New manifestation of magnetic monopoles discovered

December 8, 2017, Institute of Science and Technology Austria
A superfluid helium droplet acts as a magnetic monopole. Credit: IST Austria/Birgit Rieger

The startling similarity between the physical laws describing electric phenomena and those describing magnetic phenomena has been known since the 19th century. However, one piece that would make the two perfectly symmetric was missing: magnetic monopoles. While magnetic monopoles in the form of elementary particles remain elusive, there have been some recent successes in engineering objects that behave effectively like magnetic monopoles. Now, scientists at the Institute of Science and Technology Austria (IST Austria) have shown that there is a much simpler way to observe such magnetic monopoles: They have demonstrated that superfluid helium droplets act as magnetic monopoles from the perspective of molecules that are immersed inside them. Such droplets have been studied for decades, but until now, this fascinating characteristic had gone entirely unnoticed.

When working with electric charge, it is easy to separate the positive and negative poles. The negatively charged electron represents a negative pole, the positively charged proton is the opposite (positive) pole, and each one is an individual particle that can be separated from the other. With magnets, it seemed that they always have two poles that are impossible to separate—cut a dipole magnet in half, and you will end up with two dipole magnets, cut them again and you will just get even smaller dipole magnets, but you will not be able to separate the north from the south pole.

Challenged by this puzzle, scientists successfully constructed systems that effectively act as : certain crystal structures were made to behave like magnetic monopoles. But now, an interdisciplinary team comprising theoretical physicists and a mathematician have discovered that this phenomenon also occurs in molecular systems that do not need to be engineered for this purpose but which have been known of for a long time.

Nanometer-sized drops of superfluid helium with molecules immersed in them have been studied for several decades already, and it is one of the systems that Professor Mikhail Lemeshko and postdoc Enderalp Yakaboylu are particularly interested in. Previously, Professor Lemeshko proposed a new quasiparticle that drastically simplifies the mathematical description of such rotating molecules, and earlier this year he showed that this quasiparticle, the angulon, can explain observations that had been collected over 20 years. Enderalp Yakaboylu moreover used the angulon to predict previously unknown properties of these systems. The discovery of the property in superfluid helium droplets they now report, however, came unexpectedly—and only after they had exchanged ideas with mathematician Andreas Deuchert, who says, "It was a surprise to all of us to see this characteristic emerge in the equations." At a strongly interdisciplinary institute like IST Austria, such collaborations are not unusual, and interaction between research groups of different fields is fostered.

"In the other experiments, they engineered a system to become a monopole. Here, it is the other way round," Enderalp Yakaboylu says. "The system was well known. People have been studying rotating molecules for a long time, and only after did we realize that the magnetic monopoles had been there the whole time. This is a completely different viewpoint."

According to the researchers, the discovery opens up new possibilities for studying magnetic monopoles. In particular, the appearance of a magnetic in superfluid helium droplets is very different from the other, previously studied, systems. "The difference is that we are dealing with a chemical solvent. Our magnetic monopoles form in a fluid rather than in a solid crystal, and you can use this system to study magnetic monopoles more easily," Professor Mikhail Lemeshko explains.

Explore further: Monopole current offers way to control magnets

More information: E. Yakaboylu et al, Emergence of Non-Abelian Magnetic Monopoles in a Quantum Impurity Problem, Physical Review Letters (2017). DOI: 10.1103/PhysRevLett.119.235301

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JongDan
not rated yet Dec 08, 2017
But, is it a defined monopole, or a quantum superposition of both monopoles? The first would be quite problematic to reconcile with the rest of physics...
KBK
1 / 5 (8) Dec 08, 2017
Alternative physics exploration reporting websites have been talking about this sort of effect and work....for decades. Decades. Since before the advent of the internet. Earlier.. it was the odd book on 'forbidden' sciences, bizarre stories...seemingly science fiction stuff. Instances where this phenomena they search for was taken to nearly it's end point and involved fully engineered systems.

Like anti-gravity, temporal and dimensional effects and so on. Not fantasy, not magic, not nutbars..but science - ahead of the curve, coming at you and you don't understand it. For that is the nature of the mainstream reception of cutting edge stuff in leaked data from black ops level sciences.

You are in a war. Many explorers have died.

A war where the black ops are racing to gain control use these sciences as levers to get ahead of everyone and simultaneously prevent the engineered systems and discovers from reaching the world -which would strip their oligarchical controls from them.
rrwillsj
4.3 / 5 (6) Dec 08, 2017
H, if you expect me to believe even a fraction of your raving lunacy? (that time of the month for you, is it?)

Then you are going to have to hop into your magical flying carpet. Oops, I meant "car". Fly over here to where I live. Land, hop out and toss me the keys. So I can take it for a spin.

Until that day? You stick to your comicbooks as you cower in your Mommy's basement. Hiding from those BEMs & LGBs & MIBs. All plotting against you in a vast millennium-long conspiracy to hold you up for well-deserved public ridicule.

You obviously are suffering from a surfeit of anal-probing with EU invisible thunderbolts.

