A meteor may have exploded in the air 3,700 years ago, obliterating communities near the Dead Sea

December 5, 2018 by Evan Gough, Universe Today
This photo shows trees felled from a powerful aerial meteorite explosion. It was taken during Leonid Kulik’s 1929 expedition to the Tunguska impact event in Siberia in 1908. The Tunguska site, the Chelyabinsk site, and the Tall el_Hammam site all show the same evidence of a meteor air burst. Credit: Kulik Expedition

A meteor that exploded in the air near the Dead Sea 3,700 years ago may have wiped out communities, killed tens of thousands of people, and provided the kernel of truth to an old Bible story. The area is in modern-day Jordan, in a 25 km wide circular plain called Middle Ghor. Most of the evidence for this event comes from archaeological evidence excavated at the Bronze Age city of Tall el-Hammam located in that area, which some scholars say is the city of Sodom from the Bible.

Archaeologists have been digging at the Tall el-Hamman site for 13 years, and have unearthed some pretty convincing evidence supporting the air-burst idea. The findings were presented on November 15th at the annual meeting of the American Schools of Oriental Research, by archaeologist Phillip Silvia of Trinity Southwest University. They were also published in a paper by Silvia and co-author and archaeologist Steven Collins called "The Civilization-Ending 3.7KYrBP Event: Archaeological Data, Sample Analyses, and Biblical Implications".

Tall el-Hammam was a thriving city state occupying Middle Ghor. The civilization had occupied the area for over 2,500 years. The city itself held the administrative center of the kingdom, and was protected by a perimeter wall up to 30m (100 ft) thick and up to 15m (50 ft.) high, for a linear distance of over 2.5km. The wall held multiple gates, towers, and likely other defensive features. But all that was obliterated when the meteor pierced the atmosphere and exploded over the area.

Evidence gathered at the Tall el-Hammam site tells the story of the event. When the meteor air-burst occurred, there was an intensely hot and powerful shock wave. The shock wave wiped out all settlements in the area and destroyed an area of 500 sq. km. And the area remained uninhabited for a remarkable 700 years after the event. Several lines of evidence support the likelihood of this event.

Silvia and Collins say in their paper that the destruction and the damage on walls and other structures in the city is directional, supporting the idea of a shock wave. In the past, archaeologist have wondered if an earthquake could have caused the collapse of the region, but an earthquake would not have caused the type of directional damage that the remaining structures and fortifications display.

Archaeologists also wondered if an earthquake that caused burning petro-chemical eruptions could have caused the destruction. This burning would have explained the thick layers of ash at Tall el-Hammam, but doesn't explain the "large-scale absence of tumbled mudbrick that would be typical of earthquake damage," according to the paper. Archaeologists have been studying the area for 13 years to uncover more evidence to explain the sudden event, and according to Silvia and Collins, they found it.

A pottery shard was found in the city that had one side melted to glass. Only extreme heat can do that. Examination revealed zircon crystals inside a bubble in the glass which could only have been formed by temperatures over 4000 Celsius. Additionally, the layer of melted clay that turned to glass is only 1 mm, not the entire depth of the shard. This indicates only a short burst of intense heat, rather than long exposure from something like burning petro-chemical eruptions. The research team concluded that the shard was exposed to temperatures between 8,000°C and 12,000°C for less than a few milliseconds. That certainly supports the idea of an airburst.

Researchers at the site also found what's called a "melt rock" weighing over 600 grams. It's an agglomeration of three different rocks melted together by extreme heat and covered with a layer of glass. This also contained zirconium crystals, and further analysis of the melt rock concluded that it had probably been exposed to 12,000 degree Celsius temperatures for a few seconds.

The painting “Lot and his Daughters” by Lucan van Leyden (1520) shows the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah being destroyed in the background. Credit: Lucas van Leyden – Web Gallery of Art, Public Domain, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=15395506

The final piece of evidence concerns what happened to the Tall el-Hammam area after the destruction. This region is considered the best-watered agricultural area in the region, yet after the Tall el-Hammam city-state was destroyed, the area remained unoccupied for about 700 years. What could have caused this, if the from the air burst lasted only a few seconds?

