India's techies fear US crackdown on high-skilled visas

Indian student Sunny Nair has always dreamt of working for a technology giant in the United States but fears that President Donald Trump will crush his life ambition.

The 19-year-old worries that Trump's crackdown on immigration will include restrictions on so-called H-1B visas, which India's IT sector uses to send thousands of highly-skilled workers to America every year.

Analysts say the issue also threatens to sour Trump and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi's burgeoning relationship. The leaders have extended mutual invitations to visit their respective countries but are heading for a clash on visas.

"I had always dreamt about going to the US and working for a major company like Infosys but now all that will change," Nair told AFP despondently before trudging into class.

The aspiring techie had planned to head to the United States for further study next year after completing his bachelor's degree in engineering at the Don Bosco Institute of Technology in Mumbai.

He hoped that would help land him the opportunity of a lifetime at one of India's top information technology exporting firms, such as Infosys, Tata Consultancy Services (TCS) or Wipro.

But Trump has pledged to prioritise jobs for Americans. Shares in India's three largest tech firms took a hit this week after White House spokesman Sean Spicer suggested that presidential and congressional action could be taken on H-1B visas as "part of a larger immigration reform effort".

Three bills have been introduced to Congress which reportedly seek to restructure the H-1B visa programme, including one that would raise the salary threshold, making it more expensive for Indian firms to send employees to America.

Scores of high-profile Indians, including Google chief executive Sundar Pichai, have followed a well-trodden path from Indian IT institutes to a master's degree in America before landing a plum job in Silicon Valley.

Nair is now anxiously plotting a different road map for his future.

"(Restrictions)... would be a major negative decision by Trump and would mean fewer international opportunities so my goals have shifted drastically now. I am looking at other venues for my future studies like Canada and Europe instead of USA," he said.

Government concerns

India's IT outsourcing industry is worth around $108 billion, according to industry body NASSCOM, the National Association of Software and Services Companies, with almost four million people employed in the sector.

Nasscom president R Chandrashekhar said restrictions would create uncertainty and leave US businesses short of the skilled workers they need.

"It's a myth that these workers replace American workers," he told AFP.

"Given that there aren't enough people with the qualifications to fill these jobs, two things can happen—these jobs can remain unfilled or companies can ship these jobs overseas. Neither is a good thing for the US."

India's IT sector has become a boom industry in recent years with companies, especially in developed nations, subcontracting work to firms such as TCS, taking advantage of the country's skilled English-speaking workforce.

It makes more than $60 billion alone from the American market, providing IT and engineering services to major US businesses.

The United States offers 85,000 H-1B visas every year, most of which are snapped up by Indian outsourcers whose employees fill a skill gap in US engineering. Applications are vastly oversubscribed and are allocated via a lottery system.

Industry experts say any clampdown would force Indian tech titans to radically rethink their business models.

"Indian IT firms may start focusing on Asia-Pacific and expand their businesses here instead of in the US," D.D. Mishra, an analyst at technology research company Gartner told AFP.

Infosys has said it is looking into reducing its dependency on visas to stay competitive, while worried software executives are due to travel to the US later this month to press their case with lawmakers.

Tech Mahindra CEO C.P Gurnani told AFP there would certainly be an impact, adding: "It is unfortunate that we are talking about protectionism and creating artificial trade barriers in the age of globalisation."

"(Any) restriction is always a concern and we hope that the Trump administration will take into consideration all factors, before making any decision," he added.

A spokesman for India's external affairs ministry said earlier this week that New Delhi had conveyed India's "interests and concerns" to "senior levels" in the US administration and Congress.


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Feb 05, 2017
Wow, do you think it's right to steal India's best and brightest minds? India is still a third world country in terms of middle class population wealth. If they are to prosper they need those people right there in India.

Their best and brightest people are their natural resource. By allowing and encouraging their brightest people to come over here we are doing the same thing as if we were stealing oil reserves from another country.

I am sure many of you anti Trump fans must agree, steeling from other nations is a terrible act.

Feb 05, 2017
Well, as the article says: If they can't go to Silicon vlley then they'll go somewhere else.

And if US tech companies will be unable to fill their openings they'll go somewhere else, too (taking the few jobs that americans fill there with them).

But I'm sure genius Trump thought of that when he promised to create jobs, right?

Feb 05, 2017
Wow, do you think it's right to steal India's best and brightest minds? India is still a third world country in terms of middle class population wealth. If they are to prosper they need those people right there in India.

Wait, the Orange-utan in Chief is taking the US into worse than third world status. But, at least you'll have a "beautiful" wall.
LOL.

