Researchers discover the source of new chlorofluorocarbon emissions

Scientists discover the source of new CFC emissions
Gosan monitoring station, South Korea, data from which has been used in a new study to infer a rise in emissions of CFC-11 from eastern China. Credit: Korean Meteorological Administration

Since 2013, annual emissions of a banned chlorofluorocarbon (CFC) have increased by around 7,000 tonnes from eastern China, according to new research published in Nature today [Wednesday 22 May 2019] by an international team of scientists from the UK, South Korea, Japan, USA, Australia and Switzerland.

Last year, it was reported that emissions of one of the most important ozone depleting substances, CFC-11, had increased. This chemical was used primarily as a foaming agent for building insulation, refrigerators and other consumer products. The surprise finding indicated that someone, somewhere was likely producing and emitting thousands of tonnes of CFC-11, despite a global phase-out since 2010 under the Montreal Protocol.

Dr. Matt Rigby, a lead author of the study and Reader in Atmospheric Chemistry in the School of Chemistry at the University of Bristol, explained: "Through global monitoring networks such as the Advanced Global Atmospheric Gases Experiment (AGAGE) and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Global Monitoring Division (NOAA GMD), scientists have been making measurements of chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) in the atmosphere for over 40 years.

"In recent decades, we've primarily seen declining CFC emissions reflected in these measurements, because of the Montreal Protocol. Therefore, it was unexpected when it was reported last year that, starting around 2013, global emissions of one of the most important CFCs suddenly began to grow."

This finding was concerning because CFCs are the main culprits in depletion of the stratospheric ozone layer, which protects us from the sun's ultra-violet radiation. Any increase in emissions of CFCs will delay the time it takes for the ozone layer, and the Antarctic ozone "hole", to recover.

But where were these new emissions coming from? Until now, researchers only had an indication that at least part of the source was located somewhere in eastern Asia.

"Initially our were set up in remote locations, far from potential sources," said Ron Prinn, co-author of the new study, leader of the AGAGE network and professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). "This was because we were interested in collecting air samples that were representative of the background atmosphere, so that we could monitor global changes in concentration and determine their atmospheric lifetimes."

To better pinpoint emissions sources, more recent measurement stations have been located closer to industrialised regions. In this case, the clue to the location of the new CFC-11 emissions came from an AGAGE station in South Korea and an AGAGE-affiliated station run by the National Institute of Environmental Studies (NIES) in Japan.

Scientists discover the source of new CFC emissions
Emissions inferred from atmospheric observations at Gosan and Hateruma monitoring stations show an increase from eastern China between the periods 2008 - 2012 (left) and 2014 - 2017 (right). The emission rise is primarily from Shandong and Hebei and surrounding provinces Credit: University of Bristol

Professor Sunyoung Park from Kyungpook National University in South Korea, a lead author on the new study, who runs the South Korean Gosan measurement station, explained: "Our measurements show 'spikes' in pollution, when air arrives from industrialised areas. For CFC-11, we noticed that the magnitude of these spikes increased after 2012, indicating that emissions must have grown from somewhere in the region."

Similar signals had also been noticed at the NIES station on the Japanese island of Hateruma, close to Taiwan.

To establish which countries were responsible for the growing pollution levels at these stations, an international team of modelling groups at University of Bristol, the UK Met Office, the Swiss Federal Laboratories for Materials Science and Technology (Empa) and MIT ran sophisticated computer simulations that determined the origin of the polluted air samples.

Scientists discover the source of new CFC emissions
Simulated atmospheric transport of CFC-11 to the Gosan and Hateruma monitoring sites using the Met Office NAME model. The colours show areas where emission sources would strongly impact the CFC-11 measurements for one day in December 2014. This model information has been used to infer a rise in emissions from eastern China, starting around 2013 Credit: University of Bristol

"From the Korean and Japanese data, we used our models to show that emissions of CFC-11 from eastern China had increased by around 7,000 tonnes per year after 2012, particularly in or around the provinces of Shandong and Hebei.", said Dr. Luke Western, post-doctoral researcher at the University of Bristol.

"We didn't find evidence of increasing emissions from Japan, the Korean peninsula, or any other country to which our networks are sensitive."

To investigate the possibility that the new emissions from China could be the result of a release to the atmosphere of CFC-11 that was produced before the ban, the team considered a range of possibilities.

Dr. Rigby said: "CFC-11 was used primarily in foam blowing, so we looked at estimates of the amount of CFC-11 that could be locked up in insulating foams in buildings or refrigerators that were made before 2010, but the quantities were far too small to explain the recent rise.

"The most likely explanation is that new production has taken place, at least prior to the end of 2017, which is the period covered in our work."

Whilst the new study has identified a substantial fraction of the global emissions rise, it is possible that smaller increases have also taken place in other countries, or even in other parts of China.

Professor Park explained: "Our measurements are sensitive only to the eastern part of China, western Japan and the Korean peninsula and the remainder of the AGAGE network sees parts of North America, Europe and southern Australia. There are large swathes of the world for which we have very little detailed information on the emissions of ozone depleting substances."

Nevertheless, this study "represents an important and particularly policy-relevant milestone in atmospheric scientists' ability to tell which regions are emitting ozone-depleting substances, greenhouse gases, or other chemicals, and in what quantities," said Professor Ray Weiss, a geochemist at Scripps Institution of Oceanography at the University of California San Diego and study co-author.

Dr. Rigby said: "It is now vital that we find out which industries are responsible for the new emissions. If the emissions are due to the manufacture and use of products such as foams, it is possible that we have only seen part of the total amount of CFC-11 that was produced. The remainder could be locked up in buildings and chillers and will ultimately be released to the atmosphere over the coming decades."

Previous reports by the Environmental Investigation Agency and the New York Times have suggested that Chinese foam manufacturers were using CFC-11 after the global ban. Furthermore, Chinese authorities have recently identified and closed down some illegal production facilities.

Whilst this new study cannot determine which industry or industries are responsible, it provides a clear indication of large increases in emissions of CFC-11 from China in recent years. These increases, likely from new production, account for a substantial fraction of the concurrent global rise.


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More information: Increase in CFC-11 emissions from eastern China based on atmospheric observations, Nature (2019). DOI: 10.1038/s41586-019-1193-4 , https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-019-1193-4
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May 22, 2019
Of course it's China. They don't care about the ozone layer when there is taking over the world to be done.

May 22, 2019
Ozone destroying chemicals is just snake oil, making a lot of money for a few con artists! The Ozone Hole is just as big as ever, in spite of the fact that those chemicals have been mostly eliminated for 30 years but what else can you expect of snake oil?

May 22, 2019
Everyone expected it was China, they are rapidly industrializing and with a large population there will be more corners cut.

China. They don't care about the ozone layer when there is taking over the world to be done.


Of course they care, they are pretty good at environment compared to earlier superpowers like US and Russia. But they are growing fast, and their authoritarian system is not as flexible as democracies.

May 22, 2019
I can definitely agree with that, any semblance of environmentalism was naught during much of the 20th century.

Apparently the deniers have made their way from anti-vaxxing to chlorofluorocarbons being environmentally inert. What's next? Cigarettes don't cause cancer?

May 23, 2019
Its OK, China has an implied pass due to all world bodies unwilling to hold China to any environmental standards. Look to the US or Europe wrongdoing. Just don't look at China.

