British scientist in climate row admits 'awful' emails

Mar 02, 2010
File photo shows smoke belching from a power plant on the outskirts of Linfen, in China's Shanxi province, regarded as one of the cities with the worst air pollution in the world. A British climate researcher at the centre of a row over global warming science has admitted he wrote some "pretty awful" emails to sceptics when he was refusing their requests for data.

A British climate researcher at the centre of a row over global warming science has admitted he wrote some "pretty awful" emails to sceptics when he was refusing their requests for data.

But Phil Jones, of the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit, defended Monday his decision not to release the data about temperatures from around the world, saying it was not "standard practice" to do so.

"I have obviously written some pretty awful emails," Jones told British lawmakers in response to a question about a message he sent to a sceptic in which he refused to release data saying he believed it would be misused.

The admission from the scientist, who has stood aside as director of the climate centre while investigations take place, came at a parliamentary hearing in Britain into the scandal.

The leading research centre came under fire ahead of key in Copenhagen in December, after more than 1,000 emails and 3,000 other documents were hacked from the university's server and posted online.

Sceptics claimed they showed evidence scientists were manipulating climate data in a bid to exaggerate the case for manmade global warming as world leaders met to try and strike a new accord on .

Jones -- who has said the fallout from the affair prompted him to consider suicide -- had referred in one private to a "trick" being employed to massage temperature statistics to "hide the decline".

He has since insisted the emails had been taken out of context and labelled allegations that he sought to exaggerate warming evidence as "complete rubbish."

Defending his attempts Monday not to release some of the data requested, Jones said it was publicly available in the United States, adding scientific journals which published his papers had never asked to see it.

The academic also said the unit struggled after being hit by a "deluge" of requests for data last July, made under freedom of information legislation.

Eighty percent of the data used to create a series of average global temperatures showing the world was getting warmer had been released, said the scientist.

Jones also insisted the scientific findings on climate change were robust and verifiable.

The parliamentary hearing is just one of the investigations into the scandal, dubbed "climategate" in the British media, and it looked specifically at the disclosure of data from the unit.

A different independent probe is examining allegations researchers manipulated data, while another will look into the science produced by the unit.

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deatopmg
2.7 / 5 (12) Mar 02, 2010
Half the story here! Jones also said that there has been no statistically significant global warming OR cooling for the past 15 yrs. That is, since 1995! A significant about face from his previous position but, is it that whole truth or not? Anything Jones says holds no water, anymore. He has made himself irrelevant with the help of releases like this one.

Jones says, reported here, that he refused to release the requested data (under FOI) because it was available in the US is more BS because the CRU data was NOT available in the US, only NASA/GISS and NOAA data. UNLESS, he is saying that it is all the same data? If so, then that is an admission of collusion between the 3 organizations who wrote the scientific sic portion of the IPCC reports!

A half truth (or half of the story) is as good as a lie.
Loodt
2.3 / 5 (15) Mar 02, 2010
Jones stated that ...scientific journals which published his papers had never asked to see it...

And this is the robust peer-reviewed science we must blindly accept and follow!

This is further proof that AGW rests on thin science and is a religion.
JayK
2 / 5 (16) Mar 02, 2010
Denialists:
"And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing."

Nothing to add, nothing to say, but using a lot of words to say it.
deatopmg
2.2 / 5 (10) Mar 02, 2010
@JayK
only ALL the facts not just the cherry picked ones.
ormondotvos
4 / 5 (8) Mar 02, 2010
What's the overlap between creationists, intelligent designers, and climate deniers?

Just askin... since those are the most egregious of the data manipulators.
freethinking
2.2 / 5 (13) Mar 02, 2010
Deatopmg, JayK is a leftist progress, facts dont matter to him. He feels there is AGW, so proving to him that his prophets are wrong, wont change his mind. Instead he will call you names, and demand you to prove that something doesnt exist.
ormondotvos
2.8 / 5 (11) Mar 02, 2010
Karl Rove learned from Goebbels the Big Lie technique now espoused by the deniers: Lie big, Lie often, never argue.

