Goods manufactured in China not good for the environment, study finds

September 28, 2015, University of California, Irvine
A coal-fired power station in rural Zhejiang Province, China. Steven J. Davis (2015)

In a study published today in the journal Nature Climate Change, scientists from three universities show that products made in China are associated with significantly higher carbon dioxide emissions than the same products made elsewhere.

"The amazing increase in Chinese over the past 15 years has driven the world economy to new heights and supplied consumers in with tremendous quantities of lower-cost goods," said co-author Steven J. Davis, an assistant professor of Earth system science at the University of California, Irvine. "But all of this has come at substantial cost to the environment."

The researchers, also from Harvard University and the University of Maryland, attribute China's high emissions intensity - the quantity of CO2 emitted per dollar of goods produced - to the nation's antiquated manufacturing processes and reliance on coal.

"The CO2 emissions related to China's exports are large not just because they export a lot of stuff or because they specialize in energy-demanding industries, but because their manufacturing technologies are less advanced and they rely primarily on coal for energy," said co-author Klaus Hubacek, a University of Maryland professor of geographical sciences.

In an earlier study, UCI's Davis showed that developed countries were outsourcing both jobs and the problem of industrial pollution by having products manufactured in low-wage economies like China's. This new work goes a step further to demonstrate that consumption of Chinese-made goods by consumers in advanced economies is potentially accelerating global , a problem without national borders.

For this study, researchers paid particular attention to Chinese regions with high emissions intensity. Steel mills, mineral processors and petrochemical plants in Guizhou, Inner Mongolia, Ningxia, Yunnan and Shanxi are China's dirtiest industries. Davis and his colleagues suggest that developed countries could do a lot to alleviate carbon pollution by helping improve manufacturing processes in these areas.

"This analysis can help policymakers in China and internationally identify the industries and provinces in which efforts to promote less energy-intensive manufacturing equipment and practices would have the largest leverage to reduce CO2 emissions," said lead author Zhu Liu, a research associate at Harvard and a Resnick Prize postdoctoral scholar at the California Institute of Technology. "Given the differences we observed within industries and across provinces in China, many opportunities would involve creating incentives to promote the adoption of Chinese best practices."

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More information: Targeted opportunities to address the climate-trade dilemma in China, DOI: 10.1038/nclimate2800

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Milou
5 / 5 (1) Sep 28, 2015
In the end we always pay the real price of owning a product. This is were we individually have control of our environment. And, I end up paying a lot for my products.
Steve 200mph Cruiz
5 / 5 (2) Sep 28, 2015
One more reason to buy American, Japanese, and European.
Osiris1
3 / 5 (2) Sep 28, 2015
Yesterday there was Harvard developing a new fuel cell and promptly gave license to a FOREIGN manufacturer, in Europe..Russia?... to manufacture it.. USA taxpayers subsidy to develope FOREIGN!! JOBS.
There is that name now AGAIN, Harvard University, again advocating the use of American taxpayer dollars to 'improve Chinese manufacturing'!!! Why, so they can take away MORE of our jobs?? Those jobs should be brought back here by getting rid of 'free trade' once and for all; and bringing back really stiff TARIFFS to stop forever the idea of our quality workers having to compete with slave labor producing shoddy goods in filthy places riven by disease. Besides, did you readers know that all money paid for Chinese slave goods goes to buy ammunitions and armaments for its armies to kill American troops in a war in the near future?, besides having the blood of slaves and child slaves at that on it??!
ab3a
4.7 / 5 (3) Sep 28, 2015
This is a Faustian bargain that China has made because they didn't develop their economy while everyone else was. They instead imploded with a Communist dictator.

Unfortunately, the process of bootstrapping an economy the size of what they have will bring around a lot of pollution. There is no nice way to to do this yet. We do not have bootstrap technologies for the next generation of economies. However, if they're serious about nuclear power from thorium, they may just leapfrog us.

