The aliens are silent because they're dead

January 21, 2016
CSIRO's Parkes radio telescope will search for alien civilisations, as part of the $100 Million Breakthrough Listen project. Credit: Wayne England

Life on other planets would likely be brief and become extinct very quickly, say astrobiologists from The Australian National University (ANU).

In research aiming to understand how might develop, the scientists realised new life would commonly die out due to runaway heating or cooling on their fledgling planets.

"The universe is probably filled with , so many scientists think it should be teeming with aliens," said Dr Aditya Chopra from the ANU Research School of Earth Sciences and lead author on the paper, which is published in Astrobiology.

"Early life is fragile, so we believe it rarely evolves quickly enough to survive."

"Most early planetary environments are unstable. To produce a habitable planet, life forms need to regulate greenhouse gases such as water and carbon dioxide to keep surface temperatures stable."

About four billion years ago Earth, Venus and Mars may have all been habitable. However, a billion years or so after formation, Venus turned into a hothouse and Mars froze into an icebox.

Early microbial life on Venus and Mars, if there was any, failed to stabilise the rapidly changing environment, said co-author Associate Professor Charley Lineweaver from the ANU Planetary Science Institute.

"Life on Earth probably played a leading role in stabilising the planet's climate," he said.

Dr Chopra said their theory solved a puzzle.

"The mystery of why we haven't yet found signs of aliens may have less to do with the likelihood of the origin of life or intelligence and have more to do with the rarity of the rapid emergence of biological regulation of feedback cycles on planetary surfaces," he said.

Wet, rocky planets, with the ingredients and energy sources required for life seem to be ubiquitous, however, as physicist Enrico Fermi pointed out in 1950, no signs of surviving extra-terrestrial life have been found.

Dr Aditya Chopra Credit: Stuart Hay, ANU

A plausible solution to Fermi's paradox, say the researchers, is near universal early extinction, which they have named the Gaian Bottleneck.

"One intriguing prediction of the Gaian Bottleneck model is that the vast majority of fossils in the universe will be from extinct microbial life, not from multicellular species such as dinosaurs or humanoids that take billions of years to evolve," said Associate Professor Lineweaver.

A copy of the paper can be downloaded at http://bit.ly/gaianbottleneck.

Explore further: Life possible on 'large parts' of Mars: study

More information: Aditya Chopra et al. The Case for a Gaian Bottleneck: The Biology of Habitability, Astrobiology (2016). DOI: 10.1089/ast.2015.1387 , PDF: http://adi.life/pubs/ChopraLineweaver2016.pdf

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tpb
2.1 / 5 (14) Jan 21, 2016
Venus is hot because its air pressure is 92 times the earths.
Mars is cold because its air pressure is 166 times less than the earths.
It's doubtful that any biological activity could significantly affect them.
gkam
2.6 / 5 (28) Jan 21, 2016
Religion, fear and short-sighted greed will kill us.
nkalanaga
4 / 5 (20) Jan 21, 2016
Alternative: Venus air pressure is 92 times Earth's because it is hot. If Earth was in Venus' orbit, the oceans would evaporate. Water is a strong greenhouse gas, so the temperature would soar. Carbonate minerals break down at elevated temperatures, releasing CO2. That raises the temperature further.

If Earth experienced the same scenario, there is enough carbon and nitrogen in the crust to produce a Venusian-type atmosphere. It will happen in a few billion years, as the Sun ages and brightens.

As for Mars, you're right, and it's too small to hold its air, so there's nothing that would have helped it.
rgw
3 / 5 (8) Jan 21, 2016
Other alien tRumps kill emerging life.
duked1989
2.8 / 5 (8) Jan 21, 2016
Already been theorized that the lack of signs of alien life could be because it is extremely rare for life to get past its early stages. So, basically, this is just another example of a great filter.
GoodElf
3.5 / 5 (19) Jan 21, 2016
Why would aliens use our form of simple radio communication to communicate? If intelligent aliens exist, because the age of the Universe is nearly 14 BY old, then they are most probably at least millions of years ahead technologically, and they pass single entangled photon protocol handles to "signal" via an instantaneous analog channel. Not even aliens have the patience to wait for signals to reach Earth on the off-chance we are going to notice and reply taking hundreds or even thousands of years in the simplex two way process

It is like native American Indians of the 19th century, using smoke signals to communicate with a race that has long adopted the use of cell phones. To "Indians" the sky is "silent", or full of "noise" and therefore "dead".... no smoke signals so nobody out there. How very arrogant we really are. Even primitive native Americans of an earlier age would be able to understand that. Why are we so thick?
Mark Thomas
3.2 / 5 (13) Jan 21, 2016
On Earth the biggest bottleneck was developing and maintaining a sufficiently oxygenated atmosphere long enough for large multi-cellular life to evolve. It took about 2 billion years to develop an oxygenated atmosphere and another 2 billion years for large, complex multi-cellular life to evolve. There are undoubtedly many worlds where microbes could survive, but perhaps conditions were not favorable long enough (~4 billion years) for larger lifeforms to emerge.
garrett
1.5 / 5 (10) Jan 21, 2016
It could just as easily be that we are too early. Our galaxy is an old one. Maybe it takes this long for the stars to evolve heavier elements so biology has something to work with.

Accelerating big bang implies it is still banging.
Intuition
3.2 / 5 (13) Jan 21, 2016
Given that some are theorizing and finding evidence that there's yet another planet within our own solar system we have yet to discover I think the theory that aliens are dead has little merit and breadth let alone imagination. Why is it that scientists are so presumptuous and arrogant when we really know so little.
philstacy9
1.9 / 5 (22) Jan 21, 2016
Like is happening now on earth alien communism killed off the aliens while using global warming as propaganda to seize power. Life is too fragile to withstand communist power seizures which subvert science to self destruction like in Forbidden Planet.
dogbert
3.8 / 5 (6) Jan 21, 2016
This article presents an interesting possibility -- that life is too fragile in the early stages to long survive in the caotic conditions of new planets, meaning that life here was exceptionally fortunate to have survived at all.

Alternately, life may be such a rare occurrence that most planets never develop living organisms.
gkam
1.8 / 5 (24) Jan 21, 2016
I think the Universe has already been infected with Life.
dbsi
3 / 5 (2) Jan 21, 2016
He proves his theory wrong ... himself being an "Austr" alien communicating with us. :-)
kochevnik
3.4 / 5 (5) Jan 21, 2016
Aliens would engineer DNA to make host bodies suitable for the host planet, and engineer life to be more suitable for themselves. For example some aliens may breathe nitrogen and find themselves on an oxygen dominant planet
Zzzzzzzz
2.2 / 5 (20) Jan 21, 2016
Religion, fear and short-sighted greed will kill us.

We may well be on the way to eliminating ourselves, but not kill life. It appears that once life takes hold, it is very difficult to eliminate. The idea of of the Gaian Bottleneck defines the "taking hold"? To answer the Fermian Paradox, the bacterial reservoir that survives the snowball earth, and the deep ocean heat vent life forms aren't the kind of life that communicates to other planets..... but life has certainly "taken hold" here, and will be here until the sun swells up and swallows it.
jeffensley
5 / 5 (7) Jan 21, 2016
Wet, rocky planets, with the ingredients and energy sources required for life seem to be ubiquitous, however, as physicist Enrico Fermi pointed out in 1950, no signs of surviving extra-terrestrial life have been found.


There is no reason whatsoever for us to be making, and attempting to confirm, statements like this. On a limited basis, we've explored ONE other planet besides our own in the universe. This isn't deserving of the term "theory" as it is not even formulated upon information, only a lack thereof.
sandy_mac_donald
3 / 5 (4) Jan 21, 2016
Picture an Earth, replete with life, missing only humans.
Lots of aliens: but they just can't be bothered. The conceit that any intelligent life would be concerned with the things that we are concerned with - is just that: a conceit.
Egleton
3.4 / 5 (5) Jan 21, 2016
Panspermia. Mushroom spores need to get there first. Once a manipulative intelligence evolves, it quickly leaves the surface of it's birthplace for the benefits of living outside of a gravity well.
The surface of a planet is therefore not the correct place to search for intelligent life.
The party is no longer there.
Besides, we can't even recognize intelligent life on our own planet if it doesn't look like Buck Rogers.
kcp77077
3.5 / 5 (6) Jan 21, 2016
Too many assumptions, too little data. No real substance here.

VR is the optimist's answer to the Fermi Paradox. Why traverse space when you can build new realities?
viko_mx
2.7 / 5 (18) Jan 21, 2016
The atheistic model does no works. It can not support life and exclude the reason for life in the universe.
SkyLy
1 / 5 (8) Jan 21, 2016
Too many assumptions, too little data. No real substance here.

VR is the optimist's answer to the Fermi Paradox. Why traverse space when you can build new realities?


