NASA picks ancient Martian river delta for 2020 rover touchdown

November 19, 2018 by Kerry Sheridan
This NASA file image released on November 19, 2018 shows the Jezero Crater delta on Mars

NASA has picked an ancient river delta as the landing site for its uncrewed Mars 2020 rover, to hunt for evidence of past life on Earth's neighboring planet, officials said Monday.

Even though the Red Planet is now cold and dry, the , Jezero Crater, was filled with a 1,600-foot (500-meter) deep lake that opened to a network of rivers some 3.5 to 3.9 billion years ago.

"The delta is a good place for evidence of to be deposited and then preserved for the billions of years that have elapsed since this lake was present," Ken Farley, Mars 2020 project scientist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, told reporters on a conference call.

Experts believe the 28-mile (45-kilometer) wide basin could have collected and preserved ancient organic molecules and other signs of microbial life.

At least five different kinds of rocks, including "clays and carbonates that have high potential to preserve signatures of past life," are believed to lie in the crater, just north of the Martian equator, the US space agency said in a statement.

Carbonate is produced by the interaction of water, atmospheric gases and rock, and leaves clues about habitable environments, said Farley.

Scientists have debated where to land the rover for the past four years, and whittled down their decision from more than 60 possible sites.

The $2.5 billion rover is planned to launch in July 2020, and land in February 2021.

Mars 2020 is designed to land inside the and collect samples that will eventually be returned to Earth for further analysis, perhaps by the later 2020s.

Perilous landing

But first, the rover has to make it to the surface intact and upright, dodging a field of boulders, sand traps and the edges of the delta.

Mars 2020 will use the same sky crane landing that successfully delivered NASA's unmanned Curiosity rover to a location called Gale Crater on Mars back in 2012.

Gale Crater, with its many layers of sediment, was chosen to tell the story of how Mars transitioned from a warm, wet planet to the frigid and dusty one it is today.

The landing site of Jezero Crater is different because of its abundant carbonate rocks and what they can hopefully reveal about early habitability on Mars, NASA said.

Instead of having an analytical laboratory on board—like Curiosity has—Mars 2020 is designed to look at rocks on a finer scale, seeing what biosignatures are preserved.

It will then pile them in a cache for further study back on Earth. A separate mission, yet to be defined, would bring the rocks back to Earth.

'Expand our presence'

Knowing more about the ability for life to exist on Mars in the distant past could inform us about how life evolved on Earth.

"Mars is one of four terrestrial in the solar system and it actually has the best record of what was going on in the first billion years of planetary formation," said Michael Meyer, lead scientist for NASA's Mars Exploration Program.

"During the same time that life started on Earth, life could have started on Mars," he added.

"Mars had conditions more similar to Earth early on—in the first billion years—so what may have been happening in our solar system that allowed life to start on this planet may also be evident on Mars itself."

Certain features of the Earth—such as plate tectonics which roil the terrain periodically—and flowing water which washes away ancient artifacts, actually make the search to understand early microbial life easier on Mars than on Earth.

"Because there are so many ancient rocks on the surface of Mars, this information is more accessible," said Meyer.

Robotic missions are an important part of human space exploration because these tools also help inform NASA's efforts to send people to the surface of Mars sometime in the coming decades.

"Mars is really the obvious place, after the Moon, to go and expand our presence in deep space," said Thomas Zurbuchen, associate administrator of NASA's science mission directorate.

NASA has vowed to send people to Mars by the 2030s, but industry experts say it could take longer—at least 25 years from now—before humans could survive on the Red Planet.

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Bart_A
1.3 / 5 (12) Nov 19, 2018
These NASA scientists have little understanding about the development and start of life. You don't just get life from water being present. It's going to be a lot of wasted effort to try to "find evidence" of life. Yes, there will be many other interesting discoveries about our neighbor with this mission, and I fully support that work. But the hunt for life is just getting bizarre.
SkyLight
4.7 / 5 (13) Nov 20, 2018
@bart - it would seem that the presence of brain cells in one's head is not a sufficient condition for the existence, or formation, of intelligence.
michele91
5 / 5 (9) Nov 20, 2018
These NASA scientists have little understanding about the development and start of life. You don't just get life from water being present. It's going to be a lot of wasted effort to try to "find evidence" of life. Yes, there will be many other interesting discoveries about our neighbor with this mission, and I fully support that work. But the hunt for life is just getting bizarre.