What the hell, we've had that opportunity since the 1960s and we walked away from it. Now China is looking back at Thorium power. I hope they actually go ahead with it and show leadership of both parties here in the US that innovation doesn't know boundaries.
gkam
1.6 / 5 (7) Sep 28, 2015
Nukes are SO Twentieth Century!

And they still have to find ways to deal with the nasty intensely-radioactive waste materials they produce. So far, we are counting on just leaving it to our kids and grandkids, and all succeeding generations, essentially forever in Human terms.

How about if we make them stop using nukes until they find a way to deal with the waste?
ab3a
5 / 5 (4) Sep 28, 2015
@gkam, You have so little faith in the future that you simply can't imagine that someone will find a use for those "waste-products"? You, who suggested that our landfills of today may be the resource mines of tomorrow? You, who think the toxicity and volume of coal ash are unacceptable? You, who can't tolerate fracking for natural gas? You, who won't consider the entire energy and byproducts in the lifecycle of building a solar cell?

So tell us all, which technologies is China supposed to use to build their economy --according to you? What alternatives do they have?
Shootist
1 / 5 (2) Sep 29, 2015
Goods manufactured in China not good for the environment, study finds


Better a billion and a half people live a subsistence lifestyle
gkam
1.5 / 5 (8) Sep 29, 2015
China is probably doing what it can for now, having put themselves into a terrible place with previous decisions. Look up who makes most of the PV panels, who has planted the most trees, who has pushed wind power.

Having made IC's, I understand the waste products of PV panels. As for using nuclear waste, we can continue to do everything we can, but for two generations we have been trying and promising, . . . and failing.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 29, 2015
Having made IC's, I understand the waste products of PV panels. As for using nuclear waste, we can continue to do everything we can, but for two generations we have been trying and promising, . . . and failing
Come on george. Nobody here believes your long list of 6 month temp jobs has given you an adequate understanding of much of anything.

You've more than convinced us with the sorry content of your posts.

Remember, pretending to know is not the same thing as knowing.
Uncle Ira
3.3 / 5 (7) Sep 29, 2015
Having made IC's, I understand the waste products of PV panels.


@ glam-Skippy. How you are Cher? I am good, thanks for asking.

Cher, don't take this the wrong way, but you really do have the serious mental conditions. Maybe Otto-Skippy can help you figure out how to fix that. But my mother would be ashamed with me for picking on the handicapped peoples so I don't think I will try to help you anymore. Unless you come back begging for it.

I am building me the antenna analyzer for testing my homebrewed antennas. With the arduino that will go between the antenna I am working on and my computer laptop. It's pretty neat and costs hundreds of dollars less than the one I would have to buy to do the same things.

That is why I haven't had a whole bunch of time to fool around with you lately. Now it is because of your mental conditions. So you take care Cher and try to get better soon.
Uncle Ira
3.7 / 5 (6) Sep 29, 2015
P.S. for everybody.

All my parts for the arduino based antenna analyzer come from China. Well actually they come to me from Amazon who gets them from China. They only cost 1/10 as much as the ones that come from Texas or California and work just as good.
gkam
2.1 / 5 (7) Sep 29, 2015
Yup, Ira is happy to sell us out to save a buck, even if things from China pollute the world much more than stuff from here, made by folks who pay taxes here, supporting our schools and roads and churches and towns.

Meanwhile, because of him and Wal*Mart, we are going into a feudalistic economy.

Save that buck, Ira, but do not blame anybody but yourself when things get so bad there are no more tourists.
Uncle Ira
3.3 / 5 (7) Sep 29, 2015
Yup, Ira is happy to sell us out to save a buck, even if things from China pollute the world much more than stuff from here, made by folks who pay taxes here, supporting our schools and roads and churches and towns.


Skippy, I pay my taxes me. I pay the same fuel taxes that you do for building the roads. And I pay the property taxes what pay for the schools here in Louisiana. And I pay the local taxes for the towns.