May 23, 2019
Its OK, China has an implied pass due to all world bodies unwilling to hold China to any environmental standards. Look to the US or Europe wrongdoing. Just don't look at China.


Bigoted horse sht!

May 23, 2019
Ozone destroying chemicals is just snake oil, making a lot of money for a few con artists! The Ozone Hole is just as big as ever, in spite of the fact that those chemicals have been mostly eliminated for 30 years but what else can you expect of snake oil?


@Rodkeh is there anything you do not have some jackass conspiracy theory about? Asking for a friend.

May 23, 2019
Ozone destroying chemicals is just snake oil, making a lot of money for a few con artists! The Ozone Hole is just as big as ever, in spite of the fact that those chemicals have been mostly eliminated for 30 years but what else can you expect of snake oil?


@Rodkeh is there anything you do not have some jackass conspiracy theory about? Asking for a friend.


Asking for a friend?

"Is there any real science out there?", that is the question.

May 23, 2019
Ozone destroying chemicals is just snake oil, making a lot of money for a few con artists! The Ozone Hole is just as big as ever, in spite of the fact that those chemicals have been mostly eliminated for 30 years but what else can you expect of snake oil?


@Rodkeh is there anything you do not have some jackass conspiracy theory about? Asking for a friend.

It's not theory, it is fact and I said so at the time and guess what? It is still true today 30+ years later...

May 23, 2019
@rodkeh.
Ozone destroying chemicals is just snake oil, making a lot of money for a few con artists! The Ozone Hole is just as big as ever, in spite of the fact that those chemicals have been mostly eliminated for 30 years but what else can you expect of snake oil?
Your bias and/or ignorance of the facts is showing, mate. Tone it down a notch before someone starts to suspect you are one of Putin's "weaponised stupids" trolling for his agenda of disruption/sabotage of reasoned thought and discourse. Good luck.

May 23, 2019
@rodkeh.Your bias and/or ignorance of the facts is showing, mate. Tone it down a notch before someone starts to suspect you are one of Putin's "weaponised stupids" trolling for his agenda of disruption/sabotage of reasoned thought and discourse. Good luck.


The facts are the facts Sunshine. Those clowns you think are scientists are nothing more than con artists but you would have to have an education to be able to tell, so no wonder you have no clue!


May 23, 2019
@rodkeh.
@rodkeh.Your bias and/or ignorance of the facts is showing, mate....
The facts are the facts Sunshine. Those clowns you think are scientists are nothing more than con artists but you would have to have an education to be able to tell, so no wonder you have no clue!
For your info, the Ozone Hole problem is greater for the southern hemisphere/polar region; and hence Australia where I live has been one of the most affected by the Ozone Hole magnitude in the past. And our science people were the most serious researchers thereof, not influenced by the sort of bias/stupidity which you are displaying for all to see now. After concerted efforts to replace Chlorofluorocarbons in refrigerators, the hole began to shrink; but has started growing again due to Chinese/others non-compliant with those efforts. Hence the urgent need to get China et al off Chlorofluorocarbon refrigerants etc. Also, some replacement chemicals still affect Ozone Layer to some degree.

May 23, 2019
@rodkeh always posts on any thread that says China does anything wrong.

Draw your own conclusions.

May 23, 2019
@rodkeh.
For your info, the Ozone Hole problem is greater for the southern hemisphere/polar region; and hence Australia where I live has been one of the most affected by the Ozone Hole magnitude in the past. And our science people were the most serious researchers thereof, not influenced by the sort of bias/stupidity which you are displaying for all to see now.


Do you know why the Ozone Hole is greatest in the Southern Hemisphere? It has noting to do with CFCs. Just as the fact that at the same time the Southern Hole was shrinking, another was opening in the North and atmospheric refrigerants were already greatly reduced.

The Ozone Hole is a direct response to global warming and CFCs are completely innocent but the Ozone frauds have been living the high life off their scam and millions have suffered and died because of the Ozone Hole fear mongers.

May 24, 2019
@rodkeh.
Do you know why the Ozone Hole is greatest in the Southern Hemisphere? It has noting to do with CFCs. Just as the fact that at the same time the Southern Hole was shrinking, another was opening in the North and atmospheric refrigerants were already greatly reduced.The Ozone Hole is a direct response to global warming and CFCs are completely innocent but the Ozone frauds have been living the high life off their scam and millions have suffered and died because of the Ozone Hole fear mongers.
You're obviously lying and ignorant of the cause/chemistry involved, mate. The evidence was there all along that CFC's were the main/worst culprit CATALYSING the Ozone-destroying reaction which would otherwise occur at a much slower (ie, natural) rate without such catalysis by CFC's. Your patently trolling/misinformation posts now are clearly the work of a Russian/Chinese/GOP troll-factory stooge who has no respect for facts or for the humanity which gave birth to him. Bad.

May 24, 2019
You're obviously lying and ignorant of the cause/chemistry involved, mate.


I'l match my Physics and Chemistry against yours any day of the week.
Uneducated zealots spouting a lot of internet disinformation are such a joke....

May 24, 2019
@rodkeh.
You're obviously lying and ignorant of the cause/chemistry involved, mate.


I'l match my Physics and Chemistry against yours any day of the week.
Uneducated zealots spouting a lot of internet disinformation are such a joke....
What 'brave' fighting words...from an obvious and ignorant mercenary troll-factory stooge who didn't even know that CFCs' longer-lasting stability/persistence and hence prolonged catalytic effect destroys Ozone more rapidly/ for longer compared to the much slower/transient natural factors. Mate, if you are so ignorant and mercenary that you disrespect the truth, science and your fellow humanity like this, then you have nothing but bad things to offer the world. Not good.

May 24, 2019
Mate, if you are so ignorant and mercenary that you disrespect the truth, science and your fellow humanity like this, then you have nothing but bad things to offer the world. Not good.


What is really not good is, uneducated ignorant fools endangering the health and prosperity of future generations because they lack the education to know when they are being lied to. As a result they want to outlaw the very thing that could save their future. How stupid is that?

Get an education!

May 25, 2019
@rodkeh.
What is really not good is, uneducated ignorant fools endangering the health and prosperity of future generations because they lack the education to know when they are being lied to. As a result they want to outlaw the very thing that could save their future. How stupid is that? Get an education!
Take your on advice, matey! You're an ignorant mercenary troll saying things that you are too dumb and greedy to realise betray your own shortcomings and Russian/GOP/China /Fossil lobby lies. You didn't specify what exactly you are referring to; nor addressed the chemistry/causes for Ozone Layer destructive catalysis. You are one of the "weaponised stupids" which dictators/criminal 'businessmen use to sow discord/confusion for political/mercenary 'profit' regardless of the cost to you/your family/descendants. How did you get to this level of disgrace to the humanity that evolved you? Were you trained since birth by a criminal family or are you self-made troll? Bad.

May 25, 2019
@rodkeh.
What is really not good is, uneducated ignorant fools endangering the health and prosperity of future generations because they lack the education to know when they are being lied to. As a result they want to outlaw the very thing that could save their future. How stupid is that? Get an education!
Take your on advice, matey! You're an ignorant mercenary troll saying things that you are too dumb and greedy to realise betray your own shortcomings and Russian/GOP/China /Fossil lobby lies. You didn't specify what exactly you are referring to; nor addressed the chemistry/causes for Ozone Layer destructive you/your family/descendants. How did you get to this level of disgrace to the humanity that evolved you? Were you trained since birth by a criminal family or are you self-made troll? Bad.