Wow, it's the first time i see anyone quote VR, and it's definitely a possible answer. We have yet to create our own systems to understand how power and space efficient VR could be for a civilization.
koitsu
2.8 / 5 (11) Jan 21, 2016
It is like native American Indians of the 19th century, using smoke signals to communicate with a race that has long adopted the use of cell phones. To "Indians" the sky is "silent", or full of "noise" and therefore "dead".... no smoke signals so nobody out there. How very arrogant we really are.


This is such a great analogy. This particular cycle of arrogance repeats and repeats throughout human history too. "I am a wise man of my time, and I tell you that there's nothing and no one beyond the ocean." "I am a learned man of my time, and I tell you that there is nothing and no one beyond the solar system." And so on...
maverick24
2 / 5 (4) Jan 21, 2016
I think my self that we would only have at best a 500 Year Gap to look for Alien Radio Signals before we move onto more advanced forms of coms. For all we know the day before we made wide use of radio was also the last day of Alien Radio signals passing our neck of the woods,

we could also pass into another Alien Radio signal 100's of years in the future when we are no longer using our current Radio Tech and never know about it. Space is so large and takes so long for any thing to travel even at light speed, 500 Years or even 1000 year gaps of Radio signals could be missed very easy.
TabulaMentis
3.2 / 5 (11) Jan 21, 2016
Why would aliens use our form of simple radio communication to communicate?
Absolutely!

Another thing to consider is religion. In about a thousand years from now we humans should start to become as smart and as powerful as the God(s). If we humans do not get it right we will be sent either to Hell or locked up in Heaven for eternity.
TabulaMentis
3.5 / 5 (8) Jan 21, 2016
Incidentally, I have seen a few of those aliens form other places and I am not talking about aliens from our planet. So the authors do not know what they are talking about! I would say within fifty years those aliens will no longer be able to hide from us anymore.
gkam
1.4 / 5 (19) Jan 21, 2016
The Palin Family's full of them!
Onathan
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 21, 2016
This is, basically, what Ward and Brownlee said in "Rare Earth". In 2010.
treii28
3.8 / 5 (10) Jan 22, 2016
Oh come on, there must be someone out there able to consider the more likely possibility. We don't know what the hell to look for. The reason we aren't finding signs of intelligent life is pure and simple human arrogance. We've had a technological civilization for less than 2 centuries in a billions of years old universe and we are busy looking for signs of life and signs of technological civilizations that are similar to our own. We're the rookies! Our technology is still very young relatively speaking and there is little or no reason to believe that an intelligent civilization with thousands -- or hundreds of thousands -- of years on us would be even remotely similar to anything we understand as 'signs of intelligent civilization'.

Fermi's paradox is easy to resolve when you understand that instead of looking for signs of intelligent life in the universe, we are looking for something that acts just like us.
NIPSZX
1 / 5 (2) Jan 22, 2016
Good point!
stswalden
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 22, 2016
Still expect at least one per galaxy to make it and we can see their communication! Here is another theory: the common earth theory. Hypothesis: in the next 200 years we will have self replicating machines (SR). In addition we will able to see possible earth habitats billions of light years away and communicate to them. Even with nuclear war, this should happen as the likelihood of us getting through it are strong. So if this applies, it should apply elsewhere - so why no aliens? Perhaps, rather than rare, they are common. We don't see them because they expect us to find them in the next 200 years (pre SR) - why waste the effort of travel, if you know they are going to pick up your signals soon . Once we contact, expect access to technology billions of years ahead of us i.e., the 1st civilization has billions of years of advantage, any follow up will leapfrog tech: so there is stable universal tech! We end up in a simulated paradise - its our own desires that mean no visible aliens!
my2cts
3 / 5 (12) Jan 22, 2016
The atheistic model does no works. It can not support life and exclude the reason for life in the universe.

Insanity also does not work, viko.
antialias_physorg
3.8 / 5 (20) Jan 22, 2016
The atheistic model does no works. It can not support life and exclude the reason for life in the universe.

Ya know: every living thing (from single celled organisms up to any human with a brain) is atheist. So your idea about "atheist model does not work" is pretty clearly false.
jimsecor
1.8 / 5 (5) Jan 22, 2016
Hahahahahahahahaha
TabulaMentis
3.2 / 5 (11) Jan 22, 2016
Ya know: every living thing (from single celled organisms up to any human with a brain) is atheist. So your idea about "atheist model does not work" is pretty clearly false.
Oh really, do you have some math to back that up?
Mike_Massen
1.7 / 5 (18) Jan 22, 2016
TabulaMentis asked
Ya know: every living thing (from single celled organisms up to any human with a brain) is atheist. So your idea about "atheist model does not work" is pretty clearly false
... do you have some math to back that up?
Hmmm, how on Earth would you craft math other than calculate a combination space of Carbon based compounds of some 10^60 & THEN relationship to combinatorial permutation space of 10^60 ! ie Factorial - can you work out the huge magnitude of that please ?

Essential point is, unless a deity/god whatever, were to unequivocally confirm its existence AND communicate that effectively it is *only* mere (idle) claim, nothing ever definitive !

So, lets assign attribute - how does a god, any god communicate well ?

Is it 'as a god' or as an idea badly communicated by humans of mere claim to aggrandize & get power ?

Over to TabulaMentis, details matter, please clarify context of your question & how, an answer can ever be crafted ?
TabulaMentis
3.2 / 5 (13) Jan 22, 2016
Mike Massen:

First of all, you go by several troll names, so let's be clear to everyone that you are a troll. VietVet is one of your troll names, right or are you going to WIMP out on telling the truth like that lair Hillary Clinton?
So try manning up someday! How many more troll names do you use?

Second, do you speak for Antialias Physorg or is he too busy being a German neo-Nazi or maybe you are Antialias Physorg hiding behind a troll name.

Third, I do not worship religious text word for word.

Fourth and finally, I will cut to the chase and have you explain from where the big bang originated because the correct answer has a religious connection.
antialias_physorg
4.2 / 5 (15) Jan 22, 2016
Ya know: every living thing (from single celled organisms up to any human with a brain) is atheist. So your idea about "atheist model does not work" is pretty clearly false.

Oh really, do you have some math to back that up?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Not the other way around. You are the one who made an extraordinary claim (gods exist) - not I. So you better start backing that up with something. Once you do I'll be glad to take a stab at taking your attempt at proof apart.

But until you do your claim is no more than 'unicorns exist' and your previous post is no more than 'unicorns exist until you prove me wrong'

See how ridiculous it would be if rational discourse were to work that way?
krundoloss
2.7 / 5 (3) Jan 22, 2016
If you try to think in the perspective of a highly advanced alien race. What would they do? If they have truly eliminated all the struggles in thier own survival, and advanced to point of interstellar travel, then they would probably reach a point where they would want to plant the seeds of life on other planets. It makes sense to me. What would you do with infinite time and infinite abilities and resources? You would probably create, because what else would there be for you to do?

What I am trying to say is that life certainly exists on other planets, and intelligent life is the inevitable result, given enough time (water life -> land life -> land predators -> cooperative land predators socialize -> intelligence emerges eventually). However it is unlikely there is an alien race within range, that has not purposely hidden thier signals, or unable to create them yet.
bluehigh
2.5 / 5 (13) Jan 22, 2016
Yep, Mad Mike has been demonstrated as a complete fraud whose only intent is to disrupt any rational discussion, a troll. Hardly surprising that Anti-Thinking is tagging on his coat tails desperately trying to reinforce his fractured ego. As for Vietvet ... well, supporting evil immoral behaviour seems acceptable to this clique of psychopaths.

The aliens are not dead. So far.

bschott
2.7 / 5 (14) Jan 22, 2016
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Not the other way around.


When evidence is aloud to speak for itself, this is correct. When something is interpreted as evidence of one thing, but could also be evidence something else, well you wind up debating between magnetic fields vs. DM as the reason things in space move how they do.

You are the one who made an extraordinary claim (gods exist) - not I


LMFAO.....No, you and the anti-spiritualists just claim the universe is here is because of physics beyond physics...yeah....that's way different

So you better start backing that up with something. Once you do I'll be glad to take a stab at taking your attempt at proof apart.


What you currently describe and support as theoretical astrophysics is a wilder read than any fiction ever written. Get a grip.

KBK
3.4 / 5 (5) Jan 22, 2016
Religion, fear and short-sighted greed will kill us.


True dat.

It must also be noted that the religious aspect of the mind has not retreated.

This has infected and destroyed science and human advance via the creation of laws and punishment in the world of science for straying outside of the 'written word' of science.

Science, as an idea, as method of progress, is not to blame for any of this.

The infection of incompetence into science by dogmatically minded middle managers with no spark of creativity except that of crying foul for violation of written law. THAT is the thing that holds humanity back.

Secondly, the support of those dogmatic systems by dark corporations and dark interests, who's control paradigms would be threatened. The same people who have controlled religion, politics and conflict for thousands of years.

Same shit, different day.

Vladimir Putin, just yesterday, called out this western problem----quite explicitly. (No joke)
antialias_physorg
4.1 / 5 (17) Jan 22, 2016
well you wind up debating between magnetic fields vs. DM as the reason things in space move how they do.

