August shatters global heat records for 16th month in a row

A string of unusual heat across land and sea surfaces is "the longest such streak in the 137-year record," said the mo
A string of unusual heat across land and sea surfaces is "the longest such streak in the 137-year record," said the monthly climate report by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration

Last month was the hottest August in modern times and marked the 16th month in a row when global records for heat were shattered planet-wide, US authorities said Tuesday.

The string of unusual heat across land and sea surfaces is "the longest such streak in the 137-year record," said the monthly climate report by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

The NOAA report also found that global temperatures over the entire year so far have been "the highest on record."

Average temperature for the year across global land and ocean surfaces was 1.82 Fahrenheit above the 20th century average of 57.3 F.

That was enough to surpass 2015, the previous record-holder, by 0.29 F.

Climate scientists say the upward trend of heating is driven by the burning of fossil fuels, which add to greenhouse gases that trap heat around the Earth.

The record heat trend has been exacerbated by the El Nino weather phenomenon, which boosted warmth in the Pacific around the equator in the first half of this year.

August records

Taken alone, August's temperature across global land and surfaces was 1.66 Fahrenheit above the 20th century average of 60.1 F.

"This was the highest for August in the 1880-2016 record, surpassing the previous record set in 2015 by 0.09 F," NOAA said.

Africa and Asia each saw record high average temperatures for the month—the hottest since continental records began in 1910.

The world's oceans, which absorb much of the heat from the atmosphere, were the second warmest on record, just a tad (0.04 F) be
The world's oceans, which absorb much of the heat from the atmosphere, were the second warmest on record, just a tad (0.04 F) behind 2015

"Much-warmer-than-average conditions engulfed the vast majority of the world's land surfaces," said the NOAA report.

"Record warmth during the first eight months was present across Alaska, western Canada, northern South America, central and southern Africa, southern Europe, Indonesia, and across parts of Central America, the Caribbean, northern and central Asia and Australia."

Bahrain experienced its second warmest August since national records began in 1902, with an average temperature of 97.5 F—or 4.3 F above average.

New Zealand has seen its hottest year since national records began in 1909.

Hot water

The world's oceans, which absorb much of the heat from the atmosphere, were the second warmest on record, just a tad (0.04 F) behind 2015.

Record warmth was observed in the Atlantic along the US East coast, the central southern Atlantic Ocean, and across parts of western Indian Ocean and the western and southeastern Pacific Ocean, said NOAA.

"Cooler-than-average conditions were limited to small areas" of the Pacific, the southern Atlantic Ocean and southeastern Indian Ocean.

The warming trend of El Nino subsided in July and neither El Nino nor La Nina are expected to prevail for the rest of this year.

In another troubling indicator for the planet, sea ice in the Arctic continued to retreat.

"The average Arctic sea ice extent for August was 23.1 percent below the 1981–2010 average," said NOAA.

"This was the fourth smallest August extent since records began in 1979."


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Sep 20, 2016
I guess I missed it. Our highs were not spectacular nor was our El Nino. I recall hotter years in the mid 2000's

Sep 20, 2016
Who cares about the scientific record when we have Bongstar's memory?

Sep 20, 2016
"The string of unusual heat across land and sea surfaces is "the longest such streak in the 137-year record," said the monthly climate report by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

The NOAA report also found that global temperatures over the entire year so far have been "the highest on record."

Average temperature for the year across global land and ocean surfaces was 1.82 Fahrenheit above the 20th century average of 57.3 F.

That was enough to surpass 2015, the previous record-holder, by 0.29 F."


ENSO conditions are neutral, people. If that doesn't terrify you I don't know what will.

Sep 20, 2016
"The string of unusual heat across land and sea surfaces is "the longest such streak in the 137-year record," said the monthly climate report by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration...."

I am not a climate change denier by any stretch, but...
137 years of recorded vs - oh, let's say - the last million years or so...
I really detest sensationalist come ons...


Sep 20, 2016
"The string of unusual heat across land and sea surfaces is "the longest such streak in the 137-year record," said the monthly climate report by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration...."

I am not a climate change denier by any stretch, but...