My advice? Instead of wearing that adorable aluminum foil hat on your head all the time? Glue it to your butt to keep the center of your intellect safe!
Da Schneib
not rated yet Dec 08, 2017
Fascinating. So now we find out how to make monopoles- in a much less limited environment than a solid, though it is still cryogenic. It will be very interesting to see what we can do with these.
mackita
2.4 / 5 (5) Dec 08, 2017
The article actually deals with (superfluid)fluid analogy of monopoles, which brings various ancient aether models of magnetic field on mind. I'm not sure, if Dr. Schneib realizes just this aspect of this study, while being so fascinated with it...;-)
malapropism
5 / 5 (5) Dec 08, 2017
Alternative physics exploration reporting websites have been talking about this sort of effect and work....for decades... Since before the advent of the internet.

Since the world wide web (on which a website must reside, by definition) is a service offered across the Internet, having an "alternative physics website" available before the advent of the Internet is a really good trick. I'd love to meet those alternative physicists who have done that and find out how they managed it.
cantdrive85
1 / 5 (5) Dec 08, 2017
Da schnied really believes in monopoles, he's been pushing his "open field lines" for sometime now.
mackita
3.7 / 5 (3) Dec 08, 2017
Maybe the Universe is filled by plasma of monopoles.... Hannes Alfven would definitely approve it...
cantdrive85
1 / 5 (3) Dec 08, 2017
Alfvén was first and foremost an electrical engineer, monopoles spread willy-nilly about would not lead to the coherence of EM theory he relied upon.
mackita
1 / 5 (2) Dec 08, 2017
On the contrary, you should collaborate with Dr. Schneibo more closely because of anapole character of dark matter, the filaments of which are connecting distant galaxies in exactly the way, you're promoting here. You should team up together, each of you getting half of Nobel prize and the wet kiss of Swedish princess at public. Both of you deserve that glory in an equal way.
Mimath224
5 / 5 (2) Dec 10, 2017
@[rrwillsj
q]H, if you expect me to believe even a fraction of your raving lunacy? (that time of the month for you, is it?)...
My advice?...Glue it to your butt to keep the center of your intellect safe!
I take you are referring to KBK. Don't be too hard on KBK because there is an abundance of 'mysterious' ancient stuff on the net and many others post pure hoax...what came to be known as the 'Hutchinson effect' is one example. I have myself purchased a couple of these 'alternative...' books just to see what the claims really are. Of course there are gaping holes as big as caves in the claims but it isn't hard to see how some people get duped.

@Da Schneib I have read a couple of of abstracts of discoveries of mp in 'spin ice' (2009?) and another using muons (can't find the publish date). Both from London College of Nanotech (with others). Perhaps you know of them.
milnik
1 / 5 (3) Dec 10, 2017
What is a magnetic monopoly? Is it logical that in nature there is something that is not in any balance? How a magnet or magnetic field can have only one pole. ? In nature, it does not exist as a permanent phenomenon, but it can occur in the course of a process that has not been completed.
What is magnetism and magnet? From what and how does magnetism form? It is the relation between free gluons and Aether, a substance that fills the infinite universe and forms matter. Since gluon was formed by annihilation of electron-positron pair. , this relationship with Aether appears as a magnetism and must have two poles (the one induced by an electron and one that causes a positron).
mackita
1 / 5 (3) Dec 10, 2017
Dark matter is manifestation of quantum fluctuations of vacuum. At the moment, when these fluctuations emerge and disappear faster, than the light wave is able to pass through them, then the Poincare / Lorentz symmetry breaking follows and the orthogonal SO(2) symmetry group is not preserved anymore (you may imagine that the wave is forced to end before its full period finishes). Therefore the dark matter exhibits degenerated monopole character, i.e. the anapole behavior.
The similar effect can be observed for boson condensates, inside of which the speed of light waves gets greatly reduced by entanglement of atom orbitals. Their fluctuations are indeed slower, but the speed of light is also much lower there, so we can observe the formation of magnetic monopoles inside them.
mackita
1 / 5 (3) Dec 10, 2017
The uncompensated magnetic charge of magnetic monopoles doesn't differ too much from charge of charged bodies. Once the CMBR photons get anapole character, then they will start to behave like less or more cohesive charged bodies which are repelling at distance, they get polarization and also inertial character (they get dragged with neighboring massive bodies, collide and annihilate mutually). Which are all properties typical for dark matter observed around galaxies and galactic centers.
rrwillsj
3.7 / 5 (3) Dec 10, 2017
M2, thanks for correcting me, it was KBK I intended to ridicule. Damn, fallible human. Musta been the Uranus Conspiracy, embarrassing me one more time! Yeah, that had to be them and not my clumsiness.

And M2, it wouldn't be so bad if it was only a few of the gullible being duped once in a while. There is an enormous industry flogging crap to the perpetually ignorant. Every day and twice on Sunday. And those suckers wind up contaminating everyone around them.