Not really - because magnetic fields would cause stuff to move differently than observed (and also would not cause lensing), so that one is already falsified (i.e. it's totally out of the race)

No, you and the anti-spiritualists just claim the universe is here is because of physics beyond physics

I make NO claim. That is different from making A claim. If you don't see the difference in these two stances then I can't help you. The one making A claim needs to provide evidence why he thinks he must make such a claim
(E.g. DM is claimed because we have observable evidence. And now it is up to DM theorists to back up the claim...which is what all the ongoing experiments are about)

Once a claim is made then it can be tested. A NO claim stance cannot be tested.
bluehigh
2.5 / 5 (11) Jan 22, 2016
You can't help yourself, let alone others. At best an effect that invites an explanation but that's in no way evidence to support, what amounts to, your indoctrinated wild guess.

Crikey, Anti-Thinking you are so brainwashed it's amazing you can breathe by yourself.

Wipe your chin. You're dribbling again. Hold a Vietvet supplied soft young hand, you like that huh? Feel better?

randomwalk_
3.2 / 5 (9) Jan 22, 2016
Taking this thread as a sample it is easy to see why every advanced species would try to minimize its radiation signature..
bschott
2.3 / 5 (15) Jan 22, 2016
I make NO claim. That is different from making A claim.


Really......From the SAME POST, below are 3 claims form the guy who doesn't make any...

Not really - because magnetic fields would cause stuff to move differently than observed


No...One large field moves as observed, the field interactions between the objects in the large field hold them in place as this happens.

(and also would not cause lensing, so that one is already falsified


Actually no, gravity does not cause lensing, only magnetic fields have the capability of deflecting or otherwise imparting any kind of "force" on photons. EVERY experiment involving photons validates this. Gravitational lensing is supported by scribbles on paper that have yet to have any validation in reality. ( other than complete misinterpretation of the photonic information by the current physics regime, it's called delusion)

it's totally out of the race


Gravity was never really in it.

..
TabulaMentis
2.8 / 5 (13) Jan 22, 2016
Taking this thread as a sample it is easy to see why every advanced species would try to minimize its radiation signature..
What the intelligent alien beings fear the most are those atheist agnostic Saudi inspired Wahhabist fools who wish to cut their heads off.

Hey Mike Massen (aka: VietVet) are you asleep? Yeah, you have to get your baby sleep you know!
HumanoInHumano
1 / 5 (2) Jan 22, 2016
Humanity is still very young and so impatient.
We haven´t even been looking for so long and in real detail for life and yet people think they can predict there is or there is not life in the universe.
We might learn to deal with this impatience when we become immortal through Science, the day we can contemplate cosmological processes in a lifetime then will we be patient and stop fighting over mere trivialities.
Phys1
3.4 / 5 (17) Jan 22, 2016
You can't help yourself, let alone others. At best an effect that invites an explanation but that's in no way evidence to support, what amounts to, your indoctrinated wild guess.

Crikey, Anti-Thinking you are so brainwashed it's amazing you can breathe by yourself.

Wipe your chin. You're dribbling again. Hold a Vietvet supplied soft young hand, you like that huh? Feel better?


Are you also interested in science?
I am waiting for an opportunity to show that you are an idiot
but you have not touched on any remotely physical subject so far.
Reveal yourself.
Phys1
3.5 / 5 (16) Jan 22, 2016

Gravity was never really in it.

..


You are a total moron, scientifically speaking.
miasmahorse
1 / 5 (1) Jan 22, 2016
I strongly doubt that sapience is a natural consequence of a planet having life. Think of it in terms of natural selection: why would any species evolve intelligence greater than it needs to survive? The selection pressure does not exist. In our case, it's probably a fluke, the rare result of hybrid vigor. Think about how long it took us to come along in the Earth's history. Planets bearing life with intelligence comparable to our own are surely out there, but they're even fewer and further between than planets bearing any life at all. And there's NO guarantee aliens would be more advanced.
Space is Big. Signals capable of traveling the vast distances are a waste of energy. And the success of any civilization is down to the proper management of resources and energy. Any race either dies out or learns to harness energy it cannot exhaust, like sunlight, while minimizing lost energy and maximizing efficiency. Even now our own radio shell is thinning out.
Ave humanitas, filii solis.
Vietvet
4.5 / 5 (15) Jan 22, 2016


Hey Mike Massen (aka: VietVet) are you asleep? Yeah, you have to get your baby sleep you know!


Anyone who thinks I'm a sockpuppet for Mike Massen or anyone else hasn't been paying attention.

https://sciencex....t/?v=act
antialias_physorg
4.4 / 5 (14) Jan 22, 2016
No...One large field moves as observed, the field interactions between the objects in the large field hold them in place as this happen

Which large field? The one that totally failed to show up when measured by probes (like Voyager?)
Do you know that some planets don't even have a magnetic field to speak of? How are they held by anything?
Or is it charges in the field? In this case a simple question will disprove your magnetic field theory: which charge do the sun, the Moon and the Earth hold. I'm not even talking about the number - just whether each of them is positive or negatively charged...if you can't decide then just tell which one has charge X (where X can be either positive or negative) and which two have opposite net charge.

Go on...let's put your theory to the test.
bschott
2.8 / 5 (11) Jan 22, 2016

Gravity was never really in it.

..


You are a total moron, scientifically speaking.


Sensitivity has no place in a belief system. Pull up your panties, wipe your chin, and get over the fact that understanding math doesn't make you a physicist if you can't figure out what is and isn't possible.

You clearly haven't got a clue. You have a lot of friends here.
bschott
2.8 / 5 (11) Jan 22, 2016
Go on...let's put your theory to the test.


Okay.

Do you know that some planets don't even have a magnetic field to speak of?


Yes. However I was referring to stars (which we have just a tiny bit of evidence regarding their possession of an external magnetic field), and the part of the model based on gravity that doesn't work unless you multiply the mass content of the universe x 5, then place it exactly where it would be needed in the model to produce the observed galactic rotation curve...you know, where stars on the outer edge hold their position relative to the rest....

which charge do the sun, the Moon and the Earth hold


An EE should know the difference between charge and an external magnetic field...all the ones I know do.

How are they held by anything?


I have said many times I don't completely discount gravity, I can tell when too pretty easily though. I stopped buying into "that" theory when it went off the deep end.
antialias_physorg
4.5 / 5 (16) Jan 22, 2016
Well, there's already the problem: If you think magnetic forces are the MAIN thing then it makes no sense that some planets without a magentic field move exactly as predicted by gravitational theories and others with a magentic field ALSO move exactly as predicted by gravitational theories. They should move radically differently. Even more so if gravity were a completely false theory (but also if gravity were to just play 'some part' as you are willing to accept)

This invisible (to our instruments) external magnetic field must be one highly selective critter.
Phys1
3.4 / 5 (15) Jan 22, 2016

Gravity was never really in it.

..


You are a total moron, scientifically speaking.


Sensitivity has no place in a belief system. Pull up your panties, wipe your chin, and get over the fact that understanding math doesn't make you a physicist if you can't figure out what is and isn't possible.

You clearly haven't got a clue. You have a lot of friends here.

You may well be a good person, but in science ...
Study for a few years, do yourself a favour. Listen to people who know better than you.
This is not even funny anymore.
blazmotronic
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 22, 2016
Watch the The Privileged Planet !
ForFreeMinds
3.2 / 5 (9) Jan 22, 2016
This is simply an idea that's good enough to get a grant from those who want to promote Chicken Little scenarios, so that we give up our freedom to them to "protect us." We'll end up without our freedom, and without protection from them as well.
Mike_Massen
1.4 / 5 (18) Jan 23, 2016
bluehigh claims
..Mad Mike has been demonstrated as a complete fraud whose only intent is to disrupt any rational discussion, a troll
You are lying, Prove it ?

I challenge unsupportable claims & where many of those arise from d..ks without interest in learning basic Physics then post mindless ill-considered claims, they're soundly trounced as their math skills & Evidence interpretation Fail !

If you had comprehension you'd observe I have no fraudulent intent, if you are questioning my qualifications, contact Curtin University, Bentley Western Australia & ask them, my student no 07602128

If Uncle/Uncle Ira, he's conceded absolutely NO proof to claim my ebay account was closed due to theft or *any* reason !
http://www.ebay.c...e_engine
Check with ebay please ?

Sadly Uncle Ira affirms *only* mindlessly copies google, conceding he only did it as he's worried about my so called "gravitas" FFS ! Uncle Ira demonstrates insecurity !

& You follow, ugh !
TabulaMentis
2.8 / 5 (13) Jan 23, 2016
Anyone who thinks I'm a sockpuppet for Mike Massen or anyone else hasn't been paying attention.

https://sciencex....t/?v=act

One thing for sure and that is that you are a troll. Try make comments instead of running around like a coward only giving people low ratings without saying anything.
TabulaMentis
2.3 / 5 (12) Jan 23, 2016
Hey Mike Massen, I am still waiting for an answer to my question, unless you do not have the brain power to provide the answer.

Here is the question again: "Explain from where the big bang originated because the correct answer has a religious connection."