The answer lies in the soil, according to the researchers. Six samples from above, through, and below the soil layer from the time of the event were analyzed geochemically. The results showed "salt and sulfate levels > 6 percent (60,000 ppm) in the ash layer and > 5 percent (50,000 ppm) in the soil layers immediately above and below the ash layer," according to the paper. The source of these contaminants had to be the Dead Sea, which borders the Middle Ghor area.

The two scientists say that the massive shockwave and heat wave not only destroyed the settlements, but the shock wave deposited a layer of salts onto the top soil, destroying it and making it unable to support agriculture for hundreds of years. It only takes a salt content of 12,800 ppm to prevent wheat from germinating, and a salt content of 17,900 ppm to prevent barley from growing. Those thresholds were easily exceeded.

There is other evidence that supports the air burst theory behind Tall el-Hammam. Meteor air burst sites like Chelyabinsk and Tunguska have the same signatures of meteor air burst that Tall el-Hammam has. These include high levels of platinum, a high incidence of magnetic spherules, and also a high incidence of what are known as scoria-like objects (SLOs).

The researchers concluded that an airburst with a yield equivalent to a 10 mt nuclear warhead occurred about 1 km above northeast corner of the Dead Sea. They say this adequately explains all of the evidence gathered at Tall el-Hammam.

"Then the Lord rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the Lord out of the heavens. 25 Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, destroying all those living in the cities—and also the vegetation in the land." – Genesis 19:24-25

Some scholars think that Tall el-Hamman is the city of Sodom from the Bible. That idea has been around for a long time. It's in the right place, and a meteor air burst would certainly explain the Genesis quote. It's interesting that the Genesis quote mentions sulfur specifically, since a layer of sulfates and salt was deposited on the area by the event, destroying "the vegetation in the land." But not all agree.

Some scholars think that the geography is not correct. Others think the timeline is wrong. But with this new study, both sides will have to reconsider the whole issue.

The Bible is interesting from a historical perspective, because it sometimes interweaves actual events from history with the Christian mythology. Now that it seems reasonable that a meteor airburst did destroy the area that may have contained Sodom, we can lay to rest the idea that the Christian God sent down fireballs to punish homosexuality. It looks like once again, it was a perfectly natural event that led to an apocalyptic, mythological story, and that what people once attributed to Gods and Goddesses is just nature.

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More information: The Civilization-Ending 3.7KYrBP Event: Archaeological Data, Sample Analyses, and Biblical Implications. www.researchgate.net/publicati … iblical_Implications

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Nik_2213
not rated yet Dec 05, 2018
Hasn't the Italian Sirente Crater been attributed to a Roman-era impactor, rather than maar, mud-volcano etc ??
JohnXPeace
3 / 5 (6) Dec 05, 2018
Thanks, Evan Gough, for a well-researched story. Do you know how the meteorite event was dated to 3,700 years - by radioisotope dating or by archaeological methods?
True that the Bible has turned out to be historically accurate in many respects.

So your last paragraph ... with the greatest respect, may I ask if this was inserted in order to back off a little from appearing to support a belief system that you yourself don't adhere to? Your statement about mythology and 'laying to rest the idea' is in itself part of a belief system.

It seemed a little out of scope for a scientific article. But I enjoyed reading the article as a whole, and thanks.
Steelwolf
4.2 / 5 (5) Dec 05, 2018
In the time period the word 'sodomy' did not refer to sex at all, instead referring to displays of ostentatious wealth and extreme greed, which has been morphed and changed to same sounds with very different meanings. Of course, part of the ostentatious wealth and display was of slaves, and that may be from where the term later took a sexual connotation.
rrwillsj
2 / 5 (4) Dec 05, 2018
A natural event, a tragedy occurred 37 hundred years ago.

Otherwise why are Los Vegas, Salt Lake City, Miami. Atlantic City, Washington DC, London, Paris. Berlin, Moscow,Rome, Riyadh, Karachi, Delhi, Lhasa, Bangkok and a thousand other notorious locations even still existent?

I'm guessing the deity got bored with all the primitive savages claiming "they" were the voices of divine self-righteousness. & od course, NEVER forgetting to collect & pocket the tithes from the gullible.