Would that POV make cult crankery a CDC issue?
Da Schneib
not rated yet Dec 10, 2017
@Mimath, never heard of the one about muons. Spin ices are solid-phase. What interests me is the possibility of making particle-phase constructs that act like true monopoles; unless you can find the muon thing this has never before been mooted as a serious possibility supported by experiment. If we can make such things we might be able to do some things that were not thought previously possible.

WRT your comment to @rrwillsj, some of the really old stuff was by a famous #physicscrank who turned out to be a dishwasher in the cafeteria of a college. There been cranks longer than there's been an Internet. It's why the USPTO doesn't accept patents by the "free energy" cranks.

Just sayin'.
mackita
1 / 5 (3) Dec 10, 2017
It's why the USPTO doesn't accept patents by the "free energy" cranks
But USPTO likes money, so that most of free energy devices get still patented in USA first. Not to say about patents, which are getting classified immediately after submitting the application. The last graphite energy finding was also patented first.
Da Schneib
not rated yet Dec 10, 2017
@mac the USPTO doesn't make money.

On Earth.
mackita
3 / 5 (2) Dec 10, 2017
I didn't say, it makes money - it likes money instead. The entities which like & collect money only rarely are willing to return some of them back. For Fiscal Year (FY) 2018, the USPTO requests the authority to spend fee collections of $3,586M. Along with $29M from other income, these fee collections will fund operating requirements of $3,501M, including 13,249 full-time equivalents (FTE); a transfer of $2M to the Department of Commerce Office of the Inspector General (OIG); and the addition of $113M to the operating reserve balance. With full access to its fee collections to offset its funding requirements, the USPTO's FY 2018 net appropriation would be $0.

In another words, USPTO completely lives from its patent fees.
Da Schneib
not rated yet Dec 10, 2017
Dude, what you said is right there in black and white.

Do you really have to lie in every single frickin' post? Really? Really? What's the matter with you, anyway?
mackita
1 / 5 (1) Dec 10, 2017
@Schneibo: I'm just explaining, why it's not true, that USPTO disallows patenting of free energy stuffs. Such an entity occasionally patents wheel and/or rectangle, once it smells money behind it. You can indeed still call my refusal of your lies a lie - but how it could actually change the facts linked? I know my stuffs quite well... ;-)
mackita
1 / 5 (1) Dec 10, 2017
Do you really have to lie in every single frickin' post? Really? Really? What's the matter with you, anyway?
I'm actually describing the same things from dual observational perspective, so that we can never agree mutually. Whereas you're describing the research, science and USPTO as they SHOULD be from your abstract idealist perspective, I'm describing them as such from their real perspective free of all illusions. You can call it the depressive realism, if you want so.. If you really want to understand how Universe and human society is working during your limited lifetime, you should throw out most of illusions and prejudices about it.
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (1) Dec 10, 2017
Ummm, naww sport, it has nothing to do with "my perspective." You can't get a patent for a free energy scheme from the USPTO because they were stormed with them in the 1930s by cranks just like you, none of them worked, and it cost too much.

Your shxt has to work in order to get a patent for it. Shxt against the 2LOT doesn't work. Get some papers published and then you got something the USPTO will listen to. Until then, it's bullshxt.

Oh and BTW "my perspective" is you lying again. Like I said, you lie in every post.

The free energy #physicscranks keep lying, keep getting caught, and keep lying some more. This has been going on for centuries. There's a sucker born every minute.

Your scheme is dishonest, and that's obvious to anyone with two lonely brain cells to rub together. Why not give up? What's the point of this? Everyone knows about you. Go away.
mackita
1 / 5 (1) Dec 10, 2017
You can't get a patent for a free energy scheme from the USPTO because they were stormed with them in the 1930s by cranks just like you, none of them worked, and it cost too much.
They were payed by cranks to USPTO, where the problem is? But I already linked such a patent above, so your claim (a lie actually) has been already disproved by example. The famous Kelly's free energy book is full of references to USPTP patents, it's primary source of information about it. But it's difficult to realize for person, which respects only mainstream research and which systematically avoids the information from another areas. This is just the dual reality, where we both living in.
Da Schneib
not rated yet Dec 10, 2017
The problem is you got no better argument than the 1930s cranks.

Now stop lying and trying to get cred for #freeenergycrankfraudschemes. You're either deluded or a ripoff shit and I'm going with ripoff shit. It's disgusting to watch, particularly on a physics site. Go peddle your bullshit to the right wingnuts and rip them off.
mackita
1 / 5 (2) Dec 10, 2017
they were stormed with them in the 1930s
It's not accidental, the world's progress accelerated strongly this time due to Great Depression. Most of Nazi inventions, now kept in secrecy and free energy revelations did come just from this epoch. The Fleischmann - Pons finding of cold fusion from 1989 was also predated by Tandberg's research and patent from 1932. We lost literally half of century with it (and another thirty years later). The fact we are getting some progress today is also consequence of financial crisis: the human creatures are lazy to think about their future in wealthy times.
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (1) Dec 10, 2017
Of course it's not accidental; as science went beyond the understanding of most people ripoff fraudster cranks started trying to use it for confidence schemes. It's entirely predictable, just like ripoff shits like you are.

