New theory on why the sun's corona is hotter than its surface

October 10, 2017 by Bob Yirka, Phys.org report
Image and lightcurves of the HXR and SXR emissions. a, HXR (above ~3 keV) emission observed by FOXSI-2 on 11 December 2014, 19:13:47–19:14:25 ut (cyan contours) overlaid on SXR (below ~3 keV) images (see colour scale) of two active regions taken with Hinode/XRT (sensitive to >2 MK). Active region 12234, shown in the yellow box, exhibited no individual flaring activity during the time interval, and was selected for the analysis. b, GOES/XRS (top), Hinode/XRT (middle) and FOXSI-2 (bottom) lightcurves. The GOES lightcurve is for the full Sun, and the XRT and FOXSI lightcurves are for 12234. The error bars in the FOXSI-2 lightcurve show 1σ standard deviation statistical errors. The gaps in the FOXSI-2 lightcurve show the intervals for pointing changes. The blue box shows the integration time for the FOXSI-2 image in a. Credit: Nature Astronomy (2017). DOI: 10.1038/s41550-017-0269-z

(Phys.org)—A team of researchers from the U.S., Japan and Switzerland has found possible evidence of a source of energy that could be responsible for heating the sun's corona. In their paper published in the journal Nature Astronomy, the researchers describe studying data from the FOXSI-2 sounding rocket and what it revealed.

One of the interesting problems in space research is explaining why the sun's atmosphere (its corona) is so much hotter than its surface. The chief problem standing in the way of an answer is the lack of suitable instruments for measuring what occurs on the sun's surface and its atmosphere. In this new effort, the researchers used data from the FOXSI-2 sounding (a rocket payload carrying seven telescopes designed to study the sun) to test a that suggests heat is injected into the atmosphere by multiple tiny explosions (very small ) on the surface of the sun. Such flares are too small to see with most observational equipment, so the idea has remained just a theory. But now, the new data offers some evidence suggesting the theory is correct.

To test the theory, the researchers looked at X-ray emissions from the corona and found some that were very energetic. This is significant, because solar flares emit X-rays. But the team was studying a part of the sun that had no visible solar flares occurring at the time. This, of course, hinted at another source. The research team suggests the only likely source is superheated plasma that could only have occurred due to nanoflares.

The researchers acknowledge that their findings do not yet solve the , but they believe they might be getting close. They note that much more research is required—next year, they point out, another sounding rocket will be launched with equipment even more sensitive than that used in the last round, offering better detection of faint X-rays. Also, plans are underway to launch a satellite capable of detecting nanoflares. If future tests can clearly identify the source of the X-rays, the coronal problem may soon be resolved.

Explore further: FOXSI: A next-generation X-ray telescope ready to fly

More information: Shin-nosuke Ishikawa et al. Detection of nanoflare-heated plasma in the solar corona by the FOXSI-2 sounding rocket, Nature Astronomy (2017). DOI: 10.1038/s41550-017-0269-z

Abstract
The processes that heat the solar and stellar coronae to several million kelvins, compared with the much cooler photosphere (5,800 K for the Sun), are still not well known1. One proposed mechanism is heating via a large number of small, unresolved, impulsive heating events called nanoflares2. Each event would heat and cool quickly, and the average effect would be a broad range of temperatures including a small amount of extremely hot plasma. However, detecting these faint, hot traces in the presence of brighter, cooler emission is observationally challenging. Here we present hard X-ray data from the second flight of the Focusing Optics X-ray Solar Imager (FOXSI-2), which detected emission above 7 keV from an active region of the Sun with no obvious individual X-ray flare emission. Through differential emission measure computations, we ascribe this emission to plasma heated above 10 MK, providing evidence for the existence of solar nanoflares. The quantitative evaluation of the hot plasma strongly constrains the coronal heating models.

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archytype_net
1.4 / 5 (10) Oct 10, 2017
Again more research which is needed but attributes the cause incorrectly.