The deoty just gave up that the fruitless quest to try & civilize us monkeys.

Too few results for too much effort, I'd say!
sparcboy
3 / 5 (4) Dec 05, 2018
rrwillsj .... Thanks for letting everyone know you have an extremely limited understanding of the recent evolution of human society. Do you think it's realistic to expect humans living some 3,700 years ago with very little information about the universe to not have a belief system? Are you aware every human society of any size that lasted any time in the past had formal belief systems?
Photonics
3.8 / 5 (5) Dec 06, 2018
I am neither Jewish nor religious, but let's get the attributions correct. The story of Sodom and Gomorrah appears in the Hebrew Bible, only later adopted as a precursor to Christian Bible 'mythology'. Some of the Hebrew Bible, based on real events, real locations and people who actually existed, is more correctly described as Jewish history; some is stories probably acquired from other traditions; some is mythology. Lumping it all together as 'Christian mythology' and attributing the S&G destruction to a 'Christian God' is far too simplistic. Transitioning any part of the Bible from myth to true event is fascinating.
Da Schneib
3 / 5 (4) Dec 06, 2018
Too many stories taken into the Bible from the Talmud are blatant propaganda for it to be believable.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.6 / 5 (5) Dec 06, 2018
Lot had been warned to take his family and "get out of town" by the three men who were in reality Angels. How could Lot have known otherwise of the coming destruction of the 2 towns and their inhabitants? There were no instruments for watching the heavens at the time. It could not have been only coincidence that Lot knew and understood that it was too dangerous to remain.

""Then the Lord rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the Lord out of the heavens. 25 Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, destroying all those living in the cities—and also the vegetation in the land." – Genesis 19:24-25"
The fact that sulfates are found in the soil where vegetation once grew is proof of complete destruction.

Although a brother of Abraham (Avram), neither Lot nor Abraham were "Jews", as the term Jew only became the title of those who came from the region of Judea who spoke Hebrew. They were not all descended from Abraham and his half-sister/wife, Sarah.
Ojorf
4.4 / 5 (7) Dec 06, 2018
^^^
How is this for bass-ackward reasoning:
~God says, via his word in the bible, that the city was destroyed and it rained down burning sulfur.
~Science proves the city was destroyed and it did rain down burning sulfur.
~Therefore science proves the bible is correct.
~Since science proved the bible is correct Lot was warned by angels ahead of time.
~Since Lot was warned ahead of time, it proves god exists, else how could he have known?
~Science proves god exists!!!

LOL
rrwillsj
3 / 5 (2) Dec 06, 2018
Sorry sparcboy,, but you & s_e_u & jxp are solid proof that the Human Race has failed to evolve beyond our monkey ancestors.

I have as much authority to abuse primitive superstitions.
As any of you have the authority to preach plagiarized scriptures stolen from ancient cults of sanguinary practices.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (4) Dec 06, 2018
True that the Bible has turned out to be historically accurate in many respects
Ha no, the bible said god did it, not a meteor. God needs a meteor to do his work like he needs a spaceship to enter the galaxy (look it up.) Or fundys to kill apostates for him.

But god does work in mysterious ways doesnt he? This however is no doubt just one more example of unscrupulous priests appropriating popular events and places and writing them into their fables to lend credence where it doesnt belong.

And maybe spiderman does live in NYC.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2 / 5 (4) Dec 06, 2018
True that the Bible has turned out to be historically accurate in many respects
Ha no, the bible said god did it, not a meteor. God needs a meteor to do his work like he needs a spaceship to enter the galaxy (look it up.) Or fundys to kill apostates for him.


You could say that God did it. But the true meaning is that God CAUSED it to happen. This is due to the fact that God CREATED Matter/Energy - thereby having the ability to control a material body/object such as a meteor, etc. to do His Will. There is nothing magickal about it - perfectly natural.

But god does work in mysterious ways doesnt he? This however is no doubt just one more example of unscrupulous priests appropriating popular events and places and writing them into their fables to lend credence where it doesnt belong.
says SpookyOtto

It is only mysterious to such as YOU and other humans. Priests, rabbis, shamans, etc. are all human and most don't recognise the true Creator and His Works

Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2 / 5 (4) Dec 06, 2018
-contd-
@SpookyOtto
Perhaps rrwilliejoe is right about some humans - loving their comic book characters, such as your Spiderman. Is that one of your heroes that you choose to believe in? But of course - as comic book heroes can do you no harm nor good. except in your own mind.

