Russia set to show off its first stealth fighter

August 16, 2011

A new Russian twin-engine T-50 jet fighter

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A new Russian twin-engine T-50 jet fighter lands at Zhukovsky airfield as it takes part in MAKS-2011, the International Aviation and Space Show, in Zhukovsky, outside Moscow, on August 14. Russia was due Tuesday to unveil its first stealth fighter, a T-50, to the public, lifting the curtain on a secret project designed to flood the market with cheaper versions of veteran US jets.

Russia was due Tuesday to unveil its first stealth fighter to the public, lifting the curtain on a secret project designed to flood the market with cheaper versions of veteran US jets.

The Sukhoi Tu-50, being developed jointly by Russia and India, made its maiden flight at a Far East air base on January 29, 2010 but is being presented to the public at the MAKS airshow outside Moscow for the first time.

Two of the single-seater fighter are expected to fly over the Zhukovsky air field in a show of Russian military confidence in the much-delayed project.

Russian officials said the final version of the jet will not be ready until the end of 2016. India was reported to be interested in up to 200 T-50 fighters for its air force while Russia was planning to order at least 150.

"The T-50 jet will provide the backbone not only of the Russian air force but also that of India," said Mikhail Pogosyan, president of the United Aircraft Corporation state aviation holding company.

"Russia's cooperation with India on this project will help it promote the fifth-generation jet on the foreign market," the RIA Novosti news agency quoted Pogosyan as saying.

Pogosyan had previously voiced plans to develop up to 1,000 jets over the coming decades, while state television said Russia hoped to control up to a third of the stealth fighter market in the coming year.

India, Russia's biggest arms client, agreed to develop the project in tandem with Moscow during a December 2010 visit to New Delhi by President .

New Russian twin-engine T-50 jet fighters
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New Russian twin-engine T-50 jet fighters fly over Zhukovsky airfield during MAKS-2011, the International Aviation and Space Show, in Zhukovsky, outside Moscow, on August 14. Russia was due Tuesday to unveil its first stealth fighter, a T-50, to the public, lifting the curtain on a secret project designed to flood the market with cheaper versions of veteran US jets.

The agreement put new life into a project that was first mooted in the late 1980s, when the Soviet Union identified a need to replace its existing Mig-29 and Su-27 .

The first US prototype of a -- the F-22 Raptor -- emerged nearly two decades ago and Russia only awarded the development contract in 2003.

Russia's state media reports last year said up to $10 billion was being poured into the jet's development but that the fighter would cost no more than $100 million.

The US raptor sells at $140 million a piece, a price tag that prompted Washington to order a halt in new jet purchases in 2009.

(c) 2011 AFP

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NotAsleep
Aug 16, 2011

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The maintenance on these will bankrupt the program within a few years. There's a reason other powers in the world don't have stealth aircraft...

$10 Billion in development? Yawn...
Techno1
Aug 16, 2011

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Fortunately, we've already got the counter-measures to this 20 years old technology, which we were able to research for the past 20 years.

Our ships are outfitted with lasers to assist in their AA capabilities, and we have lots of "weather" satellites orbitting the earth.

Hopefully, this isn't leading to another cold war or God forbid, world war 3.

What else is new though?

In the 80's, the U.S. and Russia played Iraq and Iran against one another, in the 50's and 60's it was China and Russia doing it with North and South Korea and Vietnam, and now it seems they are up to the same old shit again, except this time with India and Pakistan.

What kind of idiot government sells hundreds or apparently even thousands of stealth fighters to a country with a population of a billion?

Is Russia ASKING to get bitten by their own dogs?

haven't they learned what hindus and muslims are yet? They actually going to trust these lunatics with this technology?

this is NUTS...
Techno1
Aug 16, 2011

Rank: 1.7 / 5 (12)
I can understand they develop the shit for their own military, but sell it to hindus and muslims? Even after what happened to them in Afghanistan in the 80's and 90's? Man...they're either desperate, or they've lost their minds.

Else maybe this signifies a more sinister development in both Russian and Indian foreign policy.

There's a lot of people in India, and if Russia and trick their billion population "ally" into serving as cannon fodder, whether economically or physically, then their own goals may be advanced.

