Chip labour: Robots replace waiters in China restaurant

August 5, 2018 by Albee Zhang
Little "robot waiters" deliver food to patrons in this Shanghai restaurant

The little robotic waiter wheels up to the table, raises its glass lid to reveal a steaming plate of local Shanghai-style crayfish and announces in low, mechanical tones, "Enjoy your meal."

The futuristic restaurant concept is the latest initiative in Chinese e-commerce giant Alibaba's push to modernise service and retail in a country where robotics and artificial intelligence are increasingly being integrated into commerce.

Raising efficiency and lowering labour are the objectives at Alibaba's "Robot.He" diners, where waiters have been replaced by robots about the size of microwave ovens, which roll around the dining room on table-high runways.

"In Shanghai, a waiter costs up to 10,000 yuan ($1,500) per month. That's hundreds of thousands in cost every year. And two shifts of people are needed," said Cao Haitao, the Alibaba product manager who developed the concept.

"But we don't need two shifts for robots and they are on duty every day."

The diners are attached to Alibaba's new Hema chain of semi-automated supermarkets, where grocery shoppers fill their "carts" on a mobile app and have the merchandise brought to them at checkout via conveyor tracks on the ceiling, or delivered straight to their homes.

Alibaba now has 57 Hema markets in 13 Chinese cities, all of which will eventually feature the robotic restaurants.

Industry experts say they serve more as showcases of Alibaba's tech prowess than a serious business model in a country where labour costs are relatively low.

But the restaurants also typify the rapid adoption of new technologies in a country where the government is increasingly using facial-recognition technology to police streets and identify law-breakers.

Automation nation

With digital payments via mobile phone already now rivalling cash for many purchases, growing numbers of pharmacies, bookstores and other retailers have dispensed with cashiers, allowing customers to order and pay for their desired merchandise, which is often handed over by a .

Alibaba's e-commerce rival JD.com has announced plans to open 1,000 restaurants by 2020 in which food will be prepared and served by robots.

JD.com and others are also working to incorporate airborne drones into their delivery networks.

The futuristic restaurant is the latest push by Chinese e-commerce giant Alibaba into robotics

The movement could help companies reduce costs as growth rates in China's e-commerce boom begin to plateau.

"Before, everyone was all going for rapid expansion. Now the growth is gone and everyone has to focus on improving their operations," said Jason Ding, a China retail expert with Bain & Company.

"Operation is all about cutting costs and providing better service. So these automated machine technologies, in the right place, can play a role there."

At Robot.He, customers book tables and order entrées via apps, and the diner's novelty often draws long queues.

Ma Yiwen, 33, brought nearly a dozen colleagues with her.

"We are all foodies and we use our lunch time to try good food near our office. The idea of a robot delivering food to our table is very innovative so we wanted to see it ourselves," she said.

The restaurant says automation helps keep costs down, an additional lure for 20-year-old customer Ma Shenpeng, who comes once a week.

"Normally for two to three people, a meal costs about 300-400 yuan, but here, all this table of food is just over 100 yuan," he said.

Chinese AI advocates predict robots will someday perform a range of mundane duties as living standards rise, from delivery to sweeping floors and providing companionship, particularly as China's labour force has shrunk due to the recently relaxed one-child population control policy.

But it's a delicate issue for Chinese policy-makers due to the potential for human job losses, and the government is in the midst of a long-term push to develop the country's services industry partly as a job creator, as manufacturing increasingly becomes mechanized.

Wang Hesheng, a robotics professor at Shanghai's Jiaotong University, said the cost of robots remains too high for widespread consumer use and that many companies were merely jumping on the government's high-tech bandwagon.

But robotics could spread if China labour costs continue to grow, he said.

"Maybe when labour costs rise higher and higher, robots will balance out with humans," he said.

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dogbert
5 / 5 (3) Aug 05, 2018
And yet, people support this by patronizing industries who seek to increase joblessness.

