Too real means too creepy in new Disney animation

April 4, 2011 By RYAN NAKASHIMA , AP Business Writer

Too real means too creepy in new Disney animation (AP)

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In this film publicity image released by Walt Disney Studios, the character Milo's Mom, voiced by Joan Cusack, is shown in a scene from "Mars Needs Moms." (AP Photo/Walt Disney Studios)

(AP) -- Computer animation has a problem: When it gets too realistic, it starts creeping people out.

Most recently, moviegoers complained about the near-realistic depiction of humans in Disney's 3-D flick "Mars Needs Moms."

A theory called the "uncanny valley" says we tend to feel attracted to inanimate objects with human traits, the way a teddy bear or a rag doll seems cute. Our affection grows as an object looks more human. But if it looks too human, we suddenly become repulsed.

Instead of seeing what's similar, we notice the flaws - and the motionless eyes or awkward movements suddenly make us uncomfortable.

"Mars" may have plunged to the bottom of this valley of fear.

"People always comment on things feeling strangely dead around the eyes," said Chuck Sheetz, an animation director of "The Simpsons" and a professor at the University of California, Los Angeles. "If it gets too literal, it starts to feel false or has a strange effect."

Skin texture that is slightly off can especially leave people feeling unsettled, said Patrick Markey, a psychologist and director of Villanova University's Interpersonal Research Laboratory.

The near-realistic animation style championed by producer Robert Zemeckis uses motion-capture technology, where actors are covered with dots and skin suits and have their performances captured on computer. The dots provide the frame, and the rest is filled in with computerized graphics.

"Mars" creates humans that are more realistic and detailed than Zemeckis' earlier attempts in such movies as "Beowulf" and "The Polar Express" - which were also criticized for inviting this discomfort. The greater detail might have made things worse.

Doug McGoldrick, who took his two daughters to see the movie, said the faces of the main characters "were just wrong." Their foreheads were lifeless and plastic-looking, "like they used way too much botox or something," said the 41-year-old photographer in the Chicago suburb of River Forest, Ill.

Marc Kelley, a 32-year-old pastor in Allegan, Mich., who went with his two young children, said he found the renditions of characters "all annoying in their own way."

Indeed, when the mother of the main character Milo mentioned the word "zombies" at the start of the movie, it conjures up a feeling that the characters themselves are undead.

Animation experts say the key to success is to be only authentic enough to tug at our heart strings.

The best example of this was "Avatar," the 2009 blockbuster that made $2.8 billion in theaters worldwide. The humanoid, but blue-bodied Na'vi were alien enough not to trigger our inner rejection mechanism.

"My own personal opinion is try to stay away from photo-real with a human," said Greg Philyaw, the business development director at Giant Studios, which captured the performance of human actors for their digital re-creation in "Avatar." "Subconsciously you know what you're looking at isn't quite right."

The Walt Disney Co., by its actions, has already voted against the super-real animation format.

Last March, it said it would shut down the Zemeckis-run company ImageMovers Digital, which made "Mars," to cut costs. Several months ago, Disney also nixed a plan to fund and distribute Zemeckis' "Yellow Submarine," a half-finished work he is now free to shop to other studios.

Disney declined to comment for this story, and Zemeckis declined interview requests through an agent.

"Mars" had an estimated $150 million production budget, but has brought in just $34 million globally since its March 11 opening.

To be fair, there were other problems besides being visually unnerving.

For one, it appeared to be marketed at young boys who are interested in science fiction but also are closely attached to their mothers. That is a small group to begin with and neglects dads and daughters. Some young children also got scared about the plot involving mommy abduction.

"Mars" also came just a week after Paramount's 2-D animated movie, "Rango," starring Johnny Depp. Instead of appealing to fans because of the increasingly popular 3-D format, "Mars" may have annoyed theatergoers faced with higher 3-D ticket prices.

"If a movie's unappealing and you're trying to charge a higher ticket price for it, it makes it even less appealing," said Brandon Gray, president of tracking company Box Office Mojo. He noted that "Mars" had the lowest opening weekend for a wide-release 3-D movie ever.

Maija Burnett, associate director of character animation at California Institute of the Arts, took a broader view, even though the school teaches about the pitfalls of the "uncanny valley" in class.

"There's a continuing attempt to explore what the boundaries are within (computer generated) animation," she said. "Every film that uses this is one important step along the way."

In the "uncanny valley" theory, the valley isn't bottomless. As things grow more realistically human, our affection starts increasing again, climbing out of the valley on the other side. In other words, increasingly sophisticated animation might stop creeping us out and start fooling us.