Your apparent complaint that the Creator works in "mysterious ways" is attributable to your lack of understanding of the Creator's control of the Natural Order. You can't fathom the reasons for things happening as to the purposes and their outcomes regarding mankind. So because you lack understanding of God's Powers, you had decided early in your life to reject that of which you have no knowledge nor understanding. You can never fully understand the Works and the Mind of the Creator, as you are only a mortal that is not far removed from your monkey roots of which your DNA is living proof.

You quote the Bible, chapter and verse - but you, as most others do, take the Bible at only 'face value' ,
Solon
3 / 5 (1) Dec 06, 2018
The Sodom and Gomorrah story is an allegorical drama, as were may bible stories. The bible can not be taken literally, it is a mystical book.

Sodom & Gomorrah Part 1
https://www.youtu...v2z31LNk
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2 / 5 (4) Dec 06, 2018
-contd-
@SpookyOtto
You reject God the Creator also because you feel powerless to control the events that are uppermost in your concerns - particularly your concerns for the future of the human race as the "outgrowth" of human sensuality and its sensual/sexual outcomes - which you vigorously oppose and consider to be deplorable. Being a student of, and steeped in, human history, you haven't much faith in humanity, and even far less in the Creator which you are unable to see nor to understand much about Him. This lack of knowledge bothers you endlessly as too many things and events are completely out of your control - where you have undergone the transition into a neurosis-type of malady.
So you have come to physorg in order that you may prove to yourself (and to others in the site) that you are perfectly normal. But your words in this science website are recorded for posterity and your repetitious meanderings wrt God and mankind belie your true neurosis.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2 / 5 (4) Dec 06, 2018
The Sodom and Gomorrah story is an allegorical drama, as were may bible stories. The bible can not be taken literally, it is a mystical book.

Sodom & Gomorrah Part 1
https://www.youtu...v2z31LNk
says Solon

The biblical Old Testament, apart from the first few chapters and verses of Genesis, are regarded as a history of the Hebrews aka Jews. The Adam and Eve story that was related to the scribes by the Angels who gave that information was NOT a history of the Hebrews, since there was no such things as a Hebrew/Jew and is actually a history of humanity long before religions were made up by men to gain control of populations.

An allegory is an interpretation to reveal a "hidden meaning". In biblical times, symbolism/allegories/secrecy were rampant - as a man could be murdered for being a member of a different sect/religion. Apparently, Sodom and Gomorrah were rife with acts of homosexuality, which was/is an abomination in the Eyes of the Creator.
torbjorn_b_g_larsson
3.7 / 5 (3) Dec 06, 2018
Oy vey.

A few days ago this site promoted pseudoscience archeoastronomy from a non-archaeological predatory journal, and here it promotes pseudoscience "biblical science" from a religious university "upholding biblical authority" on a collaborative dig with other similar pseudoscientists.

The paper – which is a conference proceeding and it is unclear to me that if it has seen archaeological peer review – is portrayed as scant of evidence but starts out with that the lead author "has been declaring his conviction that Tall el-Hammam is biblical Sodom". So it is eager pattern search and there is no evidence such as names or site history connecting it to the religious myth.

Such a connection, that would connect an event that predates the first archaeological evidence (the Dead Sea scrolls) of the religion and its myth with ~ 1,300 years by oratory (before written texts appears in the area), is unlikely to say the least.

-tbctd-
torbjorn_b_g_larsson
3.7 / 5 (3) Dec 06, 2018
-ctd-

The article has other problems. It claims that the myth text "is interesting from a historical perspective, because it sometimes interweaves actual events from history with … mythology". That would be a very scant "sometimes", since to my knowledge it gets only one local king correct from about 2 centuries before the basal texts appear. If one would be generous it also mentions a hostage situation and its correct place – we have independent historical records – around that time, but inflates the scope enormously from a few princes and entourage to a whole population. And that error is from just 2 centuries of retellling, Half of the texts are known to be archaeologically or even historically outright wrong, at other times as here we have no definitive evidence either way.

