Researchers spot ridge of radio emissions joining two galaxy clusters

Ridge of radio emissions joining two galaxy clusters spotted
Composite image of the galaxy clusters pair Abell 0399 and Abell 0401. The system is at approximately 1 billion light-years from the Earth while the two galaxy clusters are about 10 million light-years apart in projection. The cores of the two galaxy clusters are permeated by a high-temperature plasma that emits in the X-rays (red tones). Furthermore, observations in the microwaves show a tenuous filament of matter connecting the two clusters (yellow tones). The low-frequency image in the radio waves (blue tones) reveals several bright discrete sources associated to individual galaxies and two diffuse radio halos towards the centers of the two clusters of galaxies. A striking ridge of radio emission is visible along the filament connecting Abell 0399 and Abell 0401 revealing the presence of a vast magnetic field illuminated by a population of high-energy electrons. Credit: DSS and Pan-STARRS1 (optical), XMM-Newton (X-rays), PLANCK satellite (yparameter), F. Govoni, M. Murgia, INAF

An international team of researchers has found evidence of a ridge of radio emissions joining two galaxy clusters. In their paper published in the journal Science, the group describes their find and how it fits into cosmological theory.

The work began with results from prior studies reporting that some have magnetic fields. They chose to focus on two of them, Abell 0399 and Abell 0401, which prior research had shown were in the process of merging. At present, they are still approximately 10 million light years apart. To learn more about the two galaxy clusters, the researchers made use of LoFar, a low-frequency radio telescope that is actually made up of 25,000 antennas spread across 51 locations. Their plan was to learn more about the filaments between the clusters. Filaments are extremely long strands of gases that exist in the empty parts of space—taken together, they make up what is known as the cosmic web.

The researchers report evidence in the filaments of a band of radiation known as a synchrotron emission—a type of illumination that is created by electrons moving through a . The researchers report that the magnetic field stretched all the way from one of the galaxy clusters to the other, following a filament between them.

The finding is the first example of a magnetic field extending between galaxy clusters and raises the question of whether it is a common occurrence or if they just happened to stumble onto something rare. It also raises the question of where the electrons came from— showed that generated by the merging action of the two could not have generated enough emissions to account for observations. The researchers plan to look for more radio bridges, but do not expect such research will get underway until the next generation LoFar goes online—called the Square Kilometer Array, it will represent not only the largest telescope in the world, but a means for taking a much closer look at filaments and possibly other magnetic fields stretching across vast areas of space.

This video presents the stunning environment of Abell 0399 and Abell 0401, a pair of galaxy clusters at approximately 1 billion light-years away. The two galaxy clusters are about 10 million light-years apart in projection, a hundred times the size of our own galaxy the Milky Way. The video starts out exploring the vast space between the two clusters, but this is just the beginning of the story. Observations in the X-rays, in the microwaves, and at low radio frequencies reveal a completely new view of this portion of sky. Credit: DSS and Pan-STARRS1 (optical), XMM-Newton (X-rays), PLANCK satellite (yparameter), F. Govoni, M. Murgia, INAF, Cjbeards, ASTRON
Federica Govoni, researcher at the Italian National Institute for Astrophysics (INAF) talks about the discovery of a radio ridge connecting two galaxy clusters. Credit: Media INAF
Ridge of radio emissions joining two galaxy clusters spotted
The LOw-FRequency ARray, or LOFAR, is the largest radio telescope with connected elements in the world. This aerial view shows one of the many antenna stations composing the array. Credit: ASTRON

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More information: F. Govoni et al. A radio ridge connecting two galaxy clusters in a filament of the cosmic web, Science (2019). DOI: 10.1126/science.aat7500
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Jun 07, 2019
What are those "magnetized filaments" that create radio and synchrotron radiation called again? Oh right, electric currents!

Jun 07, 2019
Aside from the radio wavelengths, the magnetic connection is really the most interesting thing here. Magnetic waves are the lowest frequency/energy EM Waves/photons on the EM Spectrum.

Jun 07, 2019
Here go the dumbshits, arguing against data again. They never figure it out.

Jun 07, 2019
Here go the dumbshits, arguing against data again. They never figure it out.


And now citing the same ignoramuses they chide as not knowing what science is.

Jun 07, 2019
magnetism, electricity, and plasma!
Plasma!, folks! It's all scientifical and stuff!
[I like magnets. There's lots of youTube vids with guys doing amazing things with magnets...]

Jun 07, 2019
What are those "magnetized filaments" that create radio and synchrotron radiation called again? Oh right, electric currents!
I don't know what article you are reading to have put magnetized fields in   d o u b l e   quotes. In fact, I don't see the adjective 'magnetized' there at all, let alone 'magnetized fields'.

Jun 07, 2019
What are those "magnetized filaments" that create radio and synchrotron radiation called again? Oh right, electric currents!
I don't know what article you are reading to have put magnetized fields in   d o u b l e   quotes. In fact, I don't see the adjective 'magnetized' there at all, let alone 'magnetized fields'.

Willful ignorance is where you hang your hat.
From the abstract;
"We observed a ridge of radio emission connecting the merging galaxy clusters Abell 0399 and Abell 0401 with the Low-Frequency Array (LOFAR) telescope network at 140 megahertz. This emission requires a population of relativistic electrons and a magnetic field located in a filament between the two galaxy clusters."

i.e., an electric current.

Jun 07, 2019
What are those "magnetized filaments" that create radio and synchrotron radiation called again? Oh right, electric currents!
I don't know what article you are reading to have put magnetized fields in   d o u b l e   quotes. In fact, I don't see the adjective 'magnetized' there at all, let alone 'magnetized fields'.

Willful ignorance is where you hang your hat.
From the abstract;
"We observed a ridge of radio emission connecting the merging galaxy clusters Abell 0399 and Abell 0401 with the Low-Frequency Array (LOFAR) telescope network at 140 megahertz. This emission requires a population of relativistic electrons and a magnetic field located in a filament between the two galaxy clusters."

i.e., an electric current.
Good answer I'm sure, but it speaks to another question. Again, where are the double-quotes coming from? There is a convention for double quote-marks, and there is nothing casual about it. You have them right, in that full quote.

Jun 07, 2019
Good answer I'm sure, but it speaks to another question. Again, where are the double-quotes coming from? There is a convention for double quote-marks, and there is nothing casual about it.

I was referring to another article where the terminology was used by another poster.
https://phys.org/...ark.html

Jun 07, 2019
Good answer I'm sure, but it speaks to another question. Again, where are the double-quotes coming from? There is a convention for double quote-marks, and there is nothing casual about it.

I was referring to another article where the terminology was used by another poster.
https://phys.org/...ark.html
I see. So magnetized filaments = magnetized fields, and the first phrase--magnetized filaments--was put in double-quotes (legitimately taken from that article's source, I suppose, because I can't find magnetized filaments in that article), and thus magnetized fields can be put in double-quotes... But wait, how would anyone possibly have known what was being referred to in the first place?