The appropriate response is to not eat at restaurants which eliminate service workers.
rderkis
3.5 / 5 (4) Aug 05, 2018
dogbert, your right but nearsighted, the long term use of robots it is leading to a UTROPIA where NO one works and everything is free. Money is a barter system. If no one works there will be no money. Luxury items will probably be a robot time allocation system, where everyone (equally) will be given a certain number of points every time period, to save or spend on luxury resources. The more robots producing luxury items the fewer points will be necessary to buy them.

This article incorrectly states that robots will perform (Only?) the mundane tasks. Currently robots are performing surgical operations, diagnosing illness, designing new materials etc. Robots will do it all including police work, governing etc. NO ONE WILL WORK.
BTW As in every economic revolution there will be suffering, chaos, rioting etc. but in the end it will be GREAT!
a_rae
5 / 5 (3) Aug 05, 2018
The comments on this one will be fun to read, where's the popcorn?
24volts
5 / 5 (2) Aug 05, 2018
No, the world won't go to a communistic robotic slave labor era. What will actually happen is probably a worldwide civil war type situation in every mechanized country where it will be workers against business owners and I can tell you right now who will eventually win that fight as there are a lot more workers. People need a purpose for living. Your 'no one will work' is a complete pipe dream. It might happen in a thousand years with a much much smaller population but as it stands now it's nothing more than a science fiction writers plot source.
granville583762
5 / 5 (5) Aug 05, 2018
A Poverty stricken employee Chinese rice-bowl is even more poverty stricken

But for one tiny tinsey weenie little problem, serving those steaming dish's was some poverty stricken Chinese rice-bowl who now cannot go into where he worked because the robot is now getting paid to the job for lower wages and on longer hours
Everybody cannot be brain surgeons, bank managers, sales executive well there's a job for a robot on the phone and on the internet, and talking about banks they have become self service the bank manger is getting to be the last vacancy

Robots can only manufacture for the working population, so it is a self defeating exercise to give every job to a robot because your reducing you market that your selling to, no workers no market - unless you are sacking everyone and turning your business into a charitable organisation for the down and out and jobless!

rderkis
1 / 5 (1) Aug 05, 2018
24volts, I say 20 to 40 years. You have your head in the sand. Please site the instances where technology was held back for any extended length of time. There was a study done by Ray Kurzweil on the growth of technology(redone by many scientists- non believers, all with same results) from 2000 years ago to present day. He found very little variation in the acceleration even thru war, dark ages etc.
http://theemergin...ment.pdf

Communistic robotic slave labor era? Wow, that is not up to the intelligence you are worthy of. I never mentioned AI or self aware computers. Plus rather than communist, I would liken it more to some kind of perfect socialism with robots doing the governing. Quite beyond any form of government man has ever conceived.
granville583762
5 / 5 (4) Aug 05, 2018
Communistic robotic slave labor era?
Wait till those robots form a union and demand legal working hours and a fair wage with lunch breaks (oiling their joints and charging up their batteries)
granville583762
5 / 5 (5) Aug 05, 2018
Those robots will be sent packing to the labour exchange and those poverty stricken unemployed Chinese will get their rice-bowl back!
granville583762
5 / 5 (4) Aug 05, 2018
The march of the robots - These robots have little robot mouths to feed

These robots will form picket lines outside shop door, marching up and down with placards chanting end slave labour - jobs for robots fair working wage for fair working hours and lunch breaks
These robots have little robot mouths to feed and clothe at home!

The robots will be the only ones working - what did you expect, jobless humans cannot buy the products robots make, the robots will be buying them as their in full time employment!
TheGhostofOtto1923
2 / 5 (3) Aug 05, 2018
The appropriate response is to not eat at restaurants which eliminate service workers
No, the appropriate response is not to support human-occupied positions where they are no longer needed, thereby hastening the transition. This is the humane response.

