Nunavut's mysterious ancient life could return by 2100

Sep 21, 2012
This shows the Alexandre Guertin-Pasquier base camp on Bylot Island in 2009. Credit: Alexandre Guertin-Pasquier

Global climate change means that recently discovered ancient forests in Canada's extreme north could one day return, according to Alexandre Guertin-Pasquier of the University of Montreal's Department of Geography, who is presenting his findings at the Canadian Paleontology Conference in Toronto today.

"According to the data model, on Bylot Island will be able to support the kinds of trees we find in the fossilized forest that currently exist there, such as willow, pine and spruce. I've also found evidence of a possible growth of oak and hickory near the study site during this period.," Guertin-Pasquier said. "Although it would of course take time for a whole forest to regrow, the findings show that our grandchildren should be able to plant a tree and watch it grow."

This shows material transportation during the closure of the base camp in 2009. Credit: Credit : Alexandre Guertin-Pasquier

The fossilized forest found on Bylot Island in Nunavut is between 2.6 and 3 million years old according to estimations based on the presence of and on paleomagnetic analyses. Paleomagentic analysis involves looking at how the Earth's magnetic field has affected the magnetic sediment in rocks – like a compass, they turn to follow the . Scientists can use this information to date rocks as the history of the movement of the magnetic poles is relatively well known.

This shows Alexandre Guertin-Pasquier, Université de Montréal, at his study site in Nunavut at the beginning of the fieldwork in June 2010. Credit: Credit : Alexandre Guertin-Pasquier

Wood samples in the ancient forest have been preserved throughout the in peat and by . "We studied the sediments in the forest and discovered pollen that are usually found in climates where the annual average temperature is around 0 degrees Celsius or 32 Fahrenheit," Guertin-Pasquier said.

By comparison, current average conditions on Bylot Island are around -15°C ( 5°F). The samples were taken from few drill holes 10 cm in diameter of one to two metres deep. The harshness of the Arctic winter and the remoteness of the forest mean that scientists have very little opportunity to delve into its secrets. Even during the summer, the Guertin-Pasquier and his colleagues had to endure extreme conditions such as 80 km/h winds.

"There is so much mystery that surrounds this – for example, how these trees managed to survive the relentless dark of the Arctic winter," he said, adding that the next steps for this line of research could include looking more closely at other plant remains in order to get a better understanding of what the local flora was.

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R_R
1 / 5 (14) Sep 21, 2012
"there is so much mystery that surrounds this forest" - There is no mystery at all, when the pole was at hudson Bay 12,500 years ago this island was at a much greater southern latitude (farther from the pole" then it is today. I would bet my paycheck this forest is just 12500 years old. The only mystery is why people accept blatant nonsense like the ice ages, even in the face of overwelming evidence.
rockwolf1000
5 / 5 (3) Sep 21, 2012
"there is so much mystery that surrounds this forest" - There is no mystery at all, when the pole was at hudson Bay 12,500 years ago this island was at a much greater southern latitude (farther from the pole" then it is today. I would bet my paycheck this forest is just 12500 years old. The only mystery is why people accept blatant nonsense like the ice ages, even in the face of overwelming evidence.

I'll take that bet. Let's see your evidence.

R_R
1 / 5 (8) Sep 21, 2012
Ya will? If you are referring to age of the forest then I just giving educated guess, first off they give resoning based on paleomagnetic evidence which is useless because poles moved 2000 miles 10500 BC ( not guessing ) and second they say based on presence of extinct species which means absolutely nothing as far as I can tell, no they making evidence fit paradigm as always. And hey what you puting up?
ScooterG
1.7 / 5 (6) Sep 21, 2012
This article points out is that if there is in-fact global warming taking place, that the consequences won't necessarily be all bad, which some of us already knew.
Jonseer
3.4 / 5 (5) Sep 22, 2012
they give resoning based on paleomagnetic evidence which is useless because poles moved 2000 miles 10500 BC ( not guessing ) and second they say based on presence of extinct species which means absolutely nothing as far as I can tell, no they making evidence fit paradigm as always. And hey what you puting up?


WOW! Since you have NO idea what they are talking about, you decide they are making things up.

As professional researchers they KNOW about polar wander.

How the poles have wandered so much over billions of years has been known for quite a while for both types

It's hilarious you think they did the figuring themselves.

They probably just consulted a chart to know the orientation for a particular period in Earth's history.

When you go to the Dr. and hear a diagnosis you don't don't understand, do accuse him of making it up too?

That makes as much sense as you dismissing the researchers use of fossil animal because that means nothing as far as you know.
TomD
3.7 / 5 (3) Sep 22, 2012
they give resoning based on paleomagnetic evidence which is useless because poles moved 2000 miles 10500 BC ( not guessing )

Magnetic poles <> rotational poles. Are you making the argument that a change in magnetic pole position has an impact on climate? http://en.wikiped...r_motion
R_R
1 / 5 (8) Sep 22, 2012
Allow me a followup to clarify, if you have shifting physical poles and the magnetic pole is also constantly on the move and this island is smack in the middle of all this, then to try and date trees by paleomagnetic dating is far fetched to say the least and the fact they have included this dating method should show you they are grasping at straws (and why no C14?). As for the other dating technic used it is terminally flawed as well, you figure it out.