I just find it so much easier to reserve double-quoting for exact strings in immediate articles, or clearly referenced source-articles therefrom, and fizz·org comments therefrom.

Jun 07, 2019
youtube videos of repetitiously obsolete grade-school science projects.

& the point is? Nothing accomplished but trivia.
Nothing new being learned.
Nothing new being created.
Nothing new being invented.

"Ma! Ma! Look what I can do with these magnets."

"Oohh my! Such a smart boy. Now put your toys away & go get washed up for dinner."

I can understand why the research in this article is as important as other competing research projects.

In context a trivial contribution.
But it all adds up.
Every bit of provable evidence adds to the entire body of Scientific knowledge.

Jun 07, 2019
Clearly willsj played with electric currents when he was a kid too, as it explains his brain damage.

Jun 07, 2019
Clearly willsj played with electric currents when he was a kid too, as it explains his brain damage.
says CD85

You have made a very accurate and highly noticeable observation, IMO.

The article is fascinating. Magnetic fields/Filaments (and possibly electrical currents) connecting 2 galaxy clusters that are 10 MLY apart and closing the distance, presumably. There is the potential that gravitational attraction isn't what is drawing them closer together. This is a delicious concept/theory so I plan to follow this research more closely. I will anxiously wait for the next gen LoFar to come online.

Jun 07, 2019
This is not the colliding clusters but they are opposite, diverging ones.
https://www.acade...ome_From

Jun 07, 2019
What are those "magnetized filaments" that create radio and synchrotron radiation called again? Oh right, electric currents!
I don't know what article you are reading to have put magnetized fields in   d o u b l e   quotes. In fact, I don't see the adjective 'magnetized' there at all, let alone 'magnetized fields'.
says danR

CD85 said "magnetised filaments" not fields.
Some folks use double quotation marks for emphasis, or to bring something to the fore so that it has less chance of being overlooked. Using capital letters would also be effective, but it's considered shouting. :)

Jun 07, 2019
The article is fascinating. Magnetic fields/Filaments (and possibly electrical currents) connecting 2 galaxy clusters that are 10 MLY apart and closing the distance, presumably. There is the potential that gravitational attraction isn't what is drawing them closer together. This is a delicious concept/theory so I plan to follow this research more closely. I will anxiously wait for the next gen LoFar to come online.
........first I've ever seen on anything like this.

This is found between 2 galaxy clusters, meaning that all the other galaxies within those clusters are also magnetically linked. I wonder how many galaxies there are total?

Did you know the Milky Way galactic halo overlaps that of Andromeda? This being the case why not magnetic fields as well? I've often wondered about what really goes on with these galactic halos, maybe Abell 0399 and Abell 0401 is treading new virgin ground here that could fundamentally change the way we view the Universe 10 years from now.

Jun 07, 2019
as i said, it's all about the context.

you boys are all excited & bursting with pride any day
you manage to put your shoes on the correct feet.

yes, for the two you cant &
sillyegg?
that is an accomplishment.

for the rest of us?
your antics are just not
at all interesting
or believable.

Jun 07, 2019
well benni, all that is left for you to do?

is turn all the telescopes of your observatory to that part of the sky, separating the once & future Milkameda.

& prove your speculation with direct observation.

Cause after all, as you have pointed out numerous times.
Simulations & models are not acceptable science,
no matter the veracity of the data those are based upon.

Good Searching!

& please post video online of you working amid the complex of advanced technology at your fortress of solitude.

Jun 07, 2019
What are those "magnetized filaments" that create radio and synchrotron radiation called again? Oh right, electric currents!
I don't know what article you are reading to have put magnetized fields in   d o u b l e   quotes. In fact, I don't see the adjective 'magnetized' there at all, let alone 'magnetized fields'.

When you read it, imagine Dr. Evil and Minime saying "laser" or "Preparation H"...

Jun 07, 2019
as i said, it's all about the context.

you boys are all excited & bursting with pride any day
you manage to put your shoes on the correct feet.

yes, for the two you cant &
sillyegg?
that is an accomplishment.

for the rest of us?
your antics are just not
at all interesting
or believable.
......and the only thing this rant is about is that you're hoping this article is completely wrong.

Jun 07, 2019
What are those "magnetized filaments" that create radio and synchrotron radiation called again? Oh right, electric currents!
I don't know what article you are reading to have put magnetized fields in   d o u b l e   quotes. In fact, I don't see the adjective 'magnetized' there at all, let alone 'magnetized fields'.
says danR

CD85 said "magnetised filaments" not fields.
Some folks use double quotation marks for emphasis, or to bring something to the fore so that it has less chance of being overlooked. Using capital letters would also be effective, but it's considered shouting. :)
Yes; he didn't use the British spelling, but that would be genuinely quibbling. There's nothing in his response to correspond to the useage you claim, and you're confusing "string" with *string* for emphasis. Eg.
DanR mis-wrote "magnetized fields" when the original was magnetized *filaments* .

Jun 07, 2019
Jeez, now the trolls are pretending to know colloquial American English l33t sp34k.

Look, forget the attempts to divert the conversation to someone's quoting style. The fact of the matter is that cranks can't count, and deny data. It's really just that simple.

Jun 08, 2019
as usual benni, you are projecting your own mental incompetency onto others.
in order to disrupt the communication of ideas
you disapprove of.
as you have no comprehension of the sciences being discussed.
i am not 'hoping' that this research is proven wrong.

That is your twisted ego that you can bully scientists & academics into agreeing with your lunacy.

unlike your cult of woomongering looneyticks?
i do not claim a false expertise & illusionary institutional paid-for-affirmation.
that's your gang-that-cant-think-straight.

i do not 'hope' that the conclusions to date of the researchers for this project
will be proven wrong.

My original criticism was never against the researchers.

but rather ridiculing you & yours false interpretations of the 'meaning' pf the results posted in this article.

i am ridiculing your delusion that playing in a mudhole gives you knowledge of the oceans.

As each of you fools in turn, insist that you are dictating the ebb & flow of the tides.