We know the Sun receives electrical energy. There is the cause of a corona hotter than the surface or the core.
Chris_Reeve
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691Boat
4.7 / 5 (12) Oct 10, 2017
Again more research which is needed but attributes the cause incorrectly.

We know the Sun receives electrical energy. There is the cause of a corona hotter than the surface or the core.


What proof do you have that the Sun receives electrical energy?
Where does it get this electrical energy from?
Why is the Sun a voltage sink to the solar system / galaxy / whatever voltage source you made up?
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mackita
5 / 5 (1) Oct 10, 2017
IMO the observation of microbursts in solar plasma is quite old already adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2007AAS...210.9413K
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Da Schneib
4.5 / 5 (8) Oct 10, 2017
@Chris_Spam contaminates another thread.

Can we talk about the real causes of coronal heating now, instead of a bunch of old and long disproven conjectures about electrical currents from nowhere heating things up?
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RealityCheck
1 / 5 (6) Oct 10, 2017
An FYI.

Back in 2014 in the below-linked PO thread, especially starting with my October 10 posts therein, I pointed out that Plasmoid formation and fusion processes therein, caused many of the ejections of material into/through the sun's corona, hence explaining the heating of said corona and the cause of mass ejections beyond same to surrounding space.

Relevant thread:

https://phys.org/...per.html

Note where Da Schneib, despite his insults and unheeding tactics/denials etc, was eventually forced to admit I was correct all along and he incorrect.

It's now good to see recent mainstream investigators/theoreticians considering/ackniowledging what was obvious all along to my objective observation/understanding of the relevant science. Cheers! :)

Da Schneib
5 / 5 (7) Oct 10, 2017
Source and sink, @RC. That's the subject here, not your usual trolling.

On Earth.
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (6) Oct 10, 2017
@Da Schneib.
Source and sink, @RC. That's the subject here, not your usual trolling.

On Earth.
Please note the Title of this news item/page, mate. It says:
New theory on why the sun's corona is hotter than its surface


See the SUN's CORONA question/theory re explanation/cause for WHY the latter is HOTTER than the formers's surface, DS?

That's what my FYI post was directed to. Please refrain from further usual mischaracterizing/strawmanning tactics, DS. Thanks. :)
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (7) Oct 10, 2017
I'm only talking about your EUdiot #physicscrank BS, @RC. If a current is causing it, where's the source, and where's the sink? Currents have sources and sinks. It's fundamental physics, but of course an EUdiot #physicscrank just denies and ignores it since they believe currents emerge from nowhere and disappear back into nowhere, just like unicorns.

You know, all that math and stuff you deny.

Oh and BTW you lied again. Now you're claiming I'm denying the Sun's corona. Got any more whoppers to make up? Good luck with that.
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (6) Oct 10, 2017
@Da Schneib.
I'm only talking about your EUdiot #physicscrank BS, @RC. If a current is causing it, where's the source, and where's the sink? Currents have sources and sinks. It's fundamental physics, but of course an EUdiot #physicscrank just denies and ignores it since they believe currents emerge from nowhere and disappear back into nowhere, just like unicorns.

You know, all that math and stuff you deny.

Oh and BTW you lied again. Now you're claiming I'm denying the Sun's corona.
Why lie, DS? Who claimed THAT, not me!

And what have I told you often? I am NOT part of the 'EU crowd'. Get it straight now, DS?

As for currents; they are generated by heat/fusion/flows and other processes going on in the sun (convection driven/charge-separation driven etc). We have already long covered such things back in that 2014 (flux-tube and plasmoids exchanges, remember?). Please don't feign 'convenient amnesia' now as a tactic for derailing THIS thread too, mate. Thanks. :)
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (6) Oct 10, 2017
@RC, you're lying again.

Do it again and I'll post your lies again. Tit for tat @RC. You lie like a rug.

Source and sink, @RC. There aren't any magic currents coming from nowhere heating things up.
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (6) Oct 10, 2017
@Da Schneib.
@RC, you're lying again.

