Study finds simple explanation for endurance of religion

January 17, 2019, University of Otago
Credit: CC0 Public Domain

Childcare can be expensive, stressful, and annoying to organise, but a University of Otago-led study has found it may also be behind religion's resilience.

Scholars have predicted the demise of religion for a long time, but it is not disappearing as quickly as anticipated.

Following the collaborative study, lead author Dr. John Shaver, of Otago's Religion Programme, believes a contributing factor is that religious people are able to have larger families because they get more help looking after their than secular people.

"While religion has been declining in New Zealand for decades, our findings point to a countervailing trend, one that is driven by the co-operative breeding dynamics of religious communities.

"Co-operative help to mothers is one of the reasons for our success as a species. In modern environments mothers receive far less help than in our recent past. Less help drives down fertility levels in modern environments. However, religious mothers have more help, and more children than secular mothers," he says.

For the study, just published in journal Evolution and Human Behaviour, researchers analysed data from 12,980 people enrolled in the New Zealand Attitudes and Values Study (NZAVS).

Dr. Shaver says the NZAVS, which is led by Professor Chris Sibley, of the University of Auckland, enabled the researchers to access data from a large national sample, whose population is roughly half religious and half secular.

"We found that religious people have more children, and that non-reproductive (those who don't currently have their own children) religious people tend to look after children who are not their own more frequently than non-reproductive secular people.

"Our findings point to why religion is not disappearing as quickly as many have predicted – religious people are able to have more children because they get more help with childcare than secular people.

"We hope that our research draws attention to the impact of a person's religious behaviour on core biological and sociological processes."

Co-author Professor Joseph Bulbulia, of Auckland, says the group's findings are consistent with evidence that generally enjoy greater within-group co-operation, compared to secular groups. It is also the first study to find that co-operation extends to childcare.

"Though we think co-operative parenting explains only part of the puzzle of religious fertility, our result is an important first step for explaining a phenomenon that is vital for predicting the societies of the future," he says.

Another interesting finding from the study, Dr. Shaver says, is that, relative to New Zealanders of European descent, Māori and Pacific Islanders have more children, and people of Asian descent have fewer. Māori and Pacific Islanders also look after children who are not their own more frequently, while Asians engage in lower levels of co-operative childcare.

"Again, at a nationwide scale, this suggests that high fertility and co-operative parenting are broadly co-ordinated. Across all , though, the effect of on fertility and co-operative parenting holds," he says.

This is the first of many studies the researchers have planned. In particular they are interested in exploring the extent to which co-operative contributes to child well-being.

Explore further: Religious New Zealanders most tolerant of Muslims

More information: John H. Shaver et al. Alloparenting and religious fertility: A test of the religious alloparenting hypothesis, Evolution and Human Behavior (2019). DOI: 10.1016/j.evolhumbehav.2019.01.004

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TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (8) Jan 17, 2019
"religious people are able to have larger families because they get more help looking after their children..."

A countervailing explanation...

Today's religions have survived to the present expressly BECAUSE they require women to produce more babies than they would normally choose to have. They proclaim that children are the greatest gift to god and that the more you have, the happier he is. And they all promise that this god will provide for however many babies you can bear as long as you stay true unto him and follow his every edict.

One of his edicts is that when he fails to provide, you must take what you need from the heathens, infidels, and goyim around you who clearly deserve what they have far less than you do.

This is the process of outgrowing and overwhelming which has systematically selected for religions which are better than their now extinct forebears at forcing women to bear children until it kills them.

A most insidious form of group selection.
dirk_bruere
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 17, 2019
Religion fosters cooperation more than non-belief. Simples.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (6) Jan 17, 2019
"Charity begins in the home"

The need for charity certainly begins in religionist homes that are producing more children than they can support. 'Give no thought for the morrow, god will provide' say their books. Religious charities are invariably intended to support believers and bribe potential converts.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (8) Jan 17, 2019
Religion fosters cooperation more than non-belief. Simples
Religion is a most caustic form of tribalism. As such it encourages internal cooperation and cohesion while discouraging it with other religions and unbelievers (the godless). They cannot avoid doing evil and therefore cannot be trusted.
betterexists
Jan 17, 2019
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betterexists
1 / 5 (1) Jan 17, 2019
This is the first of many studies the researchers have planned. In particular they are interested in exploring the extent to which co-operative childcare contributes to child well-being. What About POTUS ?
julianpenrod
2.5 / 5 (11) Jan 17, 2019
They've offered all sorts of "explanations" for the rise and appeal of religion. Now, another one.
No consideration of the fact that maybe man does sense things beyond what "science" claims, that no inanimate machine can sense what man senses, and that's why acceptance of the presence of God persists.
Interesting, though, the fact that "science" is promoting people no longer accepting the presence of God as desirable, yet, here, they admit that people with purely secular stands are less charitable and considerate.
In actuality, could it not be that it's not a secular attitude that makes one not be caring, but, rather, that those who cannot muster up caring for their fellow human being are the kind who would embrace the necessarily way? That the secular sentiment is what the cold and ungiving adopted to avoid accepting the presence of God?
sparcboy
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 17, 2019
Humans are an interesting species. It seems many purport to have the intellect to conclude there is no god, yet lack the rational to understand that many of our species at this point in our evolution still lack the emotional fortitude to live day to day knowing our existence is meaningless. If there is no god then in the very end the universe will continue to expand and burn out, or it will start contracting into a black hole-like singularity and everything will be crushed to oblivion. In the end, nothing will exist. And at that point all the human suffering that has ever occurred for any reason will be meaningless. As meaningless as the life of Adolph Hitler and Mother Theresa. And as meaningless as this and every other comment here. Mature atheist understand. Yet there are many that can't seem to understand that some of our species still lack the emotional fortitude to live with knowing that all their efforts are utter futility and our existence is devoid of any meaning.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.9 / 5 (7) Jan 17, 2019
they admit that people with purely secular stands are less charitable and considerate
Except that the largest charities are secular ones julian. Once again the internet exposes religionist lies.

"Islamic scholarship, historically, has taught that only Muslims can be recipients of zakat."

"4 Give to religious people, but don't help sinners. 5 Do good to humble people, but don't give anything to those who are not devout. Don't give them food, or they will use your kindness against you. Every good thing you do for such people will bring you twice as much trouble in return." Sirach12
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.9 / 5 (7) Jan 17, 2019
That the secular sentiment is what the cold and ungiving adopted to avoid accepting the presence of God?
-The holy spindoctor opines. The book says unbelievers cant be good so who needs evidence? Evidence says that secularists are more generous than religionists who only give to unbelievers for show.

After all jesus could have healed every leper on the planet but only cured the ones in the path of he and his adoring throngs. Why waste a good miracle?
kl31415
4.6 / 5 (11) Jan 17, 2019

In actuality, could it not be that it's not a secular attitude that makes one not be caring, but, rather, that those who cannot muster up caring for their fellow human being are the kind who would embrace the necessarily way? That the secular sentiment is what the cold and ungiving adopted to avoid accepting the presence of God?


Wait, wait...

Are you actually saying that theists are embracing their fellow human being ???

Do you live in a hole somewhere in the rural area of the US ???

Can you name an atheist book which calls upon killing, raping, butchering, enslaving anyone who doesn't fit in with the books understanding of the world ?

Can you tell me how many hate crimes atheists committed in the last few years around the globe ?
How about you Google a bit and find out how many women, LGBT and atheists got seriously hurt, if not killed by your dear fellow-man embracing theists ?