Jun 08, 2019
@Da Schneib.
Here go the dumbshits, arguing against data again. They never figure it out.
@DS, I have to ask: can you please point to/quote where/who is "arguing against data" in their comments on what was written/reported in the above article/observation? Thanks.

ps: All I read into their comments was their acknowledgement/interpretation of the observed phenomena. Surely that is perfectly legitimate in science discourse (from any and all 'sides'); and should be encouraged, not cavalierly dismissed with generic insults, whatever your previous 'interactions' with those you alluded to above. Yes? :)

Jun 08, 2019
@Benni.
This is found between 2 galaxy clusters, meaning that all the other galaxies within those clusters are also magnetically linked. I wonder how many galaxies there are total?
Interesting. Well observed, mate. :)

Did you know the Milky Way galactic halo overlaps that of Andromeda? This being the case why not magnetic fields as well? I've often wondered about what really goes on with these galactic halos, maybe Abell 0399 and Abell 0401 is treading new virgin ground here that could fundamentally change the way we view the Universe 10 years from now.
Interesting conjecture, mate. Can you link to the PO/other report/paper where that 'overlap' was observed/mentioned so that we can all discuss the further implications in the context of these recent discoveries of how magnetic/radiating-electron/plasma features/flows are being increasingly found in deep space reaches as well as within galaxies themselves? Thanks. :)

Jun 08, 2019
@Da Schneib.
Here go the dumbshits, arguing against data again. They never figure it out.
@DS, I have to ask: can you please point to/quote where/who is "arguing against data" in their comments on what was written/reported in the above article/observation? Thanks.

ps: All I read into their comments was their acknowledgement/interpretation of the observed phenomena. Surely that is perfectly legitimate in science discourse (from any and all 'sides'); and should be encouraged, not cavalierly dismissed with generic insults, whatever your previous 'interactions' with those you alluded to above. Yes? :)
says RC

It should have been apparent to you by now that neither Schneib nor rrwillsj (or their cheerleaders) are interested in legitimate science discourse if that discourse doesn't follow their own beliefs, predilections and strongly-held biases.

It is best to ignore such comments from those fools and get on with your own science discourse in spite of the ruffians.

Jun 08, 2019
@rrwillsj.

Whoa, mate; tone it down, wills ya? Try to make constructive objective scientific comment on article/study claims/results rather than stalking/trolling posters who are on-topic, however much you personally disagree with their interpretation/comment per se. Thanks. :)

ps: I suspect you missed the subtle point @benni was making when he responded to your own rant thusly:
......and the only thing this rant is about is that you're hoping this article is completely wrong.
He was obviously making the point that IF this article's implications are what they seem, then your rants may have to be slightly 'redirected' to those who *may* perhaps turn out to be proven wrong in at least some of your own assumptions on which you based your rant. Please try to tone down the animosity/personal attacks/insuts; and try to be more constructive in science/humanity discourse. Goodness knows the world needs more of it; since we have more than enough personal/political crap. Thanks. :)

Jun 08, 2019
@S_E_U.
It should have been apparent to you by now that neither Schneib nor rrwillsj (or their cheerleaders) are interested in legitimate science discourse if that discourse doesn't follow their own beliefs, predilections and strongly-held biases.

It is best to ignore such comments from those fools and get on with your own science discourse in spite of the ruffians.

Seems we posted simultaneously. As you can see, I already addressed the "willsj" matter. I will be interested to see how he (and DS) respond to my above observations/queries re their respective attitude/behaviour in this thread so far. Cheers all. :)

Jun 08, 2019
@CD85
@Benni
@danR @RC

https://www.lives...ics.html

The above link is to Live Science that is quite similar to the above physorg article on the same topic. I see no reason why a magnetic field couldn't be created between 2 galaxy clusters since EM is a stronger force than is Gravity, which depends on Mass.

At 10 MLY hence, the ability of weak Gravity to draw these 2 together would be practically nil; therefore the alternative to Gravity, which is Electromagnetism seems to be the best possible solution to the cause/reason for this coming together. Perhaps it is a difference in charge that is causing the attraction to eventually merge.
Perhaps also, that same situation is causing Andromeda and Milky Way to eventually come together one day.

Jun 08, 2019
Finally in this Vacuous Vacuum a Proton and Scrumptious Electron

Filaments are extremely long strands of gases that exist in the empty parts of space
Filaments of a band of radiation known as a synchrotron emission
Created by electrons moving through a magnetic field
Magnetic fields stretched all the way from galaxy clusters to the other
Following a filament between galaxies
A magnetic field extending between galaxy clusters
Is a common occurrence
The question of where the electrons came from
Is from the filamentary plasma occupying the vacuum between the galaxies

For this proton and this scrumptious electron all alone in this vacuous vacuum
Creating this energy of this vacuum
For in their trillions
In their plasmatic filamentary strands
Connecting galaxy to galaxy
These scrumptious electrons
Make synchrotron emission with their protons together

For now we see it happen
In this vacuous vacuum
A proton and electron
Light their filamentary strands aglow with gamma-radiation

Jun 08, 2019
@S_E_U.
It should have been apparent to you by now that neither Schneib nor rrwillsj (or their cheerleaders) are interested in legitimate science discourse if that discourse doesn't follow their own beliefs, predilections and strongly-held biases.

It is best to ignore such comments from those fools and get on with your own science discourse in spite of the ruffians.

Seems we posted simultaneously. As you can see, I already addressed the "willsj" matter. I will be interested to see how he (and DS) respond to my above observations/queries re their respective attitude/behaviour in this thread so far. Cheers all. :)
says RC

And yet again, you return to the fight/argument that is the hallmark of the ruffian and loutish behaviours of those whose interest in this website is solely to provoke you into yet another argument. You STILL don't see that this sort of argumentation is what they want YOU to indulge in - mainly to prevent you from stating your case.

Jun 08, 2019
@CD85
@Benni
@danR @RC

https://www.lives...ics.html

The above link is to Live Science that is quite similar to the above physorg article on the same topic. I see no reason why a magnetic field couldn't be created between 2 galaxy clusters since EM is a stronger force than is Gravity, which depends on Mass.

At 10 MLY hence, the ability of weak Gravity to draw these 2 together would be practically nil; therefore the alternative to Gravity, which is Electromagnetism seems to be the best possible solution to the cause/reason for this coming together. Perhaps it is a difference in charge that is causing the attraction to eventually merge.
Perhaps also, that same situation is causing Andromeda and Milky Way to eventually come together one day.


Complete tosh. Get an education. At those scales gravity is far stronger than EM. Know why? Gravity only attracts. EM has + & - which cancel out.

Jun 08, 2019
Finally in this Vacuous Vacuum a Proton and Scrumptious Electron

...Created by electrons moving through a magnetic field
Magnetic fields stretched all the way from galaxy clusters to the other
Following a filament..
A magnetic field extending between galaxy clusters
Is a common occurrence
The question of where the electrons came from
Is from the filamentary plasma occupying the vacuum between the galaxies

For this proton and this scrumptious electron all alone in this vacuous vacuum
Creating this energy of this vacuum
For in their trillions
In their plasmatic filamentary strands
Connecting galaxy to galaxy
These scrumptious electrons
Make synchrotron emission with their protons together

For now we see it happen
In this vacuous vacuum
A proton and electron
Light their filamentary strands aglow with gamma-radiation
says granville

It reads almost like a 'love story'. LOL
In relation to this, I have a bit of understanding of it, which I will not reveal

Jun 08, 2019
SEU: Before our Maker - For not an 800 thousand miles starry fusion reaction in sight

For now we see it happen
In this vacuous vacuum
A proton and electron
Light their filamentary strands aglow with gamma-radiation

This proton and scrumptious electron consummate their marriage together
In Holy synchrotron emission make gamma-radiation together
The most energetic radiation in this infinite vacuous vacuum
More powerful than Starry Fusion
All alone together surrounded by trillions of their married kith and kin
Pristine Protons and pristine Electrons that occupy this vacuum

Jun 08, 2019
@CD85
@Benni
@danR @RC

I see no reason why a magnetic field couldn't be created between 2 galaxy clusters since EM is a stronger force than is Gravity, which depends on Mass.