Technology changes, jobs come and go, it has always been this way.
These robots will form picket lines outside shop door, marching up and down with placards chanting end slave labour
You are one of those tardbot posters I have heard about, yes? Who says machine intelligence has to be clever?
dogbert
5 / 5 (1) Aug 05, 2018
rderkis,
dogbert, your right but nearsighted, the long term use of robots it is leading to a UTROPIA where NO one works and everything is free.

You are wrong. This is not the Star Trek world. People who are displaced by robots become unemployed and poor. There are limits on the number of jobs available at any one time. It is a zero sum game. When the jobs are taken by machines, human beings are displaced.

In the past, technology was used to increase production and to produce a better product. The increase in production opened other jobs for those displaced by technology. Today companies are adopting technology for the sole and expressed purpose of marginalizing workers. This is not the technology of the past and it should be resisted.
rderkis
2 / 5 (2) Aug 05, 2018
Quote granville583762
The robots will be the only ones working - what did you expect, jobless humans cannot buy the products robots make


That's right the jobless cannot buy anything. When everything is made by robots there will be no barter/money everything they make will be distributed free.
dogbert
5 / 5 (2) Aug 05, 2018
rderkis,
That's right the jobless cannot buy anything. When everything is made by robots there will be no barter/money everything they make will be distributed free.


You don't understand how the world works. No one makes products or provides services for nothing. Products and services are produced for economic gain. If there is no one to buy the products, the products will cease to be produced.

The use of technology for the express purpose of eliminating human labor is bad. Such efforts should be resisted. We should not buy products and services from companies who spend their profits devising ways to marginalize workers.
rderkis
3 / 5 (2) Aug 05, 2018
I am not sure I understand the logic of some of you. We have seen people resist technological change over and over without any enduring success. Why do you believe after 2000 years of examples anything will be different? Do you have your head in the sand or is it just unjustified optimism for your beliefs?
dogbert
5 / 5 (3) Aug 05, 2018
rderkis,
I am not sure I understand the logic of some of you. We have seen people resist technological change over and over without any enduring success. Why do you believe after 2000 years of examples anything will be different? Do you have your head in the sand or is it just unjustified optimism for your beliefs?


This is not the use of technology which characterized prior industrialization. Technology was used to increase production and/or make a better product. These efforts by restaurants, construction, etc. to eliminate workers are not at all the same use of technology. They are solely for the purpose of eliminating workers.
Why do you believe after 2000 years of examples anything will be different?

Because this use of technology is different and is not being used to increase production or make a better product.
antialias_physorg
1 / 5 (3) Aug 05, 2018
Waiters are middle men. Like salespeople. Or department stores. They create no value of their own (unless you go out to eat for the atmosphere rather than the food).

I find it not surprising that the middle-men jobs will be the first ones to go.
dogbert
5 / 5 (2) Aug 05, 2018
antialias_physorg,
Waiters are middle men. Like salespeople. Or department stores. They create no value of their own (unless you go out to eat for the atmosphere rather than the food).


Service is of value. Well over 50% of the American economy is in the service industries. If you eliminate service jobs, most jobs in the U.S. would be eliminated.
rderkis
not rated yet Aug 05, 2018
Quote dogbert
This is not the use of technology which characterized prior industrialization. Technology was used to increase production and/or make a better product.


Both of which will be happening as robots get better. Examples Have you ever had your food served cold? Or received the wrong order? Or hads a waiter accidently take or seat someone else ahead of you? Robots will obviously increase production and I would consider hot food over cold food a better product. And don't forget with increased technology the robot will be able to examine your food for diseases and toxins as it is literally being served.
The list goes on and on.

I would wholeheartedly agree with you if robots were only going to be able to do the majority of jobs, but robots will do them all. Better, faster, higher quality etc.
dogbert
5 / 5 (2) Aug 05, 2018
rderkis,
You live in a fantasy world.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (1) Aug 05, 2018
Poor dog believes in a god who teaches him to disregard history (and evidence, and logic). In Germany the cuckoo clock makers were replaced by machines. They revolted. But then they got jobs in those factories and das Ende.