Now we got "pentawater" and urine therapy and Deepak Chopra. And you.

Go away, crank fraudster ripoff shit. Go invest in free energy. Hopefully you're stupid enough that you'll invest so much you won't be able to post on the Internets any more.
Da Schneib
not rated yet Dec 10, 2017
@macurinetherapy, maybe you can make some money sending free penis or breast enlargement emails to millions of people. It might actually be more honest than what you're doing now.
mackita
1 / 5 (1) Dec 10, 2017
BTW the structured water may not be complete hoax. According to mainstream physics the blue tint of water is anomalous effect of molecular vibrations, but the distilled water lacks the blue tint, despite it's as clear. According to researchers, the blue tint is typical for water with hydrogen bonds arranged precisely at the 108° angle like in the water from blue icebergs. The boiled water exhibits similar angle of bonds in average, but with more random and wide distribution. This behavior may coincide with Mpemba effect, according to which the over-boiled or fast cooled water freezes faster in the same temperature gradient. The blue water can be obtained with filtration of normal water with high surface area nanomaterials, which promote ordering of water nanoclusters. Russian inventor Victor Petrik claims, he produces a blue water by filtering it through exfoliated graphene
Da Schneib
not rated yet Dec 10, 2017
@macurinetherapy, "structured water" lasts about 5 milliseconds. It doesn't make it from the spigot to the bottle.

It figures you'd make more bullshit up about this.
mackita
1 / 5 (1) Dec 10, 2017
"structured water" lasts about 5 milliseconds
Mpemba effect survives definitely longer. The blue glaciers lose their color after few days at sunlight (analogy of dye sunbleaching) - so in darkness it may be way more stable. But this thread isn't about pentawater - I just wanted to illustrate, that people who don't know sufficient amount of facts tend to consider each anomaly as a violation of established facts, which are known for them. The more things you know, the more you'll become familiar with number of exceptions up to level, you could gradually see a new level of hidden connections between them.
Da Schneib
not rated yet Dec 10, 2017
@macurinetherapy, do you actually drink your own piss or only advocate other people do it?

Don't bother answering, you'll lie again. The water woosters always do.
mackita
1 / 5 (1) Dec 10, 2017
Urinotherapy doesn't belong into my expertise, but maybe some rational basis also exist behind it. Many animals practicize urophagia as a sort of self-healing, not to say that urine was used in several ancient cultures for various health, healing, and cosmetic purposes.. There's no smoke without fire - and there is not fire without research.
Da Schneib
not rated yet Dec 10, 2017
Let this be a lesson to the rubes (though they mostly won't believe it): two things to look for are free energy woo and water woo. You'll often find them together and where you do you have found a fraudster and a confidence artist. If you send them money you'll get nothing back and they'll be gone by the time you can complain.
Da Schneib
not rated yet Dec 10, 2017
Urinotherapy doesn't belong into my expertise, but maybe some rational basis also exist behind it.
This is a favorite of the confidence tricksters. Making the mark drink their own piss is about as blatant as you can get. Confidence tricks are about making the mark so embarrassed they won't tell what happened to anyone because it makes them look stupid so the trick keeps working.
Da Schneib
not rated yet Dec 10, 2017
Is there seriously a person arguing about something on a science site who thinks drinking your own piss is a valid medical procedure?

Really?

Really?

Really?
mackita
1 / 5 (1) Dec 10, 2017
You're not required to spend your money for findings, which you don't trust - but this is also not the reason for their premature doubting without deeper research. there's actually no such thing as 'settled science' The easiest way to undermine good science is to demand that it be made "sound." ("Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence").

Ironically we are just bellow article about monopoles, which were once also considered a typical crackpot science - just because of their apparent connection to Tesla scalar physics and free energy.

Da Schneib
not rated yet Dec 10, 2017
It's not about me, @macurinetherapy. It's about you.

You're a confidence trickster, a ripoff shit. You have no place on a science site. Go away. You are sussed. Go drink your own urine.
mackita
1 / 5 (1) Dec 10, 2017
I'd say, you're this one who is confused here. As an apparent magnetic monopole supporter and free energy hater at the same moment, are you even aware that magnetic monopole would enable us to generate free energy easily? Put a magnetic dipole somewhere, and guide a magnetic monopole in a closed loop along one of the dipole's magnetic field lines. Since at all times the monopole will be moving in the direction of the force it will gain energy. But where this energy would come from? The same - just dual - reasoning would apply if it were possible to make a true electric dipole, one not made with electric monopoles. We could equally work with this case if such electric dipoles exist.
This is all trivial consequence of correspondence principle: once you violate one theory, then another theory which is based on the first one must get violated too. The Maxwell's equations are all based on conservation of energy in electrodynamic - and just its violation enables to violate them too.
Da Schneib
not rated yet Dec 10, 2017
@macurinetherapy, there isn't any confusion here. You're the ripoff shit confidence trickster trying to convince people to drink their own urine.