Feb 05, 2017
We want these folk. "American Exceptionalism" is the fact we get the best folk from other nations.

How did we wind up with such a fool in charge? Who were the goobers who got fooled again by the right-wingers? It was Reagan, who tripled the National Debt, then the Bush Boys who put us into Eternal Wars.

Now we have Trump, killing 60 years of international relations and progress in society.

They haven't even paid for their Bush Wars yet.

Feb 05, 2017
Well, as the article says: If they can't go to Silicon vlley then they'll go somewhere else.


So your answer to this we should steal the oil for ourselfs, because if we don't someone else will?
And it was OK we stole the land from the Indians because someone else would have anyway?

I agree with you thiefs lets steal the land, oil, and brightest people from nations that can't stop us. :-)

/q/ But, at least you'll have a "beautiful" wall.
Yes, and we the people love him back for it.

You do realize for whatever reason you want to dream up the terrorists want to kill hundreds if not thousands of us, right?
I ask you if they succeed, what will happen to the judge that threw out the travel ban and all of you eccentric left wingers, in the eyes of the people. You will be forced to crawl under a rock and you will be generations digging your way out.

Feb 05, 2017

eccentric left wingers, in the eyes of the people. You will be forced to crawl under a rock and you will be generations digging your way out.

And if they don't succeed Trump will get the credit. You have placed yourself's in lose/lose scenario. And I mean it's possible you will lose big time.

Feb 05, 2017
I think rderkis does not care about India. He just wants to find ways to justify the Trump Offense Against Humanity.

Trump will be gone in less than one year.

BTW, I fear the religious nuts in our Bible Belt as much as those in other places, . . and right-wingers such as Dylan Roof and Buford Furrow and Steve Bannon.

Feb 05, 2017
Those immigrants are the basis of "American Exceptionalism". It does not refer to us, the spoiled folk born here, but those who have the guts to start over in a foreign land.

We get the best here, . . . unless we reject them.

Feb 05, 2017
We get the best here, . . . unless we reject them.


There you are barging about Trump again. :-)

I think rderkis does not care about India.

So how does that mater as far as truth is concerned?
Your a thief of other countries wealth when it suites you and you hide behind VARY bad reasoning, if it's reasoning at all.

BTW, I fear the religious nuts in our Bible Belt as much as those in other places, . . and right-wingers such as Dylan Roof and Buford Furrow and Steve Bannon.


What don't you fear? You have told us time and time again "The Sky Is Falling, THE SKY IS FALLING!"

Feb 05, 2017
So your answer to this we should steal the oil for ourselfs

This isn't about oil.

Well educated people go where they find jobs. If they can no longer find them in the US then they'll go elsewhere. Jobs pay taxes. The taxes they pay will then be paid somewhere else (Canada, Europe, wherever)

But jobs also have to put out products that will be bought. India doesn't have a huge consumer base capable of affording the high tech products these people put out. So making them all stay in India also isn't a solution. There's no 'stealing' involved, here, as their services aren't needed at home.

You do realize for whatever reason you want to dream up the terrorists want to kill hundreds if not thousands of us, right?

Ya know, if you didn't go around plundering their natural resources by military force they might not. Every bomb you drop kills a father/husband/brother/sister/wife/mother of someone. That someone might want revenge. Ever thought of that?

Feb 05, 2017
This isn't about oil.
Well educated people go where they find jobs. If they can no longer find them in the US then they'll go elsewhere. Jobs pay taxes. The taxes they pay will then be paid somewhere else (Canada, Europe, wherever)


It's about time you quite rationalizing why it's wrong to steal Afghan's oil ant the native American's land but OK to steal a resource more valuable than oil or land.
This undeniably makes you a hypocrite!.

Feb 05, 2017
Hey, derkis, argue the points but stop the name-calling.

And learn how to spell "matter", "you're", "countries'", "suits", and "VERY"


Feb 05, 2017
Hey, derkis, argue the points but stop the name-calling.
And learn how to spell "matter", "you're", "countries'", "suits", and "VERY"


Wow, don't get so mad! Everybody's a hypocrite in one way or another. Yours just happens to be justifications for stealing from other countries.

Good catch on the spelling. Perhaps that will mask the truth. :-)
Or at least sooth your bruised ego after a painful fact you were forced to face.

Feb 05, 2017
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Feb 05, 2017
Yeah, that's it. The word is "soothe".

:-) Feel betterx? Oops was that misspelled?