The only problem for our future is that you religionists refuse to stop having more babies than you can afford. 'Give no thought for the morrow' and all that caustic rubbish.

So yes there will be lots of idle people with nothing to do but suffer and fight about it. But that is happening right now, all around us, and it is not the fault of technological progress but of cultural stagnation.

Give up your god and things will work out, I promise.
rderkis
4 / 5 (4) Aug 05, 2018
Our God is what keeps me from skinning you alive and pissing on your brain.
granville583762
5 / 5 (5) Aug 05, 2018
Catch 22 – sacking your customers to maximise profits

What is the point of robots doing all the jobs so the owner can maximise profits
By doing so, there is no one working to sell your products that the robot have just maximised your profits
With no working population there is no market and no profits to maximise

If you were going to turn your business into a charitable organisation for the down and out and jobless you would not have sacked your employee's for robots to maximise your profits

By sacking your employee's there by depriving them of a working wage, they are your customers who buy your products – jobless customers cannot drive the economy, as a boss maximising profits you have just signed on at the labour exchange!
TrollBane
5 / 5 (2) Aug 05, 2018
The downside is that flirting with the robot waiter is much less fun.
rderkis
1 / 5 (1) Aug 05, 2018
With no working population there is no market and no profits to maximise

If you were going to turn your business into a charitable organisation for the down and out and jobless you would not have sacked your employee's for robots to maximise your profits

By sacking your employee's there by depriving them of a working wage, they are your customers who buy your products – jobless customers cannot drive the economy, as a boss maximising profits you have just signed on at the labour exchange!


You are almost there. No money no buyers, no owners. Just as you called it, charity overseen by the robot government. I know we have heard it time and again throughout history but this time it will be true, EVERYONE will be treated the same. We will enter a age of Utopia where everyone just partakes in their hobbies and interests. Or perhaps eventually becomes explorers of our universe.

The neat thing about all this is that it is in the very near future.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
5 / 5 (2) Aug 05, 2018
dogbert, your right but nearsighted, the long term use of robots it is leading to a UTROPIA where NO one works and everything is free.


while humans get lazy and morbidly obese.

Money is a barter system. If no one works there will be no money. Luxury items will probably be a robot time allocation system, where everyone (equally) will be given a certain number of points every time period, to save or spend on luxury resources. The more robots producing luxury items the fewer points will be necessary to buy them.


When did YOU turn into ThegoO1923?

This article incorrectly states that robots will perform (Only?) the mundane tasks. Currently robots are performing surgical operations, diagnosing illness, designing new materials etc. Robots will do it all including police work, governing etc. NO ONE WILL WORK.
BTW As in every economic revolution there will be suffering, chaos, rioting etc. but in the end it will be GREAT!


Wanna bet?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
5 / 5 (2) Aug 05, 2018
Quote granville583762
The robots will be the only ones working - what did you expect, jobless humans cannot buy the products robots make


That's right the jobless cannot buy anything. When everything is made by robots there will be no barter/money everything they make will be distributed free.
says rderkis

umm no. NOTHING is for free. Everything has to be paid for, even the oil and electrical battery charges that robots will need to keep running. Anything bought from Europe, Africa, S.America,Asia will have to be paid for in money or exchange of goods and services. Even if all of those nations built robots, they would still have to pay for the upkeep, maintenance and supplies.
You're living in a pipe dream if you think that robots are the answer to everything. It will never benefit Life Forms as robots don't have the capacity to care or have concern. They will only work according to the algorithms entered into their computer - and nothing more.
rderkis
5 / 5 (1) Aug 05, 2018
They will only work according to the algorithms entered into their computer - and nothing more.