Should I do it for you ?
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.3 / 5 (6) Jan 17, 2019
Should I do it for you ?
Granted its very hard to tell but I think sparcboy is the rare nihilist. He seems to be saying that few have the courage to face a meaningless existence. I could be wrong. Maybe hes being sarcastic I dunno.
kl31415
3.9 / 5 (7) Jan 17, 2019
Should I do it for you ?
Granted its very hard to tell but I think sparcboy is the rare nihilist. He seems to be saying that few have the courage to face a meaningless existence. I could be wrong. Maybe hes being sarcastic I dunno.


I think its nihilism.

I would agree with him, hehe.

The fear of death, mortality and the inevitable realisation of a meaningless existence are the biggest reasons for religion in modern times, but could add male dominance too, I think.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
1.7 / 5 (6) Jan 18, 2019
says SpookyOtto
"Charity begins in the home"
- Well, why not? The parent or parents are teaching their own values to their children anyway, so why not teach to be charitable also - providing that one can afford to be charitable.
The need for charity certainly begins in religionist homes that are producing more children than they can support.
- which is a general assumption as to the economic realities of each and every religious family. Not all religious couples are able to conceive a family, you know. And those who do are able to use the "rhythm method" if they so choose.
'Give no thought for the morrow, god will provide' say their books.
- God provides to those who provide for themselves by giving them the ABILITY to provide for themselves.
Religious charities are invariably intended to support believers and bribe potential converts.

- not necessarily. Many believers are able to support theirselves. Potential converts don't need a bribe.

Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.1 / 5 (7) Jan 18, 2019
-contd-
Religious charities also run "soup kitchens" and shelters for the homeless, while depending on charitable donations from those who are able to afford such contributions. There are many religious volunteers who help by providing their free labour/time/money to take care of the sick and indigent and they do this because they are good people who care about others.
Most seculars are good people too, but they are most often self-indulgent so that they don't have the time or motivation to care about the more unfortunate.
If you ever find yourself in such a situation as being homeless and poor, these religious orgs/people will not turn you away (as long as your behaviour isn't violent or gross.
:)
Captain Stumpy
4.3 / 5 (6) Jan 18, 2019
@IQ of an egg
providing that one can afford to be charitable
even the poor can be charitable
God provides to those who provide for themselves by giving them the ABILITY to provide for themselves
nature provides the ability, but you are assigning credit to a deity of questionable existence and no evidence

given your offer of pseudoscientific philo-babble bullsh*t, your argument can be debunked with the following statement:
Those who do not believe in your deity also have the ability to provide for themselves
Many believers are able to support theirselves
because of nature, drive and desire, not deific interference
Potential converts don't need a bribe
then why provide religious advocacy directly in contradiction to your own holy comic and against the specific wishes and comments of your imaginary deity? (see: JER 31)
rderkis
1.7 / 5 (6) Jan 18, 2019
God WILL provide! And I feel terribly sorry for those of you that don't know the light.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.3 / 5 (6) Jan 18, 2019
Pussytard aka pussycat_eyes et al:
And those who do are able to use the "rhythm method" if they so choose
The rhythm method - is that what you use when you have sex in the kitchen 'up against the microwave' as you so fondly related to the community here in one of your previous incarnations?

Microwaves do have that little blinking timer which probably aided you in your infernal activities although I'm trying very hard not to imagine it in my mind-
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.2 / 5 (5) Jan 18, 2019
Many believers are able to support theirselves

because of nature, drive and desire, not deific interference
-But the most devout and committed usually end up living off their neighbors, by hook or by crook

"Kiryas Joel has by far the youngest median age population of any municipality in the United States,[2] and the youngest, at 13.2 years old, of any population center of over 5,000 residents in the United States.[3] Residents of Kiryas Joel, like those of other Haredi Jewish communities, typically have large families, and this has driven rapid population growth.[4]

"According to 2008 census figures, the village has the highest poverty rate in the nation. More than two-thirds of residents live below the federal poverty line and 40% receive food stamps."

-Germans were enthralled with the promise of their own holy land to the east, which Hitler called Lebensraum, for their own excess pops, which they intended to steal in similar fashion.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.3 / 5 (6) Jan 18, 2019
God WILL provide! And I feel terribly sorry for those of you that don't know the light
Indeed and he has provided for the haredi of kiryas Joel the sacred and holy gift of food stamps from albany hallelujah!

Let us prey (on the godless)
torbjorn_b_g_larsson
4.6 / 5 (9) Jan 18, 2019
Dr Shaver is an anthropologist funded by Templeton Foundation asserting on this high paid, high risk project project "HIGH FERTILITY AND CHILD FLOURISHING: THE SUCCESS OF RELIGIONS", and interestingly:

"Studies of diverse human populations demonstrate that parents in modern societies sacrifice number of children for quality of children. Even though children born to large families are expected to suffer physiological, psychological and social obstacles to flourishing, children born into religious communities appear buffered from the detrimental effects of high fertility."

[ https://www.otago...aver.php ; https://www.templ...eligions ].

-tbctd-
torbjorn_b_g_larsson
4.6 / 5 (9) Jan 18, 2019
-ctd-
Templeton boldly asserts that religious groups are growing, but is silent on the greater growth of non-religious in US and now dominantly non-religious Europe. But as for the limited research:

That religiousity, which is correlated with dysfunctional society and poverty - and disdain for contraceptives - is also correlated with higher fertility would be no surprise, nor that more children would enforce more child care. I was not sufficiently interested to see if they had tested the causality in play. Nor is it clear that this would entail "resilience", c.f. the proven such on non.religion. But the abstract makes it clear that Templeton not yet has gotten the result they paid for:

"These are the first findings to reveal that religious cooperation extends to alloparenting; however, whether or not the levels of alloparenting in religious communities are sufficient to mitigate the costs of higher relative fertility remains a critical consideration for future research."
torbjorn_b_g_larsson
4.6 / 5 (10) Jan 18, 2019
Religion fosters cooperation more than non-belief.


That is not what the science said, since it is wrong. Europe and especially Scandinavia is non-religious and has better cooperation than many religious states. Democracy and copperation inducing human rights are non-religious developments. Moreover secular people gives as much or more to charities *outside their own group* (c.f. Scandinavia again).
torbjorn_b_g_larsson
4.6 / 5 (9) Jan 18, 2019
Oy! Lots of religion on display in the thread, as expected instead of a necessary discussion of the problematic science and its religious funding. But FWIW:

the presence of [magic]
many purport to have the intellect to conclude there is no [magic]
[magic] provides
[magic] WILL provide


Notably it no longer takes any intellect to reject magic, it is a fact that anyone can accept. 2017 physicists concluded from LHC theory and cross checks there is no 'ghost'/'soul' and so no 'afterlife'/'rebirth' reward posed by major religions. 2018 we can see from Planck results that the universe as a system is 100 % mechanistic - objects and work done - so no religious magic in fact exist (well, duh). In both cases you need to replace the last century of physics to conclude otherwise.

Most of these claims assume what was never proven and can now be rejected. But already 2006 we knew from intercessory prayer studies that religious magic was not "providing".
torbjorn_b_g_larsson
4.5 / 5 (8) Jan 18, 2019
- ctd-

Religion has joined astrology and homeopathy as known fraud. Again, duh.

If you don't like it, take it up with nature. Better yet, take it up with the fraud leaders.
rderkis
2.6 / 5 (5) Jan 18, 2019
This is all so silly. Only people without wisdom would post a religious article on this website.
Only people without wisdom would belittle other people's beliefs based on nothing but ignorance.
God WILL provide! And I feel terribly sorry for those of you that don't know the light of God.
antigoracle
1 / 5 (2) Jan 18, 2019
Study finds simpleTON explanation for endurance of religion.