Do it again and I'll post your lies again. Tit for tat @RC. You lie like a rug.

Source and sink, @RC. There aren't any magic currents coming from nowhere heating things up.
Yep, seems like you are drunk again, DS. Recall that this drunk-posting tactics and crying 'liar' did not work for you every time you have tried it on me. Recall that thread on plasmoids in sun?...

https://phys.org/...ies.html

Wherein you were drunk and calling me 'liar' despite you being wrong and me correct all along (which you finally had to admit)? Obviously your 'memory' is 'convenient' when you're drunk posting, mate; else you wouldn't have tried the same failed unconscionable 'cry liar' tactic again now.

Why do you do it, DS? What drives your ego to such tactics instead of learning properly? It's a waste of your intellect, DS. Stop drunk-posting/ego-tripping, mate! Leave that to AGW deniers! :)
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (6) Oct 10, 2017
OK, bend over, here it comes:

Thread where @RC lies about current research into cosmic voids and gets caught: https://phys.org/...ies.html
Thread where @RC makes conflicting claims within ten posts and gets caught: https://phys.org/...ome.html
Thread where @RC claims there is "REAL/PHYSICAL UNIVERSAL 'infinity'" and gets caught: https://phys.org/...rgy.html
Thread where @RC claims Rubin said galaxies will implode with out DM and confuses Zwicky with Rubin:https://phys.org/...zzy.html
Thread where @RC claims his "non math" approach is both abstract and non-abstract, and both is and is not math: https://phys.org/...ure.html
[contd]
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (6) Oct 10, 2017
[contd]
Thread where @RC lies about how long it takes a shockwave to move through a giant molecular cloud: https://phys.org/...cal.html
Thread where @RC lies fifteen times in ten posts and still can't stop, even when told he's being baited into lying: https://phys.org/...h_1.html
Thread where @RC lies that defining a black hole is "calling it black." https://phys.org/...ole.html
Thread where @RC lies about helium flash white dwarf detonations: https://phys.org/...arf.html

This troll lies every time it posts. There is no reason anyone should pay attention to this liar. Its constant trolling claims are that everyone else lies, and they are obvious on these threads.
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (5) Oct 10, 2017
@Da Schneib.

And there it is, DS. You've 'officially and demonstrably' morphed yourself into a SPAMMER; a self-deluded drunk poster and denier on the Internet; joining the likes of spamming AGW deniers and liars. Not good, DS. Rethink your drinking habits and your ego-tripping 'tactics', mate. Try. :)
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (6) Oct 10, 2017
Here's another five lies from @RC. Plenty more where these came from.

Thread where @RC lies about galactic dynamics following visible matter: https://phys.org/...rse.html
Thread where @RC lies about dark matter existing inside stars: https://phys.org/...ion.html
Thread where @RC lies about what Penrose and Steinhardt said about the Big Bang: https://phys.org/...ark.html
Thread where @RC lies about fractals even though it claims to reject math: https://phys.org/...rse.html
Thread where @RC lies about real infinity existing in physical reality again: https://phys.org/...rse.html

Keep lying, @RC. It's fun tormenting you and I can find another five, and another five, and another five where these came from. You lie in nearly every post you make and are an easy target.
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (5) Oct 10, 2017
@Da Schneib.

It's so sad to see you resort to spamming half-truths and misrepresenting self-serving opinions instead of addressing the scientific/logics points made in discussion, DS. Such self-destructive tactics and evasions and just plain malice is not part of the objective scientific method/discourse ethics/principles. So any younger readers coming across such a pitiful display of unscientific and unconscionable behavior, such as you are again exhibiting, should take great care to NOT emulate! It is the surest way to ruin your intellectual integrity and scientific credibility, DS. Younger readers (all readers for that matter) witnessing your tragic slide into self-delusion and unscientific ego-tripping, should take away the sad sight as a salutary reminder of what can happen when ego and malice drive your life and mind. What a waste, DS. Drink and Ego excesses has 'done for you'; obviously. Let's hope and trust other posters here/elsewhere don't go the same way. :)
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (6) Oct 10, 2017
And here are the next five lies @RC has told:

Thread where @RC tries to support EUdiocy (despite claiming not to): https://phys.org/...ion.html
Thread where @RC makes up stories about another poster: https://phys.org/...ars.html
Thread where @RC insults a user by lying about what that user said: https://phys.org/...ter.html
Thread where @RC lies about GR "predicting" singularities: https://phys.org/...s_1.html
Thread where @RC lies about BICEP2 and gets pwnt: https://phys.org/...urt.html
Note this last thread recapitulates an ongoing claim by @RC that "four defects" were found in the BICEP2 paper on inflation and @RC has never said what three of them are.

Do keep bringing it, @RC, I am enjoying digging up your lies and posting links to them. I got plenty more.
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (5) Oct 10, 2017
@RC keep in mind that every time I do this I am saving the new lies to a durable record and as you continue the number of posts that I make with your lies linked in them grows by another five of your lies and another post.

I've got 18. And I've barely gotten into 2016.
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (5) Oct 10, 2017
@Da Schneib.
@RC keep in mind that every time I do this I am saving the new lies to a durable record and as you continue the number of posts that I make with your lies linked in them grows by another five of your lies and another post.

I've got 18. And I've barely gotten into 2016.
You're delusional, mate. The posted record shows that you have been incorrect and me correct all along on many fronts. That you are in-denial and resort to spamming to reinforce your self-delusion is sad and somewhat creepy, mate. Please say there is a rational kernel left in that mind of yours, DS; please say that the drink and ego excesses have not completely obliterated all sense of rationality and proportion/conscience. If you keep this up, DS, you will end up yet another 'internet tragic' that lost it and had no strength of character to resist the inevitable decline into delusion and infamy. The @Forum can only hope that somewhere inside you remains a spark of integrity. Try, DS! :)
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (5) Oct 10, 2017
@RC likes to lie about people by calling them "delusional" when they point out its lies. It's a standard technique. What I'm going to do now is start posting a new five lies each time it posts, and since it seems to be alternating between threads, I'll post five new ones on this thread and then another five new ones on the other thread.

There are plenty of @RC lies to allow this for a very long time. I am enjoying myself. Keep your supercilious attacks coming, @RC, I have plenty of your own material to keep you busy.
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (5) Oct 10, 2017
Here we go now:

Thread where @RC lies about an "infinite number of points" having actual physical significance: https://phys.org/...ess.html
Thread where @RC lies about "not belonging to... EU crowd:" https://phys.org/...ted.html
Thread where @RC lies about the current SM of cosmology by equating it to the original LeMaitre hypothesis: https://phys.org/...big.html
Thread where @RC lies about "Electric Currents" driving gas outflows from black holes, and note that this individual still claims not to be an EUdiot: https://phys.org/...due.html
Thread where @RC claims EUdiots have "provided learning opportunities" for professional astrophysicists without evidence: https://phys.org/...big.html

Keep bringing it, @RC, always plenty more where this came from.
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (5) Oct 10, 2017
@Da Schneib.
@RC likes to lie about people by calling them "delusional" when they point out its lies. It's a standard technique. What I'm going to do now is start posting a new five lies each time it posts, and since it seems to be alternating between threads, I'll post five new ones on this thread and then another five new ones on the other thread.

There are plenty of @RC lies to allow this for a very long time. I am enjoying myself. Keep your supercilious attacks coming, @RC, I have plenty of your own material to keep you busy.
Why do this to yourself, DS? It's getting creepy as well as sad to watch. Can't you see that the @Forum readers ALREADY have PROOF that it was YOU that boasted about NOT reading while pretending to 'know' but didn't in fact 'know' anything/correctly?