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rgwalther
Apr 04, 2011

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Disney has been more and more creepy since the ultimate in media creepiness, Eisner, took over in 1985. Even though Eisner is gone from the Disney CEO position, his creepiness legacy will apparently fade very slowly.
JamesThomas
Apr 04, 2011

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"In the "uncanny valley" theory, the valley isn't bottomless. As things grow more realistically human, our affection starts increasing again, climbing out of the valley on the other side. In other words, increasingly sophisticated animation might stop creeping us out and start fooling us."

I think we are very close to this, and hopefully the "creepiness" stage will not slow down the efforts to pass through the valley. Imagine how much fum animation will be when we really are fooled.
PS3
Apr 04, 2011

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For the best animation in video games check out LA Noire videos it's amazing and not creepy.
LariAnn
Apr 04, 2011

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For me, it's just "growing pains" in the CGI arena. The success of Avatar indicates where things are headed, once the lapses in detail are ironed out with actual simulated humans in movies. I still see the future as being all CGI actors/actresses as this will cause filmmaking to be so much more economical and problem free (no unions, no dealing with astronomical-sized egos, etc.). At first, "beautiful people" will license their persona for digitizing and inclusion in movies, but later on, as the technology matures, sophisticated character synthesizers will be able to generate a nearly infinite variety of both male and female "stars" with exactly the right characteristics required by the film's creators. No more need for casting calls or unnecessary delays in starting a film due to the lack of just the "right" actor or actress! What a day that will be, and what a quandary it will be when we cannot distinguish between a CGI human and a real one on screen (or on the news)
jimbo92107
Apr 04, 2011

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Disney, creepy? How about a pretty young girl followed around by seven fawning dwarves? How about a "mouse" the size of a full grown man? How about Fantasia? Don't tell me that wasn't about a massive LSD trip...
Eikka
Apr 04, 2011

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I'm afraid the producers will opt for the easy way out of the problem in the near future and do the same thing as they always do when they're faced with the problem of balancing the effects budget.

Shorter cuts, faster action and shaky cameras with lots of panning and swirling around so you don't have a chance of actually seeing what's in the scene, so you don't notice the fact that the graphics are cheaply done crud.

That's why so many modern films have been so stroboscopic experiences. It's like a barber who moves the mirror too fast for you to see that he botched the back of your head.
bg1
Apr 04, 2011

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Maybe because at the bottom of this valley of fear, the people depicted look like animated corpses?
Sin_Amos
Apr 05, 2011

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"Paramount's 2-D animated movie, "Rango,"" ----ummmmmmmm, Wrong. It was 3-D. Please get some fact checkers before you post such atrocities.
SmartK8
Apr 05, 2011

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LariAnn: Also the actors will be available anytime later. No more too old, or dead actor replacements. You will be able to make a second season of that old, canceled show with an original cast. Pity it's not available now.
J-n
Apr 05, 2011

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i suspect that the Actor-less movies will be crammed down our throats for awhile. Once we realize that computer techs who program the carachters do not have the training or skill to provide realistic representations of human action, we will bring back the real live actors.

Then again we've gotten used to crap actors in movies already, we'll most-likely get used to crap animators creating emotionally 2d "actors" as well.
mondoblu
Apr 10, 2011

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Given that:
- I like animations that are not real.
- I like movies with real actors.
Conclusion:
- I don't need any animations that are similar to "real"!
Moebius
Apr 10, 2011

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This a bump in the road and the title is wrong, it should read 'Too Unrealistically Real'. When animation is unrealistic it has no standards or bars to hurdle, it can look like anything. When animation tries to be realistic the bar is set 'at realistic' and if they don't achieve it then it can look very strange. None have achieved looking realistic yet and that's why they creep people out. Beowulf is a good example. This is temporary, the technology to achieve total realism is not too far off and the creepiness will disappear, probably 10 or 20 years.

Moebius
Apr 10, 2011

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Acting is a dying profession and when animation achieves realism acting will be on its deathbed. Why would you want to look at live actors when animation looks as good or better? On the plus side it will resurrect long dead or old actors and give them new lives on screen, like a new Clint Eastwood western. It will also be able to correct bad casting and replace actors in movies where they should never have been, like Will Smith in the Wild Wild West. It will also become quicker and easier and will eventually be able to be done by anyone at home. When that happens Hollywood will be on its deathbed. Buy stock in YouTube, that will be the showcase of new movies someday.
Moebius
Apr 10, 2011

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And with regard to 'Mars Needs Moms', Hollywood needs to get over this insane notion that kids want to watch kids in movies. Get the damn kids out of movies and kids AND adults will watch them. Kids don't belong in most movies, they are added for the hell of it thinking kids will watch. They only belong in movies when it is necessary, like 'the Goonies' or 'the Incredibles'.
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