There, fixed that headline.
Captain Stumpy
4 / 5 (4) Jan 18, 2019
@herp-a-derpkis
Only people without wisdom would belittle other people's beliefs based on nothing but ignorance
sorry, but I belittle religions based on experience, knowledge, facts, research and history
God WILL provide!
really? I know homeless people who have gone hungry and died but were the most devout of believers - where was he then?
Where is he in poor nations where children regularly starve?

https://strangeno...rus1.jpg

And I feel terribly sorry for those of you that don't know the light of God
and I feel terribly sorry for those of you who have been conned but can't see reality for the desire of attention from your "friends" and delusional sky faerie
TheGhostofOtto1923
4 / 5 (4) Jan 18, 2019
This is all so silly. Only people without wisdom would post a religious article on this website
Uh you're here posting religionist bullshit. Why are you here again dorkus?
Only people without wisdom would belittle other people's beliefs based on nothing but ignorance.
God WILL provide!
And just remember if he ever does fail to come through (which is usually with the same frequency as pure chance or random happenstance), its YOUR fault for not praying hard enough or often enough or with sufficient selfless devotion. And also for not having enough kids. And hes punishing you for it.

Bad doggie.
BobSage
1.8 / 5 (5) Jan 18, 2019
The irony in the "religion is dying" narrative is that materialism is what is actually dying. Quantum physics has killed it. It's walking dead right now, as the narrow minded scientists that cling to their outdated beliefs are overwhelmed by more open-minded sorts. 20 years from now a new paradigm that incorporates consciousness as the basis for all being will have taken over.
Da Schneib
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 18, 2019
The altruism trick illustrated. This trick was documented decades ago.
rderkis
1.7 / 5 (6) Jan 18, 2019
I wonder how many of you realize the consequences on not having religion. If it weren't for my unshakable belief in my creator I would rip your eyes out and piss on you brain, taking everything you have. With a IQ of 160 and absolutely no conscience I could do it. I am guessing but there are probably plenty of others also, that religious beliefs keep in check. Next you will tell me how brave you are while you hide behind your anonymous names.
StudentofSpiritualTeaching
1 / 5 (2) Jan 19, 2019
Quite some interesting extremist stands in this discussion. Here is what I see as the grey zone, where both sides get things somewhat wrong and a little bit right: Our universe is with certainty an overwhelmingly beautiful thing, which gives us the comfort of total logic, consistent application of laws of physics and nature, thus unshaking fairness. We harvest what we sow, every thought, feeling and deed brings back what we deserve. Has our science already discovered the full depth of these laws of nature? Will we find amazing effects when researching and understanding finer and finer matter and energy levels? Count on it, we will learn about the physics that explains how positive thoughts themselves permeate and cause important effects for fellow living beings. And we will learn that the universe we witness and our material stage of life actually serves a purpose, which has nothing to do with religious delusions.
kl31415
4.3 / 5 (6) Jan 19, 2019
...Count on it, we will learn about the physics that explains how positive thoughts themselves permeate and cause important effects for fellow living beings. And we will learn that the universe we witness and our material stage of life actually serves a purpose, which has nothing to do with religious delusions.


@rderkis
@StudentofSpiritualTeaching

What are you nuts actually doing here ?

Aren't there enough crazy sites out there to spread your special understanding of the universe ?

@rderkis If you had an IQ of 160, you would at least know grammar and spelling, you utter waste of stardust...
Captain Stumpy
4 / 5 (4) Jan 19, 2019
@herp-a-derpkis
If it weren't for my unshakable belief in my creator I would rip your eyes out and piss on you brain, taking everything you have
then this is demonstrative of your personal desires and degraded morality - there are a considerable number of atheists that don't have a faith yet never do any of the morally depraved bullsh*t you want to do
With a IQ of 160 and absolutely no conscience I could do it
wrong again, and I can prove that with a simple experiment: try that crap with me

Just because you want to make others believe in your "abilities" doesn't mean you actually have those abilities
Next you will tell me how brave you are while you hide behind your anonymous names
I'm not anonymous - just ask Otto

I'm waitin' - but I suggest you call ahead, otherwise, you'll be prevented by the terrain, fauna and locals
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.7 / 5 (3) Jan 19, 2019
the consequences on not having religion... If it weren't for my unshakable belief in my creator I would rip your eyes out and piss on you brain, taking everything you have. With a IQ of 160 and absolutely no conscience I could do it. I am guessing but there are probably plenty of others also, that religious beliefs keep in check...
My my, xians sure are a vicious lot arent they, especially when you threaten their faith?

The true nature of the religion of the god of love...

They would rip your eyes out and piss on you brain and then forgive you for forcing them to do it. 'Revenge is mine saith the lord' --Another thing he usually leaves up to his minions to do for him.

'Impotence is mine saith the lord'. No providing, no retributing, only absolving the believer of any guilt for all the persecuting and appropriating and of course the bloodshedding. Crucifiction is an act of love you know? Go ahead - try it out on your favorite blasphemer.

You vicious little toad.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.7 / 5 (3) Jan 19, 2019
@rderkis If you had an IQ of 160, you would at least know grammar and spelling, you utter waste of stardust...
Lying, cheating, stealing, any and all sins can be broken in defense of the tribe and its gods.

Funny, I was just watching the new episodes of The Punisher. Frank Castle - now theres a god-fearing man.
rderkis
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 19, 2019
can prove that with a simple experiment: try that crap with me
I'm not anonymous - just ask Otto
I'm waitin' - but I suggest you call ahead, otherwise, you'll be prevented by the terrain, fauna and locals


Oh sure Captain Stumpy is your real name. You are so full of shit. I have been programing since 1977 in assembly and mixed language programing and cracking programs back then. If you think your identity is safe here think again.

And most important you did not understand a word I said. I would not hurt a hair on your head for fear of losing my immortal soul.
zz5555
3.7 / 5 (3) Jan 19, 2019
If it weren't for my unshakable belief in my creator I would rip your eyes out and piss on you brain, taking everything you have.

This is an interesting statement. There are a number of studies that show that atheists are more moral than the religious and rderkis seems to confirm it (anecdotally). The question I have is are immoral people more likely to be religious or does religion just make people more immoral? I suspect the latter. Remember, the (christian) bible makes it clear that morality comes from the society we live in and not from religion. So if religion conflicts with a society's morality, there's bound to be trouble. Maybe it's best if we get rid of religion.