Talk about stupid....

May 25, 2019
@rodkeh.
Take your own advice, matey! You're an ignorant mercenary troll saying things that you are too dumb and greedy to realise betray your own shortcomings and Russian/GOP/China /Fossil lobby lies. You didn't specify what exactly you are referring to; nor addressed the chemistry/causes for Ozone Layer destructive you/your family/descendants. How did you get to this level of disgrace to the humanity that evolved you? Were you trained since birth by a criminal family or are you self-made troll? Bad.
Talk about stupid....
You can talk stupid all you like, mate, but it won't make your posts look/sound any less the trolling of the "weaponised stupid" you patently are if your biased/ignorant 'troll-factory spiels' to date are any guide. Pity.

May 26, 2019
@rodkeh.
Take your own advice, matey! You're an ignorant mercenary troll saying things that you are too dumb and greedy to realise betray your own shortcomings and Russian/GOP/China /Fossil lobby lies. You didn't specify what exactly you are referring to; nor addressed the chemistry/causes for Ozone Layer destructive you/your family/descendants. How did you get to this level of disgrace to the humanity that evolved you? Were you trained since birth by a criminal family or are you self-made troll? Bad.
Talk about stupid....
You can talk stupid all you like, mate, but it won't make your posts look/sound any less the trolling of the "weaponised stupid" you patently are if your biased/ignorant 'troll-factory spiels' to date are any guide. Pity.


You do like to babble on... Talk about stupid!

May 26, 2019
@rodkeh.
Take your own advice, matey! You're an ignorant mercenary troll saying things that you are too dumb and greedy to realise betray your own shortcomings and Russian/GOP/China /Fossil lobby lies. You didn't specify what exactly you are referring to; nor addressed the chemistry/causes for Ozone Layer destructive you/your family/descendants. How did you get to this level of disgrace to the humanity that evolved you? Were you trained since birth by a criminal family or are you self-made troll? Bad.
Talk about stupid....
You can talk stupid all you like, mate, but it won't make your posts look/sound any less the trolling of the "weaponised stupid" you patently are if your biased/ignorant 'troll-factory spiels' to date are any guide. Pity.
You do like to babble on... Talk about stupid!
Yep, talking about you: "weaponised stupid" troll-factory stooge ignorant of the real facts re those issues you were 'programmed and paid' to post about. Stupidly bad.

May 26, 2019
Yep, talking about you: "weaponised stupid" troll-factory stooge ignorant of the real facts re those issues you were 'programmed and paid' to post about. Stupidly bad.


Since you are so threatened by the truth, let me elucidate;
The Ozone Hole is the direct result of the increased thermal expansion of the atmosphere, which is the direct result of global warming. But back at the time of the Montreal Protocol, when I was warning of this and other things, those so-called scientific geniuses, were all certain, the scientific consensus was, that there was no such thing as global warming, so they had to invent some new snake oil, so they could fleece the gullible masses and viola,... cfc's.

They were wrong then and they are just as ignorant today.

May 26, 2019
@rodkeh.
Yep, talking about you: "weaponised stupid" troll-factory stooge ignorant of the real facts re those issues you were 'programmed and paid' to post about. Stupidly bad.
Since you are so threatened by the truth, let me elucidate; The Ozone Hole is the direct result of the increased thermal expansion of the atmosphere, which is the direct result of global warming. But back at the time of the Montreal Protocol, when I was warning of this and other things, those so-called scientific geniuses, were all certain, the scientific consensus was, that there was no such thing as global warming, so they had to invent some new snake oil, so they could fleece the gullible masses and viola,... cfc's. They were wrong then and they are just as ignorant today.
You are ignorant of and/or denying proven (by experiments) main non-natural cause of Ozone Layer depletion via catalysis action by extremely stable long-lasting CFCs. You're obviously a lying "weaponised stupid' indeed.

May 26, 2019
You're obviously a lying "weaponised stupid' indeed.


You're obviously an American...

May 27, 2019
Rodkeh if you understand chemistry and physics why don't you believe in the chemistry behind the ozone hole depletion? It is a known fact that ozone and cl-ions react under uv-light thus cfcs reduce the amount of ozone. Are you denying the chemistry totally or are just saying that something else happens the same time but no on else but you knows this?

May 27, 2019
Rodkeh if you understand chemistry and physics why don't you believe in the chemistry behind the ozone hole depletion? It is a known fact that ozone and cl-ions react under uv-light thus cfcs reduce the amount of ozone. Are you denying the chemistry totally or are just saying that something else happens the same time but no on else but you knows this?


The Chemistry is fine but just because someone can force a reaction in an ideal laboratory condition, doesn't mean it happens spontaneously in large amounts in the natural world. It doesn't. Those frauds calling themselves scientists are just snake oil peddlers scamming the public. They wouldn't admit to Global Warming back then so that was ruled out but I could see it and it is climate change that caused the Ozone Hole not cfc's.

May 27, 2019
@rodkeh.
You're obviously a lying "weaponised stupid' indeed.
You're obviously an American...
You're wrong about that as well, rodkeh; I'm Australian.
...just because someone can force a reaction in an ideal laboratory condition, doesn't mean it happens spontaneously in large amounts in the natural world. .... They wouldn't admit to Global Warming back then so that was ruled out but I could see it and it is climate change that caused the Ozone Hole not cfc's.
If you knew anything about the chemistry involved you wouldn't be saying that. No "forced reactions" needed; nor "ideal conditions". It's the conditions which occur in the atmosphere, with CFCs acting as as catalyst as observed under those conditions. And I'm a longtime observer of AGW-related phenomena/consequences, and long acknowledged AGW. BUT the OZONE LAYER was way too high in atmosphere to be affected so drastically by AGW back then; so it can't be main depletion cause then, or now. Ok mate? :)

May 27, 2019
And I'm a longtime observer of AGW-related phenomena/consequences, and long acknowledged AGW. BUT the OZONE LAYER was way too high in atmosphere to be affected so drastically by AGW back then; so it can't be main depletion cause then, or now. Ok mate? :)


If You knew Anything about Chemistry.....

Please try NOT to MISUNDERSTAND me, AGW is a fraud and I said nothing about AGW, I said Global Warming, which has nothing whatsoever to human activity any more than cfc's have anything to do with the Ozone Hole. They are just junk science and the contemporary version of snake oil and there is plenty of it out there like the LHC for instance. But the uneducated, Unwashed Masses like yourself have no clue, you just stand agog in wonder, of a lot of theatrical, special effects. Simple-minded idiots!


May 27, 2019
@rodkeh.
And I'm a longtime observer of AGW-related phenomena/consequences, and long acknowledged AGW. BUT the OZONE LAYER was way too high in atmosphere to be affected so drastically by AGW back then; so it can't be main depletion cause then, or now. Ok mate? :)


If You knew Anything about Chemistry.....