But I do not and will not pay no taxes to support the churches. I don't even think it is legal to make those kinds of taxes.

Save that buck, Ira, but do not blame anybody but yourself when things get so bad there are no more tourists.


How the heck does me buying a China made electronic component from Amazon have any effect on tourists coming here or anywhere else? I don't think the China peoples bring them over them selfs every time I order something from Amazon, but I might be wrong about that one.
ab3a
5 / 5 (3) Sep 29, 2015
China is probably doing what it can for now, having put themselves into a terrible place with previous decisions. Look up who makes most of the PV panels, who has planted the most trees, who has pushed wind power.


And how much of their energy comes from that?

TheGhostofOtto1923
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 30, 2015
you really do have the serious mental conditions. Maybe Otto-Skippy can help you figure out how to fix that
Probably not possible.

"What makes psychopaths different from all others is the remarkable ease with which they lie, the pervasiveness of their deception, and the callousness with which they carry it out.

"... you can NOT hurt their feelings because they don't have any!

"Psychopaths are notorious for not answering the questions asked them. They will answer something else, or in such a way that the direct question is never addressed..."

"One of the basic assumptions of psychotherapy is that the patient needs and wants help for distressing or painful psychological and emotional problems. The psychopath does not think that they have any psychological or emotional problems, and they see no reason to change their behavior to conform to standards with which they do not agree."

-IMO

-Society needs to be protected from them and the damage they do.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 30, 2015
Therapy for psychopaths can cause more problems than it solves.

"They are well-satisfied with themselves and their inner landscape. They see nothing wrong with they way they think or act, and they never look back with regret or forward with concern. They perceive themselves as superior beings in a hostile world in which others are competitors for power and resources. They feel it is the optimum thing to do to manipulate and deceive others in order to obtain what they want.

"Most therapy programs only provide them with new excuses for their behavior as well as new insights into the vulnerabilities of others. Through psychotherapy, they learn new and better ways of manipulating. What they do NOT do is make any effort to change their own views and attitudes."
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 30, 2015
A case study...

"One particular psychopath studied by Hare... The prison psychiatrist had written in his record: "He has made good progress… He appears more concerned about others and to have lost much of his criminal thinking."

"Two years later, Hare's staff member interviewed the man... Psychopaths, if they know that they won't be penalized for what they express, are very happy to boast about their prowess in deceiving others. The man, assessed above by his prison psychiatrist as having made such remarkable improvement, was described by Hare's staffer as "the most terrifying offender she had ever met and that he openly boasted about how he had conned the prison staff into thinking that he was well on the road to rehabilitation. "I can't believe those guys," he said. "Who gave them a license to practice? I wouldn't let them psychoanalyze my dog! He'd shit all over them just like I did."

"In other words: they are born that way and you can't fix them."
gkam
1.7 / 5 (6) Sep 30, 2015
otto, your problem is obvious to all of us. It seems to dominate all your posts, and y9ou are unable to stop it.

We can all see your assertions are cries for help, but we are not the people who can help you.

Go to a help line or something. If you had served, you could walk into a Vet Center, but you stay-at-home patriots can't use it. In California, Reagan did away with the mental hospitals, and put the people out on the streets, where they still live today, so that's out.

Aren't you in Britain, where help is free? Why are you not seeking it?
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 30, 2015
Sorry Im too busy correcting your lies and fabrications, like the one here you posted in the last 24 hours.
http://phys.org/n...ure.html

-You lie about the big things as well as the small ones, like the one about your MS degree in environmental management. You took great pains to prove that was a lie, strange behavior indeed for any normal person.

How come?

Did you really think ira was too stupid to notice the difference?

"What makes psychopaths different from all others is the remarkable ease with which they lie, the pervasiveness of their deception, and the callousness with which they carry it out."

-IMO you exhibit all ther symptoms of an ordinary, unremarkable and rather untalented psychopath.