At 10 MLY hence, the ability of weak Gravity to draw these 2 together would be practically nil; therefore the alternative to Gravity, which is Electromagnetism seems to be the best possible solution to the cause/reason for this coming together. Perhaps it is a difference in charge that is causing the attraction to eventually merge.
Perhaps also, that same situation is causing Andromeda and Milky Way to eventually come together one day.


Complete tosh. Get an education. At those scales gravity is far stronger than EM. Know why? Gravity only attracts. EM has + & - which cancel out.
says Castovagina

At the distance of 10 MLY between the 2 galaxy clusters, Gravity is too weak to draw them together. The attraction of 2 Masses in close distance/proximity is by Gravity.
But not in this case

Jun 08, 2019
At the distance of 10 MLY between the 2 galaxy clusters, Gravity is too weak to draw them together. The attraction of 2 Masses in close distance/proximity is by Gravity.
But not in this case


Wrong, dumbo.

Jun 08, 2019
@S_E_U.
Seems we posted simultaneously. As you can see, I already addressed the "willsj" matter. I will be interested to see how he (and DS) respond to my above observations/queries re their respective attitude/behaviour in this thread so far. Cheers all. :)
And yet again, you return to the fight/argument that is the hallmark of the ruffian and loutish behaviours of those whose interest in this website is solely to provoke you into yet another argument. You STILL don't see that this sort of argumentation is what they want YOU to indulge in - mainly to prevent you from stating your case.
A timely reminder: my username here reflects my function here; as well as my own approach to commentary/discourse re PO articles/reports. Given the limited time at my disposal, I do impartial/objective reality checks on whatever egregious examples of bad logic/science/behaviour happen to catch my eye when reading through here; regardless of whatever 'side' they are from. That's it. :)

Jun 08, 2019
LoFar, low-frequency radio telescope

Made up of 25,000 antennas spread across 51 locations
For this is undeniable
as now we see it happen
In their plasmatic filamentary strands
Connecting galaxy to galaxy

LOFAR
The Low-Frequency Array or LOFAR, is a large radio telescope network located mainly in the Netherlands, completed in 2012 by ASTRON
https://en.wikipe...ki/LOFAR

Jun 08, 2019
SEU: Before our Maker - For not an 800 thousand miles starry fusion reaction in sight

For now we see it happen
In this vacuous vacuum
A proton and electron
Light their filamentary strands aglow with gamma-radiation

This proton and scrumptious electron consummate their marriage together
In Holy synchrotron emission make gamma-radiation together
The most energetic radiation in this infinite vacuous vacuum
More powerful than Starry Fusion
All alone together surrounded by trillions of their married kith and kin
Pristine Protons and pristine Electrons that occupy this vacuum
says granville

These particles are constantly producing Energy and Momentum without end = Work. And these magnetic fields/EM between the 2 galactic clusters are receiving the attractive 'FLOWS' that are coursing through the Filaments. One galactic cluster may have a -charge and the other a +charge. The filaments would then act as a plus and minus charge on either end of the filament.

Jun 08, 2019
SEU: Before our Maker - For not an 800 thousand miles starry fusion reaction in sight

For now we see it happen
In this vacuous vacuum
A proton and electron
Light their filamentary strands aglow with gamma-radiation

This proton and scrumptious electron consummate their marriage together
In Holy synchrotron emission make gamma-radiation together
The most energetic radiation in this infinite vacuous vacuum
More powerful than Starry Fusion
All alone together surrounded by trillions of their married kith and kin
Pristine Protons and pristine Electrons that occupy this vacuum
says granville

These particles are constantly producing Energy and Momentum without end = Work. And these magnetic fields/EM between the 2 galactic clusters are receiving the attractive 'FLOWS' that are coursing through the Filaments. One galactic cluster may have a -charge and the other a +charge. The filaments would then act as a plus and minus charge on either end of the filament.


Complete crap.

Jun 08, 2019
At the distance of 10 MLY between the 2 galaxy clusters, Gravity is too weak to draw them together. The attraction of 2 Masses in close distance/proximity is by Gravity.
But not in this case


Wrong, dumbo.
Two words from Castrovagina without further explanation/description of WHY it is wrong.
Negativity without a plausible explanation indicates no reasonable or scientific opinion in order to counter the former comment as having no credibility - only the need to express some BS.

Jun 08, 2019
Galactic clusters are in gravitational orbital's

So are weightless
Exactly the same as satellites in earthly orbital
Because of this fact
The filamentary interlinking multimillion Lyr strands
Held together by their electric and magnetic fields
Attract two weightless orbital galaxies together

Just as two weightless orbital satellites drift apart
With virtually no force imparted between them

Jun 08, 2019
At the distance of 10 MLY between the 2 galaxy clusters, Gravity is too weak to draw them together. The attraction of 2 Masses in close distance/proximity is by Gravity.
But not in this case


Wrong, dumbo.
Two words from Castrovagina without further explanation/description of WHY it is wrong.
Negativity without a plausible explanation indicates no reasonable or scientific opinion in order to counter the former comment as having no credibility - only the need to express some BS.


You are talking out of your arse. No explanation needed. You do not understand science. Stop commenting on it, and then we wouldn't have to keep telling you that you're talking crap.

Jun 08, 2019
Galactic clusters are in gravitational orbital's

So are weightless
Exactly the same as satellites in earthly orbital
Because of this fact
The filamentary interlinking multimillion Lyr strands
Held together by their electric and magnetic fields
Attract two weightless orbital galaxies together

Just as two weightless orbital satellites drift apart
With virtually no force imparted between them
says granville

Both of the articles seem to indicate that the attraction between the 2 clusters is caused by an electromagnetic coursing of plus/minus charge within the filaments. Please correct me if otherwise.

Jun 08, 2019
At the distance of 10 MLY between the 2 galaxy clusters, Gravity is too weak to draw them together. The attraction of 2 Masses in close distance/proximity is by Gravity.
But not in this case


Wrong, dumbo.
Two words from Castrovagina without further explanation/description of WHY it is wrong.
Negativity without a plausible explanation indicates no reasonable or scientific opinion in order to counter the former comment as having no credibility - only the need to express some BS.


You are talking out of your arse. No explanation needed. You do not understand science. Stop commenting on it, and then we wouldn't have to keep telling you that you're talking crap.


And STILL no explanation of WHY my opinion is wrong. It is obvious that Castrovagina has no answers to give - no explanations, creditable refutations, links, observations - only "you're wrong" and "you are talking out of your arse". jonesy would make a lousy teacher.

