Paradise lost: California fires rage on

Firefighters battle flames at the Shadowbrook apartment complex in Paradise, north of Sacramento, California—the town has been r
Firefighters battle flames at the Shadowbrook apartment complex in Paradise, north of Sacramento, California—the town has been ravaged by the late-season wildfire

Firefighters in California on Saturday battled raging blazes at both ends of the state that have left at least nine people dead and thousands of homes destroyed, but there was little hope of containing the flames anytime soon.

More than 250,000 people have been ordered to evacuate a wide area near the state capital Sacramento and, in southern California, the Hollywood resort town of Malibu.

So far, all nine fatalities were reported in the town of Paradise, in Butte County, where more than 6,700 buildings—most of them residences—have been consumed by the late-season inferno, which is now California's most destructive fire on record.

From miles around, acrid smoke could be seen in the sky around Paradise, the sun barely visible. On the ground, cars were reduced to metal carcasses, while power lines were also gnawed by the flames.

Locals fled the danger, but police told AFP some farmers returned to check on their cattle.

"The magnitude of destruction we have seen is really unbelievable and heartbreaking, and our hearts go to everybody who has been affected by this," said Mark Ghilarducci, the director of the California Office of Emergency Services.

Governor-elect Gavin Newsom declared a state of emergency to provide assistance to the hardest-hit areas in the fire-prone state.

Abandoned vehicles sit at a car lot in Paradise, north of Sacramento, California on November 09, 2018
Abandoned vehicles sit at a car lot in Paradise, north of Sacramento, California on November 09, 2018

The fast-moving blaze in the north, which authorities have named the "Camp Fire," broke out early Thursday.

Fanned by strong winds, it has so far scorched 100,000 acres (40,500 hectares) and is 20 percent contained, the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection (Cal Fire) said Saturday. So far, three of the more than 3,200 firefighters deployed have been injured.

They estimate they will need three weeks to fully contain the blaze.

Butte County Sheriff Korey Honea said four people were found dead inside a vehicle in the Paradise area, while another was found nearby. Three more were found outside a residence, and one inside a house. Dozens of other people were reported missing.

Local power authorities have told state officials an outage occurred near the spot where the fire erupted, The Sacramento Bee reported, but there is still no official cause of the Camp blaze.

President Donald Trump, who was in France for World War I commemorations, drew criticism online for his somewhat unsympathetic reaction to the devastation.

"There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor," Trump tweeted Saturday.

California fire
Map of California locating active fires as of November 9th, and focusing on the ravaged town of Paradise

"Billions of dollars are given each year, with so many lives lost, all because of gross mismanagement of the forests. Remedy now, or no more Fed payments!"

Malibu mansions in flames

In southern California, more wildfires burned, including one just north of Los Angeles and another in Ventura County near Thousand Oaks, where a Marine Corps veteran shot dead 12 people in a country music bar on Wednesday.

Authorities said some 200,000 people are under mandatory evacuation orders, including the entire city of Malibu.

The "Woolsey Fire" had consumed around 69,000 acres, destroyed at least 150 homes and was so far not contained, the Ventura County Fire Department said, adding that evacuation orders were issued for some 88,000 homes in the county and neighboring Los Angeles County.

"We heard this was coming so we set up the sprinklers and we hosed the whole house down," said Malibu resident Patrick Henry. "We pretty much had enough time to get the dogs in the trunk."

Malibu is one of the most in-demand locations in California for stars seeking privacy and luxury.

A house burns in the Hollywood resort town of Malibu—about 88,000 homes have been evacuated in Los Angeles and Ventura counties
A house burns in the Hollywood resort town of Malibu—about 88,000 homes have been evacuated in Los Angeles and Ventura counties

Reality TV star Kim Kardashian West, who lives just north of coastal Malibu, revealed she was forced to flee her home.

"I heard the flames have hit our property at our home in Hidden Hills but now are more contained and have stopped at the moment," she said on Twitter. "I just pray the winds are in our favor."

Actor Martin Sheen, briefly reported missing by his actor son Charlie, was also forced to evacuate.

"We're fine, we're at Zuma Beach and we're probably going to sleep in the car tonight," Martin Sheen told Fox News 11, adding that it was the worst fire he had seen in 48 years of living in Malibu.

The wildfire reached Paramount Ranch, destroying the Western Town sets used for hundreds of productions including HBO'S sci-fi western "Westworld," officials and the network said.

Director Guillermo del Toro tweeted that Bleak House, his museum of horror movie memorabilia, was also in the path of the flames.

A local resident speaks with firefighters stationed along the Pacific Coast Highway to battle the flames in Malibu
A local resident speaks with firefighters stationed along the Pacific Coast Highway to battle the flames in Malibu

Utter devastation

In Paradise, the flames destroyed hundreds of homes, a hospital, a gas station, several restaurants and numerous vehicles, officials said.

Mandatory evacuation orders were issued for more than 52,000 people in the scenic area in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada mountains.

"The whole lower side of Paradise is totally engulfed in right now," Kevin Winstead, a resident of nearby Magalia, told KIEM TV.

"Not one home will be left standing," he said. "I'm devastated."

The National Weather Service said Saturday and dry conditions were to continue through the weekend.


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Nov 10, 2018
""I was wrong" about Trump's commitment to LGBTQ rights." ... Caitlyn Jenner

""Hey, @realDonaldTrump, Listen the f--- up," Alyssa Milano tweeted Friday

"Martin Sheen calls Trump 'disgusting' in Dem fundraising email"

"Guillermo del Toro said Monday that Donald Trump's America is like a cancerous tumor..."