I also doubt rderkis' claim at genius. Violent crime isn't where the money is. If s/he really had the intelligence and skills that s/he claims to have, s/he'd know that non-violent crime is where to be.
Captain Stumpy
3 / 5 (2) Jan 19, 2019
@herp-a-derpkis
Oh sure Captain Stumpy is your real name
idiot!
so much for the IQ of 160, eh?
Captain is my rank, you idiot
You are so full of shit
says the idiot illiterate who is morally bankrupt and literally stated (s)he would " rip your eyes out and piss on you brain, taking everything you have" but manages not to do it because of a fantastic delusional belief in a sky faerie! LMFAO
it's bad enough you claim an IQ of 160 and can't spell, don't know grammar, and can't differentiate between an honorific and a name! LOL
If you think your identity is safe here think again
you talk a lot of sh*t for a lying POS /b/tard
what's next? Ya gonna claim you're Anon too? LFMAO
you did not understand a word I said
no, your apparent lack of an IQ just didn't get the implications of what you claimed

Captain Stumpy
3 / 5 (2) Jan 19, 2019
@zz5555
The question I have is are immoral people more likely to be religious or does religion just make people more immoral? I suspect the latter
offered IMHO - I think it's the former

one thing that most religions do is "forgive" the transgressions of the newly accepted to create a new life, and this is especially so with "modern" xtians

so the immoral are drawn to the religion to receive forgiveness for their immorality, and in the case of the xtian or similar abrahamic religions, the appeal is that no matter the transgression, forgiveness is simply a matter of asking (with some exception - atonement and justice is required on some crimes, though it is often left to the individual to make that move, unless LEO's get there first)
I also doubt rderkis' claim at genius
ditto, especially considering the content of the exchanges between (s)he and others on certain topics
s/he'd know ...where to be
especially if you're good at coding and computers
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.7 / 5 (3) Jan 19, 2019
I'm not anonymous - just ask Otto
I dunno that beard looked fake. And it looked like you only had one finger on your right hand. How can you type I wonder?
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.7 / 5 (3) Jan 19, 2019
most important you did not understand a word I said. I would not hurt a hair on your head for fear of losing my immortal soul
-Then your faith is lacking...

"They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman." (2 Chron15:12-13 NAB)

"Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die." (Lev24:10-16 NLT)

-which explains why us heathens are all still here. Limp willie jesus.

Prey harder.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.7 / 5 (3) Jan 19, 2019
idiot!
so much for the IQ of 160, eh?
Lots of believers are intelligent but gutless. The fantasy of immortality can make even smart people dumb.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.7 / 5 (3) Jan 19, 2019
Just to be clear dorkus

The soul is a lie. There is nothing about you that is not physical. When you die, nothing goes anywhere. You stop. You end.

No matter who you are, how smart you are, how rich you are, what you've done in your life, how hard or how often you've prayed, how devout you've been, how many good deeds you've done... or whoever you've ever cared about... you disappear for good and forever. And so do they.

This crushing reality is the reason why someone invented religion... not to ease our despair but to profit from it. The most evil of all evil entrepreneurs.

Have a good evening.
Captain Stumpy
3 / 5 (2) Jan 19, 2019
I dunno that beard looked fake
it's not a beard, it's unruly, wild and uncontainable nose hair
And it looked like you only had one finger on your right hand. How can you type I wonder?
prehensile genetalia
The fantasy of immortality can make even smart people dumb.
true that. it's a hope that their failures in life can be washed away and they can continue on a superior level to others

Abrahamic heaven - patriarchal totalitarianism with no free will, segregation, slaves and extreme punishment for those in opposition

sound familiar?
LMFAO
rderkis
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 19, 2019
It's pretty funny, if I was giving money away, the way some of you think, you would discourage it. If I said I was a billionaire giving money away, which of you would be telling me not to do it? And telling me how crazy that was. Furthermore, if I was a billionaire and said I would target anyone that personally insulted my personal harmless beliefs, which of you would be dumb enough to attack me. I am guessing a lot of you, because you attack religion even though it is against your own best interests. Now I realize some people in the name of christianity nowadays, do evil things but their numbers are far outweighed by druggies, dealers, traffickers, robbers, muggers etc. If you had a brain in your head, you would be attacking those people and encouraging the christian belief in the hope of converting some of those people, whether you believe in christianity or not.

And just to prove my point some of you will argue against this VERY sound reasoning.
TrollBane
4 / 5 (4) Jan 19, 2019
rderkis:
"I wonder how many of you realize the consequences on not having religion. If it weren't for my unshakable belief in my creator I would rip your eyes out and piss on you brain, taking everything you have. " All that says about you is that you are one sociopathic deviant with no ethical framework and need some ridiculous invisible sky daddy and the fear of eternal punishment to control your craven urges. It's an old debunked talking point that clearly indicates you don't have the IQ of 160 that you claim.
Captain Stumpy
1 / 5 (1) Jan 19, 2019
@herp-a-derpkis
...telling me not to do it?
I would just laugh at you
because you attack religion even though it is against your own best interests
no. I attack religion because it's deleterious to society and harmony, creates a dogmatic fanatic that is prejudiced and is used to control the weak-minded idiots of the world like you
f you had a brain in your head
1- to deal, traffic, rob or mug is a *choice*

2- the initial choice to do drugs is still a choice, however, once it becomes an addiction, it then *can* be compulsory and not always a matter of rational choice, much like a mental illness (not always the case)

3- in either case, rehabilitation is solely dependent upon the individual, regardless of the belief, religion, or anything else that may help said individual rehabilitate
against this VERY sound reasoning.
it's neither sound nor reason
it's your attempted rationalization and justification
zz5555
3.7 / 5 (3) Jan 19, 2019
Your paranoid delusions about anyone caring if you gave your money away are interesting, but:
Now I realize some people in the name of christianity nowadays, do evil things but their numbers are far outweighed by druggies, dealers, traffickers, robbers, muggers etc.

How many of the druggies, etc. are religious? Probably most of them.
If you had a brain in your head, you would be attacking those people and encouraging the christian belief in the hope of converting some of those people, whether you believe in christianity or not.

Wait - less religious nations have less crime and you want more christians - suggesting more crime? That's an interesting, um, thought process of yours. ;) Are you involved in a criminal syndicate that's looking for more criminals to take part?
rderkis
3 / 5 (2) Jan 19, 2019
Your paranoid delusions


Your a stupid idiot without a brain in your head. Sure I believe you and your studies when you say "most druggies are practicing christians" There is somthing the matter with you and I hope they can fix it in the future. You are so sick that you have no idea you are sick. There is no reasoning with your twisted ideas because you are so set in your ways. And yes you believe you are smart no matter what test results and stupid statements come out of your butt hole you call a mouth indicate.
Gosh, I hope I did not make you mad :-)
zz5555
3.7 / 5 (3) Jan 19, 2019
@zz5555
The question I have is are immoral people more likely to be religious or does religion just make people more immoral? I suspect the latter
offered IMHO - I think it's the former

You may be right, but my problem with that is that less religious countries have less crime. If immoral people tend to be attracted to religion that suggests that the more religious a country is, the more immoral the general population. Are we Americans really just crappy people? I like to think that's not true. Certainly we see a lot of really immoral Americans in the news right now and people like rderkis (I'm assuming rderkis is American) support that impression. But I still hope they're in the minority.
rderkis
3 / 5 (2) Jan 19, 2019
I am very immoral but because a person is immoral that that mean that they behave badly.
Immorality is a personal thought trait, not necessarily a behavioral trait. Although I must agree they usually go hand in hand.
A lot of religious people might be religious simply because they are immoral and don't like/want that part of their character and wish to change it or at least not to behave that way.
A example of that might be John Newton, a ruthless immoral slave trader. Who changed his behavior and ended up writing Amazing Grace.
I really doubt ANY of you have reached that immoral guys new reputation and level of character in any way, (you just pay lip service, just like me). The sad part is most of your inability to be objective about yourself.
Da Schneib
1 / 5 (2) Jan 19, 2019
The consequences of not having a religion are that one does not believe a super magic sky daddy told us to be altruistic. And that altruism is a personal moral choice, not something one is constrained to. People who are constrained have to be because they are immoral.