Feb 05, 2017
gkam why were you censored? I read it and it was directed at me, and it was certainly not the worst thing you ever wrote.

Feb 05, 2017
Trump loves rderkis, they make Amurika great.
https://www.youtu...&t=9

Feb 05, 2017
I think the moderator needs to understand somthing. I have my two dogs and I ended up with my sons family's 2 dogs. When they were forced to move to silicon valley. We are talking BIG BIG dogs. The neighbor that lives behind me has 3 dogs. They run up and down the fence growling and snapping at each other till it sounds like they would literately tear each other apart. It is what I call "Fence Fighting" (It is just a game they play)
The other day the neighbors, dogs dug under the fence and they were all running around frolicking and playing together like the were best friends.

That's the way we are here. I am grateful for gkam because no mater our disagreements he makes me reevaluate my beliefs, In other words he helps keep us all honest no mater how crazy he/me sounds.

Feb 05, 2017
Trump loves rderkis, they make Amurika great.


Thank you! high praise coming from you!
There has never been a U.S. president that I would be ashamed of knowing personalty. They have all achieved personal greatness, none of us on here will ever come close to.

Oh, I have great disagreements with some of them but they are ALL worth my utmost respect.

Feb 05, 2017
Their best and brightest people are their natural resource. By allowing and encouraging their brightest people to come over here we are doing the same thing as if we were stealing oil reserves from another country.

I am sure many of you anti Trump fans must agree, steeling from other nations is a terrible act. -rderkis

Typical conservative, rderkis thinks that dark-skinned people are property owned by one country or another.

Feb 05, 2017
/q]Typical conservative, rderkis thinks that dark-skinned people are property owned by one country or another.

I hate to burst your bubble but I am a black man, a Democrat and a member of a strong labor union. It's a shame you don't know what your talking about, again.
But I did vote for Trump. :-)

Feb 05, 2017
India's geniuses should stay in their country to help make their country great rather than travel to the U.S. to help make America great. Maybe part of the reason India is not so great is because their best citizens leave. And part of the reason the U.S. keeps falling in the Maths and Sciences is because they don't need to educate their own citizens when they can bring in the best and brightest of other countries.

Feb 05, 2017
Maybe part of the reason India is not so great is because their best citizens leave.


I think it's a big part of the reason. It's kind of like bringing the interpreters and other of Afghan's finest over here.
Where would we be if during the revolutionary war when France helped us, they would have taken
John Adams, Samuel Adams, John Hancock, Robert Treat Paine, Elbridge Gerry
George Clymer ,Benjamin Franklin etc. to go to France to live?

Feb 05, 2017
Those men were free to go, if they wanted.

And we do not take their citizens, they want to come. Are you against freedom?

Feb 05, 2017
Yes! Try to use your freedom to kill me and my family and you will find yourself in over your head. If you are free to do what you want, try robbing a bank. Obviously regardless of what you think, freedom has it's limits.

Feb 05, 2017
What don't you fear? You have told us time and time again "The Sky Is Falling, THE SKY IS FALLING!"
I keep telling you psychopaths dont feel anything.

"This lack of "soul quality" makes them very efficient "machines." They can... imitate the words of emotion, but over time, it becomes clear that their words do not match their actions. They are the type of person who can claim that they are devastated by grief who then attend a party "to forget." The problem is: they really DO forget."

-george is play-acting to get a rise out of you.

Feb 06, 2017
I am a psychopath. But I know God exists! And with God's help a man can overcome ANY evil. Including the one that lives inside himself.

Feb 06, 2017
I am a psychopath. But I know God exists! And with God's help a man can overcome ANY evil. Including the one that lives inside himself
This is like when someone says 'everything I say is a lie'.

Feb 06, 2017
I have no problem with people trying to make a better life for themselves. But I also have no problem with a country stopping the inflow of workers who are offered jobs for less money while that country's citizens are passed over.
The U.S. graduates two times more Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B Visa program. To me it is only logical to make less VISA workers available so these companies would need to hire qualified citizens. The fact is these IT companies (and other industries) cry workforce shortages to allow more foreign STEM workers into the country because they can pay these foreign workers less. I don't fault companies trying to increase profits BUT it is the job of a country's government to look out for the welfare of its own citizens first. Once their own citizens are employed THEN it is reasonable to allow others to fill in the gaps.

Feb 06, 2017
Good points, but they are often looking for folk in specialties for which we cannot provide sufficient supply.

Feb 06, 2017
Good points, but they are often looking for folk in specialties for which we cannot provide sufficient supply.