""It's important that we try to do as many things as we can because he's in power and we don't give up." cher

"Lady Gaga went to Trump Tower in Manhattan last night to protest the results of the presidential election."

Etc.

Huh.

Nov 11, 2018
While parts of California burns, rich politicians like Maxine Waters gives only lip service to her constituents' needs where many live in impoverished squalor and crime-infested neighborhoods, as she and her husband live in grand style in a fine mansion. A true Trump hater.
Martin Sheen and son, Charlie Sheen, who managed to contract HIV from a transvestite, are also Trump haters.
Most of Hollywood actors, producers, directors, etc. - Trump haters
California, a Blue State is majority Trump haters where known Conservative-Republican good people are ostracised, vilified, and harassed to the extent that many of them have moved out of the state to more friendly places - not to mention the ridiculously high taxes from which they escaped.
Personally, I would have never left the UK if we'd had a strong leader like Donald Trump as our Prime Minister. And with that in mind, I know that I would have been quite unpopular in California.

Nov 11, 2018
Butbutbutttheresnoglobalwarming

Nov 11, 2018
Hopefully, the beautiful redwood forests, Muir Woods and other such forests will not burn also. At least one of the "Planet of the Apes" movies was filmed at Muir Woods.

Nov 11, 2018
Too many of the hills in southern California are denuded of trees - any trees. But there are plenty of windmill farms on top of those hills - and a lot of dead birds including stately eagles.

I predict a very cold winter - lots of snow and ice, and more Arctic ice for the polar bears to live on. All of the higher latitudes will freeze and there will be plenty of 'lake effect' to disatisfy global warmists.

Nov 11, 2018
The Camp Fire started in the Plumas national forest.

Repeat for the stupids in the audience NATIONAL FREAKING FOREST. Get it? Like as in US national. Like as in not under California jurisdiction.

Now, who's been cutting funding for the National Forest Service again?

Any questions?

Nov 11, 2018
In the soggy Shires
SEU> Hopefully, the beautiful redwood forests, Muir Woods and other such forests will not burn also. At least one of the "Planet of the Apes" movies was filmed at Muir Woods.

There is a simple reason these fires are raging
Logging restrictions and not clearing up the leaf litter
It matters not the reason why SEU, the fires are raging because of logging restrictions
As the loggers creating huge wind breaks by logging and they clear the leaf litter in the process
With the result the fires cannot cross the logged timber
Now these burnt trees are increasing the CO2 output
And now furniture cannot be made out of the burnt wood
The furniture takes CO2 out of the atmosphere
And another important point SEU, these fires have cost lives, homes, and wasted billions$$$
whereas logging would have prevented the fires and employed the poverty stricken souls you mention
And logging would have put billions$$$ into the economy

Nov 11, 2018
The loggers plant new redwood trees as they log
Too many of the hills in southern California are denuded of trees - any trees. But there are plenty of windmill farms on top of those hills - and a lot of dead birds including stately eagles.I predict a very cold winter - lots of snow and ice, and more Arctic ice for the polar bears to live on. All of the higher latitudes will freeze and there will be plenty of 'lake effect' to disatisfy global warmists.

The environmental loggers
They are running a business
Plant as they log
Welcome to the environmental tree preservation society
SEU, as you view
The tree denuded landscape
Take heart SEU
It was
In good faith
To protect the trees
Even though
The loggers
Plant as they log
So think on this thought SEU
The logging restriction
Was to protect the trees
As without logging
The fires burn the forest down
Where as
The loggers
Plant
What
They log
And prevent the fires taking hold
There by protecting the trees

Nov 11, 2018
Good to see you, granville. Hope you are well.

Da appears to be trying to place blame for possible future lowering of funding to the National Forest Service on President Donald Trump.
The President is only allowed to make Recommendations, but it is CONGRESS who makes the legislative decisions. It is they who make or change laws.

"The executive budget proposal is the first step in the federal appropriations process. Final funding levels for 2019 will be determined by Congress."
http://wildlife.o...et-cuts/

The beautiful Muir Woods (redwood/sequoia forest) is one of the National Forests, by the way.
**ERROR** The last 3 "Planet of the Apes" movies were filmed in British Columbia, Canada - not at Muir Woods as I had mistakenly thought.

It is the Democrats who dislike logging and wish to save the trees, but they are, in effect, causing more forests to burn.

Nov 11, 2018
@SEU is lying again. The maintenance of national forests has been execrable for decades due to Republican tax cuts. Combined with defunding of the National Forest Service, which includes defunding of forest fire response teams, and with ignoring anthropogenic global climate change, fire disasters in California are going to become as common as hurricane disasters in Florida. In fact they already are.

The Camp Fire need never have gotten so big. It could have been stopped by federal fire crews... if there were any.

This is duh.

Nov 11, 2018
Regarding the California forest fires - copied these links from main page of DrudgeReport:

Death toll hits 25 from wildfires at both ends of California...

Extreme 'devil winds' may worsen...

Cities handing out masks...
Firefighters slam Trump for 'shameful attack'...

STARS FEAR THE WORST...

Looters Dressed As Forest Service Workers...

Nov 11, 2018
Sorry. It seems that the links did not work. But the titles give you an idea of what is happening in California.

Nov 11, 2018
Yeah, happening in California as a result of cutting taxes and denying anthropogenic climate change since Reagan.

Now billions of dollars worth of national forest are burning every year. It doesn't come out of the budget so idiots don't care. Idiots like @SEU.