I am a trained provider of first aid. Trained by the Red Cross. If I see a person in distress, I am not forced to help them by a super magic sky daddy; I'll do it because it feels right to me. I certainly won't consider whether they practice some religion or other, nor what color their skin is. I will step up, take command of the situation, and state, "I am a professionally trained first aid provider. I can help. Please move out of the way. First thing, call someone who can help more than I can, immediately."
Captain Stumpy
1 / 5 (1) Jan 19, 2019
@herp-a-derpkis
Immorality is a personal thought trait
then you are immoral. period. demonstrably so
I really doubt ANY of you have reached that immoral guys new reputation and level of character in any way
why would we want to?
Gosh, I hope I did not make you mad
so you're a liar and immoral! Lying is against your holy comic, mind
it's equivalent to murder, per your tome, as it's a commandment

not only a commandment which you demonstrably break regularly here, but there are at least a hundred different entries about lying and telling the truth, making you *literally* hated by your own deity - Proverbs 6:16-19

rderkis
3 / 5 (2) Jan 20, 2019
Look stupid,why are you going on and on about me being amoral, can't you read? I said I was. I unlike you have told at least 1 lie. I unlike you have looked at a woman with lust while I was married. I unlike you have had multiple sexual partners before I was married. The list goes on and on regarding my immorality, while you are the other hand are the only completely moral person YOU know WHO HAS NEVER DONE ANY OF THOSE THINGS.
zz5555
5 / 5 (2) Jan 20, 2019
Gosh, I hope I did not make you mad :-)

Umm, no. But thanks for thinking of me.
Captain Stumpy
1 / 5 (1) Jan 20, 2019
@herp-a-derpkis
WHO HAS NEVER DONE ANY OF THOSE THINGS
winnie the pooh!
,why are you going on and on about me being amoral
because you said
I wonder how many of you realize the consequences on not having religion
now, considering what followed, it is either a statement that:
1- only the religious can be moral/religion = morality
or
2- it's a threat

we know you're immoral by admission, so we can assume it's the latter, regardless

but your argument suggests that religion has the ability to curtail morality is nonsensical, especially in light of your comment
Immorality is a personal thought trait
if your religion can't curb your own thoughts of violence, it's logically not possible to be moral with religion

this is also demonstrated by the jail/prison system, which is full of the religious
can't you read?
just because you're too stupid to communicate clearly doesn't mean we don't understand what is being said

care to try again?
rderkis
3 / 5 (2) Jan 20, 2019
I am sorry Mr. Captain Stumpy, your mind is to crippled with age and entrenched dogma, to talk to you logicly. I am afraid it's back to the ignore list for your long winded ramblings. Any one that can say to me " I am moral and never told a lie" or make a statement like "why would I want to compose a song that will have a life of over 240 years and still be going strong", has no objectivity nor understanding of self.
Now I know you are to dumb to understand what the ignore list is so I am sure in your stupidity you will answer me and show everyone here how dumb you are.
Da Schneib
1 / 5 (2) Jan 20, 2019
So, @rderkis, if you saw a Muslim or a black man in front of you lying on the sidewalk bleeding, would you render first aid?

That's really the question here if you are bringing up morality.
rderkis
3 / 5 (2) Jan 20, 2019
I would give my life for him in a heartbeat, And I say that as a man that has faced death many times and know the consequences. Plus having been in enough life threatening situations I know just how I would react. No morality here just instinct as in fight, flee or freeze experience.
StudentofSpiritualTeaching
3 / 5 (2) Jan 20, 2019
Rderkis, Da Schreib: so you are both intuitively realizing that in the long run positive, moral, ethical, altruistic, loving thoughts, feelings and deeds create added-value. That everyone's existence as life form with the ability to consciously determine the course of action has something to do with this value-add creation. You are getting closer to fully understanding the purpose of life, keep searching further, this is the right track. Better than wasting time with insulting each other.
Steelwolf
5 / 5 (1) Jan 20, 2019
I think that overall religion, as an 'Establishment' is actually a replacement for the small village community.

The older people, who could no longer do either the hunting, gathering or later tending crops or herds would teach the children and allow their more fit parents, the children of the older folks, to do the heavier labor, and they would teach the kids, and be taken care of into older age, as a community.

I feel that religion is the Early 'Pay Per View' show, and payment was in the participating, the making of fine clothing, artworks and special foods for festivals celebrating Nature as Community included Nature in all aspects until we tried to Dominate over Nature and Domesticate everything we can, exploit what we cannot.

Now that we no longer live in the Villages, no longer have the small, tight-knit community groups that depend on each other for their whole lives we turn to the Pay-Per-View version at whichever denomination of your religion you take as remedy.
rderkis
3 / 5 (2) Jan 20, 2019
Rderkis, Da Schreib: so you are both intuitively realizing that in the long run positive, moral, ethical, altruistic, loving thoughts, feelings and deeds create added-value. That everyone's existence as life form with the ability to consciously determine the course of action has something to do with this value-add creation. You are getting closer to fully understanding the purpose of life, keep searching further, this is the right track. Better than wasting time with insulting each other.


What you are expressing sounds good and you mean well but you speak without understanding. The moral values you speak of a very base instincts not some higher values. The characteristics of courage, loylty, honesty etc. are base instincts of a pack carnivore animal. My dog displays all these in abundance. They are necessary for a strong pack. While you won't agree, only religion raises us above the animals.
Da Schneib
1 / 5 (2) Jan 20, 2019
@rderkis, yet there you were a couple weeks back insisting that black people are stupid.

You'll pardon me if I'm a bit skeptical.
Da Schneib
1 / 5 (2) Jan 20, 2019
Regarding what makes us different from animals, it's pretty simple: the abilities to think abstractly, and to introspect.
StudentofSpiritualTeaching
3.7 / 5 (3) Jan 20, 2019
Plants follows impulses, animals follow their instincts. They are almost all the time close to 100% calibrated with what is naturally right to do for them, for progressing on their development curve. Aberrations occur but those creatures can't sustain and undergo elimination. We human beings have the specialty of conscious consciousness, which gives us the freedom to make good or stupid choices. Our responsibilities are therefore higher, we need to care for ourselves and also ensure that lower life forms and the planet as a whole are not hampered and harmed by our actions. The Spiritual Teaching claims that while there is no superior personality (thus interferer/manipulator) of any kind, there is a positive (call it loving) energy that enlivens everything and all. It does not lead a separate existence, as everything in the universe is interconnected. You and me learning and progressing in the current life translates thus to progress of the universe as a whole – the purpose of life.
rderkis
3 / 5 (2) Jan 20, 2019
@rderkis, yet there you were a couple weeks back insisting that black people are stupid.

You'll pardon me if I'm a bit skeptical.

Please show me where I made that statement anywhere on the net or in my correspondence and not just in this limited comment section.
Besides it's hard to give a IQ rest to a dying man while saving his life :-)
Plus there is a 1 in 32,125 chance he is smarter than me. We are born with our IQ so it is nothing to take pride in. Only achievements deserve pride.,
Da Schneib
1 / 5 (2) Jan 20, 2019
You were agreeing with Watson. https://phys.org/...dna.html

I absolutely HATE people who state FACTS instead of what is politically correct..
What "facts?" I see statements by Watson unsupported by realistic science or any papers in the scholarly literature.
Da Schneib
1 / 5 (2) Jan 20, 2019
Now, that said, your attitude, provided it's what you actually believe, is commendable. But I still have some serious doubts based on your past expressed opinions here.
rderkis
3 / 5 (2) Jan 20, 2019
Regarding what makes us different from animals, it's pretty simple: the abilities to think abstractly, and to introspect.


Many Animals Can Think Abstractly
Several species can think conceptually about the things they see.
Check it out with a google search for studies and carefully check the sources. I would post links here but not possible.

abilities to think abstractly = Self-aware.
Once again -- Apes, monkeys, elephants, and dolphins have been studied most frequently. The most relevant studies to this day that represent self-awareness in animals have been done on chimpanzees, dolphins, and magpies.