I wonder how their kids are gonna feel about the wreck of a planet they're advocating, in absentia of their due care for the future.

The deniers present NO alternatives, they ignore pollution, have no sympathy for the billions who would be terrorized by starvation.

It's all about their phony politics, which they can't even discuss intelligently.

I kinda hate them.
Truth
3.6 / 5 (8) Mar 02, 2010
I've been freezing my butt off down here in of all places, Orlando, Florida, for the past two months. This years definitely has been the coldest and longest lasting winter I've ever experienced in the Sunshine State. The rest of the U.S. hasn't fared much better either this winter, what with all the blizzards and snow storms. Not sure about all this global warming stuff, but I say, if it feels cold, looks cold and blows cold, it's COLD!
JayK
2.6 / 5 (10) Mar 02, 2010
Proving me wrong would require proof. I haven't seen any of that, except for bald faced lies and unreasonable assertions that don't hold up to data and truth. Do you happen to have any data, there, unfreethinking?

@Truth: The US is experiencing repeated cold weather patterns while the rest of the globe is experiencing hotter temperatures: http://www.metoff...hart.jpg
GaryB
3 / 5 (8) Mar 02, 2010
I've been freezing my butt off down here in of all places, Orlando, Florida, . . . Not sure about all this global warming stuff, but I say, if it feels cold, looks cold and blows cold, it's COLD!


You are aware are you not that one of the key predictions of global warming is greater variance in weather? That would mean **colder** winters and **hotter** summers but on averaging out to warmer. It's like saying "Kentucky hasn't had an earth quake in a long time, where's this continental drift those scientist keep talking about?".
croghan27
5 / 5 (4) Mar 03, 2010
I've been freezing my butt off down here in of all places, Orlando, Florida, for the past two months. This years definitely has been the coldest and longest lasting winter I've ever experienced in the Sunshine State. The rest of the U.S. hasn't fared much better either this winter, what with all the blizzards and snow storms. Not sure about all this global warming stuff, but I say, if it feels cold, looks cold and blows cold, it's COLD!


I am here in Ottawa, Canada. Now Ottawa is, on average, 4 degrees cooler than (the famous) Moscow during the winter.

Cold Ottawa right now is +3 degrees C (close to 40F) and has been for a week.

Guess when they say climate CHANGE - they mean CHANGE.
mary_hinge
4 / 5 (8) Mar 03, 2010
To see what climate septics really think once you remove their smoke and mirrors read this,House Concurrent Resolution 1009 from South Dakota http://legis.stat...009P.htm
This bill is to teach our schoolkids alternatives to AGW, incuding, wait for it, ASTROLOGY!! Also included is 'thermology??!!
If you can't see the parallels between the AGW septics methodology and creationists then.....
Just goes to show that if Intelligent Design was sponsored by oil companies then all our evolutionary text books would have been burned to the great deity Palin to be substituted by Jehovah's witness and other crackpot religious books.
The anti-science movement must not be allowed to win, especially when they have issued death threats and want to teach astrology in classrooms.
croghan27
3.8 / 5 (5) Mar 03, 2010
Could not agree more, Mary ---- but here is good 'ol Canada we have a member of the government that publically brags he doubts any kind of climate change is happening (and he is not connected to an coal/oil company) and (get this) a Minister in charge of science and technology that ... is a believer in ID.
freethinking
1.9 / 5 (9) Mar 03, 2010
When you catch AGW believers, their prophets lying, misleading, producing poor science, are still to believe them, bow down to them, give our money to them, sacrifice our way of life to them?

AGW, Astrology, UFO believers, have the same thing in common. No facts, no proof, but a lot of crazy followers.
mary_hinge
3.7 / 5 (7) Mar 03, 2010
I find it hard to stop laughing when a member of the religious right such as freethinking attempts to demean something they don't understand by using religion, the very backbone of the big oil climate sceptic clan!!
frenchie
2.9 / 5 (8) Mar 03, 2010
I've been freezing my butt off down here in of all places, Orlando, Florida, for the past two months. This years definitely has been the coldest and longest lasting winter I've ever experienced in the Sunshine State. The rest of the U.S. hasn't fared much better either this winter, what with all the blizzards and snow storms. Not sure about all this global warming stuff, but I say, if it feels cold, looks cold and blows cold, it's COLD!