Jun 08, 2019
Gravity is Zero in Orbital's

SEU
The strength of gravity is zero
Counteracted by centrifugal force

So we can all sleep peacefully
In the safe and secure knowledge
That whatever electrical and magnetical forces exists
Between the ends of these multimillion filamentary strands
Because gravity is zero
The only force that exists between two orbital galaxies are electrical forces

Jun 08, 2019
SEU
If you have not already noticed
Jonesy is following his own advice; Stop commenting
His spark has faded of late
This is why P.W is no more, as this was the predominant mantra
Stop commentating was their catch phrase; jonesy would have been at home on P.W
Because SEU, they only had 15 articles a month
If you can imagine phys.org only having 15 articles a month

Jun 08, 2019
An international team of researchers has found evidence of a ridge of radio emissions joining two galaxy clusters.

…some galaxy clusters have magnetic fields.

Abell 0399 and Abell 0401, which prior research had shown were in the process of merging.

they are still approximately 10 million light years apart.

the filaments between the clusters.

extremely long strands of gases that exist in the empty parts of space

evidence in the filaments of a band of radiation known as a synchrotron emission—a type of illumination that is created by electrons moving through a magnetic field. The researchers report that the magnetic field stretched all the way from one of the galaxy clusters to the other, following a filament between them.

first example of a magnetic field extending between galaxy clusters


Jun 08, 2019
And from LS:

"This emission requires a population of relativistic [near light-speed] electrons and a magnetic field located in a filament between the two galaxy clusters," the authors wrote in the study. Because there were no other obvious radio sources between the clusters, the team concluded that the ridge was most likely an extension of the magnetic fields and high-speed particle interactions occurring inside the clusters.

Jun 08, 2019
SEU
If you have not already noticed
Jonesy is following his own advice; Stop commenting
His spark has faded of late
This is why P.W is no more, as this was the predominant mantra
Stop commentating was their catch phrase; jonesy would have been at home on P.W
Because SEU, they only had 15 articles a month
If you can imagine phys.org only having 15 articles a month
says granville

I went to the PW site, noticed no comment phorums, read a few articles, left and never looked back so to speak. I'd imagine that PW suffered from the same disease that physorg is now undergoing - that of some of the denizens who live in physorg having a total aversion to alternative science and a debilitating rage toward any possibility that their much loved GR/SR/Dark Matter could ever be under attack AND, worst of all, be proven wrong. That great fear of having to learn science all over again must be frightening beyond belief.

Jun 08, 2019
These electric and magnetic fields

In the filaments
And in the clusters
Jonesy has been at logger heads with cantdrive since first joining phy.org
Proving plasma, filaments, clusters existing in electrical attraction do not exist
That it is all down to gravity
This is why jonesy is so grumpy
He has become set in his way with a little help from cantdrive
For to cantdrive is passing the time of day
Little knowing jonesy was keeping the sword of truth true
Now jonesy has to eat his words, eat his sword of truth
Maybe there is another avatar in the offing

For jonesy knoweth all these recent facts
Because in these circles these have been known this long time since
For some reason known only to jonesy
Even though he knows these to exist
He continually argues against them
Like don Quixote and his windmills

Jun 08, 2019
>Egg
The researchers report that the magnetic field stretched all the way from one of the galaxy clusters to the other, following a filament between them.
.....not exactly.

The manner in which electrons move along magnetic field lines is the shape of a SPIRAL as it follows the magnetic line which is traveling at lightspeed. The electrons corkscrew around the magnetic lines. After a magnetic pathway for electrons has been created with an induced potential drop (voltage) then electrons will start spiraling (corkscrewing) around the magnetic line & then a FILAMENT has been created.

Keep in mind to create a FILAMENT three things must all be occurring at the same time:
1. Magnetic line as the pathway.
2. Potential drop along the pathway.
3. Electrons will flow, the quantity of which depends on the resistance created by small gaps along the pathway which causes radio influence voltage that is being heard emanating along the "ridge" in this article.

Jun 08, 2019
At those scales gravity is far stronger than EM. Know why? Gravity only attracts. EM has + & - which cancel out.
This is the point that the nutjobs don't get. And + attracts - and vice versa, so it's certain they will cancel in the long run. Like, say, 13.7 billion years and shit.

Jun 08, 2019
@Benni
@granville

https://phys.org/...sma.html

I went back to the above phorum to see if there is ANY possible relationship between creating 4mm plasma jets in a lab with 20 lasers, has anything analogous to filaments, EM and a magnetic field created between 2 galactic clusters. Size does count, however, so there is no comparison in that area. But I am intrigued by the 4mm plasma jet having a magnetic field, while granville queried the diameter of the plasma jet. If there is a connection somehow........?

Jun 08, 2019
>Egg
The researchers report that the magnetic field stretched all the way from one of the galaxy clusters to the other, following a...
.....not exactly.

The manner in which electrons move along magnetic field lines is the shape of a SPIRAL as it follows the magnetic line which is traveling at lightspeed. The electrons corkscrew around the magnetic lines. After a magnetic pathway for electrons has been created with an induced potential drop (voltage) then electrons will start spiraling (corkscrewing) around the magnetic line & then a FILAMENT has been created.

Keep in mind to create a FILAMENT three things must all be occurring at the same time:
1. Magnetic line as the pathway.
2. Potential drop along the pathway.
3. Electrons will flow, the quantity of which depends on the resistance created by small gaps along the pathway which causes radio influence voltage that is being heard emanating along the "ridge" in this article.


OK Thanks for the reminder,

Jun 09, 2019
It is obvious that Castrovagina has no answers to give - no explanations, creditable refutations, links, observations - only "you're wrong" and "you are talking out of your arse".

jonesdumb is incapable of explaining why because he doesn't understand himself. Not to mention he has never proffered an original thought of his own, he is only capable of parroting other morons.

The only force that exists between two orbital galaxies are electrical forces

Indeed, the gravitational forces are negligible at these distances. That observations have shown that gravity cannot explain galactic movement at these scales is lost on the Darkists.

Jun 09, 2019
Cranks can't count. Add +1 and -1 and you get zero.

Jun 09, 2019
Filaments of plasma stretch 500 million Lys in the voids between galactic super clusters

Filaments of plasma actually exist
In these galactic cluster voids
Exists protons electrons neutrinos
Because
These make hydrogen
As hydrogen is this dust in the vacuum that has coalesced to form galaxies
This tenuous plasma is all that now remains after the bulk of the matter has coalesced into galaxies

As has been shown many times
Synchrotron emission makes gamma-radiation
Makes these filaments glow in electromagnetic radiation
Stretching 500 million Lys
With it are 100Tesla spiralling magnetic jets
All these effects are femto sized
These are the individual protons and electrons that make up these galactic filaments
Atomic process's are femto sized enacted in their trillions in 500 million Ly strands

In this atomic world
Two worlds exist simultaneously
The femto world and the galactic 500 million Ly world
This quantum world is this macro world, are one and the same
In this singular vacuum

Jun 09, 2019
It is obvious that Castrovagina has no answers to give - no explanations, creditable refutations, links, observations - only "you're wrong" and "you are talking out of your arse".

jonesdumb is incapable of explaining why because he doesn't understand himself. Not to mention he has never proffered an original thought of his own, he is only capable of parroting other morons.