Do not give me an answer that the big bang originated from nothing or from virtual particles from empty space, or a cyclic universe, or from branes crashing into each other.

I am talking about a specific type of bang and there are five different types of bangs that could create the BB.

And for those who may say I am off subject, deities are aliens too.
TabulaMentis
2.5 / 5 (11) Jan 23, 2016
This invisible (to our instruments) external magnetic field must be one highly selective critter.
That is why there is so much research going into trying to understand dark energy and dark matter. Remember how you criticized me years ago when I was talking about preatomic particles? Well, you could call preatomic particles subatomic particles, however we (I) need to be more specific because there is also post-atomic particles. So according to me preatomic, atomic and post-atomic particles would be the correct wordage to use which means I had to invent new wording to explain new ideas. Preatomic and post-atomic particles is the dark matter that scientists are looking for and they are not directly detectable like invisible ghosts. Masters of dark matter and dark energy will have unique forms of communication undetectable to humans.
viko_mx
2.2 / 5 (9) Jan 23, 2016

"Ya know: every living thing (from single celled organisms up to any human with a brain) is atheist. So your idea about "atheist model does not work" is pretty clearly false."

The usual meaningless declaration. The strength of the atheist is not scientific explanations because these leads to God but their wishful thinking which is the reflection of their passions and lawlessness. The main occupation of atheists in science is to make guesses and speculations. In their world there is nothing certain. There are no absolutes. This world is highly unstable. Rarely can meet thinking person who is an atheist, and this is only a temporary phenomenon, which tends to quickly fix. I do not intend not make stupid generalizations about the whole living world, just because only the man is created in the image and likeness of God and have consciousness and abstract thinking, to make such spiritual decisions.
viko_mx
3 / 5 (10) Jan 23, 2016
The only system that is naturally stable and can provide eternal life and harmony is that where in its begining and existеnсе stay a powerful and holy God, who is eternal, unchangeable, and has a monopoly over the fundamental forces in nature and who alone can provide always absolute justice. The spiritual foundation of this system are the love and the truth, which are eternal abiding principles.
The all other possible systems are naturally unstable and can not provide eternal life. But the existence of physical system which can not provide proper conditions for life is pointless. Sо аll paths leads to the Creator.
Mike_Massen
1.9 / 5 (18) Jan 23, 2016
@TabulaMentis,
Seems you misunderstand protocols or want to appear soundly undisciplined, in other words, sensible & appropriate to answer my questions to YOU before response to yours, smarter ?

Reminder with brevity from b4
1 ..combinatorial permutation space of 10^60 ! ie Factorial - can you work out the huge magnitude of that please ?
2 ..how does a god, any god communicate well ?
3 Is it 'as a god' or as an idea badly communicated by humans of mere claim to aggrandize & get power ?
4 ..please clarify context of your question & how, an answer can ever be crafted ?

Am sure you're cognisant of old "Golden Rule" ie do unto others.. so obviously you'd expect me to NOT ask U questions After you'd asked me if I failed to respond in kind, because obviously that'd severely drag down dialectic = Not smart & clearly sensible to approach interaction properly & mindful of fact comments are public despite your reliance on anonymity behind a mere nickname, where I don't :P
Phys1
3.5 / 5 (13) Jan 23, 2016
@viko
The only system that is naturally stable and can provide eternal life and harmony is ...

is permanent irreparable insanity.
viko_mx
2.7 / 5 (12) Jan 23, 2016
@phys1

You can offer only this to the reader? Except your nickname you have nothing to do with science.
Phys1
3.3 / 5 (14) Jan 23, 2016
@viko
When you say science you mean your holy matrix theory.
Thank Democritus that I have nothing to do with that.
And I maintain that only permanent insanity can provide eternal life.
TabulaMentis
3.2 / 5 (13) Jan 23, 2016
@Mike Massen:

See, you do not have the brain power after all to answer the question or to be humble enough to say you do not know. You are just another stupid agnostic atheist who wishes to remain stupid filled with hate like the writers of this article. Good Luck!
Phys1
3.2 / 5 (13) Jan 23, 2016
@Mike Massen:

See, you do not have the brain power after all to answer the question or to be humble enough to say you do not know. You are just another stupid agnostic atheist who wishes to remain stupid filled with hate like the writers of this article. Good Luck!

That sounds very hateful. You will go straight to hell.
Phys1
2.3 / 5 (9) Jan 23, 2016
cancelled
Mike_Massen
1.9 / 5 (18) Jan 23, 2016
TabulaMentis claims
See, you do not have the brain power after all to answer the question or to be humble enough to say you do not know
Indeed but, you decide to be impolite at earliest opportunity & fail to answer my questions at all !

Please get to grips with Greek's ancient & self-evident Golden Rule & answer my Questions first, when you do I will be happy to fully articulate the phenomenological position regarding the veracity of the so called Bing Bang theory in conjunction with aspect offered by Kurt Godel re Physics, that is, if you have patience & mental discipline to take the steps necessary to prepare yourself for a response you can comprehend...

TabulaMentis claims
You are just another stupid agnostic atheist who wishes to remain stupid filled with hate like the writers of this article
No & if you think so other than mere idle arbitrary claim, then show some intellectual mettle, search & Prove it please ?

TabulaMentis added
Good Luck!
:P
TabulaMentis
3.2 / 5 (11) Jan 23, 2016
That sounds very hateful. You will go straight to hell.
From an agnostic atheist point of view I'm sure it does. Do you wish to try to answer the question I asked Mike Massen or are you chicken, or stupid?
TabulaMentis
3.2 / 5 (11) Jan 23, 2016
@Mike Massen:

Whenever someone mentions something involving religion the agnostic atheists fools come out of the woodwork looking to stir up trouble like a wicked witch who has not been laid in hundreds of years.
Phys1
3.2 / 5 (13) Jan 23, 2016
That sounds very hateful. You will go straight to hell.
From an agnostic atheist point of view I'm sure it does. Do you wish to try to answer the question I asked Mike Massen or are you chicken, or stupid?

You are full of hatred.
Jesus would give you with the cane.
a) Practice what you preach
b) Don't come here to push your religion
TabulaMentis
3.2 / 5 (11) Jan 23, 2016
You are full of hatred. Jesus would give you with the cane.
a) Practice what you preach
b) Don't come here to push your religion
Screw you!
Mike_Massen
1.9 / 5 (18) Jan 23, 2016
TabulaMentis claims
From an agnostic atheist point of view I'm sure it does. Do you wish to try to answer the question I asked Mike Massen or are you chicken, or stupid?
Why do you resort to school yard name calling are you not an adult, which school ?

Which religion tells you to avoid the Golden Rule & resorts to name calling ?

I'm not calling you stupid. Evidence is clear & betrays you, the more you spout hate the less you could be taken seriously, so please return to a reasoned discussion & be prepared to entertain mature dialectic, it will be helpful to the young & naive who might read this interaction, because the way you are going you seem to Want to turn off a LOT of people ?

Are you unwell, lose a child to cancer, murder or accident, you have axes to grind, what motivates you to spout hate, are you close to the end of your life and missed out on crafting a suitable monument to your short existence - sadly all too common

What is with you, tummy ache ?
Phys1
3.6 / 5 (14) Jan 23, 2016
You are full of hatred. Jesus would give you with the cane.
a) Practice what you preach
b) Don't come here to push your religion
Screw you!

Your soul is lost. Find someone to pray for you.
TabulaMentis
3.4 / 5 (10) Jan 23, 2016
Your soul is lost. Find someone to pray for you.
You do not even believe in souls, you fool!
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.4 / 5 (19) Jan 23, 2016
The atheistic model does no works. It can not support life and exclude the reason for life in the universe
The religionist model does no works. It has to insist that there must be a reason for life to then insist that only gods could create it.

If there is a reason for life then only science has the tools to discover it, by following the evidence.
only god has a monopoly over the forces of nature
We assume that a perfect god would produce a perfect set of natural laws. So why does he have to suspend them from time to time in order to create miracles?

God made the sun stand still so that Joshua could win his battle. This violates many laws that we are very familiar with. I assume he could create spectacular events with impeccable laws that already exist.

No?
Phys1
3.5 / 5 (16) Jan 23, 2016
Your soul is lost. Find someone to pray for you.
You do not even believe in souls, you fool!

But you do. And I can tell that your soul is doomed.
Very unchristian, this display of hatred. God is love, and krishna too, remember.
You will be reborn as a cockroach with such karma. ;-)
BartV
2.5 / 5 (11) Jan 23, 2016
The super alien is alive and well, and has been communicating with us for thousands of years. It is just that many of us have turned our backs on Him and quit listening to His voice.

This nonsense lie of evolution where we have all appeared here by chance is also deafening our ears to hearing His voice.