Nov 11, 2018
@SEU is lying again. The maintenance of national forests has been execrable for decades due to Republican tax cuts. Combined with defunding of the National Forest Service, which includes defunding of forest fire response teams, and with ignoring anthropogenic global climate change, fire disasters in California are going to become as common as hurricane disasters in Florida. In fact they already are.

The Camp Fire need never have gotten so big. It could have been stopped by federal fire crews... if there were any.

This is duh.
says Da Jerk

Trump has only been President for 2 years, so that the defunding of the NFS must have happened during the Obama administration that lasted for 8 years.
Republican tax cuts since Trump was elected was good for Americans and gave them more money to spend to help the economy. Even Walmart workers have been given pay raises and many of them are Democrat voters.
Hurricanes are natural and normal occurrences - not human-caused.

Nov 11, 2018
Yeah, happening in California as a result of cutting taxes and denying anthropogenic climate change since Reagan.

Now billions of dollars worth of national forest are burning every year. It doesn't come out of the budget so idiots don't care. Idiots like @SEU.
says DaJerk

Tax cuts don't cause fires in California or elsewhere. Higher taxes/raising taxes cause poverty amongst middle-income citizens who aspire to become wealthy if possible, but cannot attain enough revenue to save or as disposable income due to Democrat politicians making the decision to raise the income taxes of hardworking Americans - to support and maintain those who are on the dole and/or choose to not work for their keep. Illegals to be included when they arrive.

Career Firefighters are paid well to do their jobs. They could also be put to work cleaning out the underbrush and old and/or dead trees instead of waiting until there is a forest fire when it is too late for cleanup of underbrush.

Nov 11, 2018
To date, I have not seen ANY governmental body of any nation excite and incite their populations to conserve and recycle, as well as prevent pollution of land and waterways by propaganising and promoting such values in every social media, magazines, newspapers, plus radio and TV on an hourly basis until humans finally get it. Humans are mostly complacent about such things - unless they are educated enough to become truly motivated and deeply concerned/caring about their home planet. Otherwise, humans couldn't care less and would be content to behave like the chimps whose DNA they share - and sit around picking the lice off each other.
LOL

Nov 11, 2018
Welcome back SEU
It's gone strangely religious in your absence
Considering the shrinking 5star club membership
when it had a major outburst in a final
push to rid this site of the religious element earlier this year
The very atheist's have come out in religious fervour as each day they get closer to their maker
Being young of heart SEU, I get younger with each passing day
The secret is only to be found in the Shires amongst the thatched cottages villages and rolling countryside

Nov 11, 2018
Tax cuts don't cause fires in California or elsewhere.
So the National Forest Service money for firefighters comes from, what, jebus? Space aliens? Gun taxes?

@SEU is lying again.

Nov 11, 2018
"How many coincidences before it becomes mathematically impossible?
Amount of fires in CA past 12-months?
Amount of fires in CA past 10-years?
Date FED funding cut off from CA as result of violation(s) of Sanctuary State/City?
CA budget cuts past 12-months re: Fire & Prevention?
Reduce/eliminate dry brush clean up?
Reduce/eliminate tree-line clean up?
Reduce/eliminate fire break installation(s)?
Reduce/eliminate chopper fly over(s) to target 'high exposure' areas?
Reduce/eliminate population areas exposure & fire break safety management? 
Reduce/eliminate use of inmates [correction facilities] for Highway clean up and dry brush removal? 
What is the primary purpose of declaring a State of Emergency?
What determines the size of the FED payment to a State that has declared a State of Emergency? 
What is the current debt of CA?"
Qanon

Nov 11, 2018
Let's be extremely clear: the Plumas National Forest Fire (which is being called the "Camp Fire" to distract from its real origin) burned for days before it got out of Plumas and into California lands, where it started doing real damage to peoples' homes. There were no US National Forest Service firefighters present at the Plumas National Forest Fire. California firefighters battled this fire in a National Forest without assistance from the Natonal Forest Service for days and no one from the National Forest Service showed up, and they have not to date.

Meanwhile the Trumpster Fire is whining about "billions." Bullshizz. They didn't spend a dime.

I think California shouldn't send any more money to the Trumpster Fire. All the money that's supposedly owed can be put against the costs of the fires in California and the Trumpster Fire can reimburse the insurance companies.

Nov 11, 2018
Da scheide splatted,
The Camp Fire started in the Plumas national forest
-So (1)did it stay in the nat forest? (2)What are the reasons why it did not stay in that forest? (3)Is Malibu in thAT forest? (4)Does Charley sheen live in that forest? (5)Is the ash heap formally known as Paradise in that forest? (6)Are those 100 dead people in that forest? (7)WHY the fuck does it matter where it started?

Nov 11, 2018
Here's the fire map, read 'em and weep, @The GOO. Shall we call you a waaaaambulance?

http://fortune.co...gle-map/

If you're gonna lie at least check The Google first.

Nov 11, 2018
So_explain_why_where_it_started_is_relevant.

Nov 11, 2018
And explain why you dont provide references for anything you say.

Nov 11, 2018
For instance
National Forest without assistance from the Natonal Forest Service for days and no one from the National Forest Service showed up, and they have not to date
This is a lie.

Nov 11, 2018
So_explain_why_where_it_started_is_relevant.
Because it could have been stopped if there were National Forest Service firefighters deployed. There were none. Apparently the National Forest Service doesn't have enough money to deploy them. Maybe you forgot.

And explain why you dont provide references for anything you say.
The map is right there, reference provided. You're lying again, @The GOO.

If you claim USNFS personnel showed up then it's up to you to prove it.