Water is not sufficient to sustain life but it's necessary.
The difference between sufficient and necessary is usually explained in child school logic lesson N°1
rrwillsj
1 / 5 (4) Nov 20, 2018
Bart, I wholeheartedly agree with your opinion as the potential value of the effort devoted to find 3 billion year old Martian fossils.

The Public support needed for these singular, luxury custom-job missions is vital. NASA & Musk & all the rest have to provoke & encourage the Public's support with clickbait headlines to keep the funding coming in.

"The Spice must flow!" Just change the word spice to money.

An amusing offshoot of this will be if they only find ancient coprolite? Maybe that'll shut up the panspermia crowd's incessantly infantile whining?

Well, one can always hope...

No. this is all about egotistical national one-ups-manship. The scientists involved have to tolerate the childish expectations of the vapid cheerleaders. Hey! Cheerleaders are taxpayers too.

A serious attempt to explore & prospect would be industrialized. Sending out hundreds & thousands of cheap, limited purpose probes in a continuous process.
cantdrive85
2 / 5 (8) Nov 20, 2018
Upon closer inspection, it will likely be found this is not a "river delta" at all.
rrwillsj
1 / 5 (2) Nov 20, 2018
If it turns out that land formations on Mars similar to Earth archetypes, are proven not to be archaic lakes, rivers, deltas? That had miraculously survived billions of years, intact?

How much more interesting that discovery would be! What unknown aresology events would have had to occur to mimic geology?

Yhe Earth is has more than two thousand unique minerals. That can only exist after billions of years of tectonic activity & erosion. Exposure to shallow fresh water. abyssal saltwater & hydraulic chemistry deep in the crust. With constant processing by biological organisms.

Without all that? Mars would be an unimagined prospect of opportunity to discover exotic minerals. A lot fewer of course . Whatever found would open new chapters in mineralogy.

Uh, no, sorry, not gemstones.
I doubt if there are any Mars 'bling' that could survive in the Earth's toxic, wet atmosphere.

Such a string of discovery would help clarify (sober up) expectations on new worlds.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Nov 21, 2018
Upon closer inspection, it will likely be found this is not a "river delta" at all.
says CD85

What do you think it might be? It seems to be NASA's best guess for now.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2 / 5 (4) Nov 21, 2018
It's about time that they began the search for any possible life forms in or on the Martian terrain. Just North of the Martian equator is a very good start as the temperatures at or near the equator are fairly warm in the Martian summer. If there are any moist areas at all, it might indicate that water or some liquid seeps through and then later subsides back to its source.
The photo is nice but it is a bit difficult to determine depth and height with a two-dimensional image. For me, anyway.
jonesdave
4.2 / 5 (5) Nov 21, 2018
Upon closer inspection, it will likely be found this is not a "river delta" at all.


Lol. What else would it be?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2 / 5 (4) Nov 21, 2018
I must admit that I have a bad feeling about the "sample return" of Martian rocks back to Earth. I would much rather that the cache be sent to the ISS to be examined there to prevent any possible accidental contamination of the Earth by hidden microscopic organisms that the instruments could not detect or missed. It is a different world, after all, and this rover is the first to actually investigate any possible life form, even if dormant.
Tardigrades were sent up to the ISS. Most of them survived and, I believe, a few were desiccated, but still viable after placed into water.
IF they send the sample to the ISS, if it had unknowingly been contaminated with a dangerous, viable life form, at least they could destroy the sample, even if they had to destroy the ISS.
This is really risky business - in more ways than one.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2 / 5 (4) Nov 21, 2018
Experts believe the 28-mile (45-kilometer) wide basin could have collected and preserved ancient organic molecules and other signs of microbial life.


A 500 meter deep lake that opened out to rivers - INSIDE a crater. But what and where is the outlet for those rivers if they are within a crater? Rivers on Earth almost always empty out into the oceans or seas, IIRC
Da Schneib
4 / 5 (4) Nov 21, 2018
Do you figure life on Mars is witches, @SEU?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Nov 21, 2018
These NASA scientists have little understanding about the development and start of life. You don't just get life from water being present. It's going to be a lot of wasted effort to try to "find evidence" of life. Yes, there will be many other interesting discoveries about our neighbor with this mission, and I fully support that work. But the hunt for life is just getting bizarre.
says BartA

The Earth is not the only place in the Universe where life forms were created. To believe that it is would be anthropocentric. Humans are too full of themselves as it is.
:)
granville583762
3.4 / 5 (5) Nov 21, 2018
Can our Martian Landers actually Detect Life