TabulaMentis
2.8 / 5 (11) Jan 23, 2016
But you do. And I can tell that your soul is doomed. Very unchristian, this display of hatred. God is love, and krishna too, remember. You will be reborn as a cockroach with such karma. ;-)
I refuse to allow agnostic atheist Wahhabist ignorant fools to tell me what I can and cannot believe in, especially on a physics website. Again, the writers of this article are stupid. Once you figure out how the big bang got started like I questioned whats his face above, then you will get it. It's about the math you fool!
Phys1
3.3 / 5 (12) Jan 23, 2016
@FabulaMentis
Yeah right. Hell it is for the likes of you.
You have company: looney BartV is just going there.
Phys1
3.3 / 5 (12) Jan 23, 2016
@BartV
God is dead, sorry.
But there is relief:
http://www.venganza.org/join/
Phys1
3.6 / 5 (14) Jan 23, 2016
@Mental
Jesus, the cross section of the following sets, "agnostic atheist Wahhabist ignorant fools", is guaranteed to be empty. More is less !
TabulaMentis
3.2 / 5 (9) Jan 23, 2016
God is dead, sorry. But there is relief: http://www.venganza.org/join/
Besides being a fool, you are also stupid. As you know, physics is about the math and the math is not in your favor you fool.
Phys1
3.2 / 5 (11) Jan 23, 2016
@FabulaMentalis
You can address your hatred directly here:
http://www.vengan...te-mail/
Phys1
3.2 / 5 (11) Jan 23, 2016
God is dead, sorry. But there is relief: http://www.venganza.org/join/
Besides being a fool, you are also stupid. As you know, physics is about the math and the math is not in your favor you fool.

Dude what are you smoking ?
Phys1
3.2 / 5 (11) Jan 23, 2016
@Mental
Jesus, the cross section of the following sets, "agnostic atheist Wahhabist ignorant fools", is guaranteed to be empty. More is less !

"cross section": no pun intended, initially .
TechnoCreed
4.8 / 5 (18) Jan 23, 2016
"cross section": no pun intended, initially
Some people wouldn't see evidence in science, even if it is as big as a barn. Pun intehded of course ;-)
TabulaMentis
2.5 / 5 (8) Jan 23, 2016
The religionist model does not work. If there is a reason for life, then only science has the tools to discover it, by following the evidence.
Oh I like it, we have ourselves a science boy called Otto.

Here is a science question for you:

Explain from where the big bang originated because the correct answer has a religious connection.

Do not give me an answer that the big bang originated from nothing or from virtual particles from empty space, or a cyclic universe, or from branes crashing into each other.

I am talking about a specific type of bang and there are five different types of bangs that could create the BB.

The Gods' are a product of evolution and the simplest explanation is the one most favored by evolutionists.

Again, there are five different types of bangs that could create the BB. Which one is it? Can you figure it out?
Protoplasmix
5 / 5 (7) Jan 23, 2016
So much dust around Sgr A* I thought it would be a good idea to send a probe there to beam back full spectrum data on a wavelength that penetrates the dust. Then I wondered if others already sent one. Anyone know if SETI checked? Sure would be a nice 2-birds/1-stone: up close and personal with the only supermassive black hole in the galaxy _a_n_d_ discovering aliens.
Mike_Massen
2.3 / 5 (19) Jan 24, 2016
BartV claims
The super alien is alive and well, and has been communicating with us for thousands of years
Really ?
You mean the book in respect of Moses story, which has failed logic & clearly paints the deity as either incompetent, a liar, bad educator & nasty ?

BartV, tell us why your deity set up Eve to fail knowing the outcome & especially so as it never educated her in Guile ?
http://dictionary...se/guile

BartV claims
It is just that many of us have turned our backs on Him and quit listening to His voice
Eh, you mean he keeps talking after a bad old book, where/how please ?

BartV claims
This nonsense lie of evolution where we have all appeared here by chance..
Not chance, survival of fittest via natural selection based on patterns in physics/chemistry, if your god put self-assembly patterns there then he is Very very nasty as Nature is brutal !

BartV, history demonstrates your god is a bad communicator & acts same as a Devil !
Mike_Massen
1.9 / 5 (17) Jan 24, 2016
TabulaMentis said
I refuse to allow agnostic atheist Wahhabist ignorant fools to tell me what I can and cannot believe in, especially on a physics website
Right, its a Physics site, not a religious debate site, so go away.

In order to understand that maths can describe big bang to within a few micro seconds of an origin & then speculate on prior you need to get a sound grasp of phenomenology AND if you want to claim the origin is religious then you NEED to show there is a clear line of communication from a deity which claims to be responsible, its part of the process of Provenance, capisce' ?

Which religion are U from which ignores Jesus's "do unto others" & promotes name calling ?

Tell us TabulaMentis, just WHY your god, or all gods are such very BAD communicators ?

AND tell us TabulaMentis why anyone who gets emotionally attached to poetic words by humans in an old book just cannot clarify the evident attributes of any deity in clear terms ?

Or go away
TabulaMentis
3 / 5 (8) Jan 24, 2016
Right, its a Physics site, not a religious debate site, so go away.
I do not follow the text in religious books word for word. Obviously, you do not know how the big bang was created because you have not put enough thought into it and it does include math. I do like the verse in the Bible that says "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth." You insult me and I will insult you! Finally, if you think you are man enough, then why don't you just try to make me go away, you ignorant fool???
AGreatWhopper
1.7 / 5 (12) Jan 24, 2016
Let's hope that's the case with us. If we have to all die to get rid of worthless shit like BartV, I say it's worth the price of admission.
Mike_Massen
1.9 / 5 (17) Jan 24, 2016
TabulaMentis claims
Obviously, you do not know how the big bang was created because you have not put enough thought into it and it does include math
Obviously nobody knows, re-read my post re deities communication, because the writers of those books also made unsupportable claims !

TabulaMentis says
"An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth." You insult me and I will insult you
False. See my first post to you, Didn't insult but, you failed to answer questions & I reminded you, you then fell into ugly pattern of name calling not commensurate with any religion considered to be worthy :-(

Retaliation is only for children, "eye for an eye" cliche is obviously not to be liked, it is intended as educative, ie if everyone did as they liked re that cliche there would be immense retaliation supported by the idea a deity promoted it. Good its not followed !

TabulaMentis says
..if you think you are man enough
is this your best, why can't you answer my Q's ?
Vietvet
4.7 / 5 (14) Jan 24, 2016
Anyone who thinks I'm a sockpuppet for Mike Massen or anyone else hasn't been paying attention.

https://sciencex....t/?v=act

One thing for sure and that is that you are a troll. Try make comments instead of running around like a coward only giving people low ratings without saying anything.


With this post I will have made 3,602 comments since joining PO, have had plenty to say.
On this thread others have reflected my thoughts, they get up rated.
promile
Jan 24, 2016
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Phys1
3.6 / 5 (14) Jan 24, 2016
Right, its a Physics site, not a religious debate site, so go away.
I do not follow the text in religious books word for word. Obviously, you do not know how the big bang was created because you have not put enough thought into it and it does include math. I do like the verse in the Bible that says "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth." You insult me and I will insult you! Finally, if you think you are man enough, then why don't you just try to make me go away, you ignorant fool???

Nobody has all the answers to your questions, but one thing is certain.
Religion has NONE of the answers.
Crazy religious nuts turned vindictive in particular.
Phys1
3.5 / 5 (13) Jan 24, 2016
I do not follow the text in religious books word for word.

So even within the context of religion you are a nut.
With such defenders of the faith, who needs atheists.
TabulaMentis
2.8 / 5 (11) Jan 24, 2016
False. See my first post to you, Didn't insult but, you failed to answer questions & I reminded you, you then fell into ugly pattern of name calling not commensurate with any religion considered to be worthy.
Then maybe you should read your posts again and not just this one, but others over the last month. Your wording can be quite hateful and ugly at times, as well as other arrogant self-centered agnostic-atheists who think their s--t does not stink.

This your best, why can't you answer my Q's?
I am the one who asked the question. There are five different types of bangs that could create the BB. I am talking about five different types of implosions-explosions that could have started the big bang. The easiest most simple implosion-explosion is the correct one that is directly related to religion. I am not kidding and I already know the answer, no bull. So stop the c--p.
Mike_Massen
1.9 / 5 (17) Jan 24, 2016
TabulaMentis says
..then maybe you should read your posts again and not just this one, but others over the last month
Ah, you accept I was polite to you but, you decide to insult me not because you can't answer my Q's but, because you object to replies to others who've been proven to be unintelligent emotionally feeble droids with nil understanding of Physics or basic Science or Psychology or even comparative religion ;-)

TabulaMentis says
Your wording can be quite hateful and ugly at times, as well as other arrogant
Top 3 contextual examples please ?

TabulaMentis says
I am the one who asked the question
So ? I politely asked you questions first, you don't want to appear argumentative & undisciplined even before you've started to make your case - even a little ?

TabulaMentis claimed
I am not kidding and I already know the answer, no bull
Cool !

Great, sensible then alleviate suffering of so many people seeking, can U articulate it urgently ?
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (17) Jan 24, 2016
There are five different types of bangs that could create the BB. I am talking about five different types of implosions-explosions that could have started the big bang. The easiest most simple implosion-explosion is the correct one that is directly related to religion. I am not kidding and I already know the answer, no bull. So stop the c--p.