@The GOO lies again.

Still need the waaaaaaaambulance I see.

Nov 11, 2018
Because it could have been stopped if there were National Forest Service firefighters deployed. There were none. Apparently the National Forest Service doesn't have enough money to deploy them. Maybe you forgot
Sorry but you havent documented any of this.
burned for days before it got out of Plumas

"the fire started on November 8, 2018, in Butte County... Within the first day, the Camp Fire had essentially destroyed the town of Paradise..."

Nov 11, 2018
And from your map you'll note that most of the damage occurred is occupied, state-managed land.

From the qanon post:
"CA budget cuts past 12-months re: Fire & Prevention?
Reduce/eliminate dry brush clean up?
Reduce/eliminate tree-line clean up?
Reduce/eliminate fire break installation(s)?
Reduce/eliminate chopper fly over(s) to target 'high exposure' areas?
Reduce/eliminate population areas exposure & fire break safety management?
Reduce/eliminate use of inmates [correction facilities] for Highway clean up and dry brush removal"

-These are all the things the state needs to do in occupied regions to protect its citizens. But because it has spent itself into near bankruptcy it doesnt have the money. And because tree-huggers and movie stars want to keep the foliage because pretty.

Nov 11, 2018
Still no answer why USNFS personnel never showed up.

@The GOO is lying again.

Nov 11, 2018
See how smart you're not?

You think this is bad? Wait until the earthquakes hit. Major cities could go up in firestorms.

Nov 11, 2018
Yeah I did dumbass. The fire was out of the national forest within a few hours.

"Soon after the ignition of the Camp Fire, initial attack firefighters were dispatched... Arriving 10 minutes later, the first units on scene observed rapid fire growth and extreme fire behavior, due to low humidity and high winds in the area... Shortly after the fire erupted, the Butte County Sheriff's Office ordered the evacuation of Paradise... Due to the speed of the fire, many residents of Paradise were unable to evacuate before the fire arrived. By 8:18 pm PST that day, the fire had burned 20,000 acres (8,100 ha) and threatened about 15,000 structures..."

Nov 11, 2018
This is from 2008, but is still quite relevant today.

https://www.perc....-system/

Nov 11, 2018
Only you didn't show any USNFS personnel showing up.

You're lying again, @The GOO.

I want my federal income tax back. Gavin Newsome can spend it on protecting the forests the Trumpster Fire won't.

Nov 11, 2018
And BTW
If you claim USNFS personnel showed up then it's up to you to prove it
I didnt claim that.
burned for days before it got out of Plumas
You really are a lost cause arent you?

Nov 11, 2018
If they didn't then you lied again, @The GOO. Gimme my tax money back, we'll spend it better than your giant orange gaping farting lying azzhole does.

Nov 11, 2018
And another from 2014:

https://www.usda....-insects

Vilsack also discussed the need for Congress to approve a provision in the Obama Administration's 2015 budget proposal that creates a special disaster relief cap adjustment for use when costs of fighting fires exceed Forest Service and Department of the Interior budgets, as is expected to happen this year. A May report showed that the cost of fighting fires could reach nearly $1.6 billion this year, more than $500 million over the Forest Service's firefighting budget.
When actual firefighting costs exceed firefighting budgets, the Forest Service has to engage in what's known as "fire transfer," where funding for fire suppression is transferred mid-year from non-fire programs, including forest management activities that treat areas impacted by insects and disease and reduce the incidence and severity of future wildfires.

Nov 11, 2018
If they didn't then you lied again, @The GOO
You made a statement and didnt provide any refs to back it up. You make up a LOT of infantile bullshit such as
Let's be extremely clear: the Plumas National Forest Fire (which is being called the "Camp Fire" to distract from its real origin) burned for days before it got out of Plumas and into California lands, where it started doing real damage to peoples' homes. There were no US National Forest Service firefighters present at the Plumas National Forest Fire. California firefighters battled this fire in a National Forest without assistance from the Natonal Forest Service for days
...'for days'.

You have to ref what you say. Especially since you have a reputation for being a compulsive liar.

Nov 11, 2018
I have relatives who lost their homes in those fires, while you folk argue over who is right. Does it matter where it started, as much as how we deal with the circumstances which cause them?

Nov 11, 2018
You think this is bad? Wait until the earthquakes hit. Major cities could go up in firestorms.
Ignore userQuoteReport
TheGhostofOtto19233 / 5 (2)

-Better fill up a few more barrels georgie.

Nov 11, 2018
I have relatives who lost their homes in those fires, while you folk argue over who is right. Does it matter where it started, as much as how we deal with the circumstances which cause them?
says gkam

Well look who's here - the antiCapitalist himself. You never did send me a cashier's check worth half of all of your wealth, Georgie. I was so willing to relieve you and the Mrs. of your unwanted burden. But you obviously changed your mind and decided to keep ALL of your KAPITAL along with your bragging rights for claiming to be an antiCapitalist who only pretends to be.

Sorry to hear of your homeless relatives. Why don't you offer them a room in YOUR house? I would bet a tuppence that they would give almost anything to have their Capital again.

California is famous for its mentally ill homeless population. Anyone of them could be a firebug roaming through the woods setting fires here and there. And you Liberals love and protect them - they're so fortunate.