A martian lander on earth
to test whether microbes live on mars
land martian landers in the gobi desert
and look for life exactly as the martian probes
look for life
when landing on mars
land martian landers on some barren rock in the most hostile enviroment on earth
and land the same martian landers again
repeat the experiment
exactly as it is conduted on mars
as we know what life
exists in barren conditions on earth
conducting the experiment as conducted on mars
will tell us if it is actually possible
for the martian landers
to actually
given their equipment
actually discover life
whether in
barren conditions on earth
or
barren conditions on mars
as it is entirely possible
that the problem
lies in the inability
of the martian landers to detect life
as they are literally
only scratching the surface
Steelwolf
5 / 5 (3) Nov 21, 2018
SEU, on a larger view of the landing area there is an obvious area where the channel comes IN to the crater, and then there is also a large exit canyon as well, leading to a floodplain.

A full picture of the crater is here, with the incoming and channels on the left with the exit canyon on the right:

https://phys.org/...ars.html

So it did not just dump into the lake, the lake/crater had an exit river as well.
rrwillsj
2.3 / 5 (3) Nov 21, 2018
These comments show a troubling pattern. That people claiming to be of scientific mind? Refuse to apply the scientific method to the available evidence. And, too keep an open mind, that any of us can be proven wrong in our assumptions.

That we all need to continuously reevaluate our knowledge based on a constant stream of data.
Of new evidence that will challenge what we think we know.
A constant rolling juggernaut of scientific evolution that will run over and crush our most personally cherished opinions.

It is useless to have a childish tantrum and wail "But my comicbooks have to be right!

Just because most of the Universe is a dead loss? Doesn't mean we should flounce on home in a pique because the Cosmos refuses to obey our wishes.

Even if only, reasonably accessible by robotic probes? All these dead worlds can be sources of new discoveries and unexpected realizations.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.6 / 5 (5) Nov 21, 2018
@Steelwolf
Thanks for the reminder. That link you offered makes a difference with more detail than the photo in this article.

From the link:
Today, most of the water on Mars is locked away in frozen ice caps. But billions of years ago it flowed freely across the surface, forming rushing rivers that emptied into craters, forming lakes and seas. New research led by The University of Texas at Austin has found evidence that sometimes the lakes would take on so much water that they overflowed and burst from the sides of their basins, creating catastrophic floods that carved canyons very rapidly, perhaps in a matter of weeks.


Possibly similar to when Lake Pontchartrain burst its boundary and flooded New Orleans.
And yet, we are told that the dust storms that occur on Mars tend to cover a lot of the landscape. After a billion years or more of that activity, those dust storms should have covered the shallower craters.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Nov 21, 2018
@granville
1. If the new Mars lander is built to dig down into the Martian rock/regolith at over 1 metre in depth - what could it possibly find that would be so much different from the regolith of the Gobi Desert (in terms of Chemistry).?

2. If its instruments were able to detect a life form on Mars - microscopic or otherwise, would NASA or any other space agency announce it to all of humanity, or will the "powers that be" disallow the information - possibly to prevent panic erupting amongst Anthropocentrists?

3. And, if Life is found on Mars, will Pope Francis or the Archbishop of Canterbury make a special announcement to allay the fears of the religious faithful?

4. Was Sir Stephen Hawking right about Aliens?

5. Do you want the old harridan, Theresa May out of 10 Downing Street as much as I do?
Solon
1 / 5 (6) Nov 22, 2018
"Lol. What else would it be?"

The same process that shaped most of Earths canyons, rivers and streams, E/M forces and fields. Yes, it's difficult to accept the magnitude of such energetic occurrences, you have to stop thinking at the human scale and realise such events maybe just trifling stuff at cosmic scales.
granville583762
5 / 5 (4) Nov 22, 2018
Craters filling up with water over 4billion years ago