But the physorg community must nevertheless be kept informed. Myself and others will continue to dog you and expose every lie and make you look like the ass that you are, even if you are incapable of seeing i
gkam
1.7 / 5 (6) Sep 30, 2015
Read my previous comment.

You really do need help.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 30, 2015
Read my previous comment.

You really do need help.
I did.

Youre a liar, a fabricator, and a cheat.

And anyone who reads your shit for any length of time can see this as well.

This is because youre not nearly as clever as you think you are.
SteveL
2.3 / 5 (3) Oct 02, 2015
@TheGhostofOtto1923, your earlier posted descriptions of a psychopath seem incredibly accurate for nearly every politician I have known of from any side of the political aisle over the last 40 years.
gkam
1 / 5 (5) Oct 04, 2015
Do any of you remember how we got here, with China holding a TRILLION US dollars? It was very early in the Dubya Administration, and the Chinese Commies forced one of our highly-classified electronic aircraft down on one of its islands. Bush got all huffy, threatened the Chinese, but then got a phone call from Brother Marvin Bush, in China with the US Chamber of Commerce, to cut those deals for Wal Mart which would fill our landfills a decade later.

Dubya not only gave up the self-righteous stand, not only gave in, but we actually publicly APOLOGIZED to the Chinese, and let then get at our secret equipment, so Marvin and Wal Mart could get REALLY rich!!
SteveL
4 / 5 (4) Oct 11, 2015
@gkam, Um, you trying to re-write history to fit a particular agenda? Commie-Mart was dealing with China and was importing approx 40% of their products from Asia by 1985. By the mid 90's they were practically forcing manufacturers to outsource from there, which was several years before Dubya came along in January, 2001. Once you post bad info once, the rest gets suspect rather quickly.

And as for Marvin Bush getting "REALLY rich!!" How is the entire family wealth (Per Forbes) of $60 million all that incredible, especially when GHWB is worth $25 mil himself? Interesting that you concern yourself with the Bush millions and yet Soros' $24.5 billion personal wealth gets a pass? Remember; Soros is the one who is socialist and claims to believe in wealth redistribution. Well, he doesn't seem to be distributing his all that much. But you give him a pass, despite the fact that what he does in no way reflects what he says.

I'm having difficulty believing anything you post.
gkam
1 / 5 (5) Oct 11, 2015
Soros never apologized to the Chinese for a crime they committed, and did not allow them to get our classified technology.

Did you check the apology?
Estevan57
4 / 5 (4) Oct 12, 2015
Japan also holds a trillion U.S. dollars of debt, are you worried about that too? You shouldn't be.

China has found that US treasury securities offer the safest investment destination for Chinese forex reserves. They provide stability to an evolving economy and easy liquidity.

China has just completed a major sale of secured debt to finance the bailout of its stock market, reducing its foreign exchange holdings by 94 billion. So they sold our debt to support their own. Thats the way economies work.

http://www.invest...onds.asp

http://money.cnn....us-debt/

https://en.wikipe...d_States

You should look into the reasons countries acquire each others' debt. You need the education.
Estevan57
4 / 5 (4) Oct 12, 2015
Bush apologized for the loss of a Chinese pilots' life and for our plane landing without clearance.
The same would be required of China had they entered our airspace, collided with our airplane, and landed without clearance. Get some perspective.

"Both President Bush and Secretary of State Powell have expressed their sincere regret over your missing pilot and aircraft. Please convey to the Chinese people and to the family of pilot Wang Wei that we are very sorry for their loss."
"We are very sorry the entering of China's airspace and the landing did not have verbal clearance, but very pleased the crew landed safely. We appreciate China's efforts to see to the well-being of our crew."