Nov 11, 2018
Welcome back SEU
It's gone strangely religious in your absence
Considering the shrinking 5star club membership
when it had a major outburst in a final
push to rid this site of the religious element earlier this year
The very atheist's have come out in religious fervour as each day they get closer to their maker
Being young of heart SEU, I get younger with each passing day
The secret is only to be found in the Shires amongst the thatched cottages villages and rolling countryside
says granville

I have been on this planet for aeons and still feel no older than 22 Earth years - oh ok 23.
In what way religious, granville? Religion is a manmade product of the mind, designed to provide a relief from the fear of death in the believer. Once the mind finds out at a young age, that the cells of his/her body are continuously being replaced and that those cells that make up the body will one day die all at once - or maybe die a little at a time - unimaginable fear sets in

Nov 11, 2018
-contd-
I don't think that they have found religion exactly, but are hoping that science may provide all of the answers that will relieve them of their fear of death.
Of course it can't.
The membership is still here - lurking in the shadows - while pretending to having other mundane things to do with their life. Each one wants to belong - to be a part of other peoples' lives - and most of all, to matter.
I know that I did NOT bring Religion to this site. As a Creationist, I do not have much in favour of Anthropocentric religions where the Soul comes in second or third place behind the 5 senses and sensuality. Can a rabbit live with snapping turtles?
The atheists that you refer to have no reference (by choice) to having been a creation by a Creator, but they are avid fans of their monkey brethren and relish the relationship - practically drooling at the idea. They are welcome to it.
Ahhh In the Shires - my Mum misses her ancestral home - I will not reveal where.

Nov 11, 2018
If they didn't then you lied again, @The GOO
You made a statement and didnt provide any refs to back it up. You make up a LOT of infantile bullshit such as
Let's be extremely clear: the Plumas National Forest Fire (which is being called the "Camp Fire" to distract from its real origin) burned for days before it got out of Plumas and into California lands, where it started doing real damage to peoples' homes. There were no US National Forest Service firefighters present at the Plumas National Forest Fire. California firefighters battled this fire in a National Forest without assistance from the Natonal Forest Service for days
...'for days'.

You have to ref what you say. Especially since you have a reputation for being a compulsive liar.
I ain't the one who lies. Can't prove a negative. The burden of proof is therefore yours. Produce an article or stop lying.

Nov 11, 2018
@SpookyOtto
I accidentally gave you a "1" rating when I had intended to rate your post a "5" in your earlier post - the one with the list. I thought that you were quite accurate in this forum and not as deplorable as is your usual wont. Keep up the good work.

Nov 11, 2018
And ring in @SEU lying again. No firefighters showed up from the USNFS. So what are we supposedly paying for again?

Nov 11, 2018
DaJerk asks -
And ring in @SEU lying again. No firefighters showed up from the USNFS. So what are we supposedly paying for again?


Why don't you give Governor Moonbeam a call and ask that of him, eh? You haven't offered any evidence that "no firefighters showed up from the USNFS". Exactly HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS??
Did a bunch of men show up at your door to tell you that they are from the USNFS and have decided to not go to the fire?
If such firefighters live IN California, they most certainly showed up to fight the fires. Even if they had not been paid for a month, they still would have been there to put out that fire.
Just because they didn't tell YOU that they were going to the fire, doesn't mean that they did not bother to show up.
Firefighters are a dedicated lot, by their very nature. "Once a smoke eater - always a smoke eater."

Nov 12, 2018
So, no federal firefighters, huh?

Gee, ain't that somethin'. /s

As for how I knew, I knew because the giant orange anus was deflecting blame about it.

Nov 12, 2018
So, no federal firefighters, huh?

Gee, ain't that somethin'. /s

As for how I knew, I knew because the giant orange anus was deflecting blame about it.

says DaJerk

I didn't say that - YOU did.
Fed Firefighters aren't always carrying a sign saying that they are FED government employees to inform everyone who they are. They just get into gear to fight the fire. Some of them die and some of them are severely injured. That also goes for State firefighters.
But there will be many other fires when these are put out - that's the nature of the Beast.

The Budget is set by Congress for funding the different Agencies. President Trump has no control over who gets how much funding. So your blaming Trump proves that you're a dumb cuck with an ax to grind.

Nov 12, 2018
If you got a link bring it. Otherwise, guess not. Looks like you're lying for jebus again, this time the orange one.

Nov 12, 2018
SEU religion is a human emotion
Stems from not addressing the cold light of day
The grand maker always makes his presence known
Take these forest fires as an example
How many are placing the blame on these fires on lack of finance
Blaming trump, fire fighters
The Reality
These fires are caused by banning logging
The religious element that is creeping in SEU
This strong tendency to not address the problem?
Wasting billions$
In a religious protective environmental cause
Under the pretext of saving the trees
It's surprising how many commentators believe this religious fervour
You have to cruel to be kind
Fell these trees and the fires would not spread
Sell the wood, use some of the money
To plant more trees, to fell when they mature
Redwood forests would proliferate in there millions
Edward Bliss in Brandon hall Suffolk in the 1800s
Planted a million trees in the sand
The forestry commission manage this still standing forest
http://www.brando....org.uk/

Nov 12, 2018
I accidentally gave you a "1" rating
Uh who cares pussytard?
I ain't the one who lies
"California firefighters battled this fire in a National Forest without assistance from the Natonal Forest Service for days" ahaahaaaa
Can't prove a negative
Of course you can you sot. Look it up.

De scheide the sad loner came here and found a tribe of AGWites who would tolerate his self-delusion in return for a little loyalty. So in typical tribal fashion he gets to break all sorts of rules against their enemies because, they're not really people are they?

Thanks for the demonstration loser.

Nov 12, 2018
From the Plumas National Forest web site:

https://www.fs.us...B5440562

The Forest also assigns at least two Forest Services firefighters as crew bosses to go out with the Crew.
Wow, a whole two! What, they each got 500 million dollars? Yay!