Oftimes, humans generally will gravitate to the easiest answers - they require the least amount of energy to process...
bluehigh
3.8 / 5 (10) Jan 24, 2016
And the effort required to examine alternative ideas, oftimes, leads humans to accept dogma because it too, requires the least amount of energy.
greenonions
4.7 / 5 (14) Jan 24, 2016
Tabula
Obviously, you do not know how the big bang was created
You definitely have me on that one - I do not know how the big bang was created. Could you enlighten me - or perhaps provide us all with a link - that would allow us to gain this understanding of how the big bang was created.
TabulaMentis
2.6 / 5 (10) Jan 24, 2016
Could you enlighten me - or perhaps provide us all with a link - that would allow us to gain this understanding of how the big bang was created.
Yes I can, all you had to do was ask and you shall receive:

http://www.alphatron.org

The Type I supertachyon alphatron structure is the easiest implosion-explosion to be created in infinite cold energy (I.C.E.).

As mentioned before, I saw the thing back in 1991 after working on the idea for several months. I guess she wanted to let me know that I had figured out the riddle. As for the male alphatron (Satan), he decided to be a bad boy like you guys and is not around anymore to directly torment people, even though she did make lots of copies of him so each planet gets their own devil.
Phys1
3.3 / 5 (12) Jan 24, 2016
Could you enlighten me - or perhaps provide us all with a link - that would allow us to gain this understanding of how the big bang was created.
Yes I can, all you had to do was ask and you shall receive:

http://www.alphatron.org

The Type I supertachyon alphatron structure is the easiest implosion-explosion to be created in infinite cold energy (I.C.E.).

As mentioned before, I saw the thing back in 1991 after working on the idea for several months. I guess she wanted to let me know that I had figured out the riddle. As for the male alphatron (Satan), he decided to be a bad boy like you guys and is not around anymore to directly torment people, even though she did make lots of copies of him so each planet gets their own devil.

It seems that not only your soul is doomed.
Your brains are too.
Protoplasmix
5 / 5 (10) Jan 24, 2016
The Type I supertachyon alphatron structure is the easiest implosion-explosion to be created in infinite cold energy (I.C.E.).

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baudrunner
4 / 5 (4) Jan 24, 2016
The aliens are silent because you can't hear them. They can't hear us. The information we are trying to hear is light years away. The attenuation of radio signals in space-time - over vast distances - is such that what we do send them is indistinguishable from background and stellar radiation, and there's certainly no eavesdropping in on them. They probably wouldn't be doing what we're doing anyway. An open mind is a rare gift. Searching for extraterrestrial intelligence is altruistic. That said, how do you distinguish communication encrypted to resemble noise?
greenonions
4.7 / 5 (12) Jan 24, 2016
Well Tabulaments - that was very interesting. I can't say I know the cause of the big bang - even after extensive reading of your site. You should talk with Tom Cruise - I think he would be interested in your work. I am happy watching the development of solar panels, and perhaps in my life time - nuclear fusion.
Whydening Gyre
4.9 / 5 (17) Jan 24, 2016
The aliens are silent because you can't hear them. They can't hear us. The information we are trying to hear is light years away. The attenuation of radio signals in space-time - over vast distances - is such that what we do send them is indistinguishable from background and stellar radiation, and there's certainly no eavesdropping in on them. They probably wouldn't be doing what we're doing anyway. An open mind is a rare gift. Searching for extraterrestrial intelligence is altruistic. That said, how do you distinguish communication encrypted to resemble noise?

The way SETI is doing it - pattern recognition.
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (17) Jan 24, 2016
As mentioned before, I saw the thing back in 1991 after working on the idea for several months. I guess she wanted to let me know that I had figured out the riddle. As for the male alphatron (Satan), he decided to be a bad boy like you guys and is not around anymore to directly torment people, even though she did make lots of copies of him so each planet gets their own devil.

I'm having a hard time believing you actually believe this kind of crap...
(BTW - SHE is hermaphrodite...)
TabulaMentis
3 / 5 (12) Jan 24, 2016
I can't say I know the cause of the big bang - even after extensive reading of your site.
What, did you think I was going to put the whole idea on the Internet for you agnostic atheist thieves to steal? Goes to show I can put the answer in front of your face and you are still too stupid to understand it.

You should talk with Tom Cruise - I think he would be interested in your work.
I own the copyrights to the alphatron idea, so I bet he would be interested.

BTW - SHE is hermaphrodite...
No, the Holy Ghost alphatron is a female and the Evil Ghost (Satan) alphatron is a male, stupid.
TabulaMentis
2.8 / 5 (9) Jan 24, 2016
BTW - SHE is hermaphrodite...
If it turns you on maybe you could consider Satan (he) a hermaphrodite WEIRDO (Weak Elementary Rotational Dynamic Object) instead of a MACHO or WIMP.
TabulaMentis
3.3 / 5 (7) Jan 24, 2016
@Whydening Gyre:

The next time I see the Holy Ghost I will ask her to fix you up with the WEIRDO, however I think she has him tied up right now. But, in about a thousand years from now he will most likely come looking for you!
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (17) Jan 24, 2016
BTW - SHE is hermaphrodite...
If it turns you on maybe you could consider Satan (he) a hermaphrodite WEIRDO (Weak Elementary Rotational Dynamic Object) instead of a MACHO or WIMP.

Nahh.. he's just a sexless guy who's mad cuz a god gave humans all the fun of havin' it.
(but he DOES have that fun looking tongue...)

The next time I see the Holy Ghost I will ask her to fix you up with the WEIRDO, however I think she has him tied up right now. But, in about a thousand years from now he will most likely come looking for you!

Surprised you can see a ghost.
Anyway.... Would rather she showed in person, not send a sexless proxy. Then, in a thousand years, she can put me to spinnin' in my grave!
(At that point, I'm sure just about anything would relieve the boredom...and would add new meaning to the term "boning")

greenonions
4.6 / 5 (10) Jan 24, 2016
Goes to show I can put the answer in front of your face and you are still too stupid to understand it.


Guilty as charged Tabulamentis - but I did enjoy reading your site. I am fine sticking with stuff I can actually understand - like electrons traveling down wires - well maybe I can't understand that either - someone told me they were actually holes traveling in the opposite direction. My head exploded.
baudrunner
5 / 5 (3) Jan 24, 2016
The way SETI is doing it - pattern recognition.
Sure, recognizing patterns of a language of unknown structure encrypted with alien methods to resemble noise in data that cannot be distinguished from noise is a pretty tough call.

If you want to talk to ET you would probably need a gigawatt transmitter, or bigger. That'll get you to the local neighborhood. The exercise is futile unless you are communicating to someone you know who is already there. Ant then you still have to wait for the sixteen or so years to get an answer back.
TabulaMentis
2.8 / 5 (9) Jan 24, 2016
Nahh.. he's just a sexless guy who's mad cuz a god gave humans all the fun of havin' it.
The Holy Ghost (aka: Alpha) and the Evil Ghost (aka: Satan/Omega) at first were girlfriend boyfriend. Then they had a child people call Father. Remember Father said "I am Alpha and Omega?" Omega had it made until he got greedy.

Surprised you can see a ghost.
It was strange at first having strangers appearing in and out of the bedroom without permission over a six month period.

Would rather she showed in person, not send a sexless proxy. Then, in a thousand years, she can put me to spinnin' in my grave!
I agree it would be difficult to have sex with a flying serpentine shaped alphatron. However, like Satan she can transfigure herself. I her she is single now! Dude, I would like to get me some of that stuff, if you know what I mean?
TabulaMentis
2.8 / 5 (9) Jan 24, 2016
Then, in a thousand years, she can put me to spinnin' in my grave! At that point, I'm sure just about anything would relieve the boredom...and would add new meaning to the term "boning."
My stepmother told me a story once when she was a teenager hanging out with her friends in a graveyard one night for the fun of it. She said they were in there and all of the sudden a long zigzagging flash of light came out of one of those graves, went flying around and then returned to the grave. She said they all got out of there like a bat out of Hell. That ghost story reminds me a little bit of an alphatron shaped creature, because alphatrons are basically one-dimensional structures long like a thin halo you see depicted in paintings circling saints.
Mike_Massen
1.8 / 5 (16) Jan 24, 2016
TabulaMentis claims
all you had to do was ask and you shall receive:
http://www.alphatron.org
But, not when I ask you direct questions
Eg1 "How does any god communicate ?"
& add "unequivocally & substantively" ie Other than old book of mere claim subject to varieties of translations challenged by later books making new claims Eg mohammed/hubbard ?

TabulaMentis says
The Type I supertachyon alphatron structure is the easiest implosion-explosion to be created in infinite cold energy (I.C.E.)
And the underlying maths of the relationships is, pray tell ?

Any evidence of *any* above ?

