymander voting districts so they can discriminate.

Ladies! Ladies! You both look opretty, so will you stop fighting? On second thought, keep going, I needed something to take the edge off of my mind. I will say this though, both of your sides are intellectually stimulating. Even the guy who accuses anyone with a different view than their own as a liberal. Madre de Dios... What are we going to do with you? Let you rant and rave at us at 5 PM Eastern time?

Well, might as well throw in my input, or all this would be a waste, no?

Religion has a part in every country's sucess or downfall. Take Rome for example: their persecution of christianity and other religions allowed them to thrive, Constantine comes tgo power and turns the table on that, not flips, just turns it around. ANY NON-christians are nor persecuted... then barbarians kill them all off... Weird, huh?

Now let's look at England, suddenly they help overthrow Rome, and NOw look atthem, Religiosly tolerant of anything, as long as the King/Queen agrees with it too. (cont.)

Suddenly they go full Religiously tolerant on us all, and they thrive... Questions yet? No??? Good.

Now for the good ol' USA. We start off as a religiously tolerant place, and we get Jews, and thus Einstein. That's really weird too, isn't it?

Now, about that barb about the presidents of our *ahem* "Great" Nation always being PROTESTANT Christians, Look at the Reasoning behind it. It and a select few others, (Budhism and Atheism [it IS a religion, but not one you can worship in]) Don't require allegiance to anyone who can affect you descisions or ideals. Remember MICE: Money, Ideology, Conscience, and Emotions. These are the basic motivators behind any and all descisions we as humans make.Let's break it down some more shall we?

He's already rich, so don't worry about cash;
Any ideals is his own, so say thank you to religion;
What is on his mind as to cause him to do anything irrational?
What? Lost lover anywhere? Divorce? He fall in love or something?

"Up to 30 members of a Chinese evangelical church were arrested on Sunday for trying to hold an Easter service in defiance of the officially atheist government, a member of the clergy said."
http://www.google...db7e.501
Tom Friedman, Obama and other progressives praise China.

Recall Rev. Niemoller?

"When Hitler attacked the Jews
I was not a Jew, therefore I was not concerned.
And when Hitler attacked the Catholics,
I was not a Catholic, and therefore, I was not concerned.
And when Hitler attacked the unions and the industrialists,
I was not a member of the unions and I was not concerned.
Then Hitler attacked me and the Protestant church --
and there was nobody left to be concerned."

The majority of my neighborhood are minorities.

Why do you care or even notice?

You're the one who asked.

'Progressives' claim to want to end discrimination so govt agencies demand individuals declare their ethnicity or skin color and gerrymander voting districts so they can discriminate.

Race based statistics were put in place to measure the distribution of resources in the south due to conservative racism, like yours.

He's got a good point there...

Plus, how do you intend for your article on religious persecution to hold any credance when I myself have already shown that while Religion does hold precedence in high places and in large numbers, it is utterly useless when it is in small groups of people. For example, how many people do you know of that are actively worshipping the gods from Greek Mythology? If you do know of any, how much influence do they have in the affairs of govt in comparison to the Protestant Church?

Not much I'll bet...

So, any questions anyone?

Obviously, he's saying be a good citizen and pay your taxes, and by implication, keep church and state seperate.

That would be one interpretation, but if you notice he never actually answered the question...

Race based statistics were put in place to measure the distribution of resources in the south due to conservative racism, like yours.

Nothing like fighting fire with fire...

Race based statistics were put in place to measure the distribution of resources in the south due to conservative racism, like yours.

Nothing like fighting fire with fire...

Well it wasn't really fighting fire with fire, it was ensuring that children who had a right to go to school and get various benefits provided by the state weren't being precluded from those benefits due to the color of their skin.

Today I think that the capture of race statistics has had its day and is a vestigal appendage in regards to government. Besides, the stats are often misconstrued by racists for the benefit of alarm.

Small example: is the US 22% hispanic, or are there jsut a great deal more children who are mixed race including hispanic. If you're a child with a caucasian partent and a latin american parent, you're considered to be hispanic. Well that's obviously wrong. The entire concept of race is ridiculous in practice.

You're the one who asked.

SH: "Yes, they're much more accepting of people who are different than themselves. You wouldn't know anything of that, tucked away in your gated community in North Shore MA, hundreds of miles away from those 'minorities'."

No, SH is the one who first played a race card. Typical 'progressive' racism.