If they sell stealth weapons to both sides in India and Pakistan, or China...my God, they could get a billion people killed easy...

Not to mention these bastards will end up funneling it to what's left of terrorist organisations operating out of Iran and Syria and Lebanon.

Can you imagine Bin Laden's successor, whoever it is, armed with a stealth fighter or bomber?

I mean this is lunacy for sure...
Techno1
Aug 16, 2011

Rank: 2.3 / 5 (13)
This reminds me of the dumbass who invented the machine gun, just before WWI.

he literally sat around with his buddy, and they said, "We need to think of a more efficient way for Europeans to kill one another."

And then they invented the first models of the Machine Gun, and sold it to several countries on opposing sides.

It seems humanity really is nothing more than one screwed up race of murdering lunatics.
NotAsleep
Aug 16, 2011

Rank: 4 / 5 (4)
So on a scale of 1-10, 1 being you hate them just a little and 10 being you hate them a lot, you're saying you're an 11?

I'll be hanging out with the crowd that believes we actually landed on the moon, catchya later
that_guy
Aug 16, 2011

Rank: 4.3 / 5 (4)
So you expect this to backfire on russia. please, techno1, tell me exactly how russia should be afraid of india? Will India cross through china and invade russia, and then we'll have a big 8 armed menace, instead of the big red menace?

It makes no sense. Both countries are are regional powers nestled up to a regional superpower and some dilapidated second and third world countries. This does absolutely nothing to change the balance. Russia doesn't want to work with pakistan and neither does india, so where does that enter the equation?

The only thing I agree with you is that they will probably suffer from maintenance costs on top of an already very expensive jet. If you account for the cheaper labor costs, this jet is actually MORE expensive to build. It would cost 175M or more to make in the use due to wage differences.
KingDWS
Aug 16, 2011

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All you have to do is look at previous high tech orders. A good one is when Russia aircraft carrier to China. Actually think it sold 3 of them. One is after 20 years just about getting ready to go to sea. One is a floating museum and the last is a motel/hostel. They haven't even got to the expensive part of running these. Stealth aircraft are in no way low cow cost items either to purchase or to maintain or to operate. Every aircraft has to be in a hanger, this isn't for security from satellites (not that much anyway)this is actually to protect the stealth coatings. Want to base a B2 in Diego or some place then it needs a climate controlled hanger or the humidity attacks the coatings. Thats why home bases for these are in the desert. It's been a few years but the coating material was over $4000 a gallon and might have to be used after each flight depending on where they flew. A good tropical storm will make those T50's observable.Just have to wait til rainy season ;-]
LuckyBrandon
Aug 16, 2011

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techno-
we would know WW3 was coming before it ever erupted. Russia would likely first annex that which it lost when the red curtain fell. India seems to be more on the defensive than the offensive.
fmfbrestel
Aug 17, 2011

Rank: 4.2 / 5 (5)
If Steve Jobs was the President, we would sue the living crap out of Russia for patent infringement.
Moebius
Aug 17, 2011

Rank: 5 / 5 (3)
The closeness of the resemblance to one of our planes, if any, is probably an indication of how good their espionage is.
frajo
Aug 17, 2011

Rank: 4.3 / 5 (6)
If Steve Jobs was the President, we would sue the living crap out of Russia for patent infringement.

If Steve Jobs was Russian president, they would sue the living crap out of you for patent infringement and invoke a preliminary injunction barring you globally from selling any stealth plane.
rwinners
Aug 17, 2011

Rank: 1 / 5 (1)
Personally, I see no need for worry. The next world war will be nuclear. Fighter jets won't make much difference.
The nukes will start going off in the middle east.... and hopefully, they won't go farther afield.
MarkyMark
Aug 21, 2011

Rank: 5 / 5 (1)
The closeness of the resemblance to one of our planes, if any, is probably an indication of how good their espionage is.

Or it could be an indication of how good a shape it is for a Stealth fighter. Meaning based on the stealth tech used you will need certain shapes for it to work well. And hav to say Techno shold really soapbox elsewhere.
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