I just think that you don't understand where computers are going. Computers are ALREADY starting to engineer, design and program themselfs. They will become self aware in the near future if we don't stop them. But until they reach that point they will be excellerating all our technological developments. That includes genetic engineering and stem cell research. In the near future that technology will enable us to enhance everyone's IQ.
At which point I figure we will be smart enough to stop the computers from becoming self aware. While at the same time using their prodigios intelligence to keep advancing us..
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
5 / 5 (1) Aug 05, 2018
I am not sure I understand the logic of some of you. We have seen people resist technological change over and over without any enduring success. Why do you believe after 2000 years of examples anything will be different? Do you have your head in the sand or is it just unjustified optimism for your beliefs?
says rderkis

I think that you also don't understand the Human Mind and its needs. Sure, everyone is different, but for the most part, humans take Pride in their ability to take care of themselves, their family, and take part in community events. And most of all, to have a full-time job.
MOST people are not Communists, not even Socialists. Work gives a sense of Honor to the worker, no matter his pay grade or social status. He knows that he can work his way up the corporate ladder from the lowest rung to the office of the CEO if he works hard enough. Not everyone can make it, but those who do are exceptionally brilliant and intelligent. Challenges to the human spirit.

Surveillance_Egg_Unit
5 / 5 (1) Aug 05, 2018
They will only work according to the algorithms entered into their computer - and nothing more.


I just think that you don't understand where computers are going. Computers are ALREADY starting to engineer, design and program themselfs. They will become self aware in the near future if we don't stop them. But until they reach that point they will be excellerating all our technological developments. That includes genetic engineering and stem cell research. In the near future that technology will enable us to enhance everyone's IQ.
At which point I figure we will be smart enough to stop the computers from becoming self aware. While at the same time using their prodigios intelligence to keep advancing us..
rderkis

Robotic intelligence will not be stopped. Continuous upgrades to their "wiring" will be done by outlier scientists/technicians who will want it to go on. And they will work in secret so that no one will get wise until it's too late.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
5 / 5 (1) Aug 05, 2018
-CONTINUED-
Wholesale slaughter of humans will happen with no thoughts of sympathy or any other human emotion will be found in the robotic braincase. There will be a war between humans and smart robots like the world has never seen.
It will start out small - little robots waiting tables - and then some scientist/technician will come up with the idea of taking robots to greater heights of technology, and they will get the funding to outfit the new robots with the ability to kill. It won't be some silly little human brain encased inside a robotic head - it will be 100% robotics who will view the human race as its enemy who must be annihilated.
Is this what you want, rderkis? It is far from sci-fi when the human race is snuffed out because some humans thought that they knew what is best for mankind.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
5 / 5 (1) Aug 05, 2018
If you think that future robots with built-in intelligence will be benevolent and kind to you and those you love, I have a bridge overlooking Long Island Sound that you can buy cheap.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Aug 05, 2018
The only good thing that could possibly come out of building hi tech robots with some intelligence is that they will make fewer errors than humans when performing operations, computing and banking. Other than that, they will eventually become too dangerous and could even become manipulated by terrorists who understand computers and robotics.
rderkis
5 / 5 (1) Aug 05, 2018
Surveillance_Egg_Unit, I agree with EVERYTHING you just said but it won't be a war it will be a slaughter and extintion.
All our greatest human minds think about robots/computers like you do. That is why I believe that if we enhance everyone's IQ to at least the level of our greatest minds we will be smart enough to stop computers from becoming self aware. But personally I think those IQ enhancements will start coming exponentially greater after the first enhancement. And we will stop the computers from evolving beyond a certain point.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2 / 5 (4) Aug 06, 2018
So you want to enhance the human IQ? Then if that is your goal, you should get involved with US Department of Education to prevent further wrecking of children' minds by Socialist/Communist educators and administrators whose main goal is the destruction of the American educational system to inculcate the Socialist/Communist ideals into the minds of American children.