Suffice to say, this is not science.
torbjorn_b_g_larsson
3.7 / 5 (3) Dec 06, 2018
Some of the Hebrew Bible, based on real events, real locations and people who actually existed, is more correctly described as Jewish history
.

That "some" is never quantified; as I already noted there may be - to my skeptic knowledge - *one* historical claim correct. Half of the claims have been claimed to be outright wrong by archaeologists and historians; some king names are real but the myth gets the order wrong et cetera, since it is original oral tradition and no real written history from at least two independent sources.

The confused media claims of historicity is from pseudoscientists such as "biblical historians". Not only is this "intended" as myth, blatant merging of older religions and vague retellings of oral traditions, the seed to the later embellished texts is much younger than the confused claims state.

- tbctd-
torbjorn_b_g_larsson
3.7 / 5 (3) Dec 06, 2018
-ctd-

Dead Sea Scrolls are from after the upheaval of the Hellenic conquest are a real archaeological find and is consistently dated and witness the assembly of the myth core.

Fun support: The cross symbol torture use was never practiced - not found by archaeologists - but seems to be Alexander's beach torture of citizens from the Phoenician city of Tyre after the army nearly got stuck there. *Real* historical texts - two independent sources - describe how he used two beams in an X config in the sand to show the resistance that they should better give up (he was in a hurry). Retellling may easily have made Josephus, the first jewish sort-of-historian, put X as a cross some 500 years later.

Real history; you cannot beat that for drama and meaning (torture is bad, say).
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Dec 07, 2018
Oy vey.

A few days ago this site promoted pseudoscience archeoastronomy from a non-archaeological predatory journal, and here it promotes pseudoscience "biblical science" from a religious university "upholding biblical authority" on a collaborative dig with other similar pseudoscientists.

The paper – which is a conference proceeding and it is unclear to me that if it has seen archaeological peer review – is portrayed as scant of evidence but starts out with that the lead author "has been declaring his conviction that Tall el-Hammam is biblical Sodom". So it is eager pattern search and there is no evidence such as names or site history connecting it to the religious myth.
-tbctd-
says tbgl

Are you Jewish? I have noticed that you say, "OY VEY" quite frequently in your comments. There are Jews in Sweden, of course. But I find it strange that you use the language of the Jews while you are an avowed atheist who declares biblical history only as "MYTH".
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Dec 07, 2018
-contd-
So, by your very words in your comments above - there is no such thing as a Jew or Hebrew - and the claims by the Jews that the state of Israel is the Jewish homeland - is all mythical, and there is no historical fact to any of it, isn't that right?
If that is the case, then all of those European Jews, Asian Jews, Black African Jews who claim to be Jews have settled in Israel illegitimately - and Israel is actually the Palestinian homeland. This would mean that the Palestinians have every right to force those Jews out of Israel (formerly Palestine/Filistine), is that correct? Are you willing to right the wrongs done against the rightful owners of Israel/Palestine - the Palestinian people? Since by YOUR words, the biblical history of the Jews is all a myth.
StudentofSpiritualTeaching
2.3 / 5 (3) Dec 08, 2018
I find it funny that the religionists only celebrate the fact that a meteor explosion qualifies for the destruction of these two ancient cities. Yes, it has some similarity with the bible's current version of story. Assuming that the short summary on Sodom and Gomorrah contained in this text http://www.future...port_215 is closer to the real events, the God-believers have even more to celebrate. The sadistic human being named God who was alive during the old testament times did apparently indeed more actively engage than only enjoying the meteor explosion.
Da Schneib
3 / 5 (2) Dec 08, 2018
The archaeological evidence seems pretty clear, in terms of melted stones, melted pottery, and core samples. That gives a pretty good date, if I understood correctly, @torbjorn. I agree that trying to link it in anything a thousand years before is probably not really great evidence for the Babble about the super magic sky daddy by the drunken stone age sheep herders' oral traditions or the propaganda on top of it.
Da Schneib
3.7 / 5 (3) Dec 08, 2018
The Battle of Hastings was a thousand years ago, and we have no accurate casualty figures. We know Harold was killed and William won the battle. And that's about all we know.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Dec 08, 2018
My oh my - it has now been 2 days since I asked torborn b.g. larsson this very legitimate query with regard to what he has to say about the religion of the Hebrews wrt the Creator God as the One who gave the Jews the land of Israel.