I see no point in discussing monopoles with someone who thinks I should drink piss. That's pretty fxxkin sorry.
mackita
1 / 5 (1) Dec 10, 2017
I see no point in discussing the monopoles with someone, who thinks that urophagia is utter nonsense. Both they're examples of anomalous behavior, which could have its deeper hidden reasons, the combination of which is rare in Nature. This doesn't imply, it's normal regular behavior - on the contrary.
Da Schneib
not rated yet Dec 10, 2017
That you'd even keep posting here after you recommended everyone drink piss is about the sorriest thing I think I've ever seen.

You must have no pride. The next question is how much you're being paid. And the question after that is what you're being paid to do.
mackita
1 / 5 (1) Dec 10, 2017
two things to look for are free energy woo and water woo. You'll often find them together
This is also consequence of correspondence principle. In a previous posts I just demonstrated you, how four apparent exceptions and violations of mainstream paradigms may be related each other: dark matter, plasma universe, free energy and magnetic monopoles.
Do you really think, that if you believe in magnetic monopole thing only, then the other stuffs don't apply to you? Oh, come on...
Mimath224
not rated yet Dec 10, 2017
Da Schneib This is the headline 'Magnetic monopoles discovered by LCN Scientists' and a quote ' ISIS is another U.K. facility that in this case was used to produce subatomic particles called muons that were then used as a probe for the monopoles. In this experiment the charge of the monopole was directly measured and found to be equal to that predicted by theory.' It seems that I made a mistake that muon and spin ice experiments were separate but I don't think they are. Sorry about that. One paper is dated 2009 but the paper from which I used the quotes above seem to be undated and I have assumed they are around the same time. This is the address http://www.london...entists. Like to hear your comments. Thanks.
Da Schneib
not rated yet Dec 10, 2017
@macurinetherapy, why are you still posting here after recommending everyone here drink piss?

I mean, just askin'. You can't possibly believe you have any cred after that.
mackita
1 / 5 (1) Dec 10, 2017
why are you still posting here after recommending everyone here drink piss?
This is typical straw man fallacy: A straw man is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man". But I never said, that people in normal conditions should drink their urine - whereas you're spamming here this forum multiple-times with claims of the opposite.

So, do you agree, that existence of true magnetic monopole would allow us to generate free energy - or not? Drink your own piss by now.. ;-)
Da Schneib
not rated yet Dec 10, 2017
@Mimath, I was careful to make sure I understood what you were talking about with the muons. It seems they were being used as lab tools to measure spin ice monopoles, not making field monopoles. These spin ice monopoles are quasiparticles. That's entirely different from real field monopoles that can be individually manipulated as these can be.
Da Schneib
4 / 5 (1) Dec 10, 2017
@macurinetherapy it's not a strawman to tell everyone you think they should drink piss after you told everyone you think they should drink piss.

I can't imagine any circumstances under which I would tell everyone here they should drink piss. I think this marks you as a ripoff shit confidence prankster. I think you should leave and never post here again and I am going to call you @macurinetherapy as long as you keep posting here. I might even make up some more demeaning name for you later if I can think one up considering you told me to drink piss.
mackita
1 / 5 (1) Dec 10, 2017
Note that many overunity magnetic motors are based on magnets or bucking coils in repulsive arrangement: an artificial monopole. I also explained, how quantum fluctuations give the dark matter anapole character and here we also discussed the experiments, in which magnets in repulsive arrangement are supposed to interact with monopoles of dark matter field.

What could we learn from all these connections?
Da Schneib
not rated yet Dec 10, 2017
After being told to drink piss by @macurinetherapy I can't imagine any reason I might listen to anything this individual has to say about electronics engineering. This is a ripoff shit confidence prankster and anyone who listens to it should send it money so they get ripped off and learn something.
mackita
1 / 5 (2) Dec 10, 2017
@Schneib: Note, I didn't say, that EVERYONE should drink piss - only people who are in deep sh*t and have no better solution could try it. And I openly recommended it only for you here, if I remember well. Draw the conclusion for yourself... ;-) Of course, you can also send me your money, once you'll get into it: two largest fears of yours will be satisfied at once.
Da Schneib
4 / 5 (1) Dec 10, 2017
Go away, @macurinetherapy ripoff shit confidence trickster. Go post on some right wingnut boards where they're credulous enough to send you money. We know about ripoff shit confidence pranksters here.
mackita
1 / 5 (1) Dec 10, 2017
OK, so that brief recapitulation: the magnetic monopole would enable free energy generation, i.e. thermodynamics time violation and also frame drag (reactionless drives). They may be represented by filaments of dark matter "plasma" - but also boson condensates, magnetic domains within ferromagnets in repulsive arrangement, superconductors and superfluids, which are all sort of condensate. I'd also add topological insulators and graphite/graphene here.

This is all because one physical anomaly violating energy conservation law brings another ones due to https://en.wikipe...inciple.

Can we all agree with it (piss drinkers may not apply by now)?
Da Schneib
not rated yet Dec 10, 2017
The brief recapitulation, @macurinetherapy, is that you told everyone to drink their own piss. I see no reason to give you the slightest hint that anyone will pay attention to anything you say after that.

