Archeologists unearth 3,300 year old complex in Israel

October 16, 2014 by Bob Yirka report

A team of archeologists working in Israel's Tel Burna dig site have unearthed the remains of a large stone complex dating back approximately 3,300 years. Information about the finding was presented at the recent European Association of Archaeologists' meeting held in Istanbul.

Initial examination of the ruins suggests the site was an ancient cult complex—a rather large one at that with side walls measuring up to 52x52 feet. Thus far have uncovered mask fragments (parts that covered the nose), connected cups (their purpose has yet to be discovered), scarabs (stone representations of the beetle typically used as an amulet) and very large vessels known as pithoi.

The relics suggest the site was use as a cult complex, likely dedicated to the worship of a god, though the researchers can't say with any certainty which one that might have been. The most likely candidate, they told the press recently, is the storm god Baal, who was worshiped by many Middle Eastern peoples during the time that the complex was active. Like many others, he was believed to be a fertility deity, one of the most important or popular of the time. Other gods have not been ruled out, including the war goddess Anat. Other evidence of worship was burnt animal bones, suggesting sacrificial rituals.

The connected cups are particularly intriguing as examples of them have been seen before—the ones found at the new dig site are believed to have come from Syria, due to their design. Though there is scant evidence of their use or purpose, archeologists generally believe, the researchers report, that they were likely cultic objects. Because of the newness of the site, the artifacts have not yet been tested for residue analysis—the researchers are eager to find out what was held in the large pithoi, some of which were nearly as large as a full grown person—some at the site were sunken and some held smaller vessels inside of them.

The site has not been fully excavated yet and leaders of the excavation team noted that unlike most other excavation efforts, digging at Tel Burna, including the newly found complex, can be conducted by amateurs if they are so inclined to help out.

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foolspoo
3 / 5 (6) Oct 16, 2014
More conclusive proof of the evolution of dogmatic belief systems.
Returners
1.4 / 5 (10) Oct 16, 2014
More conclusive proof of the evolution of dogmatic belief systems.


The Baal religion and Judaism are continually shown to be at odds with one another in the Bible. Worshiping Baal was considered a heresy and idolatry.

Belief in "a god" is easy to prove using simple logic and a truth table. This is why so many cultures believe in "a god" or "gods", but disagree on identity, characteristics, personality, and so forth.

One flaw they make is in not realizing the ontological difference between Creator and created.

They understand a mental revelation of the concept of "a god", but do not understand the Spiritual and moral revelation of the character of "The God" and what good and evil are, for example human sacrifice in the case of Molech and Chemosh worshipers. Clearly this is not "love" to burn one's child on an altar or in a brazen bull.

In the words of the Apostle James:

"You believe in God? You do well. the Devils believe also and tremble."
Returners
1.7 / 5 (11) Oct 16, 2014
Paul writes that if you give your body to be burned and do all good things, including giving goods to the poor, and don't have "Charity" (a certain type of love), then it doesn't profit you anything.

James says "Faith without works is dead," meaning it's better to have good works and little faith than little works and much faith.

John says "Love one another, for Love is of God....God is Love."

Judaism forbade things like "walking on fire" and human sacrifice as forms of worship of ANY God. You weren't even supposed to do that for Yahweh. The incident involving Abraham and Isaac is a symbolic gesture, whereby God never intended Isaac to actually be killed. It was a symbol of God himself (as the lamb/ram in the story) dying in the place of man.

Thus our body may die, but for the true believer (one who has good fruit), life is actually eternal.

Unfortunately, there were time periods in Israel's history where the true temple was corrupted heavily by false doctrines
Feyn Man
5 / 5 (4) Oct 16, 2014
I wonder if anyone currently alive still worships Baal or Anat?
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.2 / 5 (10) Oct 16, 2014
"Baʿal is a Semitic word signifying "The Lord, master, owner, keeper, husband", which became the usual designation of the great weather-god of the Western Semite... Because more than one god bore the title "Baal"... only the context... can denote which particular god... a particular inscription or text is speaking of."

"For the early Hebrews, "Baal" referred to the Lord of Israel"

"The ancient roots of Judaism lie in the Bronze Age polytheistic Ancient Semitic religions, specifically Canaanite religion, a syncretization with elements of Babylonian religion"

-IOW judaism is a canaanite religion because the hebrews were canaanites. They never left canaan. They are in fact palestinean. And they worshipped baal (god).
Paul writes that if you give your body to be burned... then it doesn't profit you anything
-Was this in one of the books supposedly written by him but were in fact written by someone else (ie forged)?
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.3 / 5 (12) Oct 16, 2014
The Baal religion and Judaism are continually shown to be at odds with one another in the Bible. Worshiping Baal was considered a heresy and idolatry
-No more so than the worship of jehovah is considered heresy and idolatry by muslims. And vice versa. Same god.

The bible is not a valid source of historical facts as it has been shown to be wrong time and time again.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.9 / 5 (7) Oct 16, 2014
Thus our body may die, but for the true believer (one who has good fruit), life is actually eternal
-Which is, in fact, the biggest most outrageous lie ever told, and one of the few that people will do almost anything to secure despite it being absolutely impossible to prove.

"It's no fun to appreciate to the full the truth of the materialist proposition that I don't have a body, I am a body." -C Hitchens

-Truth hurts.
verkle
Oct 16, 2014
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MandoZink
5 / 5 (9) Oct 16, 2014
The substance of the comments I see so far are significantly devoid of any academic observations this archeological discovery should have spawned.