"Are you willing to right the wrongs done against the rightful owners of Israel/Palestine - the Palestinian people? Since by YOUR words, the biblical history of the Jews is all a myth."

Evidently, tbglarsson is willing to say that biblical history is but a myth - but he is reluctant to say anything regarding the illegitimacy of Jewish/Hebrew occupation of the Palestinian land that is called Israel. Perhaps tbglarsson is of the opinion that the Jewish ownership of Real Estate in the Middle East is much too important to have it given back to its rightful owners - possibly because the rightful owners are now of the Muslim religion.
But as tbglarsson and others reject the existence of God, then the Jews are thieves who STOLE Israel from Palestinians
granville583762
5 / 5 (2) Dec 08, 2018
This scientific precious

JDs got his work cut out this festive season
once he reads this page
will see red mist before his eyes as he rids these petulant priests
From his precious

TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (2) Dec 08, 2018
Pussytard says
illegitimacy of Jewish/Hebrew occupation of the Palestinian land that is called Israel
Archeology tells us that the OT stories are all myths. Sephardim are decendents of Jewish converts. According to Shlomo Sand and many others the diaspora is also a myth - monotheism spread around the mediterranean by proselytism and propagation, not refugees from the holy land.

In addition, ashkenazi were originally residents of the khazar empire who fled west when their lands were overrun by mongols. They never were in palestine and thus have no claim to it.

The hebrews were just another canaanite tribe who never left palestine. Their tribal god jehovah along with his wife asherah were the equivalent of moloch, belphegor, marduk and the rest of the canaanite tribal gods.

The decendents of these hebrews and the Palestinians really have no intrinsic right of ownership because they ALL came from somewhere else, and ALL of their gods are myths.
Cont>
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.7 / 5 (3) Dec 08, 2018
The Israeli constitution declaring the jews the rightful inhabitants of Israel was never ratified, most likely because it wouldn't hold up in court. The term 'democratic Jewish state' is an absurd one, like declaring the US a christian state.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (4) Dec 08, 2018
The real nature and purpose of israel: a garrison state and a western bridgehead into the middle east. And who better to serve this purpose than the people with perhaps the strongest nationalist identity in the world today?

Bound by a mythical tradition that is the basis of the worlds 3 great religions, persecuted throughout the centuries, decimated during the great demographic readjustment that was world war 2, and eager for retribution.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Dec 08, 2018
@SpookyOtto
Calling people "pussytard" is a clear indication that your penis is too tiny to make any woman happy/orgasmic/satiated and maybe even pregnant - thus making it impossible for you to have normal sex with a human female - thereby your search takes you into alleyways where you just might manage to capture a biitch that is in heat that won't bite you.

That being said, all that you have related here is old news and has been mentioned in the several articles in the media that have an atheistic bent - as well as in too many of your old comments from the past.
In other words, you are boring everyone with your same old/same old drivel. We have read it all before - multiple times.
We also understand that YOU consider this topic to be YOURS exclusively - since you are not smart enough to know that many humans have come and gone - while spouting what they believe to be true - which is their belief system. That is also YOUR belief system.
Amen.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
1 / 5 (1) Dec 08, 2018
Archeology tells us that the OT stories are all myths.


Does that mean that archaeologists have all determined that the stories are all myths and have decided to quit digging/searching for more evidence - pro or con?

Sephardim are decendents of Jewish converts.


You spelt descendants wrong. Exactly how do you KNOW that all Sephardim have descended from converts? Have you taken a poll of each one or their families? DNA samples?

According to Shlomo Sand and many others the diaspora is also a myth - monotheism spread around the mediterranean by proselytism and propagation, not refugees from the holy land.