You'll see me remind everyone of that every thread you post on here from now on.
TrollBane
3 / 5 (2) Dec 10, 2017
KBK, here's a real 'conspiracy' for you. http://www.cbc.ca....4440651
mackita
1 / 5 (1) Dec 10, 2017
TrollBane: More than 5500 patents are classified before public just in USA - - in another countries even more. The unwarranted conspiracy is one thing, the admitted classification another one. But I'm afraid, the most efficient brake of the progress is the confederacy of dunces at all social levels. Even most of ordinary people in these forums get scarred and repelled by perspective of breakthrough findings, not just abstract illuminati or fossil fuel lobby. I'm virtually the only person, who is openly promoting it here - which speaks for something.
Da Schneib
not rated yet Dec 10, 2017
@macurinetherapy, you're also the only one advocating people drinking their own piss.

I mean, just sayin'.
mackita
1 / 5 (1) Dec 10, 2017
Schneib: Straw man and reductio ad absurdum fallacies And even if i would advocate the drinking of urine (which I didn't and which is the sole invention of yours) - it still wouldn't disprove a bit of what I said here about monopoles and their free energy. You're a desperate troll, who is losing court in defensively/aggressive stance. You don't mean anything meaningful - it's you who is pissed off here with me. The problem is, mainstream science is full of similar people like you: they're proud of their advising the others - but once they get into defensive, they change into obstinate furious brake of the further progress.
Da Schneib
not rated yet Dec 10, 2017
@macurinetherapy I will use your own weapons against you without hesitation, or apology. If you don't want to answer your own emotional arguments don't make them in the first place.

I play as fair as you do-- and as unfair. Get over it.

Don't support drinking your own piss if you don't want to be accused of telling everyone to drink their own piss. This is pretty obvious if one has any personal integrity. And it's equally obvious you don't.
mackita
1 / 5 (1) Dec 10, 2017
My arguments weren't emotional at all. You promoted magnetic monopoles here and doubted free energy from beginning of this thread - so I argued, the monopoles imply free energy for every magnetized body around it. It was you who started to twaddle here about pentawatter and urinotherapy in an apparent attempt for finding the evasion for reduction ad absurdum fallacy. You feel danger from free energy research, so you're trying to label every supporter of it as a charlatan and urophag. Which is indeed primitive but QUITE INTENTIONAL strategy of many free energy deniers, utilized widely for example by Russian trolls at public forums. You cannot play fair even if you would want to - because you haven't any tools for it, the rational arguments in particular.
Da Schneib
not rated yet Dec 10, 2017
@macurinetherapy, telling everyone to drink piss is about as emotional as it gets.

You're still lying in every post.
mackita
1 / 5 (1) Dec 10, 2017
Put a magnetic dipole somewhere, and guide a magnetic monopole in a closed loop along one of the dipole's magnetic field lines. Since at all times the monopole will be moving in the direction of the force it will gain energy. The same - just dual - reasoning would apply if it were possible to make a true electric dipole, one not made with electric monopoles. We could equally work with this case if such electric dipoles exist. But where this energy would come from?

Where in this post I'm lying? Do you admit that every monopole implies a free energy perspective?
Da Schneib
not rated yet Dec 10, 2017
@macurinetherapy, it doesn't matter whether you try to dodge back to monopoles after you told everyone to drink their own piss.

It's just not going to go anywhere. You should have thought of that before you told everyone to drink their own piss.
Da Schneib
not rated yet Dec 10, 2017
No one here likes ripoff shit confidence pranksters. Go do that shit to your butt buddy right wingnuts.
mackita
1 / 5 (1) Dec 10, 2017
It's just not going to go anywhere
This is problem of yours only. I could extrapolate the above conclusion into many subsequent posts, because I actually understand the subject. Do you really believe, you're helping human civilization, when you're trying to prohibit me in it? You must be very proud of yourself by now...
Da Schneib
not rated yet Dec 10, 2017
No, @macurinetherapy, you're lying again. Drinking piss is your problem since you decided to own it. All I did was suggest it and you glommed on as a disciple.

Do you seriously contend drinking your own piss will help human civilization?

Really?

Really?