Creative collection of sci-fi there TabulaMentis & as you would know humans are good at wide fiction but, like old testament fail dismally in logic or if the logic was ever correct can only conclude the so called god has attributes of nastiness on flimsiest of excuse ie Only bad idea

FYI Alphatron is name of co ~1997 trading electronic parts in Australia based on one in america
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (16) Jan 24, 2016
The Holy Ghost (aka: Alpha) and the Evil Ghost (aka: Satan/Omega) at first were girlfriend boyfriend. Then they had a child people call Father. Remember Father said "I am Alpha and Omega?" Omega had it made until he got greedy.

I'll bite... greedy for what?
It was strange at first having strangers appearing in and out of the bedroom without permission over a six month period.

That's nuthin'. Try it for 60 years and then see me...
I agree it would be difficult to have sex with a flying serpentine shaped alphatron. I hear she is single now! Dude, I would like to get me some of that stuff, if you know what I mean?

Ain't that tuff. She was ALWAYS single... Did it, done it... what's next?
This sounds a lot like the Indian Shiva story... with a little anime and Mass Effect thrown in....
But - not bad...:-)
TabulaMentis
3.2 / 5 (11) Jan 24, 2016
Guilty as charged Tabulamentis - but I did enjoy reading your site. I am fine sticking with stuff I can actually understand - like electrons traveling down wires - well maybe I can't understand that either.
I was a licensed electrical/electronics contractor for years. 2D energies can be referred to as betatricity/betatronics/betamaterials, 1D energies can be referred to as alphatricity/alphatronics/alphamaterials and 0D energies can be referred to as metatricity/metatronics/(0D)metamaterials. Hope that did not confuse you?
TabulaMentis
3.2 / 5 (9) Jan 24, 2016
If you want to talk to ET you would probably need a gigawatt transmitter, or bigger. That'll get you to the local neighborhood. The exercise is futile unless you are communicating to someone you know who is already there. Ant then you still have to wait for the sixteen or so years to get an answer back.
No one in this thread has mentioned anything about aliens living in parallel universes, as in the many-worlds interpretation, right next to or near us. Communications would happen very rapidly with the proper encryption/energies.
TabulaMentis
2.8 / 5 (9) Jan 24, 2016
I'll bite... greedy for what?
For more power and control over everything, and everyone. Female alphatrons are naturally more powerful because they can have offspring, many warriors protecting her like a queen bee. It also has to do with matter versus antimatter (particles versus antiparticles). Why the female alphatron, which is a matter particle, is more dominate than antimatter antiparticles is a good question. As you may know antimater is a hot topic in science. See "Neutral result charges up antimatter research" at:

http://phys.org/n...ter.html

That's nuthin'. Try it for 60 years and then see me...
LOL.
TabulaMentis
3.2 / 5 (9) Jan 24, 2016
"How does any god communicate?"
See the reply to Greenonions a few messages below yours regarding 2D/1D and 0D energies. Also, see the next message after that one to Baudrunner about aliens living in parallel universes, as in the many-worlds interpretation.

Add "unequivocally & substantively" ie Other than old book of mere claim subject to varieties of translations challenged by later books making new claims Eg mohammed/hubbard?
I do not use other people ideas, most of them are original.

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TabulaMentis
3.2 / 5 (9) Jan 24, 2016
"How does any god communicate?"
Gods live in other universes completely outside of our universe (superverse). In order to communication they will need to be able to do so faster-than-light. Yes, I know FTL communication and travel is suppose to be impossible, but it is not impossible. That was the purpose for alphatron technology which can make possible one-dimensional FTL alphatron spacecraft and FTL alphatron wormholes.

And the underlying maths of the relationships is, pray tell?
The math I was referring to was that one-dimensional single cell alphatrons are much easier to create than higher (extra) dimensional structures such as two-dimensional supercubes, three-dimensional superverses like the one we live in (string lovers please do not freak out), or cold black holes or cold black stars.

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Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (13) Jan 24, 2016
Mike's not getting your satirical metaphor.

two-dimensional supercubes - no such thing. It would be a super SQUARE...

There are no original ideas - only novel applications of old ones...
baudrunner
4 / 5 (4) Jan 24, 2016
Parallel universes? This is the universe, which by very definition encompasses all. I'm afraid that's all there is.

Let's be practical. Why 16 years? I'm focusing on Sirius. Sirius is approaching us, rather than moving away, which is the general rule of things in this expanding universe. Its current distance from us is about 8.2 light years, and it's closing the gap. As I see it, the way that events play out in our reality is that there has been a link established in the past. Once that happens, our respective solar systems develop a relationship, and that's why stars collide. Wouldn't be the first time you've heard that life can be funny sometimes, and not funny haha, either.
TabulaMentis
3.2 / 5 (9) Jan 24, 2016
Any evidence of *any* above?
I listed a few things in the previous messages and on the alphatron.org website. In the year 1900 many people did not think the airplane would ever work, but four years later the Wright Brothers proved them wrong. To this day some of Albert Einstein's ideas are still being questioned and tested.

Creative collection of sci-fi there TabulaMentis & as you would know humans are good at wide fiction.
That is why I mentioned the alphatron being the easiest to create because the math would be near impossible for our universe to be created any other way, but not totally impossible, but again almost nearly impossible and I mean nearly impossible as in nearly impossible.

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TabulaMentis
3 / 5 (8) Jan 24, 2016
Creative collection of sci-fi there TabulaMentis & as you would know humans are good at wide fiction but, like old testament fail dismally in logic or if the logic was ever correct can only conclude the so called god has attributes of nastiness on flimsiest of excuse ie Only bad idea.
I do not believe every word written in any religious book should be considered as the absolute truth. A new book without the hate would be in order from a wide range of other religious texts included that everyone or almost everyone could agree with as being the absolute truth.

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TabulaMentis
3 / 5 (8) Jan 24, 2016
FYI Alphatron is name of co ~1997 trading electronic parts in Australia based on one in america.
The term "alphatron" can be used by others for different purposes without violating anyone's copyrights, trademarks and so forth just like there is General Electric, and General Motors who are not related to each other.

Hang in there if you can because it is going to be many years before we have all of the answers. If I were an alien though, I would try to avoid humans so their bad karma would not end up putting me in the slammer.
TabulaMentis
3 / 5 (6) Jan 24, 2016
Two-dimensional supercubes - no such thing. It would be a super SQUARE...
Two-dimensional layers plied together something like the new 3D computer processor chips.

Check out the following link: https://www.bible...sion=KJV

There are no original ideas - only novel applications of old ones...
I am sure the Gods are being amused by your new bullc--p everyday.
TabulaMentis
3 / 5 (6) Jan 24, 2016
Parallel universes? This is the universe, which by very definition encompasses all. I'm afraid that's all there is.
See the following link: https://en.wikipe...retation
TabulaMentis
3 / 5 (6) Jan 24, 2016
Two-dimensional supercubes - no such thing. It would be a super SQUARE...

Two-dimensional layers plied together something like the new 3D computer processor chips.

Check out the following link: https://www.bible...sion=KJV
I am also into inventing and manufacturing. See the following link: http://www.tabulamentis.com

later, have got to go!
bluehigh
5 / 5 (6) Jan 25, 2016
Go TabM? You're way gone.

Whatever you're on, I Don't want some!

Fun read though. Way out there website.

baudrunner
5 / 5 (3) Jan 25, 2016
..and that's why stars collide
Actually, that's wrong, they behave more like quarks. The farther quark pairs are separated, the stronger their attraction. Proximity releases this strong link, and they maintain their normal pairing behavior. Stars don't as a rule collide, they wind up orbiting one another, which, incidentally is the case of Sirius, which is a binary star, more evidence of why to look there for intelligent life. They've been doing this for a long, long, time.
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (13) Jan 25, 2016
Whatever you're on, I Don't want some!

Fun read though. Way out there website.

Way out there, yes.
Actually, almost brilliant execution as a "resume" for a creative media type position...
Wish I would have done it myself...;-)
TabulaMentis
3.5 / 5 (8) Jan 25, 2016
Go TabM? You're way gone. Whatever you're on, I Don't want some! Fun read though. Way out there website.
You should been me in the early 80s when I first started working on the Franklinstein song. Then in 1984 I started working on the Franklinstein robot. Then in 1991 I started working on the physics theories. Back then I said to myself it is going to be fifty to sixty years before some of this stuff starts to happen. Well, that was twenty-five years ago. If I can hang in there for another twenty-five to thirty-five years, then I will be able to upload a copy of my mind into a robot or humanoid and be around until I can get those alphatrons working in about a thousand years. Maybe that explains why the LAPD helicopters like to follow me around town and circle my house on a regular basis. The news media loves to plant illegal eavesdropping devices in my house and track everywhere I go. Oh, it's a blast. Glad you like the read. Can't wait to see the money though!
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (13) Jan 25, 2016
..and that's why stars collide
Actually, that's wrong, they behave more like quarks. The farther quark pairs are separated, the stronger their attraction.