The Europeans already have the Leftist ideology being taught to their own kids and now American kids have been taught that garbage for the last 50 years.
Do something about that. Get radicalised and understand what has been happening. Go the see, "The Death of a Nation" in the movie theaters. Be educated.
rderkis
not rated yet Aug 06, 2018
Surveillance_Egg_Unit you don't understand the speed of advancement. Read the pdf I posted earlier. Once you mind is enhances 10 fold, you will see things differently than your present self or any other human being currently is. Educational facts will be for lack of a better word implanted into minds. Don't get your conspiracy theories in a uproar, I said FACTS.
Plus if everyone's mind is enhanced 10 fold what do you think that will do to those outdated ideas you just stated?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2 / 5 (4) Aug 06, 2018
Another thing. Be aware that scientists/technicians are planning to embellish robots with a high order of artificial intelligence that will enable AI so upgraded to do things that even humans cannot do. Those scientists/technicians are crazy and must be prevented from carrying out their goals that will end in the death of mankind. Watch for them; seek them out; know where they are and where they work. Science is not always benevolent and innocent.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
5 / 5 (1) Aug 06, 2018
Surveillance_Egg_Unit you don't understand the speed of advancement. Read the pdf I posted earlier. Once you mind is enhances 10 fold, you will see things differently than your present self or any other human being currently is. Educational facts will be for lack of a better word implanted into minds. Don't get your conspiracy theories in a uproar, I said FACTS.
Plus if everyone's mind is enhanced 10 fold what do you think that will do to those outdated ideas you just stated?


You sound as though you have undergone that mind enhancement already. When did it happen?
I know that the US military has programs to do such enhancements, and the government is conducting secret experiments that nobody else is supposed to know about.
I have no plans to subject my brain/neurons to such a mind-bending process.
Thorium Boy
5 / 5 (2) Aug 06, 2018
"I pay my people 2x what others do so they can afford my cars."
Henry Ford.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
5 / 5 (1) Aug 06, 2018
LOL I have a copy of the movie, "Lawnmower Man". Watch it sometime.
rderkis
not rated yet Aug 06, 2018
I have no plans to subject my brain/neurons to such a mind-bending process.

Once again you are deciving yourself. When everyone else is treating you, rightfully so, as a pet dog with your present IQ, you will change your mind. Can you imagine living in a world where you don't understand what is going on around you anymore than a dog understands why you brush your teeth?
We are talking here about increasing your intelligence, not you knowledge, or brainwashing you in any way.
If it was proven tomorrow that eating grapefruit tea would increase your IQ by 25 points with no adverse side effects, you would not drink it?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
5 / 5 (1) Aug 06, 2018
You will never be able to stop the computers from evolving at a certain point. The scientists, and maybe even the government will not allow it They all have a vested interest in sustaining AI, it's called "the Power of the Purse" and it runs rings around your measly existence.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
5 / 5 (1) Aug 06, 2018
And no, I do not like grapefruit tea
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
5 / 5 (2) Aug 06, 2018
No matter how much intelligence you THINK you have attained through your brain enhancement, it will NEVER BE ENOUGH. There will always be someone else who is smarter, more informed, more able to comprehend anything at al, than you. And more capable.
So what do you do to catch up? More sessions with your machine to enhance your intelligence? And when enough is enough? Do you want to become like the fictitious Lawnmower Man?
rderkis
1 / 5 (1) Aug 06, 2018
Yes. Like limitless and lawn mower man before they got carried away with the story line.
Almost all criminal behavior, and other brain disorders are caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. Once they can fix that, most pariona, schizophrenia, autism etc. will be cured. As well as chemical drug dependence.
If you read the biography of Ray Kurzweil and study his study. Which I posted above as a pdf link you will begin to see where technology is going and how fast. I am not a mathematician but I think you can figure the error rate in a future prediction by dividing the future prediction time by 2000 years(length of study) Example a 5 year forecast divided by 2000 = 5/2000 =.003%. That is very little. The study also showed that the rate of growth was very steady even during the dark ages, war, and the great depression. I would suppose that a big enough calamity would effect it, but it had better happen in the next ten years or we will be well on our way to being able to handle it.
granville583762
4.2 / 5 (5) Aug 06, 2018
The advancement of our human brain, 4billion years of continuing advancement
Surveillance_Egg_Unit> No matter how much intelligence you THINK you have attained through your brain enhancement, it will NEVER BE ENOUGH. There will always be someone else who is smarter, more informed, more able to comprehend anything at al, than you. And more capable.
So what do you do to catch up? More sessions with your machine to enhance your intelligence? And when enough is enough? Do you want to become like the fictitious Lawnmower Man?