Really?
Da Schneib
not rated yet Dec 10, 2017
This is what you do with confidence pranksters: make them look foolish. There is no other way. They'll just keep trying, and they may even keep trying after they're demonstrated to be fools, but nothing else works. One must keep at it. It's like digging a mine. There might always be more ore; you have to judge when you got enough.
mackita
1 / 5 (1) Dec 10, 2017
Drinking piss is your problem since you decided to own it.
Nope, you decided to attribute it to me - this is a difference. I just cited Wikipedia, that ancient civilization and animals use urea for many purposes. The urea is component of most cosmetics and healing products from good reason. I just said, there is no smoke without fire. All the rest about suggestion of DRINKING OWN urine for EVERYBODY is just yours intentional lie, i.e. fallacious extrapolation of what I said. So that my answer is: not, really not, really not.
mackita
1 / 5 (1) Dec 10, 2017
This is what you do with confidence pranksters: make them look foolish. There is no other way
Only if you have no logical arguments. Making the opponent look foolish instead of arguing it is already a dumb foolish fallacy, which you just elevated to meritorious act. This is philosophy of sociopaths and forum trolls, Of course every person which uses logical arguments looks like "confidence prankster" for trolls, who have neither confidence, neither arguments - this is solely normal and logical of sort. The problem is, you must prove first, my confidence is unsubstantial. And you can hardly achieve it with dumb transparent fallacy - it will just make your problem with confidence worse. And it actually does.
Captain Stumpy
not rated yet Dec 10, 2017
@zeph
Urinotherapy doesn't belong into my expertise, but maybe some rational basis also exist behind it.
yeah, you're more of a expert in Coprophagia judging by what you've continually spewed over the years

by all means - what rational basis is there for drinking urine?
...even if i would advocate the drinking of urine (which I didn't and which is the sole invention of yours)
whoopsie! you should learn to read because you just got caught lying!

i quote you
Note, I didn't say, that EVERYONE should drink piss - only people who are in deep sh*t and have no better solution could try it
for starters: no one should drink their urine (or anyone else's for that matter)

for two: if someone is in "deep sh*t" then the last thing they need to do is drink urine as urine is a waste product of the body

mackita
1 / 5 (1) Dec 11, 2017
OK, enough of urine and back to subject. I already explained, that existence of monopole implies the free energy. Until you prove the opposite, this claim applies like it or not. Another thing, which is known and confirmed in robust way is, the monopoles exist within boson condensate, where the speed of light gets lower, than the speed of motion of boson condensate itself. So that every system, which manages to move faster than the speed of electromagnetic wave propagation is prime candidate for both monopole, both free energy release. Note that speed of light in vacuum plays no role here - only the speed of electromagnetic wave in an environment given - which may be indeed way lower. Boson condensates are typical systems, where the speed of light gets slowed down to a few meters per second or eventually stopped completely. Such a condensate systems are therefore most perspective with respect to free energy generation.
Captain Stumpy
not rated yet Dec 11, 2017
enough of urine
actually, I posted about you lying using your own words/posts
and I require evidence for your claims (still)
I already explained, that existence of monopole implies the free energy. Until you prove the opposite, this claim applies like it or not
idiot
it doesn't work like that: you made the claim, you prove it

If you make a claim without evidence, then the counterclaim (reciprocal) without evidence holds the exact same validity.

If you say something is without being able to prove it with evidence than simply saying something is *not* is equally valid and holds the same truth.

one of the cornerstones of the scientific method is:
the claim PLUS physical evidence supporting claim PLUS it must be compatible with observation AND past validated knowledge

dismissal of a baseless claim is not prejudice or wrong, it is *required* by the scientific method
Another thing, which is known and confirmed in robust way is
see above
mackita
1 / 5 (1) Dec 11, 2017
Like I said, put a magnetic dipole somewhere, and guide a magnetic monopole in a closed loop along one of the dipole's magnetic field lines. Since at all times the monopole will be moving in the direction of the force it will gain an energy.
Consider the following variation of the original situation. We run a current through an infinitely long straight wire to set up a magnetic field that circles around the wire. Now we place a ring of magnetic monopoles around the wire. The ring of monopoles will start rotating with the magnetic field. This rotating ring of magnetic monopoles constitutes a loop of magnetic current. Just as a loop of electric current generates a magnetic field, the loop of magnetic current generates an electric field. The original electric current points opposite this new electric field and so additional work has to be done to maintain the original electric current. This additional work is exactly equal to the energy gained by the accelerating ring of monopoles.
mackita
1 / 5 (1) Dec 11, 2017
We can also consider the monopole continuously threading through the superconducting loop. Depending on the relative sense of circulation, either the monopole gains energy at the expense of the supercurrent, or vice versa. Regardless of whether circulating monopole gains or loses energy in following along the lines of B generated by the supercurrent, the supercurrent itself will do squat. One either accepts that energy-momentum conservation would dramatically fail, or take the scenario as proof that a stable monopole cannot exist.
Da Schneib
not rated yet Dec 11, 2017
@macurinetherapy, the entire point is that you didn't even think about the implications of what you were endorsing. And you never do. You're a fool, willing to advocate that everyone drink their own urine. You are uncritical, to say the least, and willing to advocate anything no matter how idiotic to say the worst. Such an uncritical person is, as the saying goes, keeping their mind so open their brains fall out on the street.
Captain Stumpy
not rated yet Dec 11, 2017
@zeph
Like I said
and like I said:
If you make a claim without evidence, then the counterclaim (reciprocal) without evidence holds the exact same validity.