Quarks pair? I thought they only worked in threesomes... (maybe the occasional fivesome...)
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (13) Jan 25, 2016
You should been me in the early 80s when I first started working on the Franklinstein song. Then in 1984 I started working on the Franklinstein robot. Then in 1991 I started working on the physics theories. .... Oh, it's a blast. Glad you like the read. Can't wait to see the money though!

Pretty humorous - once ya catch on to the humor style..
Wait - you're prob'ly one of the writers for "Big Bang Theory" or somethin'...:-)
(or - Charlie Sheen)
bluehigh
5 / 5 (5) Jan 25, 2016
A photon can diffractively dissociate into quark pairs by Coulomb scattering on electron collision.

http://www.slac.s...1581.pdf

Search for photon photon collisions or QCD photon wave function.

bluehigh
4 / 5 (8) Jan 25, 2016
Threesomes can be fun for a while.

A fivesome? Whoa, you wild party artist!
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (14) Jan 25, 2016
A photon can diffractively dissociate into quark pairs by Coulomb scattering on electron collision.

http://www.slac.s...1581.pdf

Search for photon photon collisions or QCD photon wave function.


Pretty long looking read. I'll have a go at it when its not 1 o'clock in the morning...:-)
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (14) Jan 25, 2016
Threesomes can be fun for a while.

A fivesome? Whoa, you wild party artist!

Memories of man in his old age, are the deeds of a man in his prime.....:-)
(Thanks, Ringo )
bschott
3.5 / 5 (8) Jan 25, 2016
You may well be a good person, but in science ...


That depends on who you ask, not many at this site think so.

Study for a few years, do yourself a favour.


I have been, just not the fairy tale math based mythology. Decided to investigate how and why things do what they do, it's funny how none of you can discuss the gaping holes in the theories you support when confronted with them, instead an appeal to authority is the response.

Listen to people who know better than you.


Find one here and I will.

This is not even funny anymore.


On the contrary, mainstream theoretical astrophysics has been really funny for a long time.

Mike_Massen
2 / 5 (16) Jan 25, 2016
bschott claims
I have been, just not the fairy tale math based mythology
Beg Pardon ?
How is math NOT useful tool in Physics relations especially as it can Predict ?

bschott again makes idle claims
.. funny how none of you can discuss the gaping holes in the theories you support when confronted with them
A. Top 3 please & tell us WHY you imply its essential to NOT have key education in Calculus to appreciate these so called holes are temporary re Algebra ?

bschott claims
.. instead an appeal to authority is the response
No. its appreciation of education

bschott, if you even tried a little to get a base understanding of Calculus & Gauss you wouldnt embarrass yourself with claims you Cannot support and which only snipe at immense progress of last 120yrs !

bschott says
..mainstream theoretical astrophysics has been really funny for a long time
Great humour is fine provided it doesn't rely on personal attacks.

What is the top problem & see A. ?
Phys1
3.4 / 5 (10) Jan 25, 2016
You may well be a good person, but in science ...

That depends on who you ask, not many at this site think so.

OK I take that back. You are probably not a good person.
Study for a few years, do yourself a favour.

I have been, just not the fairy tale math based mythology.

So you have not studied physics. Your navel, most likely.
Decided to investigate how and why things do what they do, it's funny how none of you can discuss the gaping holes in the theories you support when confronted with them, instead an appeal to authority is the response.

You decided to reject knowledge all together. Heroic.
Listen to people who know better than you.

Find one here and I will.

On physics, even a broken clock knows better than you.
This is not even funny anymore.

On the contrary, ...


Diversion. I was talking about your pathological posts.
Mike_Massen
1.3 / 5 (15) Jan 25, 2016
bluehigh appropriately offered
A photon can diffractively dissociate into quark pairs by Coulomb scattering on electron collision.
http://www.slac.s...1581.pdf
Brilliant, this is great thankyou, a link to a useful paper covering a few key issues, worthy of attention :-)

Isn't it great bluehigh, posts free of defamation, free from Skippy snipes, free of claims of theft, good clean Science. I'm impressed you avoided robotically following the ugly prejudice of Uncle Ira & can help people with useful links & look forward to more of the same please...

bluehigh suggested
Search for photon photon collisions or QCD photon wave function
After ~40+yrs converging on photon <-> photon interactions as key issue from situation where photons leaving a source diverge but, photons in parallel from opposite directions could (slightly) converge re Einstein's field equation but, not much detail, so any links you come across are welcome ?
Uncle Ira
4.7 / 5 (15) Jan 25, 2016
free from Skippy snipes,

Then why include them? Oh yeah, I forget, it only counts if somebody else does it, but not when the sagacious professorial Mike-Skippy with his grand gravitas does it? Then it is wisdom.

the ugly prejudice of Uncle Ira

I resent that Mike-Skippy. Ask anybody around here, or better yet come on down to Port Fourchon La and ask. I am not prejudiced, I am equally ugly to one and all.
Protoplasmix
5 / 5 (7) Jan 25, 2016
Quarks pair?
Do they ever. In fact, you couldn't un-pair (de-pair?) [separate] two quarks if you tried. Not even with metatricity. Dude. You knew that.

See: https://en.wikipe...ki/Meson
SURFIN85
not rated yet Jan 25, 2016
Hey....

What did you do today to help save the Earth?

Just asking-

?
Mike_Massen
1.5 / 5 (15) Jan 26, 2016
Uncle Ira needs to ask
Then why include them?
Simple, determine if you're following me around, gotcha hook line & sink her :P

Uncle Ira claims
Oh yeah, I forget, it only counts if somebody else does it, but not when the sagacious professorial Mike-Skippy with his grand gravitas does it?
I don't stalk
I don't confuse claim & Evidence
I don't defame
I don't spread lies
I don't irrationally mumble Eg; cher, skippy, couyon..

I do post Physics/Science
I do challenge nuts, Eg viko_mx, antigoracle
I do apologise if I make an error
I do commend those doing right thing eg Bluehigh etc

You're Caught Lying & fail in all above, your only interest proven is odd sporadic humour with character snipes

Uncle Ira says
Then it is wisdom
Sure, which shows Not wise of you to make up stories & Lie about me !

Uncle Ira admists & concedes
..I am equally ugly to one and all
Right, when are you going to recover ?

Change, be honourable, man up & apologise for Lying ?
antigoracle
2.3 / 5 (9) Jan 26, 2016
Mutterin' Moron Mike, Wikipedia (2 links) scholar, science charlatan and Bonobo "monkey" enthusiast blabbers again. Even the aliens are dumbfounded into silence by such stupidity.
promytius1
3 / 5 (4) Jan 26, 2016
Setting aside all that personal invective and nonsense, I think the only 'dead' thing is the idea that humans are any kind of watermark for 'life' markers. The idea of aliens are dead, is dead. And in my opinion, too silly to qualify for publication. OR at least presented with the skepticism it deserves; dead aliens... I see this as just one more example of anthropomorphism; it's all about the "me" - no it isn't.
I believe life/universe have no end, simply because no container can exist by itself; it must by definition also be 'contained' in something. This 'something' is infinite. There is no end. The Universe is Infinite; no folding, doubling back, or beyond anything; Infinite. Life has always existed. Life will always exist by fact and by definition, a priori. Relax.
Uncle Ira
4.7 / 5 (13) Jan 26, 2016
@ Mike-Skippy. How you are Cher? I am good, can't complain, thanks for asking.

Hooyeei, I see you are still in the grumpy mood today, eh?

Uncle Ira needs to ask

Then why include them?

Simple, determine if you're following me around, gotcha hook line & sink her :P


Well that's okay with me. I am not really busy this morning so I got a little time to fool around with you. But I really do wish you would work up some new material to make it more interesting.

your only interest proven is odd sporadic humour with character snipes


Well alrighty-a-roo, apology accepted. But you really did not hurt my feelings, I am a big boy, I can take it.
rgw
2 / 5 (4) Jan 26, 2016
Aliens are all dead is the half empty scenario. We are here now, we are alive with some intelligence and alien to the rest of the Universe. Only half (-1) of the intelligent aliens are dead, the other half have not yet evolved to intelligence.
Phys1
3.7 / 5 (9) Jan 26, 2016
Mutterin' Moron Mike, Wikipedia (2 links) scholar, science charlatan and Bonobo "monkey" enthusiast blabbers again. Even the aliens are dumbfounded into silence by such stupidity.

You are boring.
Who cares whether you like this guy or not?
Go drool somewhere else.
Phys1
3.5 / 5 (8) Jan 26, 2016
Setting aside all that personal invective and nonsense, I think the only 'dead' thing is the idea that humans are any kind of watermark for 'life' markers. The idea of aliens are dead, is dead. And in my opinion, too silly to qualify for publication. OR at least presented with the skepticism it deserves; dead aliens... I see this as just one more example of anthropomorphism; it's all about the "me" - no it isn't.
I believe life/universe have no end, simply because no container can exist by itself; it must by definition also be 'contained' in something. This 'something' is infinite. There is no end. The Universe is Infinite; no folding, doubling back, or beyond anything; Infinite. Life has always existed. Life will always exist by fact and by definition, a priori. Relax.

It will be more interesting if you can prove any of your conclusions.

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