You can look all you want but the only thing thus far found that separates us from the animals is religion. Studies show 80% of us believe in religion, there is reason for that.
rderkis
3 / 5 (2) Jan 20, 2019
You were agreeing with Watson. https://phys.org/...dna.html

I absolutely HATE people who state FACTS instead of what is politically correct..
What "facts?" I see statements by Watson unsupported by realistic science or any papers in the scholarly literature.


Look, the man has a nobel prize. He studied a study and came to a conclusion. Right or wrong he should have a right to express the facts he thinks are relevant. I personally am white and the same types of studies show asians are more intelligent on average than whites. So what? Am I not enough of a man I can accept that study after examining it?

Besides this whole conversation will be mute in a very few years when enhanced intelligence is achieved thru gene editing, stem cells, or even nootropic drugs. 10X or even a 100X boost will be achieved shortly for EVERYONE.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (2) Jan 20, 2019
if I was a billionaire and said I would target anyone that personally insulted my personal harmless beliefs, which of you would be dumb enough to attack me
Well there it is, right in your face, and you dont even see it. Jesus says that it's not enough just to believe. He bribes you to accept the lie that unbelievers cant be good.

And his book tells you that it's not enough just to be a bigot. You've got to avoid, shun, persecute, oust, and attack unbelievers. All religions do.

And THATS NOT HARMLESS.

You cannot separate the rewards you are promised from the price you are expected to pay in return. Satan could not make you a better offer.

"18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son." Jon3

-The more important rider to the john 3:16 clause. See further agreements and addenda for instructions on dealing with evildoers. They're a poison yes?
Da Schneib
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 20, 2019
You've confused abstract thinking with introspection. Introspection is at the heart of self-awareness. Abstract thinking has been demonstrated in great apes, which are hominins we are closely related to. None of them approach our ability to reason, nor even come anywhere close to it.

Introspection is the ability to observe and comment on our own thoughts; it is an outgrowth of abstract thought, but is qualitatively different from it. No one has shown this ability in any animal, nor has anyone shown anything like our complexity of abstract thought in any animal.

The reasons for religion are social, not genetic. Kids get infected with religion by parents who punish them for not believing in it.

I am a lifelong atheist, the son and grandson of atheists. I tried religion once when I was a teenager; my parents stood aside and watched, but refused consistently to comment until after I'd decided it was a load of BS, and even then not for a while. They didn't want to prejudice me.
Da Schneib
1 / 5 (2) Jan 20, 2019
Look, the man has a nobel prize. He studied a study and came to a conclusion.
I am not aware of his having mentioned any papers or sources for his assertions. I googled around a while and couldn't find any. Maybe you can find some. Until then this is his personal opinion supported by no facts he could point to, and it's a pretty disgusting one, too.

Right or wrong he should have a right to express the facts he thinks are relevant.
Sure, if he had any.

I personally am white and the same types of studies show asians are more intelligent on average than whites. So what? Am I not enough of a man I can accept that study after examining it?
What study? You don't seem to have any more facts at hand than Watson.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (1) Jan 20, 2019
Da Schneib
1 / 5 (2) Jan 20, 2019
Besides this whole conversation will be mute in a very few years when enhanced intelligence is achieved thru gene editing, stem cells, or even nootropic drugs. 10X or even a 100X boost will be achieved shortly for EVERYONE.
It's "moot," but your point got across.

If that's true, then it will be nice, but I have little doubt that there will be religiously-based feelings against it. And significant economic barriers making it difficult or impossible for most people to get whatever it is. Do you think powerful people are stupid enough to evolve humans who are genetically superior to themselves, particularly in terms of intelligence? And that's assuming that in fact we can identify genetic factors that are applicable to this.
Da Schneib
1 / 5 (2) Jan 20, 2019
This is open access: https://www.natur.../449948a

I agree with most of the views expressed there.
StudentofSpiritualTeaching
3 / 5 (2) Jan 20, 2019
Otto, while it is fair to aggressively attack the content of nowadays religious books, as they are full of falsehoods and lies, that mislead and thus handicap the believers, it is not fair to say that the important historic persons Jesus (proper name Jmmanuel) and Mohammed would actually have said and taught some of the rubbish that is unfortunately attributed to them and resulted after their deaths in religious cults. If e.g. curious what Jmmanuel really did and taught, here a better source for it: https://shop.figu...guage=en No commercial interest from my side, I would not mind sending a copy for free to anyone asking me politely.
Captain Stumpy
3 / 5 (2) Jan 20, 2019
@herp-a-derpkis
the man has a nobel prize
irrelevant
He studied a study and came to a conclusion
no, sorry
he started with the conclusion and tried to support it with his study - and still epically failed

there is absolutely zero scientific evidence supporting his claims
none whatsoever

lastly, my Brothers, daughter, some of my friends and one of my mentors all prove his statement is wrong with multiple degrees and a family history of intelligence
and the same types of studies show asians are more intelligent on average than whites
wrong again
they show that some Asiatic cultures provide more emphasis on certain types of education

so here's a quick question: in all of his "studies", did he ensure the effect he thought he saw was due to genetics over culture, ideology, or other nurture effects?

.

epic fail on all counts
so much for your IQ
LFMAO
rderkis
3 / 5 (2) Jan 20, 2019
It sure seems to me the different races of the human species have different physical traits.
The negro is black
The caucasian is white
The asia has on average a smaller body size than the negro or caucasian.
Negro has on average kinker hair than white.
Even the blood is different between races.
The black man gets sickle cell anemia more often then caucasians.
The caucasian race gets malaria easier than the negro race.
it seems the physical differences between all the races go on and on.
Does anyone here disagree with that based on their own observations?

PLEAS PLEASE forgive me if I hurt anyone feeling with he above statements! I do NOT mean to imply any trait makes anyone better than anyone else.

Why on earth would anyone NOT believe the physical trait of intelligence is NOT probably different between races? Now it seems to me that that difference is PROBABLY so small and the ART of measuring IQ so subjective that there could be room for great disagreement
Da Schneib
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 20, 2019
When one starts prying into individual alleles, what one finds is that genetic differences between two individuals supposedly of the "same race" are bigger than either of their differences with at least some individuals supposedly of "different races." This makes the entire concept of "race" a joke, and considering the amount of barbaric behavior these supposed "races" have engendered, not a particularly funny one unless one has a very dark sense of humor.

There is no scientific definition of "race." It's purely a social construct.
Captain Stumpy
1 / 5 (1) Jan 20, 2019
@herp-a-derpkis cont'd
...when enhanced intelligence is achieved thru gene editing, stem cells, or even nootropic drugs. 10X or even a 100X boost ...
first of all - you're assuming that this will be a public distributed product
that is almost comical considering the history of our species

secondly - there will be a tradeoff somewhere, and it may not be beneficial
we evolved intelligence but it made us weaker
we may well have been successful as a species, but it wasn't a sure thing, nor was it a guarantee just because we were intelligent

lastly, you're assuming that greater intelligence means survivability, and that is not always the case, either
a random PhD and a random rural hunter dropped into a remote survival situation alone do not have the same statistical chances for survival
Captain Stumpy
1 / 5 (1) Jan 20, 2019
@herp-a-serpkis cont'd
Why on earth would anyone NOT believe the physical trait of intelligence is NOT probably different between races?
1- your list is physical traits evolved for survival in environments

2- an individual can be more or less intelligent, but there is only one actual human race

3- when you state intelligence is a physical trait, you're only semi-correct: it's based on the physical structure of the brain

we all have the same physical structures unless you can prove otherwise, and we all have the same average density of matter in our heads

4- you're completely dismissing culture, social factors and other nurture specifics in your hastiness to be a racist

where is the scientific evidence supporting your claims?
rderkis
3 / 5 (2) Jan 20, 2019
When one starts prying into individual alleles, what one finds is that genetic differences between two individuals supposedly of the "same race" are bigger than either of their differences with at least some individuals supposedly of "different races." This makes the entire concept of "race" a joke, and considering the amount of barbaric behavior these supposed "races" have engendered, not a particularly funny one unless one has a very dark sense of humor.