Please try NOT to MISUNDERSTAND me, AGW is a fraud and I said nothing about AGW, I said Global Warming, which has nothing whatsoever to human activity any more than cfc's have anything to do with the Ozone Hole. They are just junk science and the contemporary version of snake oil and there is plenty of it out there like the LHC for instance. But the uneducated, Unwashed Masses like yourself have no clue, you just stand agog in wonder, of a lot of theatrical, special effects. Simple-minded idiots!

Ok, mate; no need for any more denialist 'spiels' from your troll-factory employers. You are a disgrace to science, and to the humanity that produced you. Sad.

May 27, 2019
Ok, mate; no need for any more denialist 'spiels' from your troll-factory employers. You are a disgrace to science, and to the humanity that produced you. Sad.


You really are a joke...

May 28, 2019
@rodkeh.
Ok, mate; no need for any more denialist 'spiels' from your troll-factory employers. You are a disgrace to science, and to the humanity that produced you. Sad.
You really are a joke...
And you are not a joke at all, @rodkeh; since your malignant ignorance, combined with your troll-factory social media/science forums "weaponised stupidity" posts, is a disgrace to truth, science and the humanity that produced you. Sad.

May 28, 2019
@rodkeh.
Ok, mate; no need for any more denialist 'spiels' from your troll-factory employers. You are a disgrace to science, and to the humanity that produced you. Sad.
You really are a joke...
And you are not a joke at all, @rodkeh; since your malignant ignorance, combined with your troll-factory social media/science forums "weaponised stupidity" posts, is a disgrace to truth, science and the humanity that produced you. Sad.


As I said, cfc's have nothing to do with the Ozone Hole, it is global warming that caused the problem and it is only the ignorant and uneducated like you that would buy the cfc BS!

May 28, 2019
@rodkeh.
As I said, cfc's have nothing to do with the Ozone Hole, it is global warming that caused the problem and it is only the ignorant and uneducated like you that would buy the cfc BS!
No, mate. It's the sun's RADIATION (that DIRECTLY 'excites' a CFC molecule's CHLORINE atoms) that does the damage; because the 'excited' CFC molecule can stay aloft in cold air and thus SERIALLY catalyse the breakdown of MANY Ozone molecule...and this happens most efficiently at COLDER temps, not warmer! Which is why the Ozone Hole over the ANTARCTIC is usually larger than that over the ARCTIC...because the upper atmosphere over the arctic is COLDER and its CFC content more efficient. Study more re the intermediate/substrate structures/reactions etc involved in the relevant complex atmospheric chemistry, mate. Good luck.

May 28, 2019
@rodkeh, do you really think it's that hard or expensive to design and build an experiment where there's a stratospheric-like concentration of ozone, then inject CFCs into it, and after a little while check how much ozone remains?

And do you think it hasn't been done many times, being inexpensive and not difficult?

And do you think you can keep shilling for China and not get caught?

And if China's so environmentally cool and stuff, why are they building all these coal plants?

May 29, 2019
Which is why the Ozone Hole over the ANTARCTIC is usually larger than that over the ARCTIC...because the upper atmosphere over the arctic is COLDER and its CFC content more efficient. Study more re the intermediate/substrate structures/reactions etc involved in the relevant complex atmospheric chemistry, mate. Good luck.


Your paranoid fear is palpable. If you got an education in sciences, that means, Math, Physics and Chemistry, not that anti-science they call Climate Science, you might understand that it is all just snake oil designed to separate the gullible from their money. Then you would know that you have nothing to fear from cfc's or Global Warming!

In stead of living in fear, get an education! And Google doesn't count unless all you want is disinformation and more to worry about.

May 29, 2019
@rodkeh, do you really think it's that hard or expensive to design and build an experiment where there's a stratospheric-like concentration of ozone, then inject CFCs into it, and after a little while check how much ozone remains?

And do you think it hasn't been done many times, being inexpensive and not difficult?

And do you think you can keep shilling for China and not get caught?

And if China's so environmentally cool and stuff, why are they building all these coal plants?


Just as stupid as usual! So, anything you can do in a lab always happens in nature and in vast amounts.

You really are an idiot!

May 29, 2019
So now you have a conspiracy theory about scientific lab experiments.

This was predictable. You'll deny anything for China.

May 29, 2019
Oh, and noticed you pretend to be all hot about global warming but it seems your Chinese masters are making coal plants and you're making FUD about it. Make up your mind, troll.

May 29, 2019
Oh, and noticed you pretend to be all hot about global warming but it seems your Chinese masters are making coal plants and you're making FUD about it. Make up your mind, troll.


Your Chinese slur is so feeble! You really are an idiot.

But let me put it into perspective for you. Back in the 80s when the Montreal Protocol was signed, I was trying to show people that Global Warming was the cause, not cfc's. Since then , all of my predictions have been bang on whereas those crocked frauds with their cfc's have never made an accurate prediction!

May 29, 2019
@rodkeh.
Which is why the Ozone Hole over the ANTARCTIC is usually larger than that over the ARCTIC...because the upper atmosphere over the arctic is COLDER and its CFC content more efficient. Study more re the intermediate/substrate structures/reactions etc involved in the relevant complex atmospheric chemistry, mate. Good luck.
Your paranoid fear is palpable. If you got an education in sciences, that means, Math, Physics and Chemistry, not that anti-science they call Climate Science, you might understand that it is all just snake oil designed to separate the gullible from their money. Then you would know that you have nothing to fear from cfc's or Global Warming!...
It's you being 'paranoid'; imagining 'conspiracies' mate. I follow/test the science/reality; not 'just believe' in ignorant/paranoid self-delusions like yours. And it's obvious you've no scientific argument to refute the relevant physics/chemistry I pointed out for your further edification. Bad, @rodkeh.

May 29, 2019
It's you being 'paranoid'; imagining 'conspiracies' mate. I follow/test the science/reality; not 'just believe' in ignorant/paranoid self-delusions like yours. And it's obvious you've no scientific argument to refute the relevant physics/chemistry I pointed out for your further edification. Bad, @rodkeh.


Your lack of education is astounding! You have no education in Physics or Chemistry and you wouldn't know a legitimate argument if it slapped you up the face!

I have nothing to fear because I know the and understand the science and I know cfc's are irrelevant, you on the other hand, don't know anything!. I have the education you could only dream of.

May 30, 2019
@rodkeh.
I have nothing to fear because I know the and understand the science and I know cfc's are irrelevant, you on the other hand, don't know anything!. I have the education you could only dream of.
CONSIDER: You, @rodkeh, assert it is warming air at the altitude of the Ozone Layer that is destroying the Ozone, and not the CFCs catalysing that destruction...HOWEVER...IF your assertion was correct, then there would be NO Ozone Pollution possible at ground level!...because the air is MUCH WARMER down here than at the altitude of the Ozone Layer...and hence the Ozone Molecule would be destroyed almost immediately it is produced, instead of lasting for weeks!

That makes your 'logic' a non-sequitur; and your "dream" chemistry/physics "understanding" a self-deluding boast.

Now, @rodkeh, try to get a real chemistry/physics knowledge and understanding in science/logics (it's never too late); and stop being a disgrace to yourself and the family who produced and raised you.

May 30, 2019
); and stop being a disgrace to yourself and the family who produced and raised you.


You're an American idiot with no clue about science so give it a rest...