...but weighs in with a geological time argument. The rhetorical equivalent of saying "why do you care if you ate today when in a billion years we'll all be dead!"

Sep 20, 2016
"The string of unusual heat across land and sea surfaces is "the longest such streak in the 137-year record," said the monthly climate report by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration...."

I am not a climate change denier by any stretch, but...


...but weighs in with a geological time argument. The rhetorical equivalent of saying "why do you care if you ate today when in a billion years we'll all be dead!"

You misrepresent my comment intent. The article discusses 16 months out of a 137 year period. I find that sensationalist.
(Not to mention, an appeal to emotion...)

Sep 20, 2016
Scientists have developed proxy data - and put millions of hours of work into ice cores, sediment analysis, tree ring data - and a thousand other methods of getting the best understanding of climate history we can. Here's half a billion for you - https://en.wikipe...emps.svg
Interesting chart. Thanks.
So what do you think you accomplish - by pointing out what we already know - that we have only been keeping temperature records for the past few hundred years?

137, according to the article.
Does this invalidate the observation that we are currently in a warming trend,

Not at all.
and that the current best understanding of the driver of that trend - is green house gases.
not arguing this, either.
Do you have something to actually bring to the equation?

Other than that sensationalizing a situation to an already information-overloaded society is - inviting backlash...

Sep 20, 2016

You misrepresent my comment intent. The article discusses 16 months out of a 137 year period. I find that sensationalist.
(Not to mention, an appeal to emotion...)


The article didn't make the claim, the agency it's reporting on did.

Sep 21, 2016
I don't know. I think he threw in the comment without thinking it through. It's not as if he's one of the loony unicorn trolls.

Sep 21, 2016
Bongstar420 claimed
I guess I missed it. Our highs were not spectacular nor was our El Nino. I recall hotter years in the mid 2000's
Really ?

Tell us about your:-
1. Data, precision, accuracy, resolution ?
2. Measurement methodology
3. Calibration procedures
4. MTTR/MTBF data logging service management/replacement programs

Anything actually tangible which might be useful as a reference ?

ie Anything other than a one line/one sentence "feeling" ?

Heard of Science Bongstar420, that system which employs discipline across several paths
ie Physics, Math, Chemistry, Engineering etc etc etc ?

Sep 21, 2016
40,000 people died in Europe last year, due to winter conditions. With an aging population, this gets worse. Before we cry about some pathetic little island getting swamped, lets consider that IF Earth is warming, it will overall be better for the majority of people. Cold weather for a number of reasons is not desirable.

Sep 21, 2016
Whydening Gyre wrote
I am not a climate change denier by any stretch, but...
137 years of recorded vs - oh, let's say - the last million years or so...
I really detest sensationalist come ons...
Unfortunately it is IS sensational & very troubling too re many levels, the keys & no particular order

1. CO2 increasing still with negligible sign of abating - it has specific proven thermal properties re IR !
2. CO2 lifts H2O which is a more powerful greenhouse gas also well proven Eg Psychrometry
3. CO2 retention >100yrs, ie if CO2 declines H2O declines by rain/snow in only 7 days
4. Oceans absorb a great deal of heat, yet despite that we have a worsening trend, this is very
disturbing as the specific heat re totals of Ocean are 4000 X higher than atmosphere !
5. Oceans getting warmer with higher CO2 increases acidification impacting seafood growth
6. Higher CO2 affects some food plants as they shift equilibria to produce cyanogens ie Poisons
7. Lignin density etc

Sep 21, 2016
I see nothing sensational about stating the fact that we have broken temperatures records 16 months in a row.
-- onion retard
One wonders if the onion retard was thinking of this when he boasted about his 2 day, 1200 mile, gas guzzling, CO2 spewing, jaunt. That's over a tenth of the average annual emission in the US. Bray jackass...bray.