Water flowing on the surface of mars
is not exactly the right descriptive
because at a distance
mars is a sphere
so the surface of mars can be regarded in this regard as flat
theoretically speaking mars is flat
as any water is settling on a flat surface
because mars has always had the solar wind and solar magnetic field
inducing its martian magnetosphere
consequently the martian sky we see today has been so for 4.5billion years
It has never rained on mars
we see mars today
as mars was 4.5billion years ago
so although water settled on the surface of mars
it has never ever rained on mars
and as it has never rained
where did the flowing water from the mountainous regions
come from to provide flowing water on mars
because without rain you cannot have flowing water
to flow and fill the craters
that break their walls and flood the surrounding countryside
granville583762
5 / 5 (3) Nov 22, 2018
Mountain snowdrops
the mountainous snow peaked regions on earth
when the the warmth of spring arrives
trickle their mountain springs
bringing mountain snowdrops to life
in the arctic regions
the frozen landscape retains its ice on earth for billions of years
as the frigid temperatures on the martian landscape
apparently had water settling on the martian surface
where are the equivalent martian polar regions
covered in ice sheets
many miles thick
glistening an orange hue
in the solar wind and solar magnetic field
Induced martian magnetosphere
where are the martian frozen wastes of ice
that earth has retained for billions of years
because of rain turning to snow landing on the polar regions
as mars has always had and has it martian atmosphere
unchanged for 4.5billion years
where has this water gone in this unchanging landscape and unchanging atmosphere
the conditions we now observe today remain like our moon
unchanged since formation 4.5billion years ago
rrwillsj
not rated yet Nov 22, 2018
The advantage in robotic surveying & prospecting of of the small, dead, rocky worlds of Luna, Mars and Callisto? Would be to establish a baseline for failure.

Each planetary corpse has it's own unique features and singular histories. Each has a contribution of knowledge to add to our database of the Cosmos. And for all that those worldlets share in common?

Can provide us a better perspective for what we observe in other star systems.
Captain Stumpy
4.2 / 5 (5) Nov 22, 2018
@solon-g to science and evidence with the eu cult
The same process that shaped most of Earths canyons, rivers and streams, E/M forces and fields
except if EM formations built said processes, it would leave considerable evidence, especially formations of canyons

this is where even a cursory knowledge of plasma physics would do you well
start here: https://ocw.mit.e...=physics

Yes, it's difficult to accept the magnitude of such energetic occurrences, you have to stop thinking at the human scale and realise such events maybe just trifling stuff at cosmic scales
[sic]

1- evidence

2- observation

3- your epic fail is epic
Solon
2.3 / 5 (3) Nov 22, 2018
1- evidence

2- observation

I have the evidence for the formation of canyons and river beds by E/M forces, and anyone who spends the time to go out and observe such features should be able to recognise the processes involved.
Case hardening of rock faces by ion implantation, strong localised magnetic anomalies in basalt due to lightning, metamorphosis by heat, plasma etching of canyon walls. It's all there fro those with eyes to see.
jonesdave
3.9 / 5 (7) Nov 22, 2018
1- evidence

2- observation

I have the evidence for the formation of canyons and river beds by E/M forces, and anyone who spends the time to go out and observe such features should be able to recognise the processes involved.
Case hardening of rock faces by ion implantation, strong localised magnetic anomalies in basalt due to lightning, metamorphosis by heat, plasma etching of canyon walls. It's all there fro those with eyes to see.


Nope, only for the scientifically deluded, brainwashed EU cultists. Show us where this has been written up. You know, mechanism, charges required, etc, etc.
Solon
2 / 5 (4) Nov 22, 2018
"Show us where this has been written up."

Mainstream won't go near the subject, apart from the remnant magnetism.
"The most frequent natural cause of an IRM is lightning discharge, referred to as Lightning Induced Remanent Magnetism, LIRM."
http://frontiersa...iger.pdf

I have personally researched this and other indicators of E/M modification of the substrate from ocean foreshore to mountain tops, and have absolutely no doubt about my conclusions. I do not care what anyone else, particularly you, has to say about the matter.
Captain Stumpy
4 / 5 (4) Nov 22, 2018
@solon-g to science
I have the evidence for the formation of canyons and river beds by E/M forces
no, you don't, otherwise you would have linked it here along with it's validation
plasma etching of canyon walls. It's all there fro those with eyes to see
[sic]

etching isn't the same thing as formation

and more importantly, in order to scale it up to shape or form canyons as you're claiming, it would leave considerable evidence behind which would be easily found - and there isn't any found or reported in any reputable journal, which is likely your reason for stating
Mainstream won't go near the subject
this is called conspiracist ideation

big important PROTIP here: zero evidence and zero validation means you're talking from the position of either delusion or religion
I have personally researched this
and have absolutely no doubt about my conclusions. I do not care what anyone else
IOW - religion

thanks for validating my point
rrwillsj
3.7 / 5 (3) Nov 23, 2018
segue amd solonut using their super-secret miracle technology to prove the efficacy of their lunacy.

segue and solonut sitting at a card table. Hovering over their ouija board. Their fat little fingers shoving the pointer back and forth.