I'll make a prediction, this forest will be of tree stumps only, the impact blast or resultant tsunamis snapped all trunks off like twigs and caried them off far away. And the stumps will be pristine as if they grew just yesterday because the pole moved over top of this stump forest just 12500 years ago and froze them solid till this day, just like the mammoths of Siberia
R_R
1 / 5 (8) Sep 22, 2012
But any indication of a young age will never see the light of day, cant have a pole forest in the middle of an ice age now can we, sure fire way to lose funding and career, got to use whatever shady dating methods we can to push it back millions of years so no one pays too much attention to the fact theres a freakin forest at the north pole.

This is simple, this forest was not at the pole when it grew, the ice age is just another of the big lies of the master game, made possible because pawns like Jonseer
R_R
1 / 5 (8) Sep 22, 2012
Scooter, problem is this reasoning is based on a deeply flawed reasoning, namely the poles have been in the same position and ice free at times, polar areas have been found to be ice free because the pole was not there in the past. They are making very dangerous assumptions.
R_R
1 / 5 (8) Sep 22, 2012
Tom, I saying physical pole shift changed climate regionally due to change in latitude, and all past climate models must be adjusted because flawed.
R_R
1 / 5 (8) Sep 22, 2012
Also I should add there were no seasons before 10500 BC because the earths axis was near straight up before pole shift and this must be taken into account for climate models as well. Trees losing leaves for on set of winter is a very recent development. I'd also bet there is evidence of this somewhere in science but also suppressed as per norm.
Caliban
not rated yet Sep 23, 2012
There appears to be a possible time correlation:

http://www.abc.ne...4552.htm
Shabs42
5 / 5 (3) Sep 23, 2012
But any indication of a young age will never see the light of day, cant have a pole forest in the middle of an ice age now can we, sure fire way to lose funding and career


Ahh, the surprisingly popular batshit insane theory that SCIENCE as one large group will banish anyone who disagrees with SCIENCE'S dogma. Of course the reality is that anyone who could show strong evidence completely overturning so much accepted theory would become incredibly famous and well funded practically overnight. There are enough experts in every field and enough freedom of communication to make suppression of information on the scale some of you imagine completely unreasonable.

Not everything is a conspiracy. Also, not everything is so simple that everybody can understand it. For instance, I know just about nothing about paleomagnetic dating; but I'm willing to bet my paycheck that the people who do paleomagnetic dating for a living know more about it, and how to do it accurately, than you do.
jsdarkdestruction
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 23, 2012
Scooter, problem is this reasoning is based on a deeply flawed reasoning, namely the poles have been in the same position and ice free at times, polar areas have been found to be ice free because the pole was not there in the past. They are making very dangerous assumptions.

problem is you are out of your fucking mind. youve been shown countless times how your fantasy iss just that, fantasy,
R_R
1 / 5 (5) Sep 23, 2012
Dark and Shabs, You are perfect examples of why no one can overturn anything, you blindly believe what you have been told and have no interest in contridictory evidence brought to the table whatsoever, just interested in spouting off that I'm crazy and wrong. No different then countless researchers like copernicus experienced, things have not changed much. Mr Hapgood correctly determined the pole was at Hudson bay 12500 years ago and your so called open science has spent all its effort for over 60 years to ridicule and disparidge his work. Given I have eye witness evidence that proves he was right and more so all the physical evidence supports this conclusion before science has a chance to manipulate it, its hard not to believe conspiracy.

PS using paleomagnetic dating to date some rock is guess work at best given this island could have rotated as just one example of how that method could be flawed, using that rock to date a tree is a joke, but I know, you dont want to hear it.
Lurker2358
3.7 / 5 (6) Sep 23, 2012
R-R:

Do you have any idea how big of a collision it would take to cause a pole shift that large?

It would kill everything on the planet, probably including bacteria, viruses, and prions.

I'm pretty sure an event that large would re-melt the entire crust of the Earth before it caused that big of a pole shift.
R_R
1 / 5 (4) Sep 24, 2012
Lurker, first u have to understand the pole shifted then its time to figure out how, I mean north america was covered in ice and siberia was covered in mammoth and then the ice melted and the mammoth froze, I mean half of all large mammals went extinct, I mean a layer of impact nanodiamonds blanket the earth, I mean ever nation remembers a global flood, I mean theres a pristine 500 km wide bullet hole crater at hudson bay that could fit a 500 km wide meteor, I mean forests dont go to the pole, the pole goes to them, I mean the great pyramid is a "before and after" memorial, I mean its time to take the blinders off. have a good day.

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