Sep 21, 2016
rrrander with extreme ignorance stated
40,000 people died in Europe last year, due to winter conditions. With an aging population, this gets worse
Yes & as the equatorial regions get warmer the path of heat flow via the Atlantic Conveyor (or thermohaline) changes
https://en.wikipe...culation

Which means Europe could freeze over whilst equatorial regions become less habitable !

rrrander with nil empathy or understanding wrote
Before we cry about some pathetic little island getting swamped, lets consider that IF Earth is warming, it will overall be better for the majority of people
Did you *not* think many millions of people live in coastal regions ?

rrrander wrote
Cold weather for a number of reasons is not desirable
Wrong
1. Some food crops do better at lower temperatures.
2. Bacteria ie human pathogens generally "cold blooded", ie more bacteria/infections when warms
3. Far easier to warm than to cool re energy efficiency

Sep 21, 2016
I am not a climate change denier by any stretch, but...
137 years of recorded vs - oh, let's say - the last million years or so..

Even if someone were not to accept this amount of time as scientifically sound: are you prepared to take the chance and just do nothing based on such an opinion?

Other than that sensationalizing a situation to an already information-overloaded society is - inviting backlash...

a) An information overloaded* society will only react to exceptional information
b) The article is factual. If the facts are exceptional then that is not sensationalism. Nowhere are there fuzzy adjectives (like "very", "many", etc. ) in the article that herald sensationalist reporting.

*more like a _sensation_ overloaded society. I find that any kind of public communications outlet is rather short on the actual information part. It's all infotainment with emphasis on the 'tainment' - even 'science' shows.

Sep 21, 2016
But natural variation would not lead to 16 months in row, or the 16 warmest years all occurring since 1998


I wouldn't say "would not" - only that it's unlikely.

Otherwise you have to come up with a theory that explicitly prevents the climate from doing that by random variation. If you don't, you're committing the gambler's fallacy, or thinking that statistically unlikely events in the long term are also improbable in the short term.

In other words, if you got a random event like throwing three sixes with dice, just because it's unlikely to happen doesn't mean it can't happen the very first time you try. The improbability of the event doesn't dictate when its going to happen, so even after three sixes you can't say "well there can't be a fourth because that's unlikely". Yes there can.

And so after 16 years you can't say "it's been hot so long it can't be random". That's not how it works.


Sep 21, 2016
Every month there are multiple articles that last month was hotter than any other month on record. This is obviously the new PC normal.

Are there plans to throw in a normal month now and then or can we save time by just saying that every month from now on is going to be hotter than any other month?

Sep 21, 2016
How is it that we see the scientists who are studying our climate - and expressing valid concern for the future - as "sensationalists" - but it is no problem tollerating the ignorance expressed by the illiterate like rrander.
--onionRetard
How is it that the onion retard could boast about his 2 day, 1200 mile, gas guzzling, CO2 spewing jaunt, in which he released over a tenth of the average annual US emissions. But it is no problem, for him to come here and bray, like the jackass he is, at the heretics.

Sep 21, 2016
Eikka (E!) re variation
I wouldn't say "would not" - only that it's unlikely
Yes And based on Physics And Balance of Probability And given other factors either static or declined Eg Insolation then whats left ?

E! facile
Otherwise you have to come up with a theory that explicitly prevents the climate from doing that by random variation
Only if you failed @ Physics re Enthalpy/Radiative Forcing = directly causal factors !

E! still facile
In other words .. a random event like throwing three sixes with dice
Completely wrong, disingenuous & an uneducated inappropriate retort obfuscating Physics - who's paying you ?

E! false
.. improbability of the event doesn't dictate when its going to happen
For your simplistic Eg tossing dice so redo it with heat engine strokes as far more appropriate, 16 consecutive richer mixtures tells heaps !

E!
you can't say "it's been hot ..can't be random"
You can its called inference re Physics !

Yah think ?

Sep 21, 2016
directly causal factors !


Simply because one thing causes another doesn't exclude all other causes that do the same.

That's the fallacy: saying that the climate is what it is because of X, and because of X being present no other phenomenon or chaotic variation in the climate -can- explain the present temperatures.

Even if X were true, it still means you've already decided that everything that is happening is proof of the theory that attempts to explain what is happening exclusive of all others, which makes it non-falsifiable and therefore not science but religion.