The only force that exists between two orbital galaxies are electrical forces

Indeed, the gravitational forces are negligible at these distances. That observations have shown that gravity cannot explain galactic movement at these scales is lost on the Darkists.


Wrong dumbo. Show the working. What is the charge on galaxy cluster A?. What is the charge on galaxy cluster B? What is the magnetic field being discussed here? How does it compare to the IMF carried by the solar wind? Where is this written up? Get on with it, woo boy.

Jun 09, 2019
I went to the PW site, noticed no comment phorums, read a few articles, left and never looked back so to speak. I'd imagine that PW suffered from the same disease that physorg is now undergoing - that of some of the denizens who live in physorg having a total aversion to alternative science and a debilitating rage toward any possibility that their much loved GR/SR/Dark Matter could ever be under attack AND, worst of all, be proven wrong. That great fear of having to learn science all over again must be frightening beyond belief.


You haven't got any alternate science. You don't understand any science, you freak. Why would anybody be afraid of idiots like you? Science carries on quite nicely without uneducated fruitloops like you and your ilk. You are a complete irrelevance. The debate does not happen here, nor in other forums. It happens in the scientific literature. And cranks avoid that like the plague. They have nothing to offer.

Jun 09, 2019
Gee, we saw the black hole at the center of M87.

Just sayin'.

Jun 09, 2019
Where two worlds are one

"In this atomic world
Two worlds exist simultaneously
The femto world and the galactic 500 million Ly world"

We have become accustomed
To perceiving this femto world as another world
As though we are observing another planet
This matter we are observing in this femto world
Is this same matter we are constructed of
Retinas perceive individual photons
Is proof this femto world exists in our every day physical world
This unpredictable femto world of probabilistic photons
Is no obstacle to natures retina as it perceives individual photons
For in this probabilistic photon
We discard only two photons
As the third photon is counted to make certain of false probabilities
Nature demonstrates this probabilistic femto photon world
Is the very world nature deals with on a daily basis
Without removing this probabilistic nature
In other words this world we perceive when we wake up
Is this probabilistic world we perceive in this femto world

Jun 09, 2019
@granny explain why we can see the hallway behind us reflected in the window and still see out.

Jun 09, 2019
Brevity is the soul of wit, phys.org
I went to the PW site, noticed no comment phorums, read a few articles, left and never looked back so to speak


jonesy> You haven't got any alternate science You don't understand any science Science carries on quite nicely without uneducated fruitloops like you and your ilk You are a complete irrelevance The debate does not happen here nor in other forums It happens in the scientific literature And cranks avoid that like the plague They have nothing to offer

Jonesy, welcome to P.Ws equivalent of Brevity is the soul of wit
P.W, a degree is expected when commentating on P.W, but everyone is welcome

Jonesy, a little word in your shell like
With your attitude
Your comments would have been disappearing faster than you were inkly typing them
If you had made the unfortunate mistake of stumbling into P.W instead of phys.org

Jonesdave, Whatever your gripe is all about
You do not know how lucky you are to be able to comment on phys.org

Jun 09, 2019
DaSchneib, your immortal question

DaSchneib
DaSchneib> @granny explain why we can see the hallway behind us reflected in the window and still see out.

Not wanting to resurrect your immortal question
Transparent light and reflected light has all the hallmarks of 2 + 2/2 = ?

p.s. DaSchneib, as you develop this intellectual ethos of this formulaic approach, this formula has acquired a deeper meaning far greater than its apparent mathematics as it now contains an intellect that is unique in its meaning that is uniquely yours, DaSchneib

Jun 09, 2019
You can see back, and you can see out. It's not math. You can see it.

How's that work, @granny?

Jun 09, 2019
DaSchneib: @granny why we can see the hallway behind us reflected in the window and still see out

DaSchneib, if you develop these ideas
That result from two apparently contradictory events from a single event
As in this photons capability to pass through and simultaneously reflect in the same material
Because as you have probably gathered
You're not perceived to be asking the question you appear to be asking

Jun 09, 2019
I'm looking at the window, @granny. I see out, and I see back.

Explain this.

Jun 09, 2019
You can see back, and you can see out. It's not math. You can see it.

How's that work, @granny?
.......well, it's certainly a good thing it's not about "math" with all the difficulty you've been having with 2+2/2=? , not to even speak of Differential Equations.

Jun 09, 2019
DaSchneib: You're not perceived to be asking the question you appear to be asking

This DaSchneib is like the fairy tale of an event that was thought to happen
When everyone discovered it never happens
Then for ever after every question is regarded in this same frame of mind
For there is this temptation to provide this solution
While at the same time
There is this instinct saying you're asking a different question
For DaSchneib, you have this same instinct
As when you pose your question your instinct tell you that it is not this question you are asking
For as you know this answer is this destination
As it is the journey you seek not a specific answer to a specific question
Because this answer is this end of this journey
For DaSchneib, you need to go and think this out again
Is why Da Schneib is presently DaSchneib

Jun 09, 2019
Gee, we saw the black hole at the center of M87.

Just sayin'.
.......no one has ever seen a BH there, radio wavelength artistic illustrations looking like Einstein Rings by the EHT bunch doesn't count. Why is EHT still so mum about SgrA*?

Jun 09, 2019
Look at the window. You see out and you see back behind you.

How does that work, @Benni?

Jun 09, 2019
Let me make this more explicit: some of the little photonies got through the glass and some of them got reflected. Why is that?

You can directly see quantum mechanics right in front of your face. Why are you still denying the data you can see with your own eyes? What's the matter with you?

Jun 09, 2019
Gee, we saw the black hole at the center of M87.

Just sayin'.
.......no one has ever seen a BH there, radio wavelength artistic illustrations looking like Einstein Rings by the EHT bunch doesn't count. Why is EHT still so mum about SgrA*?


You lost thicko. Having trouble coming to terms with it, aren't you janitor boy? Lol.

Jun 09, 2019
You can see back, and you can see out. It's not math. You can see it.

How's that work, @granny?
.......well, it's certainly a good thing it's not about "math" with all the difficulty you've been having with 2+2/2=? , not to even speak of Differential Equations.


You can do neither of those things. DEs are well beyond you. Simple arithmetic is beyond you. Stick to cleaning toilets.