From religion to polotics to racism debates, do keep going, nothing like a little debate to liven your day.

come to think of it, you all should schedule a date and time from which you can debate about this in real time. That would be simply great... And if he's living in a gated community, how the heck would you know ryg? dear God, you cyber stalking him or something.

My opinion on all this is quite simple, race is a useless medium through which people launch their campains to become president or to create polls so that they may sell products or BullSh*t to the general populance, i.e. Obama's election campain in 2007.

BUT, race still has a grip on what people think of each other, when you walk down the street, and you see some with a different colored skin than you, don't you profile them, even for a split second? I know I do, and I'm ashamed to admit it, but guess what? It happens. Now, as for religions, they hold just as much power as do kings. Enter the Pope, who has the power to create edicts within the Catholic Church. And who would follow such edicts in the crazy world? (cont.)

Every single person who follows the Cathoic Church AND throws a blind eye to caution. Look back agt your history books and ask yourselves, who commanded that there be crusades? The Pope. Who commanded that crossbows should be illegal in the mid 13th centuary? The Pope. Who listened? Kings, Warlords, and Dukes, that's who.

Now if we look at these minorities, i.e. gays, and who else... ah yes, let's say furries (we do exist), no matter what you say, and what you do, we will NEVER be fully accepted into society. That's life. There will always be discrimination, there will always be racism, there will always be Hate.

Get used to it. But you want to know what, there will always be some one there to fight against it, and to cause a stir in the otherwise peaceful thing we call society. And it is peaceful in comparison to what it used to be, and in comparison to most everything else going on in this world.

Any questions?
Silver out.

SH: "Yes, they're much more accepting of people who are different than themselves. You wouldn't know anything of that, tucked away in your gated community in North Shore MA, hundreds of miles away from those 'minorities'."

No, SH is the one who first played a race card. Typical 'progressive' racism.

Remember this gem Mr Swenson?

Trouble is the US govt has a problem with people expressing their faith, unless it agrees with a political POV. Black churches can promote liberal politics. Churches that speak out against abortion are attacked.

You equate black with liberal policies. The racist is you, that much is brutally obvious.

The majority of my neighborhood are minorities.

Why do you care or even notice?

I appreciate the laugh you gave me on that one. You're implying that noticing the physical characteristics and behaviors of your neighbors is racist behaviour?

Harrrrr

The majority of my neighborhood are minorities.

Why do you care or even notice?

I appreciate the laugh you gave me on that one. You're implying that noticing the physical characteristics and behaviors of your neighbors is racist behaviour?

Harrrrr

It is silly isn't it, however most liberals would consider it racist. Careful you're not being a closet hypocrite...

That's what made America great, religion.
Religion is attacked and in decline in the west.
The west is on the decline. Coincidence?

I'll just leave this here:
http
://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_communism

"Up to 30 members of a Chinese evangelical church were arrested on Sunday for trying to hold an Easter service in defiance of the officially atheist government, a member of the clergy said."

Well obviously Chinese commies do not want competition.

I appreciate the laugh you gave me on that one. You're implying that noticing the physical characteristics and behaviors of your neighbors is racist behaviour?

Harrrrr

It is silly isn't it, however most liberals would consider it racist. Careful you're not being a closet hypocrite...

Well would you consider Marjon to be a liberal?

It is silly isn't it, however most liberals would consider it racist. Careful you're not being a closet hypocrite...

There's a difference between the figurative blindness with respect to racism and literally not being able to see someone's skin color.

Not realizing the difference between the two is laughable.

Im from Montana and Mr.Trump was asked in Iowa what church of religion does he belong to and he said,"I go to church on Sundays". Haha that cracked me up, thank you. Religion turns humans backwards, just look at the Greeks they where just as modern as alot of countrys today, maybe more. But if you look at the time A.C. time seems at a stand still, especially middle-ages. Just emagin if the bible was never wrote were civilization would be. Evolution science anyone?

Well, as I've said before in another thread I think, (can't remember, and too lazy to check it out) religion has given many differant people inspiration to do many differant things. I.E. The Pilgrams, they came to worship freely, and thus they managed to start up (Initially) the area we call Boston.

Any Questions?
Silver out.

I view religion as the appendix of society. It may have served a purpose at one time, but now it just flares up and kills people occasionally.

HaHa, Well, I can't very well disagree about modern times now can I? I concede defeat on that point.

Silver out.