It's like saying that when there's fire there's smoke, so if there's a fire there cannot be any other source of smoke. Therefore burning a candle in the room excludes the possibility that you forgot your gloves on the electric heater for too long.


Sep 21, 2016
Eikka (E!) writes
Simply because one thing causes another doesn't exclude all other causes that do the same
You're conflating climate with Enthalpy, a 16 month run indicative of large enthalpy upwards - not a climate re Mediterranean vs tropic etc Doh !

E! wrote
That's the fallacy: saying that the climate is what it is because of X
Your fallacy as you fail to appreciate Enthalpy !

Do analogy for internal combustion engine re Heat ie Enthalpy for the same 16 periods OK ?

E! clambers around failing in causation re Enthalpy
.. which makes it non-falsifiable and therefore not science but religion
No.

E! fails (purpose I think) to understand
It's like saying that when there's fire there's smoke, so if there's a fire there cannot be any other source of smoke..
No its not it isnt an unconnected fire/smoke issue ! !

Because thermal inertia significant, what other cause then next likely ?

Other *Enthalpy* factors addressed what other heat, yah think ?

Sep 21, 2016
A nice animation from NASA concerning temperature in August: http://earthobser...2016.gif

The problem is, that there are too many people on this earth. This causes a lot of problems, not just only global warming.

For example, by 2050 we wont have enough food worldwide. We already have to eat gen manipulated food. But also gen manipulation has its limits. What comes next? "Soylent Green"?

Some countries in Asia and Africa have already recognized this problem and try to solve it, but unfortunately mostly without any mentionable success. If we are able to solve the problem overpopulation, this would automatically solve a lot of other problems.

I am ready to help.

Sep 21, 2016
Great..then you can be the first one to go...if you truly believe there are too many, which I do not believe you truly believe..now too many of people you don't like, thats a different story

A nice animation from NASA concerning temperature in August: http://earthobser...2016.gif

The problem is, that there are too many people on this earth. This causes a lot of problems, not just only global warming.

For example, by 2050 we wont have enough food worldwide. We already have to eat gen manipulated food. But also gen manipulation has its limits. What comes next? "Soylent Green"?

Some countries in Asia and Africa have already recognized this problem and try to solve it, but unfortunately mostly without any mentionable success. If we are able to solve the problem overpopulation, this would automatically solve a lot of other problems.

I am ready to help.


Sep 21, 2016
I live in Oregon..Google it dummy!

Bongstar420 claimed
I guess I missed it. Our highs were not spectacular nor was our El Nino. I recall hotter years in the mid 2000's
Really ?

Tell us about your:-
1. Data, precision, accuracy, resolution ?
2. Measurement methodology
3. Calibration procedures
4. MTTR/MTBF data logging service management/replacement programs

Anything actually tangible which might be useful as a reference ?

ie Anything other than a one line/one sentence "feeling" ?

Heard of Science Bongstar420, that system which employs discipline across several paths
ie Physics, Math, Chemistry, Engineering etc etc etc ?


Sep 21, 2016
I am ready to help.

You keep saying this - but you never say how. So here's your chance: Show us how smart you are. Tell us exactly how YOU are going to help. Go on. We're all ears.

Hic Rhodus. Hic salta.


Sep 21, 2016
Great..then you can be the first one to go...if you truly believe there are too many, which I do not believe you truly believe..now too many of people you don't like, thats a different story

Have a look at https://en.wikipe...pulation

Sep 21, 2016
Have a look at https://en.wikipe...pulation

How is that supposed to answer the question what YOU are prepared to do?
(And remember: "preparing" means nothing. Either you do something or you don't)

Sep 21, 2016
Well, on average, they were significantly warmer....till the El Nino disappeared in 1 month around May-June...the El Nino which only lasted 6 months or so and did not cause our snow pack to be below average which is the "normal" effect of El Nino in my region.

I suggest you look at the actual data. The news is reporting a "drought" when if you just look at the NOAA precip data, you will see that we are almost exactly on a normal water and snow year.

Every month there are multiple articles that last month was hotter than any other month on record. This is obviously the new PC normal.