Jun 09, 2019
Galaxies share their Magnetic Fields

Abell 0399 and Abell 0401 presently at 10 million Lys are merging
with their magnetic field stretching between them
where the filamentary plasma is glowing in synchrotron radiation

Which means Abell 0399 and Abell 0401 are sharing their magnetic field
and as they are merging
Abell 0399 and Abell 0401 are moving through their own clouds of plasmas

As stars have magnetic fields
It follows galaxies have magnetic fields
As a galaxies magnetic field is the sum total of all its stars

Jun 09, 2019
Walking down the hall I can see my reflection in the window, and I can see outside through the window. How do the photons decide whether to reflect or transmit, @granny?

Jun 09, 2019
Walking down the hall I can see my reflection in the window, and I can see outside through the window. How do the photons decide whether to reflect or transmit, @granny?
.......poor photons, they must feel a lot of pain in doing reflections of you.

Jun 09, 2019
Go ahead, @Benni, tell us how the little photonies decide.

Waiting over here.

Today is going to be one of those days where you get humiliated repeatedly.

Jun 09, 2019
And if you can't even figure out why the photons decide to transmit or reflect, what the flying fuck are you doing bloviating about photons in space? You can't even figure out why they do what they do here on Earth, in your own front hallway.

Jun 09, 2019
Today is going to be one of those days where you get humiliated repeatedly.
....yer kidding? How many different monikers you got in this chatroom?

Jun 09, 2019
DaSchneib: @granny why we can see the hallway behind us reflected in the window and still see out

DaSchneib, if you develop these ideas
That result from two apparently contradictory events from a single event
As in this photons capability to pass through and simultaneously reflect in the same material
Because as you have probably gathered
You're not perceived to be asking the question you appear to be asking
says granville

If glass was perfectly transparent, it would be invisible. Since we can see glass, at least in good lighting, that means it's not completely invisible. Most light passes through, but some bounces off.
If it's very dark on the other side of the window, it's easier to see the light being reflected on your side. This is why you can see yourself in a window at night, or in a dimmed storefront. It's also how "one-way mirrors" really work-- they would just be windows if they weren't placed between a bright room and a dark room.

Jun 09, 2019
It is obvious that Castrovagina has no answers to give - no explanations, creditable refutations, links, observations - only "you're wrong" and "you are talking out of your arse".

jonesdumb is incapable of explaining why because he doesn't understand himself. Not to mention he has never proffered an original thought of his own, he is only capable of parroting other morons.

The only force that exists between two orbital galaxies are electrical forces

Indeed, the gravitational forces are negligible at these distances. That observations have shown that gravity cannot explain galactic movement at these scales is lost on the Darkists.
says CD85

Gravity depends on Mass x 2 at fairly close quarters to be effective. It is well known that Gravity loses its ability to draw/attract bodies together if such bodies are beyond a certain distance from each other. After such a distance between the 2, there is only the attractive forces of EM field that extends between..

Jun 09, 2019
Right, but how can you have something that transmits light sometimes and reflects it sometimes? See, that's the question none of you can answer. You don't know enough science.

Hint: it has nothing to do with the brightness of the light.

Jun 09, 2019
Gee, we saw the black hole at the center of M87.

Just sayin'.
.......no one has ever seen a BH there, radio wavelength artistic illustrations looking like Einstein Rings by the EHT bunch doesn't count. Why is EHT still so mum about SgrA*?

says Benni in answer to Schneb

They have been claiming that the BH is at the wrong angle for a good image and what they did manage to image was much too jittery to be of any value; which most likely means that they will never be able to get a true image of the alleged Black Hole at SgrA* for the obvious reason that, unless they send a telescope out to photograph the "Black Hole" at the distance from Earth of ~26kLY, and that the alleged BH is not going to turn around to face the EHT more squarely, there will be no image of the BH at SgrA* to study since the image is too skewed and will remain skewed unless a request is sent to it to turn around for optimum exposure, similar to a movie star posing for the camera.
:D


Jun 09, 2019
They have been claiming that the BH is at the wrong angle
.....what shape other than round do they expect this thing to be? How is something round at the wrong angle to be imaged?

"jittery"? Yeah, that part of the explanation I also saw, but no explanation describing what they meant by it.

Jun 09, 2019
Cranks lying and changing the subject again.

Why does some of the light reflect and some transmit?

That's the question here and none of the cranks can answer it.

And if they don't know how light behaves in their own homes, how can they possibly know how it behaves a hundred million light years away?

Jun 09, 2019
They have been claiming that the BH is at the wrong angle
.....what shape other than round do they expect this thing to be? How is something round at the wrong angle to be imaged?

"jittery"? Yeah, that part of the explanation I also saw, but no explanation describing what they meant by it.
says Benni

I didn't understand what they meant by "jittery" either, but that's the word they used. It seems as though the EHT was not correctly adjusted or not steady enough to avoid the jitters.
If a BH is round, then if you see it from sideways, it should look more of an oval shape due to the angle. When looking at it full forward, it would be round IF it's really round. But it could also be flat and round instead of a ball-shape. It is possible that the BH is the same appearance as the Event Horizon and the accretion disc. They had never seen the back side of it, so how could they tell if it is like a ball? I think that this BH in SgrA is flat like Saturn's rings.

Jun 09, 2019
Cranks lying and changing the subject again.

Why does some of the light reflect and some transmit?

That's the question here and none of the cranks can answer it.

And if they don't know how light behaves in their own homes, how can they possibly know how it behaves a hundred million light years away?
We see your problem schneibo, it is dark beneath your bridge because there is no light to reflect IN or OUT.

Jun 09, 2019
All they have is more trolling.

It's a simple question.

Why does some of the light transmit and some reflect?

And if you can't answer that, why should we believe you about light sources hundreds of millions of light years away?

Jun 09, 2019
Cranks lying and changing the subject again.

Why does some of the light reflect and some transmit?

That's the question here and none of the cranks can answer it.

And if they don't know how light behaves in their own homes, how can they possibly know how it behaves a hundred million light years away?
We see your problem schneibo, it is dark beneath your bridge because there is no light to reflect IN or OUT.
says Benni

Schneib is using his silly queries as a decoy to detract from what we have been talking about regarding the magnetic field/EM/plasma/filaments that extends from 1 galactic cluster to the other one that is 10 MLY away. He has changed the subject to take people's minds off the real topic of the article which we had been involved in discussing.
Pay no mind to Schneib as this is his way of shorting out the "science discourse", as RC would say, so that other commentators will possibly forget what had been said about the topic itself.

Jun 10, 2019
@Benni
@S_E_U.

The 'jittery' image of nearest black hole is due to parallax effect when our earth/orbiting telescopes/instruments are receiving photons from different angles during the solar year motion of Earth around the sun. That is less of a problem when the black hole is much farther away like the M87 one is; because no matter how Earth/scopes move around 'here', the photons from 'there' arrive 'here' from basically the same line of sight regardless (like when you are in a moving train you see nearer power poles 'move past' at greater rate than the much more distant features on the horizon do). Ok? :)

ps @Benni.
After a magnetic pathway for electrons has been created with an induced potential drop (voltage) then electrons will start spiraling (corkscrewing) around the magnetic line & then a FILAMENT has been created.
Careful, mate. Electrons, Protons, Ions in free space are TRAPPED and forced to move along magnetic field according to their charge, not voltages. Ok? :)

Jun 10, 2019
I have a question, maybe off topic but if gravity is so powerful, why does the earth not fly straight into the sun.