Shlomo Sand is an idiot. If that was the case, then there would have been no need for return if the Jews were still all there and had never left Israel.
Monotheism was spread by Paul (Saul) to the Greeks, Scythians, etc.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
1 / 5 (1) Dec 08, 2018
LOL I seem to have inverted the above quotes and my comments - sorry
granville583762
5 / 5 (1) Dec 09, 2018
Is it not so over 2000 yrs ago
the original inhabitants
we call Israelis
fled the approaching Roman Empire
and in their absence
the surrounding inhabitants of this barren land
over the intervening 1000s of years
slowly settled on this barren land
just
as
in
this
Sceptered land
has over these 1000s of yrs
seen empires come and go
from
Romans
Vikings
Normans
and uncle tom cobbley and all
and
so
Ghostly Otto
take pride in your heritage
as
you
might
be
Insulting your grandmother
granville583762
5 / 5 (1) Dec 09, 2018
They lost their Mojo

these Israelis
on retuning
to their heritage land
made the fatal mistake
as
they
had
vacated this land
over 2000 yrs ago
just
as the rule of the land
if you vacate your field
for 7yrs hence
and in the mean time let dweller for those 7yrs
these dwellers gain right to this land
and
so
these returning Israelis
by
virtue of time
had
Fore gone their right to their original occupancy
these
Israelis
in their haste
should have gone to live amongst the now natives of their land of old
as any immigrant goes to foreign lands
and live amongst the natives and become a native
and so are welcomed as any individual person is where ever we settle in the world
this is how the Israelis lost their right
as this is a fight the Israelis cannot win
they lost their land
they lost their good luck, charm and skill
They lost their Mojo
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (1) Dec 09, 2018
"the Jews of ancient Israel [canaan] were a clan of connected tribes who coalesced over hundreds of years."

"Elhaik is now calling the world's top geneticists "liars" and "frauds.""

"shared haplotypes between Sephardim and Ashkenazim samples, firstly described by Bedford et al. (2013)... may have resulted from a recent introgression of Sephardic lineages into the Ashkenazi gene pool."

"as Ostrer has pointed out, some of the same markers can be found in Palestinians, distant genetic cousins of the Jews, as well. Palestinians, understandably, want their own 'right of return'."
there would have been no need for return if the Jews were still all there and had never left Israel
Theres no need for German Americans to return to Germany is there? As dr Sand points out, jews in palestine were writing major holy books after the so-called diaspora. Jews were already widely dispersed by that time. Traditional evidence for the diaspora has been discredited.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (1) Dec 09, 2018
Calling people "pussytard
Just acknowledging the pirouette/pussycat_eyes/obamasocks et al lineage of crackpot 900 ft tall glassy-headed martian-loving, sweet sorghum-farming, sex up against the microwave, fake NASA engr trolldom that is you.

Pussytard is her own tribe.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
not rated yet Dec 09, 2018
@SpookyOtto
YOU are insane. It is obvious that all of those names above are all YOU. I don't have any other user names and have never needed any.
So that anyone who reads your comments would understand that YOU ARE PUSSYTARD.
Perhaps you are pissed that you have been abandoned and are no longer the leader of this website - and that 2 others have stolen your thunder. Isn't that it, Spooky?
granville583762
not rated yet 13 hours ago
They lost their Mojo

In their haste
these Israelis
forgot
one
important point
their ancestry
these Israelis are from this arid land of rocky desert
and
so
are related to these now natives of this land
they are the same race
if they had returned as immigrants
they are indistinguishable from the natives
and so
in their embittered haste
they
Have lost their Mojo
granville583762
not rated yet 13 hours ago
The Quickening

Judgement day
if you can live amongst the natives as a native
worship at these ancient temples
stand before the wailing wall
you
have
arrived
the fight is won
without one single drop of blood spilt
if
this
was
in the name of religion
Oh holy ones
you're
In
for
One Almighty Reckoning
when
the that finality of day
arrives
The Quickening
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet 12 hours ago
YOU are insane. It is obvious that all of those names above are all YOU. I don't have any other user names and have never needed any
Funny... they all used to say exactly the same thing.
no longer the leader of this website
-Same idiotic POV, same cognitive dissonance... what exactly is this leadership post called? Czar? Kaiser? What powers does the physorg grand poobah possess? Certainly not the ban hammer.

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