Finally! The spirit voices echoing in their empty heads provide all the proof they need for their aether cult woo.
Solon
2.3 / 5 (3) Nov 23, 2018
"and more importantly, in order to scale it up to shape or form canyons as you're claiming, it would leave considerable evidence behind which would be easily found - and there isn't any found or reported in any reputable journal, which is likely your reason for stating.."

There are legends of the two headed serpent recorded from many cultures, the Maori tell of these serpents creating the rivers, the Salish tell of the spiraling serpent in the river bed, and how any living thing that came near it would shrivel up and die instantly. The two headed serpent would have its heads in holes in the river banks. I have photos of such holes and they are hexagonal, a sign of electromagnetic discharge.

Solon
2.3 / 5 (3) Nov 23, 2018
"no, you don't, otherwise you would have linked it here along with it's validation"

I have hundreds of photos and samples, some have been analysed, maybe I'll self publish some time, but university geoscience departments will not answer my requests for them to take a look at some of the locations, and I have been kicked off the USGS forums for suggesting electrical processes. Tells me I'm on the right track.
jonesdave
3.7 / 5 (6) Nov 23, 2018
Tells me I'm on the right track.


Nope, it tells you that you are talking crap and they're fed up with wooists getting in the way of proper scientific discussion.
Solon
2.3 / 5 (3) Nov 23, 2018
"..proper scientific discussion."

And of course you know all about that kind of discussion. @@
jonesdave
3.7 / 5 (6) Nov 23, 2018
"..proper scientific discussion."

And of course you know all about that kind of discussion. @@


Well, given the crap you believe, it would be impossible to have such a discussion. The same goes for a number of other posters on here. However, they all seem too chicken to take their nonsense to a real science forum. Instead, we just get scientifically impossible, braindead garbage spammed on here.
granville583762
5 / 5 (3) Nov 23, 2018
The dust devils in their eternal torment

if this river delta existed
as it is a satellite image
amongst the rubble strewn martian regolith
which is shown in dramatic detail
there is no doubting these digital images
as they are no simulation
they show the dust devils in their torment
as they spin their dusty land alone
in this nonexistent airless atmosphere
as they trip the light fantastic
round the boulder strewn landscape
unchanged since its formation
all those 4.5billion years ago
this so called river delta
was the most natural first stop
for our first martian rovers
to acertain if the there was any truth in the myth
that 4.5billion years a go
a microbe made its foray with the martian dust devils
before the dust absorbed that last drop of moisture
as the first microbe called it a day
then joined the next passing meteor
heading to destination planet earth
as we testify to this very day
https://mars.nasa.../images/
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (3) Nov 24, 2018
@solon
I have photos of such holes and they are hexagonal, a sign of electromagnetic discharge
that is your assumption
it can also be a sign of other things, including: lava formations, basalt or even human tool use

you have a *hypothesis*, not evidence supporting your conclusions
I have hundreds of photos and samples, some have been analysed
and again: it's not evidence unless it can be tested, validated, etc
but university geoscience departments will not answer my requests for them to take a look at some of the locations, and I have been kicked off the USGS forums for suggesting electrical processes
so?
this doesn't prove anything except that your arguments to them may well be based upon your argument from belief, not evidence, which is not science

you would be better served by introducing physical samples along with the pictures and let the USGS or Uni's find the answers

2Bcont'd
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (3) Nov 24, 2018
@solon cont'd
university geoscience departments will not answer my requests for them to take a look
when you approach a Uni or professional with your interpretations while dismissing potential answers they're not going to be likely to acquiesce to your requests to check the site

even here, the science departments are constantly inundated with requests from religions and pseudoscience trying to get them to "accept" their claims or beliefs as legit

likely they see you as just another crank
And of course you know all about that kind of discussion
to be fair: when you argue with evidence, he does as well
When you don't understand it, he (and others) help explain the science

however, when you ignore the evidence and science, all bets are off

it gets frustrating repeatedly sharing the exact same data proving someone is wrong about their belief in [x]

just sayin'
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (3) Nov 24, 2018
@solon
I had to address this last
Tells me I'm on the right track.
no, it doesn't