Are there plans to throw in a normal month now and then or can we save time by just saying that every month from now on is going to be hotter than any other month?


Sep 21, 2016
There are different possibilities: laws like in China, mass abortions like in India and some African countries, working the whole day like in South Korea, different kinds of awareness campaigns, a good working social system and some other programs.

But the problems are often our political and financial system. There are different examples like some countries in Europe and the already mentioned countries China and South Korea. If you try to reduce the population, then it gets older and older. And most companies prefer younger employee. A lot of politicans fear, that the country would not be competitive any more.

Another problem are some religions. In some countries in the Middle East, you are almost forced to have children as most as possible, otherwise the society wont accept you.

I think, that we can solve this last 2 mentioned problems too. Politicans, managers and religious leaders should think about the consequences of overpopulation, that affects them and their children.

Sep 21, 2016
I am sure that there are also some other posibilieties i don´t know yet. And i would be really interested in some other ideas.

The most important thing is, that we dont destroy this planet. It´s the only planet where we can live on! I would be ready to do anything to save our all home.

Sep 21, 2016
Bongstar420 with anger & very best futile redneck effort
I live in Oregon..Google it dummy!
Ah, you come down to feeble insult, you come across as TheGhostofOtto1923 - ie merely 15yrs old :/

1. You've been on phys.org since Dec 2014 & go to trouble to inform you know nothing !
2. Oregon isn't the world & US only 2%
3. Relying on local regional conditions isn't smart
4. One line blurts also aren't intelligent - you wrote nothing useful
5. Much water around your area ie You ever learned about Specific Heat - see 1 or read links ?
6. You know USA near Canada & North Pole ? large masses of cold water & ice
7. You know weather moves in semi-chaotic patterns with energy resolved by integration of heat ?

Tell Bongstar420, why didn't you learn Physics of heat at school ?

If you want to offer any useful Scientific Discourse at all, first learn to come as equal as its clear from your tone you haven't the psychological or intellectual equipment (yet)

Learn Physics !

Sep 21, 2016
I don't know. I think he threw in the comment without thinking it through. It's not as if he's one of the loony unicorn trolls.

Thank you, Lee.

Sep 21, 2016
There are different possibilities: laws like in China, mass abortions like in India and some African countries, working the whole day like in South Korea, different kinds of awareness campaigns, a good working social system and some other programs.

None of which are something you can contribute to a solution to.

But the problems are often our political and financial system.

None of which are something you can contribute to a solution to.

Another problem are some religions. In some countries in the Middle East,

None of which are something you can contribute to a solution to.

So again: How are YOU prepared to help? What 'preparation' have you done?
Lemme guess: None.

Sep 21, 2016
And yet the temperature is still > 0.5C cooler than they predicted.


Sep 21, 2016
john_mathon claimed
And yet the temperature is still > 0.5C cooler than they predicted
They ? when, where - maybe on your brain stem ?

One liners don't educate, don't enhance dialectic convergence they *only* show up people as mindless automata incapable of mature Scientific discourse.

So john_mathon, do you refute the data, the measurement method, the calibration, the analysis ?

Have you factored in Physics with proven properties of gases re Radiative Heat Transfer & discounted the causal relationship ?

ie Why john_mathon, would you ever discount the causal relationship in Physics when its enabled you to even post on the internet - heard of Engineering & Quantum Mechanics so you can show us your current level of intellectual equipment - which patently isnt at all inspiring so far ?

Learn Physics, go back to school, this is for adults not robots who can only spout one line at a time !

ie Get a life & grow up & improve the human circumstances for change...

Sep 21, 2016
I see the emotional tension is rather high on this article...
My contributions, over the last 25 years;
1. We have one vehicle. Mostly for travel to work sites, Anywhere locally, I bike.
2. I've planted 100 trees on my property, adding to the 50 already there. All that shade means I mow half as much as next door neighbor. I do not burn the leaves, I compost or mulch. Landscaping is done with hand tools. Power tools, rarely.
3. We recycle household waste.
4. I've doubled our attic insulation and installed efficient triple layer windows. The 2ft depth, 12 ft wide rock landscaping around foundation is remarkably good at gathering solar heat and warming the house from the bottom up. We use a 90% efficient gas furnace. Additionally we use a wood stove to cut the gas bill. We use an on demand hot water system.
I will be incrementally adding both solar and wind power production (I'm an artist... and this stuff ain't cheap).
So.... have I contributed sufficiently, so far?