AHAHHAHAHHAHAHAH. i can't stop laughing i'm sorry. This is just too incredible for people to use as proof that there is no climate change (which is interesting since they prove the change is present).

OMG HUGE SNOW STORM! can't be climate change!

as for freethinking, he's a typical extreme right hypocrite, just ignore him and come to the moderate side!
freethinking
1.9 / 5 (9) Mar 03, 2010
I wish I was a part of the big oil climate gang. Then at least I can make some money off of the whole AGW plan.

Follow the money, who has made money on AGW? Al Gore and the rest of the climate gang.

Its funny the reaction of the AGW crowd when they are caught in lies, mis-statement of facts, the poor science, and the manipulation of science.

Mary Unhinged and frenchie, you can stop laughing. This has nothing to do with the religious right, but with the false religion of AGW
JayK
3 / 5 (6) Mar 03, 2010
Someone was caught in lies? Where? I'd sure like to see an actual citation of that, other than just a repeated statement as fact.
Loodt
2 / 5 (8) Mar 03, 2010
JayK,

Were you snowed in, cut-off from the outside world during one of coldest winters on record, or did you just wake up from your annual hibernation?

None so blind as those who don't want to see!
JayK
2.6 / 5 (5) Mar 03, 2010
Loodt, January 2010 was almost the warmest one on record. The United States is not the globe. I'm sure your wittiness will be rewarded, however.

Next time, you might want to look for evidence of your assertions, otherwise it would only take a few links to make you look bad:

http://www.ncdc.n...t+Report

http://climatepro...warming/

http://climatepro...science/

mary_hinge
4 / 5 (4) Mar 03, 2010

Mary Unhinged and frenchie, you can stop laughing. This has nothing to do with the religious right, but with the false religion of AGW

ha ha ha ha ha haa please stop...you're killingme...ha ha ha haha haha
You expect us to stop laughing when you carry on the ol' religious nonsence.I'm glad |I'm wearing my corset, I fear my sides will split open otherwise...ha ha ha hahaha ha ha stop pleae...hahahaha
freethinking
2 / 5 (8) Mar 03, 2010
So are these temperatures measured by stations that have been removed, or the ones that have been setup incorrectly, or the ones where goofy is reading the temperatures?
JayK
2.6 / 5 (5) Mar 03, 2010
@unfreethinking:
More baseless assertions without proof? Why do you even bother?
Loodt
1.5 / 5 (8) Mar 03, 2010
freethinking, no, the stations were all pear reviewed, if it sunk, it was dunked!
JayK
2.6 / 5 (5) Mar 03, 2010
Satellite measurements, Loodt. You know, those magic things in the sky, yeah, right under that painted firmament, but before you get to the turtle.
freethinking
1.8 / 5 (10) Mar 03, 2010
Satellite measurements, are those the ones that have been adjusted and calibrated using the nonexistent weather stations, or the weather stations that are by heat sinks, or better yet calibrated using the hockey stick graph?

When you cherry pick data its easy to make the data show what you want. Glaciers receeding, polar ice, temp... all done by AGW advocates... but hush we cant let JayK know that... he's a believer.
JayK
Mar 03, 2010
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mary_hinge
3.4 / 5 (5) Mar 04, 2010
freethinking, no, the stations were all pear reviewed, if it sunk, it was dunked!

Pear reviewed? why not apple, or orange....
Loodt
2.1 / 5 (7) Mar 04, 2010
Pears sink, apples float, it the data shows a decrease, drop it, Pear review...