You cannot accept evidence that directly refutes your beliefs, therefore, when the departments refuse to accept your arguments, you choose to accept this as evidence to support your belief

this is explained here in this easy to read article: https://phys.org/...ies.html

Now, you're likely going to bristle at the above link, but your above argument is "self-sealing, designed to be impermeable to external reasoning"

So, if they accepted your request to examine the site and gave you evidence?
Would you accept it or would you do like you do here and simply make some excuse to refuse to accept it?

can you honestly tell me that if they told you it was formed by volcanic activity you would accept this?
jonesdave
3.7 / 5 (6) Nov 24, 2018
One of the major problems with Solon's woo is that there is no viable mechanism. And if one was to start invoking physics defying Velikovskian woo, in the form of Venus doing handbrake turns around the solar system, then one is rightly going to be passed off as a crank. The same applies to the idiotic EU contention that it was caused by electric discharge machining (lol).
rrwillsj
4 / 5 (4) Nov 24, 2018
I will say bthis about the "scientific contributions" of the like of seu. solon, benni, granville, mr166, steelwolf, cantdrive, fredjose, otto and all the other woomongers that infest this site?

Is to provide thesis material for the Mental Health and Social Sciences students monitoring these comments.

Congrats boys! You actually, if accidentally, are are almost as smart as lab rats and gop candidates. Keep those incoherent rants extolling ignorance rolling on in.

The graduating student's parents will be so proud when they see their offspring go up to the Chancellor to receive their diploma.

While congratulating them for their award winning research into mental illness and social inferiority.

seu. solon, benni, granville, mr166, steelwolf, cantdrive, fredjose, otto, you all have helped to make those accomplishments possible.

So, everyone calling you totally clueless and useless waste of ectoplasm? Are themselves failing to see the big picture.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (4) Nov 24, 2018
"no, you don't, otherwise you would have linked it here along with it's validation"

I have hundreds of photos and samples, some have been analysed, maybe I'll self publish some time, but university geoscience departments will not answer my requests for them to take a look at some of the locations, and I have been kicked off the USGS forums for suggesting electrical processes. Tells me I'm on the right track.
says Solon

MY advice to you, Solon, is the same advice I gave to rodkeh several months ago in one of these forums. If your evidences have merit and you feel that strongly that your work and gathered evidence has been occurring throughout Earth's geological history, then take it to bonafide scientists who deals with, and are experienced in what you believe to be true. You are not hurting anyone with your assertions.
Pay no attention to the nonscientists in the physorg website. IF you have NEW science, then it is far better to discuss it with someone who KNOWS.
Captain Stumpy
4 / 5 (4) Nov 24, 2018
@eggyidiot
Pay no attention to the nonscientists in the physorg website. IF you have NEW science, then it is far better to discuss it with someone who KNOWS.
LMFAO

so... your advice is to not take anyone here's advice, but to take your advice, which just so happens to be the same advice I just gave?

the funniest part is: you're one of the worst "nonscientists" on this site! and a creationist nutter to boot!

somehow your advice should be taken over anyone else because ... why?

Not sure if you were going for irony, hyperbole or something else
LOL
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Nov 24, 2018
@Stumptydumpty idiot jerk off artist
Haven't you finished collecting the Souls of the people who claim that they have some new scientific evidence and warning them to give it YOU or else they are liars and idiots? WHERE did you ever get the idea that I was pretending to be a scientist?
And another thing: you NEVER gave me any proof of what you claimed: that YOU have experience far far far more evil than I did. Where is that proof? LIAR
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (3) Nov 24, 2018
@idiot f*ckwad lying POS eggy-troll
And another thing: you NEVER gave me any proof of what you claimed:
actually, I did, and you ignored it because you're illiterate

here - this ought to help you: http://www.readingbear.org/

good luck! See you in a couple of years, if you can manage to pay for tutors to help you through it
Haven't you finished collecting the Souls
not yet

and not everyone is a liar or an idiot; just the liars and idiots like you are.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Nov 25, 2018
@idiot f*ckwad lying POS stumptydumpty - troll

NO YOU DID NOT - YOU LYING PIECE OF SCHIT. NOW GIVE ME THE EVIDENCE THAT YOU HAVE HAD FAR FAR FAR MORE EXPERIENCE WITH EVIL THAN I HAVE HAD. YOU NO-GOOD SCUMBAG MISERABLE CUCK SUCKING LIAR.
Captain Stumpy
3 / 5 (2) Nov 25, 2018
@idiot f*ckwad lying POS eggy the illiterate lying troll
NO YOU DID NOT
actually, I did. twice
https://phys.org/...ath.html

just because you're illiterate doesn't mean everyone else is too

Thank you for continually demonstrating why idiot religious fanaticism is deleterious to the human potential
Parsec
5 / 5 (2) Nov 25, 2018
It is truly amazing to me how much name calling and ignorance can be exchanged over issues that are entirely speculative. Please guys, try and relax. Crackpots do not learn, nor are they interested in any kind of feedback on why their ideas are ridiculous.