Sep 21, 2016
Does this invalidate the observation that we are currently in a warming trend, and that the current best understanding of the driver of that trend - is green house gases


Why do you keep asking these stupid questions Green? We've been in a warming environment for over 10,000 years. It isn't news. These morons get excited because the keeps going up. What a surprise. Masters of the obvious.

Then you decide it's all greenhouse gasses generated by people. That's so completely brainless it defies a response. Warming. It means things get warmer. Been going on for thousands of years.

137 years? Not natural variation? Heard of ice ages you fool? Now that's variation.

Sep 21, 2016
BackBurner (BB) demonstrates ignorance of Radiative Heat Transfer & Rate of Change (RoC)
We've been in a warming environment for over 10,000 years. It isn't news. These morons get excited because the keeps going up
It IS news due to RoC & especially so as the specific heat of water is much higher than air AND oceans, cover ~ 70% of the Earth, absorb most heat so therefore for atmospheric temps to rise consecutively indicates oceans releasing more heat despite it also absorbing !

BB's facile satire
What a surprise. Masters of the obvious
Not obvious to laypeople, its Physics !

BB simplistic
Then you decide it's all greenhouse gasses generated by people. That's so completely brainless ..
Not "decision", missed the radiological data ?

BB wrote
.. going on for thousands of years
@ what RoC please ?

BackBurner lost all credibility
Heard of ice ages you fool?
Insults show dismal failure, who's the brainless fool for not learning basic Physics ?

Sep 22, 2016
These morons get excited because the keeps going up.

These 'morons' notice something you didn't...that the increase in temperature is spiking (second derivative is positive - if you know what that means)

Here's a quick graph. You'll need to scroll a bit, but maybe your finger will get the point where your brain didn't.
https://xkcd.com/1732/

Sep 22, 2016
It seems a lot of people don't know some very basic information - which allows a bunch of deniers to spam sites like physorg with ignorance. So it is perhaps a way of highlighting that ignorance. Take your statement for example
We've been in a warming environment for over 10,000 years
Now any one can take a look at the actual record - and see that you are flat wrong. https://www.clima...E2%80%9D

Why would someone keep embarrassing themselves?
--onion retard
The braying jackass, who knows the information, so that he can spam physorg, boasting about his recent 2 day, 1200 mile, CO2 spewing jaunt, in which he emitted over a tenth of the US annual average. That's his way of highlighting his "brilliance".
Why would someone keep embarrassing themselves?....No wait....the onions believes that if he just keeps braying at the heretics, like the jackass he is, then he can burn as much fossil fuels as he likes and not only be unembarrassed but remain beyond reproach.

Sep 23, 2016
[qIt seems a lot of people don't know some very basic information - which allows a bunch of deniers to spam sites like physorg with ignorance. So it is perhaps a way of highlighting that ignorance. Take your statement for example
We've been in a warming environment for over 10,000 years
Now any one can take a look at the actual record - and see that you are flat wrong. https://www.clima...E2%80%9D
This link doesn't seem to match the 1st one I thanked you for. Nor does it match the one AAP just provided. So how is Backburners statement "flat wrong", again?
We're all equal here. Stop calling everyone who may not exactly agree with you (or not even be aware of some of your info), ignorant.

Sep 24, 2016
Jeeze @Greenonions, thanks for sharing. There certainly is a crisis confronting mankind in global warming, and it's a damn shame that serious people are not paying heed to how strikingly dangerous this will be... if not stopped globally and immediately! In the case of global warming, I think it's the start of Mankind's doom, and the beginning of new great extinction event. Sad as it may be, we could be the last advanced generation.

Sep 24, 2016
... All three of the graphs are in good agreement. Sorry you don't understand the issue of scale. All three graphs show that over the past 5,000 years or so - the earth has been in a cooling trend.