May 31, 2019
@rodkeh
CONSIDER: You, @rodkeh, assert it is warming air at the altitude of the Ozone Layer that is destroying the Ozone, and not the CFCs catalysing that destruction...HOWEVER...IF your assertion was correct, then there would be NO Ozone Pollution possible at ground level!...because the air is MUCH WARMER down here than at the altitude of the Ozone Layer...and hence the Ozone Molecule would be destroyed almost immediately it is produced, instead of lasting for weeks! That makes your 'logic' a non-sequitur; and your "dream" chemistry/physics "understanding" a self-deluding boast. Now, @rodkeh, try to get a real chemistry/physics knowledge and understanding in science/logics (it's never too late); and stop being a disgrace to yourself and the family who produced and raised you.
You're an American idiot with no clue about science so give it a rest...
You can't even get that straight, mate! Once more: I am an AUSTRALIAN; who (just above) busted your boasts/claims. :)

May 31, 2019
Once more: I am an AUSTRALIAN; who (just above) busted your boasts/claims. :)


Well then, You are living proof that Americans are not the only ones lacking an education in science!

May 31, 2019
@rodkeh.
Once more: I am an AUSTRALIAN; who (just above) busted your boasts/claims. :)

Well then, You are living proof that Americans are not the only ones lacking an education in science!
That's a pretty weak 'comeback', mate. You left out that I just blew your boasts and claims out of the water with my point that the Ozone Pollution at ground level would not be possible IF your claim that 'warmer air' was responsible for destroying the Ozone Layer in the stratosphere. Which proves you are stupid/dishonest 'conspiracy' loser used by Russian 'troll factory' as a 'weaponised stupids' stooge for social media disinformation/politicisation of issues for political purposes not science. Just ask Trump...he just admitted that the Russian social media troll-factory operators and their 'weaponised stupids' helped sway the vote to get him elected. You're patently a mercenary stupid ignorant malignant disgrace to the family/society that produced you, @rodkeh. Sad.

May 31, 2019
You're patently a mercenary stupid ignorant malignant disgrace to the family/society that produced you, @rodkeh. Sad.


My predictions all come true, theirs all prove false!
QED

BTW your Russian slurs are so feeble, I have to conclude that you are just another American pretending to be Australian.

May 31, 2019
@rodkeh.
You're patently a mercenary stupid ignorant malignant disgrace to the family/society that produced you, @rodkeh. Sad.


My predictions all come true, theirs all prove false!
QED

BTW your Russian slurs are so feeble, I have to conclude that you are just another American pretending to be Australian.
Give it up, mate. Your feeble protestations, self-delusional boasts and trolls are futile now. Your boasts/claims were well and truly busted by me already above. Do the right thing by your psyche and the family that produced you, @rodkeh: admit your errors, apologise, and try harder in future not to be an internet loser troll like you've been to date. Good luck. :)

May 31, 2019
Give it up, mate. Your feeble protestations, self-delusional boasts and trolls are futile now. Your boasts/claims were well and truly busted by me already above. Do the right thing by your psyche and the family that produced you, @rodkeh: admit your errors, apologise, and try harder in future not to be an internet loser troll like you've been to date. Good luck. :)


Your lack of education is blatant and the facts are the facts, my predictions have all come true and yours have always failed. You are an idiot!

May 31, 2019
@rodkeh.
Give it up, mate. Your feeble protestations, self-delusional boasts and trolls are futile now. Your boasts/claims were well and truly busted by me already above. Do the right thing by your psyche and the family that produced you, @rodkeh: admit your errors, apologise, and try harder in future not to be an internet loser troll like you've been to date. Good luck. :)
Your lack of education is blatant and the facts are the facts, my predictions have all come true and yours have always failed. You are an idiot!
Now now, mate. You're starting to sound like a petulant child trying to convince himself he is 'not' a lying, self-deluded twit. I just busted all your boasts and claims re the Ozone Layer issue; so your continued denials and boasts are now just coming across as pitiful, trying, denial 'noises' coming from a spoilt child or a programmed Russian troll-factory stooge/bot. Try harder to escape your programming/spoiling, you poor 'unfortunate', @rodkeh.

May 31, 2019
Russian troll-factory stooge/bot. Try harder to escape your programming/spoiling, you poor 'unfortunate', @rodkeh.


The other Numbnuts accuses me of being Chinese and you accuse me of being Russian, you idiots are so feeble.

You poor thing living in fear because you're too stupid to get an education...

Ozone Hole has nothing whatsoever to do with cfc's, it is Global Warming that is the cause, I was right 40 years ago and I'm still right!

May 31, 2019
@rodkeh.
Russian troll-factory stooge/bot. Try harder to escape your programming/spoiling, you poor 'unfortunate', @rodkeh.
The other Numbnuts accuses me of being Chinese and you accuse me of being Russian, you idiots are so feeble.
The Russian troll-factory was proven/exposed some years back. Since then the Chinese (and other bad actors for money/political gain) have instituted 'troll-factories' of their own. You're one of many such trolls now; all poor beings too stupid and/or too greedy to realise you're a disgrace to both humanity and science. Bad.
You poor thing living in fear because you're too stupid to get an education...Ozone Hole has nothing whatsoever to do with cfc's, it is Global Warming that is the cause, I was right 40 years ago and I'm still right!
You're the one lacking rele education/knowledge, mate. I proved it earlier; by refuting your claim that Ozone Layer depletion is caused by warming air. You're boast is self-deluded, @rodkeh. Sad.

Jun 01, 2019
You're the one lacking rele education/knowledge, mate. I proved it earlier; by refuting your claim that Ozone Layer depletion is caused by warming air. You're boast is self-deluded, @rodkeh. Sad.

All you'v proven is you're a Google graduate which means you know less than nothing.
Your theory was proven wrong the first time it was tested in the real world but that was way before your time!
You'r just an uneducated idiot!

Jun 01, 2019
You're the one lacking rele education/knowledge, mate. I proved it earlier; by refuting your claim that Ozone Layer depletion is caused by warming air. You're boast is self-deluded, @rodkeh. Sad.

All you'v proven is you're a Google graduate which means you know less than nothing.
Your theory was proven wrong the first time it was tested in the real world but that was way before your time!
You'r just an uneducated idiot!


By the way, did I mention, in the real world, my predictions always come true but cfc theory always fails?

Jun 01, 2019
@rodkeh.
You're the one lacking rele education/knowledge, mate. I proved it earlier; by refuting your claim that Ozone Layer depletion is caused by warming air. You're boast is self-deluded, @rodkeh. Sad.
All you'v proven is you're a Google graduate which means you know less than nothing. Your theory was proven wrong the first time it was tested in the real world but that was way before your time! You'r just an uneducated idiot! By the way, did I mention, in the real world, my predictions always come true but cfc theory always fails?
@rodkeh, mate, were proven wrong when I pointed out that ground level air where, Ozone POLLUTION persists for WEEKS, is A LOT WARMER than stratospheric air where Ozone Layer is.

Get it, @rodkeh? YOU claimed that it was warming air that destroyed stratospheric Ozone Layer...but even blind Freddy can see that Ozone Pollution at ground level lasts for weeks!

So your claims/predictions are falsified, @rodkeh. Q.E.D.

Give it up, mate. :)

Jun 01, 2019
By the way, did I mention, in the real world, my predictions always come true but cfc theory always fails?
@rodkeh, mate, were proven wrong when I pointed out that ground level air where, Ozone POLLUTION persists for WEEKS, is A LOT WARMER than stratospheric air where Ozone Layer is.