But, at least in my opinion, the proper response is to just put them on ignore. Not call them names. That just pollutes these comment boards with irrelevant noise.

The real problem for me is that I can't just put everyone on ignore, because a lot of the people countering the crackpots usually have serious comments I wish to pay attention to on other articles.

That means I have to go through all the name calling to carefully weed out the crackpots and its a chore.
rrwillsj
1 / 5 (2) Nov 25, 2018
Oh Parsec., you are just too good for this wicked world.
But, hey! I'm having fun in mocking the intellectually incompetent and the morally inadequate!
Got me a long list to work through. A satyr's job is never done...
{rimshot}
Captain Stumpy
3 / 5 (2) Nov 25, 2018
@Parsec
at least in my opinion, the proper response is to just put them on ignore. Not call them names
Truly sorry about that, but, it's part of my studies

I would like to see moderation from the site, to tell the truth

I've submitted a plan that would be relatively cost-free, using known posters like DaS, Torbjorn, Antialias_physorg, Maggnus, Thermodynamics, and some others by changing their permissions

And to protect the site I also included a means to moderate the moderators

the problem starts with the science posters, though

until we/they get together and start reporting the pseudoscience, religious etc, and the continue to bombard the site for a change, then it will continue to be a comment section full of pseudoscience, religion, conspiracy and idiot posters

Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Nov 25, 2018
@idiot f*ckwad lying POS eggy the illiterate lying troll
NO YOU DID NOT
actually, I did. twice
https://phys.org/...ath.html

just because you're illiterate doesn't mean everyone else is too

Thank you for continually demonstrating why idiot religious fanaticism is deleterious to the human potential


Again, NO YOU DID NOT. IN THAT LINK, YOU SAID:
Must of struck a nerve
Captain Stumpy4.4 / 5 (7) Sep 20, 2018
@Hat
Must of struck a nerve
yup!

@eggy
never did explain how he knows how much experience working with evil I have had
you're a religious fanatic by example of post and admission of faith, etc (like in that thread re: demons)

Your version of "evil" is simply your belief that something is bad or against your faith - it's your defense of the unknown, misunderstood or disliked

None of that is real "evil" - it's a cultural belief and fear of things you do not understand or doesn't fit into your dogma's narrative
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Nov 25, 2018
Stumptydumpty says from that link:
you're a religious fanatic by example of post and admission of faith, etc (like in that thread re: demons)

Your version of "evil" is simply your belief that something is bad or against your faith - it's your defense of the unknown, misunderstood or disliked

None of that is real "evil" - it's a cultural belief and fear of things you do not understand or doesn't fit into your dogma's narrative


You STILL haven't given me any evidence of your knowing how YOU have had far far far more experience in working with evil than I have had.
And as I have NEVER mentioned ANY affiliation with any religion/faith, HOW have you come about such a lie that I am religious and have some kind of faith. Provide the link to that comment as evidence which I have never made.

YOU always require substantial evidence from posters for THEIR assertions so that YOU can validate those assertions as though you were a scientist.
So provide the evidence already

Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Nov 25, 2018
Stumptydumptynumpty has been trying to take over the physorg website by deception for many years now, pretending to have such great caring and knowledge of science without showing any evidence of it - and by faking the importance of forcing those commenters to provide Stumpty with ALL of their scientific proofs/results so that Stumpty will be the ONE who validates and determines whether or not their work has any merit.
Those who have come into this site with their science ideas/hypotheses/work for the purpose of discussions with like-minded individuals who may be able to give him/her some good science advice are waylaid by Stumptydumpty so that he may add them to his collection of Souls.

Instead, those future scientists/engineers have to undergo the unscrupulous demanding behaviours of an irrelevant clown/nutcase such as CaptainStumptydumpty who evidently believes himself to be the saviour of the phys.org website. He has added many acolytes to his collection of Souls.

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