Are weak values quantum? Don't bet on it

September 24, 2014 by Erin Bow, Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics
This image shows how the result of a coin toss can be 100 heads. First, you preselect on heads. Then, a friend performs a weak measurement and occasionally flips the coin. When the coin comes back tails, then you calculate (using the mathematical steps in Ferrie and Combes' paper) what your friend measured. The calculation says they measured 100 heads, not just heads! Credit: Joshua Combes, Christopher Ferrie, Elizabeth Goheen

( —New work asserts that a key technique used to probe quantum systems may not be so quantum after all, according to Perimeter postdoctoral researcher Joshua Combes and his colleague Christopher Ferrie.

Over the past 20 years, a strange idea called a "weak value" has taken root in .

Many of the things you can do with quantum technologies entail being able to gain information from quantum systems. But there is a quantum conundrum: we can't say what a particle is doing when we're not looking at it, but when we do look at it, we change its behaviour.

But what if we could look "a little"? Well, that's a , a concept which is central to the notion of a weak value. The basic idea of weak measurement is to gain a little bit of information about a quantum system by only disturbing it a little bit; by doing this many times, one can ultimately gain quite a bit of information about the system. Weak measurements have applications in quantum information technologies such as quantum feedback control and quantum communications.

Obtaining a weak value involves taking a weak measurement of a particle. It also – counterintuitively – depends on throwing out the majority of the results, carefully selecting only a few to keep in an effort to screen out particles which were knocked off-course by the act of measurement.

In this way, researchers believe they can gradually build up a picture of the typical behaviour of particles even between measurements. When these carefully gathered and screened measurements produce something unexpected and (apparently) quantum, that's called a weak value. Weak values are a whole new window into the quantum world.

Unless, of course, they're not. What if weak values aren't quantum at all?

"We're skeptical of the whole field," says Joshua Combes. Combes is a postdoctoral fellow at Perimeter and the University of Waterloo's Institute for Quantum Computing (IQC), and he has just published a Physical Review Letters paper critical of weak measurement.

"On the one hand, the quantum world can be weird, of course," he says. "But on the other hand, we need to work carefully to distinguish between genuinely quantum effects and effects that can be replicated classically."

In the new paper, Combes worked with Christopher Ferrie of the University of New Mexico on just such a problem: finding a classical analogue of a weak value presented in the field's seminal paper.

In the original paper, Yakir Aharonov (now a Distinguished Visiting Research Chair at Perimeter), David Albert, and Lev Vaidman laid down the principles of weak measurement, arguing for the power of extracting only a "little bit" of information from each measurement, and for throwing most of that away. Their procedure went something like this.

Say you want to measure the spin of some particles. You would prepare particles in some particular state, say spin up, throwing away the data from particles that are spin down. This is called "pre-selection." Later, you would detect the particles in a final state, again throwing away those that aren't in a desired state. This is called "post-selection."

You also make a measurement in between, but in the quantum world, any measurement has the potential to disrupt the system. Aharonov et al argued that you should measure the spin as gently – as weakly – as possible. This measurement is by nature imprecise, so you must then average over a large number of trials.

By cleverly combining pre-selection, post-selection, and weak measurement, Aharonov and colleagues invented a new and apparently fundamentally quantum way of measuring quantum properties. Their landmark 1988 paper is called, "How the measurement of a component of the spin of a spin ½ particle can turn out to be 100." The weak value is the spin quantity that is equal to 100.

A particle whose spin should be either +½ or -½ having a spin of 100? Combes and Ferrie wouldn't put money on that.

Facing the field's giants head on, they outline a parallel process – the same pre-selection, post-selection, and weak measurement – to show that you can get the same odd result out of the world's simplest random system: a coin flip. As a poke in the eye, they call their paper: "How the result of a single coin toss can turn out to be 100 heads."

Combes demonstrates. He has you flip coins, then hand him only the coins that come up heads, without telling him what you got. (That's pre-selection.) He glances at each coin too quickly to be entirely sure what it says. (That's weak measurement.) Some percentage of the time, he gives each coin a nudge, which might occasionally flip it. (Even a weak measurement can sometimes disturb a quantum system, and the nudge imitates that.) Finally, he hands it back to you. If it's heads, the trial is discarded (that's the post-selection step); if it comes back tails, he asks you to predict what he measured.

It seems straightforward when the coin is in front of you: if it's tails, you would intuitively predict he probably saw heads (since you only handed him coins that came up heads). In the paper, Ferrie and Combes outline the mathematics of your prediction step-by-step using the same sequence of operations that resulted in Aharonov et al's weak value. The bizarre result? If the coin comes back to you showing tails, after performing the same math, you too would predict that he measured it as reading 100 heads.

The quantum calculations performed by Aharonov et al to get that strange 100 result are highly technical; what's important, say Combes and Ferrie, is that when the same calculations are done classically, they give the same bizarre result.

"If you don't find that convincing, then why would you find the quantum equivalent of that convincing?" asks Combes.

Quantum effects can sometimes be strange. But, as the authors write, "Where a classical explanation exists, no quantum explanation is required. This is the guiding principle of quantum foundations research."

The authors believe that anomalous values found via weak measurement are not a truly quantum effect, but an artifact of classical statistics and classical disturbances. As any fan of mathematical puzzles could tell you, problems based on who knows what and when can produce surprising results. The Monty Hall problem is the most famous example, and it tricks game show contestants and mathematics professors alike.

"Statistics can fool you," says Combes. "We think this particular weak value puzzle is a statistical question, not a fundamentally quantum question. There might be something genuinely quantum about weak values, but to my eye that's not clear yet."

Reflecting on the central paradox of weak values – that by measuring things somewhat precisely, we can build up a better picture of the – Combes gets philosophical.

"Don't get me wrong: mystery is great," he says. "I want there to be mystery – that's why I'm in this field. But shouldn't we be trying to get to the bottom of things, rather than making them more mysterious than they really are? I think we need to carefully question what weak values really tell us. Chris and I are hoping this paper will spark some of that questioning."

That, at least, seems like a very good bet.

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5 / 5 (3) Sep 24, 2014
I love it when this kind of paper comes out! I can't wait to see the feathers fly when those whose ox just got gored try to rebut these guys.
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not rated yet Sep 25, 2014
Reading both papers, the problem seems obviously two-fold.

- Their "bit-flip channel" is only weak in a statistical sense, not in the weak sense of low momentum (eq. 4 of Abrahamov et al). Their momentum for flip is as large as the flip selections!

- They calculate a Monty Hall statistic instead of the weak measurement observable (no flip in their low-bit flip channel).

Meanwhile people have performed weak measurements, consistent with quantum and not classical mechanics, so I don't see how they would impute a problem in any case.

@arom: Trolling your personal theories isn't useful (like science is). The mechanism for quantum mechanics is - quantum mechanics. It is well understood as far as mechanics go, much more so than classical mechanics (more and more precise tested).
Sep 25, 2014
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1 / 5 (1) Sep 27, 2014
For a large enough sample quantum effects will always average into a classical view. One interesting example of QM in the real world was an icing study by the LA FSDO pilots. It turned out ice acretion obeys QM instead of what previous icing studies collapsed the water state into. Small ice to small surface is how water behaves in the wild.
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