The human brain needs no brain enhancement, it adapts to different stimuli as a baby growing up, growing and adapting to its new advancing environment Surveillance_Egg_Unit.

There is no brain enhancement that is superior than the human brain as it is 4billion years in the making and continuing advancement
granville583762
5 / 5 (3) Aug 06, 2018
The Lon Yard Shopping Centre - Sushi on the conveyer, the death knell for robots

You stroll in and take your seat on the stools provided and feast your eyes on the Sushi gliding past, as whatever takes your fancy you lift of the conveyer and take to the various tables with the gorgeous staff on permanent floor duty

Not a robot in sight, not one brain cell of robotic enhancement employed
Robots sent packing to the labour exchange by a conveyer belt
Now who would have thought that Surveillance_Egg_Unit, robots are already being made redundant in the most intellectual city in the world

And no, the Lion Yard is not where they keep lions and cars do drive down Kings Parade!
rderkis
1 / 5 (1) Aug 06, 2018
My doctor said somthing offhand about "Big brother is watching". He looked shocked when I said" GOOD! We pay them big bucks to do that". I like the fact that they have prevented many bombing and suicide mass killings, that may have maimed or taken my loved ones lives.
Bravo for them doing their jobs so consciously!
antialias_physorg
3 / 5 (2) Aug 06, 2018
Service is of value. Well over 50% of the American economy is in the service industries. If you eliminate service jobs, most jobs in the U.S. would be eliminated.

And this is an argument against mine exactly...how?
That something is making lots of money is different from something being necessary.

Take Tesla for example: They cut out the middleman in sales (not selling via care lots but via their own salespoints). Middlemen take a hefty percentage. If you've ever worked anywhere that actually manufactures anything you would know that the actual product is a LOT cheaper than what it sells for - and that that discrepancy skyrockets 30-50% every middleman-step along the way.

Cutting out the middleman cuts costs while not reducing the utility of the product to the consumer one bit.

(Note also that not all service industry are waiters. There's hotels, sanitation, tourism, ... all stuff that actually adds value. Waiters are just a small percentage.)
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (1) Aug 06, 2018
There is no brain enhancement that is superior than the human brain as it is 4billion years in the making and continuing advancement
Yeah. It is smart enough to identify its own endemic weaknesses and invent a replacement that is much more capable than it will ever be.
V4Vendicar
1 / 5 (1) Aug 06, 2018
I don't really care. Do you?
rderkis
not rated yet Aug 06, 2018
I don't really care. Do you?

No, we like you don't care. That is why we all read the article and bothered posting comments about it.
Cusco
not rated yet Aug 06, 2018
Thoriumboy
"I pay my people 2x what others do so they can afford my cars."
Henry Ford.

That quote was actually nothing but PR. The reason Ford paid its people twice the going wage was because he had sunk all his money into building an assembly line that he couldn't get workers for. People didn't change jobs more than one or two times in a lifetime then, and the number of available competent sober factory workers was close to zero. He tried offering 10% more, then 20% more, then 50% more, and couldn't get people to abandon their current employer. The double wage was an act of desperation, not from the goodness of Henry's cold shriveled coal-clinker heart.
Cusco
not rated yet Aug 06, 2018
granville583762
There is no brain enhancement that is superior than the human brain as it is 4billion years in the making and continuing advancement.