There is no scientific definition of "race." It's purely a social construct.

Then you disagree with tose basic assumptions that the white race has less kinky hair then the black race and that the asian race is on average smaller that white race. I am afraid you are getting what is politically correct confused with scientific FACT. Do not feel bad that has been done more times than anyone can count.
And
"social construct."
is a term used for what is politically correct.
rderkis
3 / 5 (2) Jan 20, 2019
Our current IQ pretty much guarantees our extinction in the next few generations. Only IQ enhancement stands a chance of saving us from global climate change, AI, evolving emerging micro organisms, comet strikes, super volcanoes, solar flares, ourselves etc. The list goes on and on.
NO ONE has been able to hold back progress for long, many different groups with different strategies have tried ever since man walked out of the cave and probably before.
Enhanced intelligence will be here within the next 20 years. With the future of the human race at stake (despite the conspiracy theories twisted logic), it will be cheap and everyone will take part.
It will start off with gradual enhancement. Who will complain and try to horde a IQ enhancement of say 1 1/2%? That chinese girl that got the gene therapy got a very slight boost in IQ, yet no one complained about that boost specifically. Rather they complain the treatment was not ready for prime time.
Captain Stumpy
1 / 5 (1) Jan 20, 2019
@herp-a-derpkis
is a term used for what is politically correct
https://www.merri...onstruct

I am afraid you are getting what is politically correct confused with scientific FACT
if your child was born ambidextrous, is it a different race?
Our current IQ pretty much guarantees our extinction in the next few generations
your current IQ might...
NO ONE has been able to hold back progress for long
your kind of progress was stopped fairly well in May 1945, so it's demonstrably possible to prevent your type of idiocy
Enhanced intelligence will be here within the next 20 years
they've been saying this for over 40 years
it started way back in the day with chemical big pharma and continues still - hell, they've even written stories about it (Flowers for Algernon comes to mind here)
rderkis
3.7 / 5 (3) Jan 20, 2019
Would one of you correct me if I am wrong. I have told captain stumpy that I put him on my ignore list but I am guessing he is too dumb to understand what that means. Could one of you TRY to enlighten that retard and tell him I don't read his nonsense posts.

Please forgive me, if his post was not directed at me. But whatever it is it's not worth reading.
Captain Stumpy
3 / 5 (2) Jan 20, 2019
@herp-a-derpkis
Would one of you correct me if I am wrong
you're wrong
I have told captain stumpy that I put him on my ignore list but I am guessing he is too dumb to understand what that means
this assumes that my rationale for posting is to germinate some kind of friendship - I am posting so that others may see just what a f*cking idiot you are
Could one of you TRY to enlighten that retard and tell him I don't read his nonsense posts
then why are you replying to them?
But whatever it is it's not worth reading
in order to reply to them you must first read them

that is something that was completely lost on the idiot rc elsewhere

there is a reason people poke fun at your stupidity:
https://www.youtu...EwjBXlZE
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (2) Jan 21, 2019
Would one of you correct me if I am wrong. I have told captain stumpy that I put him on my ignore list
Coward.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (2) Jan 21, 2019
Would one of you correct me if I am wrong. I have told captain stumpy that I put him on my ignore list
Liar.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 21, 2019
can prove that with a simple experiment: try that crap with me
I'm not anonymous - just ask Otto
I'm waitin' - but I suggest you call ahead, otherwise, you'll be prevented by the terrain, fauna and locals


Oh sure Captain Stumpy is your real name. You are so full of shit. I have been programing since 1977 in assembly and mixed language programing and cracking programs back then. If you think your identity is safe here think again.

And most important you did not understand a word I said. I would not hurt a hair on your head for fear of losing my immortal soul.
says rderkis

The title is, "Study finds simple explanation for endurance of religion". At the mere mention of "Religion" or "God", the atheists and Satan worshippers flock to the phyorg phorum to put their intolerance of the Christian denominations, biblical doctrines and hatred of the Creator God on display as a ploy to intimidate those of you who are religious, proving it matters to them.
-contd-
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 21, 2019
-contd-
@rderkis
And WHY should it matter to them? Because they wish for EVERYONE ON EARTH to BE just like them in their hatred of God the Creator. These idiots can't STAND for anyone to be different and have their OWN beliefs and to live their own lives that is most suitable to them and their preferences. These Satanic worshippers all flock to this science website because they have decided that science has no connection whatsoever to the Deity who made it all happen in the first place.
These Satanists (some aren't even aware that they fall into the Satanist category) are true believers in trying to prevent like-minded people from talking in a physorg phorum concerning religion and belief in the Creator God. This is due to their insensitivity to the fact that this is a public phorum that welcomes everyone, no matter if religious or not. They want exclusivity to prevent/ban references to religion while insulting, mischaracterizing, and trying intimidation.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 21, 2019
-contd-
@rderkis
If you are thin-skinned and cannot accept that this website is beset by Satanic-types - it is best to ignore their nonsense and talk with someone with whom you are more comfortable.
After reading their typical BS that proves their complete intolerance, bigotry, and indecency, it would be wise for you to understand that it is a form of aggressive warfare by these self-righteous to rid this site - if not the Earth - of anyone who has come to understand the Truth that the Creator God has created the Universe and all that is in it.
Captain Beelzebub is known for attempting to intimidate and telling lies about those who disagree with him/it. But he/it will learn a hard lesson in the future, I assure you.
So will theghostofotto1923, for he has continued to vilify the One True God, and he will pay for it also. Da Schneib will dance to a different tune when his turn comes.
StudentofSpiritualTeaching
3 / 5 (2) Jan 22, 2019
@Surveillance: I am herewith apologising for sometimes not paying enough attention when harshly criticizing each and every religious cult. It is often difficult to do that, without unintentionally offending the human beings currently following such a dogma as believers. Please receive my reassurance, that I respect every single human being as valuable life form, no matter if imprisoned in a political belief, weird philosophical belief or religious belief. That said, it must be possible to point out what from my perspective is objectively wrong with politics, philosophies, religions and any other doctrine that blocks human freedom of rational, free, peaceful, harmonic thinking, feeling and as result living and progressing on the evolutionary path.
Da Schneib
1 / 5 (2) Jan 22, 2019
Then you disagree with tose basic assumptions that the white race has less kinky hair then the black race and that the asian race is on average smaller that white race.
How do you define "race?" if you think it's genetic you're against every paper that's been published about it for decades, if you think it's social and based on superficial differences like skin color I might agree.

But they're still people just like us even if they're Asian or black. Or any other "race."

Your problem is, you still think skin color has anything to do with any genetic grouping. Rethink it, @rderkis.
Da Schneib
1 / 5 (2) Jan 22, 2019
Our current IQ pretty much guarantees our extinction in the next few generations. Only IQ enhancement stands a chance of saving us from global climate change, AI, evolving emerging micro organisms, comet strikes, super volcanoes, solar flares, ourselves etc. The list goes on and on.
I disagree. IQ isn't the problem. Emotions are the problem. Sorry people (maybe not you) feel black people are somehow subhuman because they're different. This is a huge problem.