Oh, look, workers on the fire line get a whole $15/hour!!!111!!oneone!! No billion dollars there I think.

Next?

Nov 12, 2018
Sorry you're all butthurt when you have to deal with facts.

Typical loony conservative whining. Sorry you're all butthurt and stuff.

Nov 12, 2018
SEU religion is a human emotion
Stems from not addressing the cold light of day
The grand maker always makes his presence known
Take these forest fires as an example
How many are placing the blame on these fires on lack of finance
Blaming trump, fire fighters
The Reality
These fires are caused by banning logging
The religious element that is creeping in SEU
This strong tendency to not address the problem?
Wasting billions$
In a religious protective environmental cause
Under the pretext of saving the trees
It's surprising how many commentators believe this religious fervour
You have to cruel to be kind
Fell these trees and the fires would not spread
says granville

Thanks for the link. I will try to visit BrandonCountryPark one day when I holiday at my other home in the nicer area of London next year.
I must fully agree with the rest of your post also. American Liberals/Socialists claim the role of conservationists, but are not

Nov 12, 2018
-contd-
Those Americans who identify themselves (and by others) as "tree huggers" and "tree worshippers" are of the religious sort - the kind who tend to ascribe a form of sentience to trees, and will fight their hardest to prevent their beloved trees being cut down - quite possibly having watched too many movies where trees have the ability to speak, such as in "The Lord of the Rings" and other titles.
But the US is a very big land mass, in comparison to the UK's land mass where, I believe, the UK suffers from not enough forest and other wooded areas where the 'little folk' supposedly dwell. LOL
America has her "Big Foot" and "Chupacabra" and haunted mansions, etc. to entertain the average American citizen. There is an ongoing push these days for people to get into the outdoors to enjoy the forests and wildlife, while also reminding them to drown the campfires twice before leaving. I suspect that not all forest visitors are inclined to be diligent and watchful as they should

Nov 12, 2018
egg unit, please go away.

Nov 12, 2018
egg unit, please go away.
says gkam

And what are YOU doing for the State of California, george? Since you are a self-professed antiCapitalist who refuses to part with a mere HALF of all your wealth/Capital that you claim to hate and give it to ME, I would expect you to do YOUR part to help your Governor Moonbeamer by going out to the forests that are still intact to remove as much underbrush and old dead trees to help prevent more forest fires and destruction of properties and lives.
Oh wait - I almost forgot that antiCapitalists don't believe in property ownership (except for themselves), since ownership of property is also antiSocialist/antiCommunist.
And we must recognise the needs of the politics-driven Proletariat and those on the dole as being far more important than the needs of the middle-income worker and his family. Isn't that right, georgie-boy?

Nov 12, 2018
I am not a self-confessed anything.

Please go away.


Nov 12, 2018
California also has been in drought for all but a few years of the 21st century and is now experiencing its longest drought, which began on Dec. 27, 2011, and has lasted 358 weeks, according to the U.S. Drought Monitor .Nearly two-thirds of the state is abnormally dry.

Add to this the fact that the anti-logging agenda of people like Gov Brown has created a store of dead kindling from trees that were killed by beetle infestation when they became weakened from drought.

The greenie agenda of Gov Brown disallowed timber companies from removing non-viable trees that could have been harvested & put to lumber, instead it was left standing & became the fuel for the fires we see in the designated Campfire of the Sacramento area.

Ventura county to the south is a somewhat different situation, but there were enough cutbacks in creating fire break areas that would have slowed down the pace at which fire proceeded. I have relatives living there & we get daily reports from them.


Nov 12, 2018
No, Brown did not stop the removal of dead trees.

Nov 12, 2018
No, Brown did not stop the removal of dead trees.


Are you excusing their non-removal? You think it was the correct forest management policy, right?

Nov 12, 2018

https://www.fs.us...B5440562
Yes, that's the one about the whole two federal firefighters. I guess they cost $500 million each. According to your giant orange jebus anus, @SEU.

Add to this the fact that the anti-logging agenda of people like Gov Brown has created a store of dead kindling from trees that were killed by beetle infestation when they became weakened from drought.
Got a link for that, @Lenni_The_Liar_And_Plagiarist?

Nov 12, 2018
Add to this the fact that the anti-logging agenda of people like Gov Brown has created a store of dead kindling from trees that were killed by beetle infestation when they became weakened from drought.
Got a link for that, @Lenni_The_Liar_And_Plagiarist?


.....and look what comes along to throw his foul mouthed name calling rant into life & death going on in CA? Yeah, Mr 19th Century ScienceGuy.

Hey asshole, I have relatives out there that are out of their homes & don't know if they'll be standing when they get back, & you in all your deadhead ranting makes you sound like the lead cheerleader for gross incompetence for your favorite political affiliations, greenies.


Nov 12, 2018
Add to this the fact that the anti-logging agenda of people like Gov Brown has created a store of dead kindling from trees that were killed by beetle infestation when they became weakened from drought.
Got a link for that, @Lenni_The_Liar_And_Plagiarist?


.....and look what comes along to throw his foul mouthed name calling rant into life & death going on in CA? Yeah, Mr 19th Century ScienceGuy.

Hey asshole, I have relatives out there that are out of their homes & don't know if they'll be standing when they get back, & you in all your deadhead ranting makes you sound like the lead cheerleader for gross incompetence for your favorite political affiliations, greenies.


Says the Russian stooge.

Nov 12, 2018
So no link. @Lenni_The_Liar_And_Plagiarist is lying again. No surprise I guess.