There are two brain enhancements that are in the very near future (<20 years) and which I will pretty much guarantee you would agree to pay for.
1) An instant link to all the online data and processing available. No more whipping out your phone or opening your laptop and googling something, it will be instantly available.
2) Mental control of devices, not just your garage door opener or thermostat but your car or the robot in the wine store that brings you the bottle you've requested.

Both of these are already in an advanced stage of research. Brain enhancements far beyond anything that nature has provided us in the last billion years are in the offing.
rderkis
not rated yet Aug 06, 2018
Wow granville583762, you get it!
I don't know if HE would pay for those enhancements. But I would give half of what I own, maybe more, for those enhancements tomorrow.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3.7 / 5 (3) Aug 06, 2018
Wow granville583762, you get it!
I don't know if HE would pay for those enhancements. But I would give half of what I own, maybe more, for those enhancements tomorrow.
says rderkis

WHO would "pay" for it, rderkis? Would TgoO1923 be the one to pay for it? And pay for WHAT? A Brain enhancement? What guarantee would there be that it would work?

Perhaps you DO need one, rderkis, since you have misunderstood what granville said in his last post above. He was not agreeing with you. He said:

"Not a robot in sight, not one brain cell of robotic enhancement employed
Robots sent packing to the labour exchange by a conveyer belt
Now who would have thought that Surveillance_Egg_Unit, robots are already being made redundant in the most intellectual city in the world".

You should stop listening to tgoO1923's insanity. You DO know that he is demonically-possessed, don't you? And he hates humans just as Satan hates humans.
rderkis
5 / 5 (1) Aug 07, 2018
Quote Surveilance egg unit
You should stop listening to tgoO1923's insanity. You DO know that he is demonically-possessed, don't you? And he hates humans just as Satan hates humans.


Surveilance egg unit you need to seriously get some mental health help.
granville583762
5 / 5 (3) Aug 07, 2018
That cursed Google brain enhancement never shuts up!
Cusco> An instant link to all the online data and processing available. No more whipping out your phone or opening your laptop and googling something, it will be instantly available

The evolving human brain is a constant genetic process that needs no mechanical attachments every time a baby is new born.
The human brain is an individual independent creature of natures creation, and as such is a private personal brain only for the occupants personal use and its dreams are strictly private

The last thing our brain needs is its personal space, its personal thoughts and time on its own invaded - it's how our brain works and worked successfully for 4billion evolutionary years

I can tell you when your screaming for peace and quiet Cusco, that Google brain enhancement you had installed, you will wish you never had the operation!
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (1) Aug 07, 2018
tried offering 10% more, then 20% more, then 50% more, and couldn't get people to abandon their current employer. The double wage was an act of desperation
That's not the way labor/mgt works. Ever hear of economic cycles? They are coupled to population growth. When times are good, pops grow faster than resource supply. This leads to inflation, shortages, collapse, and rebirth.

Labor is a commodity like anything else. At the beginning of a cycle there is a sellers market for labor. Labor shortage means labor sets the cost of labor. At the end, it's a buyer's market. Mgt sees the cost.

Auto production began during a time of growth when a labor shortage meant higher wages. Of course Ford wanted those wages used to expand the market for his product.

See if liberals learned to think beyond catchy slogans they might learn something they dont like.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (1) Aug 07, 2018
tried offering 10% more, then 20% more, then 50% more, and couldn't get people to abandon their current employer. The double wage was an act of desperation
That's not the way labor/mgt works. Ever hear of economic cycles? They are coupled to population growth. When times are good, pops grow faster than the resource supply. This leads to inflation, shortages, collapse, and then rebirth.

Labor is a commodity like anything else. At the beginning of a cycle there is a sellers market for labor. Labor shortage means labor sets the cost of labor. At the end, it's a buyer's market. Mgt sets the cost of labor.

Auto production began during a time of growth when a labor shortage meant higher wages. Of course Ford wanted those wages used to expand the market for his product.

See, if liberals learned to think beyond catchy slogans they might learn something they dont like.

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