Maybe the subtlety is too much for blinkered and proper Climate Science Idiot Servants!
mary_hinge
3.9 / 5 (7) Mar 05, 2010
You mean subtle as in teaching school children astrology is responsible for global warming....hmmmm
http://legis.stat...009P.htm
Anyway these weather stations that are supposedly poorly placed and showing a warming amplification are actually show a COOLING bias! http://www1.ncdc....2010.pdf
Shhh, don't tell the climate septics this, they don't want to know...
Loodt
2 / 5 (8) Mar 05, 2010

How about teaching kids that if they heat themselves to survive the blizzards outside they are being Naughty and should be Punished! No rather run outside in the snow, rollover and die you despicable human beings, polar bears are whiter, cuddlier, more cute, and worth saving than the dark children that blots the pristine landscape!
freethinking
1.7 / 5 (11) Mar 05, 2010
AGW fanatics have said why would big industry support AGW if it wasnt true? Well it seems they stand to make more money than even Al Gore for doing nothing.
http://www.breitb...rticle=1

Oh, and now it seems that the AGW believers will no longer be playing nice.

http://washington...critics/

so JayK you can now call people names, mis-lead people, etc. etc. Oh wait, you already do this. You must have got the memo a long time ago.
JayK
3.7 / 5 (9) Mar 05, 2010
Neither of your links proved anything about AGW, would you like to provide actual data or would you just like to slander scientists, like usual?

You know you've never provided a speck of data proving that AGW is false, freethinking? Never, nothing, nada. Why is that?
Loodt
1.8 / 5 (10) Mar 05, 2010
Climate Change and Science should not be used in the same sentence!

To quote Prof Jones. ...we don't ask for original data when we publish or do peer review...

Claudius
1.9 / 5 (9) Mar 06, 2010
Jones also insisted the scientific findings on climate change were robust and verifiable.


If this were true, why did he work so hard to keep data from being released to skeptical scientists, to corrupt the peer-review process, and to work to destroy the careers of those who disagreed with him?

The level of scientific corruption here is staggering. The fact that the falsified AGW hypothesis is being used to promote enormous social and political changes is frightening.
operator
3.5 / 5 (8) Mar 06, 2010
how many deniers does it take to change a light bulb?

none becuase they don't believe we can change things and prefer to live in the dark
Just_some_guy
4.3 / 5 (6) Mar 07, 2010
Why are you climate skeptics always so angry and abusive in your posts?

You know, in my oppinion, it's probably because of your ignorance. It must be really hard to argue for something of which you have absolutely no knowledge. No wonder that you become frustrated...

But hey, that's just my oppinion...
slaveunit
3.7 / 5 (6) Mar 07, 2010
Yea its amazing how zealous the skeptics get and how they ignore the bulk of the evidence so they can find little things to shout about, they dont even get that climate change is just that a change hotter summers colder winters more costs more storm damage etc. And even more amazing they dont get that switching away from fossil fuels will be great for the west. Eventually it will lead to energy independence yes it will cost money but so does anything worthwhile, real competition in the energy market distributed power etc these things are worth it. Or you could keep giving your money to arab countries. If sea levels rise think of how much it will cost the world to move the vast bulk of our coastal populations inland assuming you have the land. The right wing is so stupid it doesnt get how good for the west embracing a change in energy policy will be for its own policies i.e. keeping taxes low not helping the poor generating jobs in the west etc. but they beleive in ID so nuff said
Ronan
5 / 5 (2) Mar 07, 2010
...I'm probably going to regret posting here, considering all the vitriol flying everywhere, but...why is this newsworthy, exactly? "I have obviously written some pretty awful emails." ...Okay, then. Awful might mean that he thinks that he should have been clearer in what he wrote, or he should have been less/more aggressive, or maybe he's just displeased with the aesthetic quality of them. I'm sure plenty of people would agree with any or all of those sentiments. Why, though, was this worthy of being mentioned? It doesn't exactly provide any new information other than he (presumably) wishes he had phrased some of his emails differently, which considering the events of the past few months is hardly surprising.
GrayMouser
1 / 5 (4) Mar 07, 2010
Why are you climate skeptics always so angry and abusive in your posts?

You know, in my oppinion, it's probably because of your ignorance. It must be really hard to argue for something of which you have absolutely no knowledge. No wonder that you become frustrated...

But hey, that's just my oppinion...

Why are you being so abrasive and abusive? Is it because you feel threatened?