Your'e "scale" is too constrained.
Sorry you cant read a fucking graph.

Then how did I determine they were not "flat" the same?
We are not all equal here. Some of us are interested in reality.

You're own VIEW of reality, you really mean...
Your anger is misplaced and appears to be driven by frustration.
Calm down...

Sep 24, 2016
Whydening Gyre offered
Your'e "scale" is too constrained
Pardon nah, few cross wires here

Important issue by far ! Current Rate of Change (RoC) especially since Industrial Revolution, the rate is unprecedented in All of geological history & from what we know of specific heat shows utterly *Massive* (with a capital M) heat buildup over very short Geo time scales, means a Huge amount of energy which (so far) has nil indication of abating ie still up :/

Especially important given Sol's decline ~last decade - ie If (and expected soon) Sol's insolation rises WITH increasing GHG effect we are in for a triple whammy; Increased CO2 plus increased H2O as consequence re Psychrometry & Increased Insolation (cyclical) together with decreased albedo aggregates to even more heat for us in the very neat future 10-25years ie Worse !

The RoC is key factor, please see AAP's post & check out 2nd derivative meaning

Anything ! giving ammunition to deniers isnt helpful :/

TBC

Sep 24, 2016
The deniers are no different than people who read every article about cancer - and piss on the scientists who are doing this work. Side with goracle if that is your wish. Hope you are not surprised if it gets a response from me. Hope that is clear.
-- onion jackass
The consummate Chicken Little jackass brays. Just imagine this jackass claims to know the science, yet he boasts about his recent 2 day, 1200 mile, CO2 spewing jaunt, in which he emitted over a tenth of the US annual average. Further to his hubris, he has the audacity to come here and bray at the heretics, while ignoring his own hypocrisy.

Sep 24, 2016

Important issue by far ! Current Rate of Change (RoC) especially since Industrial Revolution, the rate is unprecedented in All of geological history & from what we know of specific heat shows utterly *Massive* (with a capital M) heat buildup over very short Geo time scales, means a Huge amount of energy which (so far) has nil indication of abating ie still up :/

Especially important given Sol's decline ~last decade - ie If (and expected soon) Sol's insolation rises WITH increasing GHG effect we are in for a triple whammy; Increased CO2 plus increased H2O as consequence re Psychrometry & Increased Insolation (cyclical) together with decreased albedo aggregates to even more heat for us in the very neat future 10-25years ie Worse !

The RoC is key factor, please see AAP's post & check out 2nd derivative meaning

Anything ! giving ammunition to deniers isnt helpful :/

TBC

Point taken, Mike...

Sep 24, 2016
Lies about global warming disaster would form a hockey stick graph.

Sep 24, 2016
... such as saying we have been in a warming environment for 10,000 years. This is factually incorrect. Look carefully at all 3 graphs - and you will see that they all indicate cooling for about 5,000 years - until around 150 yeas ago - and the hockey stick appears.

Both AAP's chart and the first one you showed me indicate a gradual warming over the last 10k yrs. With AAP's showing a very slight cooling trend beginning around 1000AD.
Agreed, the "Hockey Stick" does show up around 150 yrs ago.
It's just that panic on your part does not get the potential problem solved.
Mitigating it might not be possible. ADAPTing to it is...

Sep 25, 2016
Can we see your data phil - such lies should be easy to counter for you....
--onion retard
Can we see your gasoline and power bill, jackass? Your shameless hypocrisy is so easy to counter for you.

Sep 25, 2016
When you mix big government money in science with ideology, fame and 'publish or perish' you get corrupted scientists. There are more and more articles in recent years documenting that many accepted science 'facts' are frauds. There is an article in Scientific America documenting how the FDA and other federal agencies involved in science are creating a cadre of 'journalists' that they can control by giving them first access to stories involving their agencies. That article also documented how such agencies feed half-truths to 'outsider' journalists to throw them off.

Not to go all biblical but the corruption of science is a symptom of an increasingly corrupt society. While there are plenty of bad apples out there leading us down the path of destruction the ultimate blame is a corrupted populace. All civilizations die and it seems that ours is due.

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