If you say something is without being able to prove it with evidence than simply saying something is *not* is equally valid and holds the same truth.

one of the cornerstones of the scientific method is:
the claim PLUS physical evidence supporting claim PLUS it must be compatible with observation AND past validated knowledge

dismissal of a baseless claim is not prejudice or wrong, it is *required* by the scientific method

.

so what does all that mean?
it means you're wrong
period

full stop

PS - overunity = perpetual motion
to coin a phrase that drives home the point: ain't no such thing as a free lunch
Da Schneib
not rated yet Dec 11, 2017
What disturbs me the most, @macurinetherapy, is that you have no ability to say, "Wellp, obviously that was wrong and stupid and I shouldn't have said it." It's always someone else's fault according to you.

Normal people aren't that stupid. You have an agenda. It's obvious.
mackita
1 / 5 (1) Dec 11, 2017
@Schneib, Stumpy: at the case you haven't understand it yet: I'm arguing here only for sufficiently intelligent people, who are capable to understand it. The people who cannot understand it and only repeat "no such thing as a free lunch exists" indeed cannot expect any discussion with me. It has no logical meaning to argue things with people, who cannot argue.
Da Schneib
1 / 5 (1) Dec 11, 2017
@macurinetherapy, you are arguing for the stupids or you wouldn't be dumb enough to advocate drinking your own piss.
mackita
1 / 5 (1) Dec 11, 2017
the claim PLUS physical evidence supporting claim PLUS it must be compatible with observation AND past validated knowledge
This is literally impossible: for example, dark matter violates past validated knowledge (general relativity) and it was actually observed just by these violations. If it would be consistent with general relativity, we couldn't observe it - and vice-versa. Most of phenomena were observed just like anomaly violating established experience.
Da Schneib
1 / 5 (1) Dec 11, 2017
You can dodge all you want, @macurinetherapy, but it's not going to get you out of advocating everyone drink their own piss to improve society.
mackita
1 / 5 (1) Dec 11, 2017
Who says it couldn't improve the society? Most of people are plain dumb and if they would drink their own piss enough, it would make place for the rest to say at least. This is hard to argue.
Da Schneib
not rated yet Dec 11, 2017
LOL @macurinetherapy will believe anything.
Captain Stumpy
not rated yet Dec 11, 2017
@idiot
@Schneib, Stumpy: at the case you haven't understand it yet: I'm arguing here only for sufficiently intelligent people, who are capable to understand it
1- the problem is not that I don't understand you, but rather that you don't know what the f*ck you're talking about

2- repeating your BS doesn't make it somehow more intellectual. It makes it part of your dogma. You can continue to chant away but it doesn't make it real any more than standing in a garage makes you a Toyota
This is literally impossible
just because you don't understand it doesn't mean we're all idiots too

you have a condition called Dunning-Kruger and you honestly think you understand things that others just can't grasp (as you state above)

that doesn't make you intelligent - it makes you blind to reality

.

PS - don't misinterpret the colour added to an article by an english major author as being science like you do everywhere else. science is more than just a web page
Mimath224
5 / 5 (1) Dec 11, 2017
@Da Schneib Yes, I understood that, thank you. I am surprised you are expending so much effort on mackita. I am replying to said poster but I won't engage in a duel. It isn't worth it.
@mackita this will be my only post to you. If you reply I will not engage again. Lene Hau 2014 did apparently slow light in a B-E condensate to about 15 mph, note 'mph'. But to do this required a lot of work and energy input so any 'free energy' available thru research (for monoploles etc) would be absolutely minuscule compared to work done to achieve it. This is probably the main fault with most 'free energy' ideas. As I have said before on other threads (and CS said the same above) whatever you or anything does there is always a price to pay. That is the reality of all systems...in this universe anyway, Ha!
mackita
1 / 5 (1) Dec 11, 2017
@Mimath224 That's correct, but for example inside superconductors (which contain condensate of electrons) the speed of magnetic field propagation gets zero even at much higher temperatures (Meissner effect). Even common ferromagnets have speed of magnetization visibly delayed after magnetic field (magnetic viscosity, Barkhausen noise).
The fact that magnetic monopole would allow free energy still doesn't imply, that such free energy can be obtained, because the formation of magnetic monopole can also consume energy. What is reality and what not we will see in near future - I hope. For example this article claims free energy from thermal fluctuations at much higher energy density than boson condensate would allow - and it's promoted by University of Arcansas - not by some "crackpot" site.
mackita
1 / 5 (1) Dec 15, 2017
According the recent observations the graphene can be made magnetic and it can also host magnetic monopoles. Therefore it's not so surprising to read, that graphite has been utilized both for free energy generation both for recoiless drive effects. This is an illustration of correspondence principle: once you violate one theory (Maxwell equations), then another theory based on energy conservation could get violated too (Newton laws). The primary mechanism aren't monopole though - but presence of time-reversed Dirac electrons, which enable both the charge and magnetic flux leaking, both interaction with vacuum fluctuations.
mackita
1 / 5 (1) Dec 15, 2017
Because magnetic monopoles arise from boson condensates, which are present in superconductors (BEC theory), it shouldn't also surprise us, that graphite was found occasionally superconductive (1, 2). These findings were all bravely ignored by mainstream physics - despite they all play well together and graphene is even currently in center of mainstream research.

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