Jun 10, 2019
@agent-smith.
I have a question, maybe off topic but if gravity is so powerful, why does the earth not fly straight into the sun.
An analogue for you to consider: have you ever spun a ball-on-a-string around you and felt the pull of the ball? That is the inertial motion effect from the ball trying to escape from the string and fly away straight along an escape trajectory. The force that the BALL experiences that keeps the ball going around and around, instead of flying away straight, can be the analogy of the GRAVITATIONAL 'force' that keeps it tethered to YOU at the centre of its 'orbit' around you. Similarly, the inertial 'straight line' path/velocity of the Earth is 'curved' by gravity to make an 'orbital path' because (analogous to that string and ball) the Earth is 'tethered' by gravity while inertial motion of Earth tries to keep it going straight and away. The two 'forces' balance when a stable orbital path is established so that the Earth/Ball keeps going round. :)

Jun 10, 2019
Just because you don't have the answer doesn't make it silly. And it's a simple question: two photons hit the same piece of glass at the same time, at the same angle, at the same energy. One goes through, one bounces. Explain this, @SEU.

You can't, because you're an anti-science crank.

Jun 10, 2019
@agent, @RC gave a simplistic but essentially correct answer. There is another way to look at it: conservation of momentum. This is Newton's First law of motion: an object in motion tends to remain in motion at the same speed and direction, and an object at rest tends to remain at rest, unless acted upon by a force. The Earth doesn't fall into the Sun because it is in motion, but it also cannot continue in the same direction because gravity is acting on it. The force of gravity is strong enough to keep the Earth from flying away, but the momentum of the Earth is strong enough to keep it from falling into the Sun. Which is the way physics describes the situation as @RC pointed out, just like the tether that keeps the ball from speeding away from you in his example. Would you ask @RC why the ball doesn't hit him when he's whirling it around? Of course not; this is how things behave in your experience; and the same thing keeps the Earth in orbit around the Sun.

Jun 10, 2019
@Benni
@S_E_U.

The 'jittery' image of nearest black hole is due to parallax effect.... when the black hole is much farther away like the M87 one is; because no matter how Earth/scopes move around 'here', the photons from 'there' arrive 'here' from basically the same line of sight regardless (like when you are in a moving train you see nearer power poles 'move past' at greater rate than the much more distant features on the horizon do). Ok? :)
says RC

It seems to be the 'line of sight' that is the problem, where the image from SgrA* MAY be at such an angle in relation to Earth that it is virtually impossible to get a FULL image rather than only a partial one. IOW the image is coming in at a curve rather than in a straight line toward the EHT. It is further perturbed by an EH and the disc if they also exist.
Taking a photo of your face, you see a nose, eyes, mouth, but from the side you can only see one eye, the sides of your nose and mouth and one side of your face.

Jun 10, 2019
Still waiting for an explanation of why some photons transmit and some bounce, @SEU. Just in case you forgot.

Jun 10, 2019
What's with this Sagittarius A* blackhole jitters

Is not this sun
As a star
Orbiting this galaxy
Our Milkyway
Coincidently as Sagittarius A*
Is at this centre of this Milkyway
It rotates at the same angular velocity as this Milkyway
For because our sun and Sagittarius A* rotate at this same angular velocity
It is as though the sun and Sagittarius A* are stationary
As we are always in constant line of sight
The only motion that is visible
Is this rotation period of Sagittarius A*
For this period of Sagittarius A* is this blackholes length of day

The long and short, Sagittarius A* does not have the jitters

Jun 10, 2019
Still waiting for an explanation of why some photons transmit and some bounce, @SEU. Just in case you forgot.
.........2 + 2/2

Jun 10, 2019
Yeah, @Benni, it's kinda like that, in that I don't think any of you is smart enough to answer it. I'm looking at a book that has the answer in the first 20 pages too, and if you ask nicely I might tell you the title.

Jun 10, 2019
The long and short, Sagittarius A* does not have the jitters
.......it's just a corny psycho-babble way of admitting everything they do at EHT is a ruse of a scam they continue pulling off on unsuspecting bridge dwellers like Da Schneibo who suck this stuff up going from fix to fix.

Jun 10, 2019
It must really piss you off that your stupidity can be so easily demonstrated.

Jun 10, 2019
Today is going to be one of those days where you get humiliated repeatedly.
....yer kidding? How many different monikers you got in this chatroom?


Not as many as you @Benni

Jun 10, 2019
For immortality, TrollianDaSchneib 2+2/2 = ?

TrollianDaSchneib
All they have is more trolling.

It's a simple question.

Why does some of the light transmit and some reflect?

And if you can't answer that, why should we believe you about light sources hundreds of millions of light years away?

For inscribed on your bridge, TrollianDaSchneib
Your own personal bridge, TrollianDaSchneib
On permanent loan
From the Trollian society
For Trollians, as of Trollians
The likes of TrollianDaSchneib
Who having suffered irreparably from finrot
These ravages of finrot
For all though Trollians such as TrollianDaSchneib
Have our sympathy
As having let the ravages of finrot take root
No mortal soul can help these tormented Trollians
For TrollianDaSchneib is such a Trollian
And in this TrollianDaSchneib
Has earned his full title, TrollianDaSchneib
For immortality
His epitaph inscribed in stone above his Bridge
TrollianDaSchneib 2+2/2 = ?

Jun 10, 2019
Still waiting for an explanation of why some photons transmit and some bounce, @SEU. Just in case you forgot.
says Schneib

I am not going to indulge you by answering your silly game of "20 Questions". The answers are all on Google if you have a need to know.
I have reported your use of abusive and inappropriate words/descriptions many times so that physorg administrators are aware of the language you choose to use in these phorums.

I would suggest to them to limit the reading of these physorg phorums to children over the age of 18 unless accompanied by a parent.

Jun 11, 2019
It must really piss you off that your stupidity can be so easily demonstrated.
......then why has it been so hard for you to come up with the answer to 2 + 2/2 = ? on your own if you're so smart? The fact that you need to ask Benni for the answer is evidence of your admission that you accede the correct answer to Benni in recognition that he/she is so much smarter than daschneibo.

Jun 11, 2019
It must really piss you off that your stupidity can be so easily demonstrated.
......then why has it been so hard for you to come up with the answer to 2 + 2/2 = ? on your own if you're so smart? The fact that you need to ask Benni for the answer is evidence of your admission that you accede the correct answer to Benni in recognition that he/she is so much smarter than daschneibo.


Nobody is asking you for answers to anything at anytime ever.

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