Get it, @rodkeh? YOU claimed that it was warming air that destroyed stratospheric Ozone Layer...but even blind Freddy can see that Ozone Pollution at ground level lasts for weeks!

So your claims/predictions are falsified, @rodkeh. Q.E.D.

Give it up, mate. :)

You really are illiterate! I said nothing about warmer air, I said Global Warming, but the distinction will be wasted on an idiot like you!

Jun 01, 2019
@rodkeh.
By the way, did I mention, in the real world, my predictions always come true but cfc theory always fails?
@rodkeh, mate, you were proven wrong when I pointed out that ground level air where, Ozone POLLUTION persists for WEEKS, is A LOT WARMER than stratospheric air where Ozone Layer is.

Get it, @rodkeh? YOU claimed that it was warming air that destroyed stratospheric Ozone Layer...but even blind Freddy can see that Ozone Pollution at ground level lasts for weeks!

So your claims/predictions are falsified, @rodkeh. Q.E.D.

Give it up, mate. :)
You really are illiterate! I said nothing about warmer air, I said Global Warming, but the distinction will be wasted on an idiot like you!
You claiming "global warming is responsible for Ozone Layer deletion" doesn't actually say anything about HOW that global warming can destroy Ozone molecules in Upper Stratosphere. So, can you now explain precisely what mechanism is involved in your hypothesis? Thanks. :)

Jun 01, 2019
You claiming "global warming is responsible for Ozone Layer deletion" doesn't actually say anything about HOW that global warming can destroy Ozone molecules in Upper Stratosphere. So, can you now explain precisely what mechanism is involved in your hypothesis? Thanks. :)

You seem to be quite happy jumping to your idiotic conclusions. Are you saying that you'r actually willing to try to understand something neither you nor they have ever imagined or considered?

I doubt it!!!

Jun 01, 2019
@rodkeh.
You claiming "global warming is responsible for Ozone Layer deletion" doesn't actually say anything about HOW that global warming can destroy Ozone molecules in Upper Stratosphere. So, can you now explain precisely what mechanism is involved in your hypothesis? Thanks. :)

You seem to be quite happy jumping to your idiotic conclusions. Are you saying that you'r actually willing to try to understand something neither you nor they have ever imagined or considered?

I doubt it!!!
You teaser! :)

Come on now mate, give. Else your claims/boasts are all for naught.

So, precisely HOW does global warming destroy Ozone molecules in upper stratosphere?

Now stop being coy and do tell.

Feel free to be as technical as you like; since I have been au fait with the relevant chemistry/physics since the earliest days when the issue arose (I'm nearly 70 yrs old now). :)

Jun 01, 2019
So, precisely HOW does global warming destroy Ozone molecules in upper stratosphere?

Now stop being coy and do tell.

Feel free to be as technical as you like; since I have been au fait with the relevant chemistry/physics since the earliest days when the issue arose (I'm nearly 70 yrs old now). :)


Well I am 70 and I have been around since the beginning!

Alright, I'l give you the benefit. Maybe you'r not an idiot, just lacking the facts!

Do you remember back in the beginning, that Global Warming was not an accepted theory back then?


Jun 01, 2019
@rodkeh.
So, precisely HOW does global warming destroy Ozone molecules in upper stratosphere?......Feel free to be as technical as you like; since I have been au fait with the relevant chemistry/physics since the earliest days when the issue arose (I'm nearly 70 yrs old now). :)
Well I am 70 and I have been around since the beginning! Alright, I'l give you the benefit. Maybe you'r not an idiot, just lacking the facts! Do you remember back in the beginning, that Global Warming was not an accepted theory back then?
Thanks. :)

Actually, until a couple of decades ago, when US Republicans/Fossil Lobby started a misinformation/confusion campaign employing bought/crooked 'scientists' (much like Big Tobacco did, remember?), there was NO doubt at all re increased CO2 greenhouse gases causing the global warming being observed DECADES EARLIER by objective scientists (including some from Exxon Oil Co!... that was before THEY 'got the memo' to LIE/DENY later on). :)

Jun 02, 2019
Actually, until a couple of decades ago, when US Republicans/Fossil Lobby started a misinformation/confusion campaign employing bought/crooked 'scientists' (much like Big Tobacco did, remember?), there was NO doubt at all re increased CO2 greenhouse gases causing the global warming being observed DECADES EARLIER by objective scientists (including some from Exxon Oil Co!... that was before THEY 'got the memo' to LIE/DENY later on). :)


You obviously have no clue about Chemistry and Physics, you're just a waste of time!
But I'l not waste any more.

Jun 02, 2019
@rodkeh.
Actually, until a couple of decades ago, when US Republicans/Fossil Lobby started a misinformation/confusion campaign employing bought/crooked 'scientists' (much like Big Tobacco did, remember?), there was NO doubt at all re increased CO2 greenhouse gases causing the global warming being observed DECADES EARLIER by objective scientists (including some from Exxon Oil Co!... that was before THEY 'got the memo' to LIE/DENY later on).
You obviously have no clue about Chemistry and Physics, you're just a waste of time.
Why get all nasty again, mate? I only responded to your starting assertion/premise that GW theory was not accepted back then. So I merely pointed out the historical timeline/politics of what was actually the case re that GW theory back then and since; all of which only refutes your starting assertion/premise that GW theory per se was not accepted. That's all.

You haven't actually started on your chemistry/physics 'arguments' as such. Please do. :)

Jun 03, 2019
You haven't actually started on your chemistry/physics 'arguments' as such. Please do. :)


You have a head full of Google type, internet disinformation, I have neither the patience nor the longevity to re-educate you. Let me put it this way, when I was in highschool in Canada 55 years ago, I got straight "A"'s, in Math, Physics and Chemistry, in grades 11 and 12. Those were the requirements for admission to the Aeronautics and Aero Space program at Guelph University. You did not! Neither of us has the life expectancy for that.

Jun 03, 2019
@rodkeh.

No, mate. I'm nearly 70yrs old. I LIVED THROUGH those decades we're discussing the history of; LONG BEFORE Google and/or Wikipedia existed!

So your 'belief' re my source of knowledge is based on a non-sequitur self-delusion on your part. :)
...when I was in highschool in Canada 55 years ago, I got straight "A"'s, in Math, Physics and Chemistry, in grades 11 and 12. Those were the requirements for admission to the Aeronautics and Aero Space program at Guelph University.
It's not 'marks' that matter; it's deep comprehension of this subject matter's chemistry/physics/history that matters. If you can't get the CFCs and CO2/AGW theory history/facts straight, then obviously your old school marks were very poor indicators of future (now present) levels of proper objective comprehension of the reality.

Even very bright people can be self-deluded; you wouldn't be the first.

ps: You (still) have yet to actually present your chemistry/physics 'arguments' as such. :)

Jun 03, 2019
ps: You (still) have yet to actually present your chemistry/physics 'arguments' as such. :)


And you are too ignorant to be able to listen and stop jumping to conclusions but it doesn't matter, as I said. I haven't the life expectancy to be able to teach you anything!
Good luck!