Gkam that is a good point, if you could show us proof in the form of a few specific examples and not just some company's propaganda or your speculation.
Now to be clear we are talking about vary specific training here not experience. Because experience usually only comes from work on a job.
And please tell us the rate of pay they are giving for that skill.

Feb 06, 2017
You can look that stuff up easily. The arguments are backed up with numbers, as they should be to get the foreign-born technical folk.

I worked in Silicon Valley long ago (1972-74), and we had the need for foreign-born specialists then, too.

Feb 06, 2017
Since you worked there and know the industry can you give me an example of a specialty that only foreigners can fill?

Feb 06, 2017
I left in the mid-70s, and do not know what the hot specialties are now, but biotech is one.

Feb 06, 2017
I worked in Silicon Valley long ago (1972-74), and we had the need for foreign-born specialists then, too.

Well, someone had to scrub the toilets

Feb 06, 2017
boom..... people from India in my company do not work for less than American born people in this company. The same is true in other companies. Your stated basis for your reasoning is not accurate. Those who fit your basis are staying in India, but working for American company subsidiaries. They do the same jobs instead of Americans for less pay. So the educated Indian who stays in India has much higher potential for reducing the pay of Americans than the educated Indian who immigrates to the USA. As a hiring manager, I have never done what you seem to think is happening. I would consider someone who requires sponsorship as a last choice. Sometimes I am still driven to that choice.

Feb 06, 2017
H1B Visa holders must be payed the prevailing wage in the area for the expertise position they are filling. But won't prevailing wage go down with so many foreign workers available? If the foreign supply goes down then prevailing wages will go up and citizens will be more apt to relocate to fill such lucrative positions.

Feb 06, 2017
I am a psychopath. But I know God exists! And with God's help a man can overcome ANY evil. Including the one that lives inside himself.


You prove beyond a doubt that you are a psycho. I took the extraordinary step of removing you from my ignore list to post this. I'll directly put you right back on it, because unlike some other very patient people around here I seldom have the willingness to absorb any more psychotic poison than I'm already subjected to. You will need to look elsewhere in your desperate and frantic search to validate your psychotic delusions.

Feb 06, 2017
boom, how many do you think are available? Sorry, your math doesn't add up. The math points to off shoring and outsourcing. Like I said, the Indian tech worker in India brings down the pay for US jobs far, far more than a visa holder. Sponsorship itself has costs. The worker in India holding an outsourced job is only 10% of the cost of hiring a US citizen.

Feb 06, 2017
I worked in Silicon Valley long ago (1972-74), and we had the need for foreign-born specialists then, too
Anyone recall if this is entirely new gkam bullshit or some previously-foisted bullshit?

Feb 06, 2017
Zzzzzzzz, I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. It's a fact that the more potential employees there are for a company, the less they need to offer as a standard wage. Less available workers will equal higher wages for that position in the U.S. Cutting the available employment seekers will increase the wage offered for a position and may even cause a company to offer better incentives to entice people. Higher wages will cause more people to train for those jobs. Good for America.

Feb 06, 2017
I took the extraordinary step of removing you from my ignore list to post this.


What a idiot. If I was on his ignore list how did he know what I posted?
Oh sure he might have read someone else's quote from me but it still did not have my handle on it.
I am sorry I have been reading to many of these posts, the hate vocabulary must be rubbing off on me. Disregard the idiot statement and replace it with "you must not understand the mute function on here, it has nothing to do with sound. :-)


Feb 06, 2017
You can look that stuff up easily. The arguments are backed up with numbers, as they should be to get the foreign-born technical folk..

So in other words you can't give any specific examples and are trying to evade the question. A form of trust me. My logic is right even without spec facts to back it up,

Feb 06, 2017
No, it means you are insufficiently important for me to do that.

Believe what you want.

Feb 06, 2017
No, it means you are insufficiently important for me to do that.

Believe what you want.

:-) It's fine I did not figure you knew what you were talking about. This proves it beyond a doubt. :-)

Feb 06, 2017
Sorry, I just do not want to argue this point. It is settled.

Feb 06, 2017
No, it means you are insufficiently important for me to do that you smelly little worm
If it walks, talks and smells like a psychopath then I guess it is settled.

Feb 07, 2017
Sorry, I just do not want to argue this point. It is settled.

Just out of curiosity how long did you look before you realized you were wrong and the examples don't exist.
Or if they do exist they were NOT so specialized that no one in America could do them.
I guess the real question is, were you objective enough and wise enough to admit (not to me but) to yourself you were wrong?

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