I recall a quote that these criticisms remind me of:

"We tend to scoff at the beliefs of the ancients. But we can't scoff at them personally, to their faces, and this is what annoys me." --Jack Handy
OZGuy
4.4 / 5 (7) Oct 17, 2014
"Baal was a false god."

They are ALL false. They are figments of imagination used to control the susceptible for the benefit of a chosen few.

Analogous to "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet" , a god irrespective of the name you call it will still be BS.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.2 / 5 (5) Oct 17, 2014
Silly godder
3,300 years ago would have been in the time of Judges, around the time of Gideon, who is famous for having cut down Baal idols. The pagans were ready to kill him until his father intervened, and said "If Baal is real then let Baal punish Gideon". They agreed. But nothing happened. Which gave them proof that Baal was a false god
-And Yahweh could not ethnically cleanse the holy land and so needed joshua and Gideon to do it for him. Gods are NEVER able to make things happen by themselves (because uh they don't exist).

Shekinah always requires human agents. Which is why gods were invented in the first place. They are excellent for motivating people to do all sorts of heinous and disgusting things that people wouldn't normally do on their own.
Mike_Massen
4.4 / 5 (7) Oct 17, 2014
Returners muttered
Belief in "a god" is easy to prove using simple logic and a truth table.
As a statement sure, don't need to prove, people claim often can't prove they don't imagine a belief but, how is it connected with truth ?

Impossible to prove any (personal) deity exists. They're all impotent communicators = humans.

Returners admitted
..but disagree on identity, characteristics, personality, and so forth.
Obviously gods R bad communicators, gee exactly as if they don't exist !

Returners
.. and what good and evil are
Clearly survival oriented re Power & Control.

Returners conceded
.. for example human sacrifice..Clearly this is not "love" to burn one's child on an altar..
Indeed ! As a claimed deity ordering killing of a son or sacrificing on a cross (actually pole at that period) - pretty evil demonstration !

Returners
"You believe in God? You do well. the Devils believe..
What key method does any god communicate ?
Mike_Massen
4 / 5 (8) Oct 17, 2014
verkle[q ..who is famous for having cut down Baal idols. Scary stories though not 'famous'.

verkle didn't realise what he challenged
.. said "If Baal is real then let Baal punish Gideon". They agreed. But nothing happened.
Pretty common that, "let any god make a substantive & incontrovertible sign he cares" ? None have !

verkle
Which gave them proof that Baal was a false god.
Indeed, proof that ALL claimed deities are false.

Attributes of all gods:-

1. Come from the ideas of men (who get power & status)
2. Have problems with women, many men insecure
3. Cannot communicate - only by way of a story & emotional claim
4. Cause suffering directly & indirectly to be FEARED !

Books from prophets of gods ONLY talk:- Status, Authority, Punishment requiring Devotion (sometimes on pain of death) - Nothing to educate, dump em !

How is ANY god loving when they are impotent, erratic, irascible, angry, can't tell the future, ignore/create suffering ?
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.3 / 5 (7) Oct 17, 2014
Impossible to prove any (personal) deity exists. They're all impotent
Of course it is possible to prove that they DONT exist beyond all doubt. Personal gods are described in the books they wrote. In their books these goods describe things which we know didnt happen and people which we know didnt exist. They also describe themselves as honest and the exclusive source of goodness and morality.

So if their books are full of verifiable lies about the past then these gods cannot be what they claim to be, and we have to conclude that all the wonderful promises they make about the future are bunk as well. IOW they dont exist.

Godders can invent any variation they want in an effort to reconcile these dichotomies but it easy to disprove all of them on the basis of the errancy of the books they originate from.

Does this deter most believers? No. But perhaps it is useful in preventing others from succumbing.

If gods LIE then they cannot be TRUSTED to be real.
Torbjorn_Larsson_OM
4.6 / 5 (5) Oct 19, 2014
Oy! Nothing like mediterranean archeology to get the anti-scientist creationist crackpots to come out en masse.

@Returners: Please don't quite magic myth texts here, it is meaningless (being myth) and anti-science (supporting magic). As TGO notes, abrahamism is rooted in semitic (and egyptian) religions albeit being mostly greek syncretism as it originated after the Hellenistic Conquests. And no, you can't 'prove' empirical facts (such as the existence of magic beings) by "logic". You need observation, as science has shown.

@verkle: Wrong. We know that abrahamism evolved after the Hellenistic Conquests 2 400 years ago, the Dead Sea Scrolls show that. The first one that survives until today, judaism, split of about 2 100 - 1 900 years ago as Josephus could describe it. I prefer the first date since it makes the history of the first judaist temple simple, it was one of the many sects Herod built temples for according to archaeology.
Torbjorn_Larsson_OM
5 / 5 (4) Oct 19, 2014
@TGO: It is today easy to show that magic, including 'deities', doesn't exist to the usual quality level of "beyond reasonable doubt". To try to increase the quality level would be to grant special privilege to religion, when it is about simple facts of nature.

That capability started after thermodynamics was developed (no 'magic' action observed in closed systems), but we have roughly ten different ways to do it today.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.3 / 5 (6) Oct 19, 2014
And the simple facts of nature, which archeologists have discovered over the course of a century of digging throughout the Middle East, is that the bible stories never happened because other things were going on back then which would have made them impossible.

This is the only evidence needed to prove that the God of the bible was a fabrication just like the stories he told.

Deists can argue their way around the selective suspension of natural laws. But theists have nothing to say about a god who would lie to his followers in order to find out how much they trust him.

BTW Josephus recorded the biblical myths as history and so he is not likely a credible source of anything besides religious propaganda.

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