Jun 03, 2019
It never ceases to amaze me, that uneducated people think they don't need an education. As if they can just divine everything through osmosis I guess. Their hubris is quite incomprehensible!

Jun 03, 2019
@rodkeh.
You (still) have yet to actually present your chemistry/physics 'arguments' as such. :)
And you are too ignorant to be able to listen and stop jumping to conclusions but it doesn't matter, as I said. I haven't the life expectancy to be able to teach you anything!
Good luck!

It never ceases to amaze me, that uneducated people think they don't need an education. As if they can just divine everything through osmosis I guess. Their hubris is quite incomprehensible!
Now you're just making excuses for not putting your money where your mouth is re your much-vaunted 'explanation' of the chemistry/physics behind Ozone Layer destruction. If you are as insecure in your claims as you now patently demonstrate, then why make them in the first place...let alone boast about 'superior education/knowledge' when you are now using every excuse in the book in order to avoid putting to the test by posting your 'chemistry/physics based arguments' here for me to check out? :)

Jun 03, 2019
@rodkeh.
. If you are as insecure in your claims as you now patently demonstrate, then why make them in the first place...let alone boast about 'superior education/knowledge' when you are now using every excuse in the book in order to avoid putting to the test by posting your 'chemistry/physics based arguments' here for me to check out? :)


What ever....

Jun 03, 2019
@rodkeh.
If you are as insecure in your claims as you now patently demonstrate, then why make them in the first place...let alone boast about 'superior education/knowledge' when you are now using every excuse in the book in order to avoid putting to the test by posting your 'chemistry/physics based arguments' here for me to check out? :)
What ever....
So, are you just another internet troll or are you going to produce chemistry/physics based arguments to explain/identify the 'real' cause/mechanism (according to you) of Ozone Layer depletion? Your next post will demonstrate your bona fides (or otherwise) re your claims. If you do not produce your scientific 'arguments' against CFCs being one of the main causes of Ozone Layer depletion, then you will have admitted before the whole forum that you have been wrong and conceded thereby. Make your next post a good one, mate. :)

Jun 03, 2019
@rodkeh.
If you are as insecure in your claims as you now patently demonstrate, then why make them in the first place...let alone boast about 'superior education/knowledge' when you are now using every excuse in the book in order to avoid putting to the test by posting your 'chemistry/physics based arguments' here for me to check out? :)
What ever....
So, are you just another internet troll or are you going to produce chemistry/physics based arguments to explain/identify the 'real' cause/mechanism (according to you) of Ozone Layer depletion? Your next post will demonstrate your bona fides (or otherwise) re your claims. If you do not produce your scientific 'arguments' against CFCs being one of the main causes of Ozone Layer depletion, then you will have admitted before the whole forum that you have been wrong and conceded thereby. Make your next post a good one, mate. :)


No argument ...

Jun 05, 2019
@rodkeh.
If you are as insecure in your claims as you now patently demonstrate, then why make them in the first place...let alone boast about 'superior education/knowledge' when you are now using every excuse in the book in order to avoid putting to the test by posting your 'chemistry/physics based arguments' here for me to check out? :)
What ever....
So, are you just another internet troll or are you going to produce chemistry/physics based arguments to explain/identify the 'real' cause/mechanism (according to you) of Ozone Layer depletion? Your next post will demonstrate your bona fides (or otherwise) re your claims. If you do not produce your scientific 'arguments' against CFCs being one of the main causes of Ozone Layer depletion, then you will have admitted before the whole forum that you have been wrong and conceded thereby. Make your next post a good one, mate. :)
No argument...
Thanks for tacitly conceding your claim was incorrect, @rodkeh. :)

Jun 05, 2019
Thanks for tacitly conceding your claim was incorrect, @rodkeh. :)


What ever lets you sleep at night...

Jun 05, 2019
@rodkeh.
Thanks for tacitly conceding your claim was incorrect, @rodkeh. :)

What ever lets you sleep at night...
It's not about me, mate. It's about you being wrong and not having the relevant chemistry/physics knowledge/understanding to support your (now shown to be obviously mistaken) claims with scientific 'counter-arguments' against the known reality that industrially produced CFCs and similarly-acting/catalysing chemicals are the main causes Ozone Layer depletion. Time to look to your own 'personal problems' before projecting your failings onto others, @rodkeh. Do/Be better; for your own sake if not for the sake of science and humanity. Good luck. :)

Jun 05, 2019
@rodkeh.
Thanks for tacitly conceding your claim was incorrect, @rodkeh. :)

What ever lets you sleep at night...
It's not about me, mate. It's about you being wrong and not having the relevant chemistry/physics knowledge/understanding to support your (now shown to be obviously mistaken) claims with scientific 'counter-arguments' against the known reality that industrially produced CFCs and similarly-acting/catalysing chemicals are the main causes Ozone Layer depletion. Time to look to your own 'personal problems' before projecting your failings onto others, @rodkeh. Do/Be better; for your own sake if not for the sake of science and humanity. Good luck. :)


What ever...

Jun 05, 2019
@rodkeh.
@rodkeh.
Thanks for tacitly conceding your claim was incorrect, @rodkeh. :)

What ever lets you sleep at night...
It's not about me, mate. It's about you being wrong and not having the relevant chemistry/physics knowledge/understanding to support your (now shown to be obviously mistaken) claims with scientific 'counter-arguments' against the known reality that industrially produced CFCs and similarly-acting/catalysing chemicals are the main causes Ozone Layer depletion. Time to look to your own 'personal problems' before projecting your failings onto others, @rodkeh. Do/Be better; for your own sake if not for the sake of science and humanity. Good luck. :)


What ever...
That just about encapsulates the attitude you have towards science/reality, mate. Good luck. :)

Jun 05, 2019
What ever... That just about encapsulates the attitude you have towards science/reality, mate. Good luck. :)


You are such a legend in your own mind.
Please, think what ever you please, there is no point in arguing with an idiot!

Jun 06, 2019
@rodkeh.
What ever... That just about encapsulates the attitude you have towards science/reality, mate. Good luck. :)
You are such a legend in your own mind.
Again, it's not about me, mate. It's about you, @rodkeh, not providing any chemistry physics arguments in support of your assertions.
Please, think what ever you please, there is no point in arguing with an idiot!
But you're NOT arguing with anything/anybody; you made assertions without any scientific basis whatsoever; and you keep trying to make it about me (or anything else immaterial) in order to AVOID having to actually offer up any chemistry/physics arguments that support your assertions. I already corrected your knowledge/understanding re the relevant chemistry/history of the items you raised. Now the onus is on you to counter (if you can) with the necessary chemistry/physics arguments that you think pertinent and supportive to your claims so far. Please feel free to do so at any time, mate. Thanks. :)

Jun 06, 2019
ke it about me (or anything else immaterial) in order to AVOID having to actually offer up any chemistry/physics arguments that support your assertions. I already corrected your knowledge/understanding re the relevant chemistry/history of the items you raised. Now the onus is on you to counter (if you can) with the necessary chemistry/physics arguments that you think pertinent and supportive to your claims so far. Please feel free to do so at any time, mate. Thanks. :)


what ever...