Nov 13, 2018
Good to see you again, Benni
I was reading an article earlier wrt some of the causes of California forest fires. The reasons for the fires:
1. Arson
2. Lightning
3. Power lines
4. Human caused other than arson

It is mostly caused by Lightning strikes that ignite very dry wood and leaves. The Santa Ana winds are really bad this year and the drought has only ended, so California is vulnerable to conflagrations. Forest fires and earthquakes are normal in California.

Nov 13, 2018
Brandon the desert of East Anglia
104F in the desert of East Anglia and American jets fighters inches from the leaf litter
Brandon Hall where Edward Bliss planted a million trees
The Forestry Commission planted the largest forest in Great Britain during WWII
Wood for the war effort
Surrounds Lakenheath base the largest airfield in the country
All Americans know Lakenheath base as the largest English American overseas airfield
Lakenheath airfield especially hardened designed to stand runway busting bombs from German WWII bombers
Thetford forest and logging roads wider than freeways
Americans hire bikes and cycle these forest trails amongst the squirrels and deer
Managed and logged and planted by the Forestry Commission and even though planted in the desert of East Anglia's sand dunes
Brandon forest has not lost one tree since its conception
When Edward Bliss
Planted
The first sapling
In the 1800s

Nov 13, 2018
It is mostly caused by Lightning strikes that ignite very dry wood and leaves


........yes, and where did all the "dry wood" come from? The "dry wood" is the dead trees that should have been taken for timber after dying from the drought conditions followed up by bark beetle infestation that finally killed what little life was left in affected trees, I've been there I've seen it.

There has been just about ZERO logging going on in CA for over ten years, thanks to gkam type greenies who are utterly ignorant & don't care about forest management.

I own lots & lots of property, I completely understand the concept of forest management & I don't need lectures from novice greenie acolytes on how to manage timber on my property. I know dead trees can create a fire danger as well as invite beetle infestations which can rapidly spread to healthy trees if infected trees are not removed, and this has been CA's greenie problem, nonremoval of the fuel that destroyed Paradise.

Nov 13, 2018
WOODMAN, SPARE THAT TREE

Woodman, spare that tree!
Touch not a single bough!
In youth it sheltered me,
And I'll protect it now.
'Twas my forefather's hand
That placed it near his cot:
There, woodman, let it stand,
Thy axe shall harm it not!

Let its wood rot
Go tinder dry
Let natures
Spark of ignition
Light those tinder's
and let the whole forest
to the ground burn.
https://www.youtu...f_OIFnrw

Nov 13, 2018

"Let natures
Spark of ignition
Light those tinder's"

Two chances to get the use of the apostrophe right, and you got both wrong.

Nov 13, 2018

"Let natures
Spark of ignition
Light those tinder's"


gkam> Two chances to get the use of the apostrophe right, and you got both wrong.

It be not a spelling exercise old chap
or do you agree, gkam
it be an exercise in the saving the forest old bean
or do you agree with not logging
there by not creating fire breaks
so letting the fire burn the forest down
In the good cause of good puntuation
gkam, you need to get your priorities in order
as your not thinking straight

Nov 13, 2018
@Benni; you are completely nuts if you think CA doesn't practice strong forest management. They clear fire breaks, they clear out dead brush. But you can only do so much on the funds we get out of the middle class. So shut the F up. The problem as I see it is you rooskies love to poke into places just to muck things up.

The CA fires like most on the Pacific West are fundamentally linked to global warming. It's pretty well described in science. Basically, AGW has warmed the Pacific Ocean causing a very pronounced El Nino effect that is altered the climate of the Pacific West causing droughts. With an occasional outbreak of incredibly intense rain from the massive amounts of water evaporated from the additional Heat. It's a bad situation that most likely will progressively deteriorate in time.

Nov 13, 2018
@Benni; you are completely nuts if you think CA doesn't practice strong forest management. They clear fire breaks, they clear out dead brush. But you can only do so much on the funds we get out of the middle class. So shut the F up. The problem as I see it is you rooskies love to poke into places just to muck things up.

The CA fires like most on the Pacific West are fundamentally linked to global warming. It's pretty well described in science. Basically, AGW has warmed the Pacific Ocean causing a very pronounced El Nino effect that is altered the climate of the Pacific West causing droughts. With an occasional outbreak of incredibly intense rain from the massive amounts of water evaporated from the additional Heat. It's a bad situation that most likely will progressively deteriorate in time.
says howhot3

Hold on there, lady. Funds you get out of the middle class??? People of the middle class can barely make ends meet and are already barely able to afford

Nov 13, 2018
-contd-
a nice place to live and necessities and to send their children to a safe and decent school. That middle class is suffering from already high income taxes and other high taxes in California, as well as severe regulations and insufferable neglect from Liberal/Socialist politicians such as Governor Moonbeamer who is most concerned with Hollywood types like cher, barbra, and Hanoi Jane and their attempts to influence California government legislators to raise income taxes ever higher on the "middle class" workers. It seems that in Blue states like California, it is the middle class that is ostracised and put upon to support those Sanctuary Cities where illegal immigrants are welcomed to pick lettuce at the cheapest, lowest wages possible. And Maxine Waters looks as though she daily stuffs her head into her toilet bowl after having used it. What a loser. And she has the nerve to blast President Trump when he is doing a fantastically wonderful job of running this country.