In the idiom of the Chinese language, this is not a complete apology by any means.
However, in English it appears to be much more so. That was the diplomatic compromise.

http://www.thegua...ina.usa2
gkam
1 / 5 (5) Oct 12, 2015
"Bush apologized for the loss of a Chinese pilots' life and for our plane landing without clearance. The same would be required of China had they entered our airspace, collided with our airplane, and landed without clearance. Get some perspective."
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Get some smarts or some experience in unarmed aerial reconnaissance, which was our mission in Igloo White. The plane was forced down by a collision with a Chinese fighter. We held them off the plane for a long time, but Bush gave in. China got both our money and the secrets of our electronic intelligence.

It was a complete apology and issued in English, and I watched it, as it was given by the military. And it was one of the most disgusting acts of cowardice I have seen.
gkam
1 / 5 (5) Oct 12, 2015
Estevan, airborne electronic reconnaissance is a dangerous game, played by rules. The Chinese broke the rules by harassing the four-engine cargo-type aircraft, until it hit it, forcing it to land or go into the sea.

The equipment is most important. In our group, we were told the electronic technicians would be last out of the aircraft in an emergency, as they had to stay to chop up the classified equipment with fire axes. I think you do not understand the compromise of our technology and intelligence in this affair.

Intelligence games are dangerous, as we lost 22 of us "non-combatants" in the war, and 33 before that in "normal operations".
Estevan57
4 / 5 (4) Oct 16, 2015
You may have watched it live, but don't quite recognize it when QUOTED.

The link was to the complete document, had you read it you wouldn't look so stupid.

" We held them off the plane for a long time, but Bush gave in." - gskam

Bush must have given up pretty fast because the crew was out of the plane in 15 minutes after landing. Were they supposed to starve to death in their airplane?

The letter was delivered by the United States Ambassador Joseph Prueher to Foreign Minister Tang Jiaxuan of the People's Republic of China to defuse the incident. There was not an official military response to the incident. There was no official on air reading of this letter.

United States paid for the 11 days of food and lodging supplied by the Chinese government to the aircraft's crew, in the amount of $34,000. We were asked for one million in U.S. dollars, but REFUSED.

https://en.wikipe...incident

You just make it up don't you? Dumbass.
gkam
1 / 5 (5) Oct 18, 2015
"You just make it up don't you? Dumbass."
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Nope. You got your stuff from Fox, probably. Listen, Toots, out group did electronic recon in the Vietnam War. It is more important and serious than you may understand. I guess I will have to look it up for you. I was very sensitive about what happened, because it used to be us.

Maybe I will have to school you about KAL 007 and KAL 015,as well, and how Reagan and Bill Casey almost got us into a shooting war with the Soviet Union with that stupid stunt.

"There was no official on air reading of this letter."

I saw it myself. You did not. As I said, I was in one of those outfits, and you were not.
gkam
1 / 5 (5) Oct 18, 2015
Este seems to like that word "Dumbass". I guess he got it at home.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.4 / 5 (5) Oct 18, 2015
@TheGhostofOtto1923, your earlier posted descriptions of a psychopath seem incredibly accurate for nearly every politician I have known of from any side of the political aisle over the last 40 years.
"We are not commonly aware of, nor do we usually identify, the larger number of nonviolent sociopaths among us, people who often are not blatant lawbreakers, and against whom our formal legal system provides little defense.

"Those who have no conscience at all are a group unto themselves, whether they be homicidal tyrants or merely ruthless social snipers.

"What distinguishes all of these people from the rest of us is an utterly empty hole in the psyche, where there should be the most evolved of all humanizing functions."

-And what luck! Weve got an active one here that we can poke and prod at our leisure
@gkam, Um, you trying to re-write history to fit a particular agenda?
Well of course. He feels he has the right to do so.
Estevan57
4 / 5 (4) Oct 19, 2015
So gkam, what outfit were you in when this occurred in 2001? None.

Liar. (And a dumbass).

I usually get my news from Reuters, BBC news, and Associated Press.
gkam
2 / 5 (4) Oct 19, 2015
Estevan knows all about electronic reconnaissance from airborne platforms.

I'll bet he could not tell a KW-7 from an ARC-89.

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