Jun 07, 2019
@rodkeh.
make it about me (or anything else immaterial) in order to AVOID having to actually offer up any chemistry/physics arguments that support your assertions. I already corrected your knowledge/understanding re the relevant chemistry/history of the items you raised. Now the onus is on you to counter (if you can) with the necessary chemistry/physics arguments that you think pertinent and supportive to your claims so far. Please feel free to do so at any time, mate. Thanks. :)
what ever...
Again you tacitly confirm your earlier tacit admissions that you have nothing but unfounded assertions and juvenile "whatevers" to offer the science and humanity discourse. Be/Do better than this in future, mate; for your own sake if not for the sake of the greater good. Good luck. :)

Jun 07, 2019
Be/Do better than this in future, mate; for your own sake if not for the sake of the greater good. Good luck. :)


just like talking to a fence post...

Jun 08, 2019
@rodkeh.
Be/Do better than this in future, mate; for your own sake if not for the sake of the greater good. Good luck. :)
just like talking to a fence post...
Oh dear, have I talking to a fence post all this time I've been responding to your posts, mate? That explains why no cogent supporting chemistry/physics arguments were forthcoming from your end, @rodkeh. Oh well, for a fence post, you're doing great to be able to post anything at all on the net, albeit not much more than social-media-bot-level drivel. Pity. :)

Jun 08, 2019
@rodkeh.
Be/Do better than this in future, mate; for your own sake if not for the sake of the greater good. Good luck. :)
just like talking to a fence post...
Oh dear, have I talking to a fence post all this time I've been responding to your posts, mate? That explains why no cogent supporting chemistry/physics arguments were forthcoming from your end, @rodkeh. Oh well, for a fence post, you're doing great to be able to post anything at all on the net, albeit not much more than social-media-bot-level drivel. Pity. :)


You are such a joke....

Jun 08, 2019
@rodkeh.
Be/Do better than this in future, mate; for your own sake if not for the sake of the greater good. Good luck. :)
just like talking to a fence post..
Oh dear, have I been talking to a fence post all this time I've been responding to your posts, mate? That explains why no cogent supporting chemistry/physics arguments were forthcoming from your end, @rodkeh. Oh well, for a fence post, you're doing great to be able to post anything at all on the net, albeit not much more than social-media-bot-level drivel. Pity. :)
You are such a joke...
The joke's on you, @rodkeh; your 'programmer' has gone AWOL, and has apparently left you on 'repeat-drivel-and-evasions-mode'. Come now, why waste valuable time making juvenile evasive posts, mate; when you should be using that time to post actual chemistry/physics arguments which you assert (allegedly) support your claims dismissing CFCs as the main contributor to man-caused depletion of Ozone Layer? Post it now. :)

Jun 08, 2019
Come now, why waste valuable time making juvenile evasive posts, mate; when you should be using that time to post actual chemistry/physics arguments which you assert (allegedly) support your claims dismissing CFCs as the main contributor to man-caused depletion of Ozone Layer? Post it now. :)


You admitted you lack the education....
You are a joke.

Jun 08, 2019
@rodkeh.
Come now, why waste valuable time making juvenile evasive posts, mate; when you should be using that time to post actual chemistry/physics arguments which you assert (allegedly) support your claims dismissing CFCs as the main contributor to man-caused depletion of Ozone Layer? Post it now. :)


You admitted you lack the education....
You are a joke.
No, mate. It was you asserted that as an obvious 'excuse' for not coughing up the necessary chemistry/physics arguments which you claim support your dismissal of CFCs as the main cause of man-caused depletion of Ozone Later. How long are you going to make transparent juvenile attempts to evade your responsibility in this matter, @rodkeh? Now stop being a joke and cough up, mate. :)

Jun 09, 2019
You admitted you lack the education....
You are a joke.
No, mate. It was you asserted that as an obvious 'excuse' for not coughing up the necessary chemistry/physics arguments which you claim support your dismissal of CFCs as the main cause of man-caused depletion of Ozone Later. How long are you going to make transparent juvenile attempts to evade your responsibility in this matter, @rodkeh? Now stop being a joke and cough up, mate. :)

Why? You are such an idiot!....

Jun 09, 2019
@rodkeh.
You admitted you lack the education....
You are a joke.
No, mate. It was you asserted that as an obvious 'excuse' for not coughing up the necessary chemistry/physics arguments which you claim support your dismissal of CFCs as the main cause of man-caused depletion of Ozone Later. How long are you going to make transparent juvenile attempts to evade your responsibility in this matter, @rodkeh? Now stop being a joke and cough up, mate. :)
Why? You are such an idiot!....
Why do you not post the relevant chemistry/physics based arguments that (you claim) support your so-far-unsupported assertion that CFCs are not the main cause of man-caused depletion of the Ozone Layer? Is it because you are the real "idiot" in this silly saga from your end, @rodkeh? Sure looks like it. Please try to do/be better and more honest with yourself and others on the net, mate. Good luck. :)

Jun 09, 2019
Why do you not post the relevant chemistry/physics based arguments that (you claim) support your so-far-unsupported assertion that CFCs are not the main cause of man-caused depletion of the Ozone Layer? Is it because you are the real "idiot" in this silly saga from your end, @rodkeh? Sure looks like it. Please try to do/be better and more honest with yourself and others on the net, mate. Good luck. :)


Why would I post anything if there is no one who can understand it? Idiots like you think you don't need an education but I have already given you everything you need, if, you have the education to understand it. If you don't understand it then I can't give the required education.

You are just another uneducated idiot that thinks he doesn't need an education. You are such a joke!

Jun 09, 2019
@rodkeh.
Why do you not post the relevant chemistry/physics based arguments that (you claim) support your so-far-unsupported assertion that CFCs are not the main cause of man-caused depletion of the Ozone Layer? Is it because you are the real "idiot" in this silly saga from your end, @rodkeh? Sure looks like it. Please try to do/be better and more honest with yourself and others on the net, mate. Good luck. :)
Why would I post anything if there is no one who can understand it? Idiots like you think you don't need an education but I have already given you everything you need, if, you have the education to understand it. If you don't understand it then I can't give the required education...
Mate, you're fooling no-one but yourself with that 'line'. My posting history since 2005 on science forums demonstrates my wide ranging chemistry/physics/science education/knowledge in all fields. Whereas you keep asserting but not yet demonstrating any such at any level. Give. :)

Jun 10, 2019
Mate, you're fooling no-one but yourself with that 'line'. My posting history since 2005 on science forums demonstrates my wide ranging chemistry/physics/science education/knowledge in all fields. Whereas you keep asserting but not yet demonstrating any such at any level. Give. :)


It's all right there in front of you...

Jun 10, 2019
@rodkeh.
Mate, you're fooling no-one but yourself with that 'line'. My posting history since 2005 on science forums demonstrates my wide ranging chemistry/physics/science education/knowledge in all fields. Whereas you keep asserting but not yet demonstrating any such at any level. Give. :)
It's all right there in front of you...
What is? All you have put "right there in front" of the forum here is the following unsupported bald assertion that:
The Ozone Hole is the direct result of the increased thermal expansion of the atmosphere, which is the direct result of global warming.
No attempt at all on your part to post the relevant chemistry/physics based arguments/facts to give support to your otherwise bald assertion as quoted. Really, @rodkeh, you come across as a troll-factory "weaponised stupid" stooge pretending to science knowledge/understanding you are patently unable to demonstrate. Hence your assertion is being filed under 'troll crap from @rodkeh'. :)

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