Nov 14, 2018
And another thing, @howhot3 - western states such as California has ALWAYS been subjected to forest fires.
Historical impact
The Santa Ana winds and the accompanying raging wildfires have been a part of the ecosystem of the Los Angeles Basin for over 5,000 years, dating back to the earliest habitation of the region by the Tongva and Tataviam peoples.[15]
The Santa Ana winds have been recognized and reported in English-language records as a weather phenomenon in Southern California since at least the mid-nineteenth century.[1] Various episodes of hot, dry winds have been described over this history as dust storms, hurricane-force winds, and violent north-easters, damaging houses and destroying fruit orchards. Newspaper archives have many photographs of regional damage dating back to the beginnings of news reporting in Los Angeles. When the Los Angeles Basin was primarily an agricultural region, the winds were feared particularly by farmers for their potential to destroy crops.[1]

Nov 14, 2018
"Softer aims might be politically realistic, but they are physically unrealistic. Only shifts commensurate with the scale of our existential crises have any prospect of averting them. Hopeless realism, tinkering at the edges of the problem, got us into this mess. It will not get us out. ", Lizia Woolf. UK Environmentalist in regards to going CO2 neutral by 2025.

@S-egg-unit and others with your view are not seeing the severity of the problems caused by global warming, CA's year-long fire 'season' is just one of the thousands of environmental signals in the death spiral our planet is in from AGW.

Nov 14, 2018
Egg Unit squats in Britain. He knows nothing of the American West.

Nov 14, 2018
Good grief, above, stands the wall of STUPID .
Why are the houses burned and not the trees ? Because they are too F**king stupid to build the fireproof houses that are readily available . Nature has adapted to these natuaral events, man has not , nor will they ever, California being the land of stupid .

Nov 14, 2018
California being the land of stupid.


Funny that California, being so full of stupid, has the 5th largest economy in the world, and makes an over-sized contribution to the national GDP that no red state is even close to. Guess that makes all those free-loading red states positively cretinous!

Nov 14, 2018
Egg Unit squats in Britain. He knows nothing of the American West.

I had to finally put SEU on ignore- so much absolutely uninformed drivel!


Nov 14, 2018
Egg Unit squats in Britain. He knows nothing of the American West.

I had to finally put SEU on ignore- so much absolutely uninformed drivel!

I tried that. If everyone would do it it would work; but they don't. So instead I point out the inconsistencies in their arguments and 1 vote them every time I get a chance.

Nov 14, 2018
@howhot3
As I said in my post above:

"Historical impact
The Santa Ana winds and the accompanying raging wildfires have been a part of the ecosystem of the Los Angeles Basin for over 5,000 years, dating back to the earliest habitation of the region by the Tongva and Tataviam peoples.[15"

I copied that and the rest of it from Wikipedia. Perhaps SOME people don't believe what is written in Wiki since they have given it a "1" rating.
5,000 years and more has southern California been subjected to Santa Ana winds, devastating forest fires, droughts, floods, lightning strikes, landslides, earthquakes and other sources of natural holocausts.

Snoosebaum is right. Fireproofing materials are readily available in California. And yet, houses are left unprotected as fire retardant and fireproofing of building materials are often ignored.

Since howhot3 and others here are so concerned about AGW, then they might want to look into euthanising at least half of the world's population?

Nov 14, 2018
Egg Unit squats in Britain. He knows nothing of the American West.
says gkam the fake anticapitalist

Britain? Where is that? I know of no country called "Britain". Did you never study Geography in school?


Nov 14, 2018
The fact you don't know the difference between chaparral and forest says @gkam is right, @SEU.

Nov 14, 2018
When and where did the term "chaparral" show up in this forum previously? I looked it up and found that there are only 2 incidences of the word "chaparral" in this forum, and the first one is in DaJerk's post above mine. And the second is in my post right here.
gkam did not mention anything about a chaparral, so obviously DaJerk doesn't know what he is talking about - as usual.

Nov 14, 2018
It's what's burning in SoCal. Dumb da dumb dumb, dumb da dumb dumb duhhhh.

Try the google on the Intertubes for 'woolsey fire "chaparral"" if you can figure out how the google works. But anybody who's lived or even visited there and was paying attention knows what it is.

Nov 14, 2018
It is absolutely unbelievable to me that anyone would not know what chaparral is or how it burns. I have known this since I was about 8 years old.

And even more unbelievable that someone who has never been to California claims to know anything about it whatsoever.

Nov 14, 2018
Just so we're clear here:

https://en.wikipe...eography

Malibu's dry brush and steep clay slopes make it prone to fires, floods, and mudslides.
The "dry brush" is chaparral. It's a common biome along the California coast. You can see plenty of it south of Monterey.

Nov 14, 2018
https://en.wikipe...haparral

Chaparral is a shrubland or heathland plant community found primarily in the US state of California and in the northern portion of the Baja California Peninsula, Mexico. It is shaped by a Mediterranean climate (mild, wet winters and hot dry summers) and wildfire, featuring summer-drought-tolerant plants with hard sclerophyllous evergreen leaves, as contrasted with the associated soft-leaved, drought-deciduous, scrub community of coastal sage scrub, found below the chaparral biome. Chaparral covers 5% of the state of California and associated Mediterranean shrubland an additional 3.5% The name comes from the Spanish word chaparro, for evergreen oak shrubland.

Nov 15, 2018
Just to make it clear for anyone who didn't figure it out, that drought-tolerance is due to waxy, oily leaves on the plants so they don't lose so much water. It's highly flammable.

Nov 15, 2018
Chaparral, . . . as in Manzanita.

Nov 21, 2018
GhostOfOtto - "Qanon"

LOL! Alzheimers is a horrible disease broadly infecting most Trump Supporters.

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