I had a good reason for asking that question: would you provide aid. Your answer was good and I'm more and more strongly accepting it.
Da Schneib
1 / 5 (2) Jan 22, 2019
And you know, I have to add another factor.

Neanderthals had bigger brain cases than modern humans, but not bigger cerebral cases. What were they doing with that?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 22, 2019
It sure seems to me the different races of the human species have different physical traits.
The negro is black
The caucasian is white
The asia has on average a smaller body size than the negro or caucasian.
Negro has on average kinker hair than white.
Even the blood is different between races.
The black man gets sickle cell anemia more often then caucasians.
The caucasian race gets malaria easier than the negro race.
it seems the physical differences between all the races go on and on.
Does anyone here disagree with that based on their own observations?

Why on earth would anyone NOT believe the physical trait of intelligence is NOT probably different between races? Now it seems to me that that difference is PROBABLY so small and the ART of measuring IQ so subjective that there could be room for great disagreement
says rderkis

It would have been better for you to say that there are differences between INDIVIDUALS, rather than taking a whole race into account.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 22, 2019
-contd-
@rderkis
The point is that the Intelligence factor within ANY race cannot be quantified by subsuming a higher intelligence availability to any particular race, to the exclusion of all other races.
There are geniuses and ignoramuses in each race, and everything in between. No one race has an advantage over another if equal educational opportunities are available. Evolution is ongoing so that it is each individual who must put in the effort and motivation to excel scholastically to raise his/her level of I.Q.
Intelligence is not a "physical trait". It is more mental.
Da Schneib
1 / 5 (2) Jan 22, 2019
When you get pwnt so bad on a thread that you call someone "gay" there's not much use trolling on other threads.

Meanwhile:
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granville583762
5 / 5 (4) Jan 25, 2019
SEU, If you can put your nemesis on the path of righteous
all your sins will be forgiven
come judgement day
so
SEU, as you wait while the DSs, the Spooky Otto's file past to their place of peace
you will be held back and judged to see if your good deed
was
Indeed a righteous act
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 26, 2019
I wonder how many of you realize the consequences on not having religion. If it weren't for my unshakable belief in my creator I would rip your eyes out and piss on you brain, taking everything you have. With a IQ of 160 and absolutely no conscience I could do it. I am guessing but there are probably plenty of others also, that religious beliefs keep in check. Next you will tell me how brave you are while you hide behind your anonymous names.
says rderkis

With or without religion and belief in the Creator God - you, as a proper human being, should have put away childish things as greed, malevolence towards others, etc. and "do to others as you would have them do to you". I am surprised that you would even contemplate such actions, only if you were a secular dis- or unbeliever in the Creator God. You don't do anything good for your immortal Soul by thinking of such actions
Why, even Satan/Lucifer secretly believes in the Creator God - isn't that right, Captain Beelzebub?
rderkis
3 / 5 (2) Jan 26, 2019
But they're still people just like us even if they're Asian or black. Or any other "race."

Your problem is, you still think skin color has anything to do with any genetic grouping. Rethink it, @rderkis.


Da Schneib, your an idiot looking for a fight because you know I am black.
Stick you pea brain where the sun doesn't shine.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 26, 2019
SEU, If you can put your nemesis on the path of righteous
all your sins will be forgiven
come judgement day
so
SEU, as you wait while the DSs, the Spooky Otto's file past to their place of peace
you will be held back and judged to see if your good deed
was
Indeed a righteous act
says granville

They will find no peace as their flesh rots and is consumed by worms. Their sinful spirits will be taken to be judged for their sins - those sins which they don't recognise as sins.
We will all be judged, Angels and mankind similarly - with the exception that Angels are not of the flesh, but only of the Spirit. My nemesis is also your nemesis, granville. He is the nemesis of all good humans and Holy Angels who love the Creator God, even if they cannot see Him with their human eyes. Your human eyes have evolved from the time when the early humans had the ability to SEE the Creator God and the Holy Angels. But your human eyes evolved so that you could not anymore.

Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 26, 2019
-contd-
@granville
And because the humans that came later insisted on "evidence" and could not find it - they began to sin as though there would never be any regrets as they became old and death was near.
Be that as it may, there is nothing that we can do except to watch, learn, observe and record.
Humans have been given "Choices" to do with as they will. We can't choose for them or try to change their ways or their path that they've chosen. And it's too hard anyway. You see how mean, nasty, aggressive, openly cynical, and unchangeable they are. This is human nature for such people. But that isn't considered "human nature" by those humans who know the Truth.
Captain Stumpy
1 / 5 (1) Jan 30, 2019
@eggy
Why, even Satan/Lucifer secretly believes in the Creator God
if you subscribe to the myth, then satan must believe as he was created by said deity

if you study the religion, you would logically conclude that satan is just another aspect of the same deity

if you study science you will find that there is no evidence of such thing as sky faeries or their created contentious counterparts, be it satan or anything else

.

.

@herp-a-derpkis
Da Schneib, your an idiot looking for a fight because you know I am black
no
you're a proven idiot who can't even figure out the basics of science even though you can find not only definitions free on the internet, but you can take grade school through PhD level courses absolutely free on the net

oh, and you're a chronic liar too
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Feb 02, 2019
says Captain Beelzebub
@eggy
Why, even Satan/Lucifer secretly believes in the Creator God [-]if you subscribe to the myth, then satan must believe as he was created by said deity
- I subscribe to no myths, Beelzebub. Of course, Satan/Lucifer is very aware that he was created by the Creator God, just as ALL Angels were, and then he thought that he could usurp the Power of the Creator Himself. Stupid move it was. One of Satan's powers over humans is to promote the myth that the Creator God doesn't exist. You pretend that you don't know - but you can pretend all you want - and you will.

if you study the religion, you would logically conclude that satan is just another aspect of the same deity
- What religion are you referring to? Manmade religions? Which one? Nope - Satan was created by God the Creator and had been one of the sons of God. In fact, he was considered as First Son. Have you forgotten?

Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Feb 02, 2019
says Captain Beelzebub
if you study science you will find that there is no evidence of such thing as sky faeries or their created contentious counterparts, be it satan or anything else.
- Well, of course there are no such things as your "sky faeries or their created contentious counterparts". Faerie tales are creations of the human mind/imagination to entertain children. That is so evident that I'm surprised that you thought faerie tales have anything to do with religions even. Have you forgotten the great War in Heaven when Satan/Lucifer and his demonic horde who used to be Angels were defeated and brought to this planet to wait until the time for their total destruction? And Satan has had his fun with humans while turning humans against their Creator God - sinning as they did then and do now while calling it - freedom to do as they please, and to hurt and violate as they will.
And that ain't no faerie tale.
LMFAO
Captain Stumpy
not rated yet Feb 10, 2019
@Eggtarded troll
Have you forgotten the great War in Heaven when Satan/Lucifer and his demonic horde who used to be Angels were defeated and brought to this planet
Nope
it never happened

also - you're talking about a faerie tale stolen from other cultures and rewritten in the Abrahamic belief system in order to control the idiots like yourself

or haven't you noticed how common the trend of good vs evil is in various religious myths?
And that ain't no faerie tale
Ah right! You actually believe in your myths... and you wonder why people think you're a delusional idiot?

just because you believe it to be true doesn't mean it is - it's kinda like your alien bullsh*t: All delusional idiocy on your part

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