They also noted from our exchanges in thread...

https://phys.org/...per.html

...that YOU 'cry liar' as a 'tactic' when YOU wrong/lying, DS. Denial!
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (5) Oct 10, 2017
And remember, @RC, every one of these is new and every one is unique. You will be seeing a lot more of these. Apparently ten of them wasn't enough, I'm up to about 35 of them now and will be apparently collecting plenty more. I can put out ten unique lies you have told on four different threads, all unique, none duplicated.

You lie too much to be so arrogant and supercilious. It's very satisfying making you look silly. Please feel free to boost me to 50 threads where you lied.

Oh and I found another thread where @RDC didn't lie. It's another one it didn't post in. :D
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (5) Oct 10, 2017
@Da Schneib.

Mate, if you spent even a fraction of your time/intellect on actually honestly engaging with the science/logics points raised, as you do with your endless personal drunken/ego tactics in ignorance and malice, you might actually have learned something in those threads. As it is, DS, your ego and denial is raging against my being confirmed correct all along by recent mainstream discovery/reviews while you have been left 'holding the baby' of BB etc fantasies and flawed paradigms flowing therefrom for decades. Penrose/Steinhardt and others are 'moving on' from those old fantasies, but YOU and the other ignorant 'believers and diehard parrots' haven't understood either the OLD or the EVOLVING paradigm based on reality not fantasy. Get a life and a scruple, DS; the scientific/logical investigation/comprehension of the universal reality is patently beyond your method/ken. Leave it to those who can be objective, fairminded as the scientific method/discourse requires.
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (5) Oct 10, 2017
@RC, I have engaged with you. You lie, and then you have some supercilious insult after you lied. There is no point. I'm not dealing with you on that basis. I am treating you like you treat everyone else all the time. Apparently you like that since you show no sign of stopping.

And just for the record, I'm not just posting links to threads, I'm saying exactly what lie @RC told on each thread. This is how we document the lies of #EUdiot #physicscrank #trolls. Because otherwise they start lying about what lies they told. They think that confuses people because most people are brighter than they are, they think most people are dumber, and they wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
cantdrive85
1 / 5 (5) Oct 10, 2017
RC, save yourself from the minutiae of da schnied. He will just lie and change the subject when shown to be incorrect. Oh, and he will conjure an excuse and disappear from the thread as shown by the lesson I gave him on "open field lines". 'Member that da schnied, when you tried to convince everyone you had discovered a magnetic monpole with an open field line attach at one end? Then I showed the moronacy of your ways and then he changed the subject to electric charges? RC, da schnied is little more than a mental midget too stupid to fight his way out of a wet paper bag, on par with thecaptain of all Stoopids, Cap'n Stoopid. He is Cap'n Major Stoopid.
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (5) Oct 10, 2017
@Da Schneib.
I have engaged with you. You lie, and then you have some supercilious insult after you lied. There is no point. I'm not dealing with you on that basis. I am treating you like you treat everyone else all the time. Apparently you like that since you show no sign of stopping.

And just for the record, I'm not just posting links to threads, I'm saying exactly what lie @RC told on each thread. This is how we document the lies of #EUdiot #physicscrank #trolls. Because otherwise they start lying about what lies they told. They think that confuses people because most people are brighter than they are, they think most people are dumber, and they wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
Mate, why keep doing this to yourself? I need only ONE representative thread/link to demonstrate what YOUR idea of "engage with you" means/involves, DS:

https://phys.org/...per.html

Everyone can see for themselves how YOU "engage", DS. Bad.
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (5) Oct 10, 2017
And here we go yet again:

Thread where @RC lies about astrophysicists' knowledge of the galactic magnetic field: https://phys.org/...ays.html
Thread where @RC claims the polar outflows from a planetary nebula are a Z-pinch (standard EUdiot drivel, despite its claims it's not an EUdiot): https://phys.org/...ula.html
Thread where @RC claims the Big Bang never happened then tries to equate it to the BICEP2 situation, which it never justifies: https://phys.org/...ate.html
Thread where @RC claims the Big Bang is a religious belief: https://phys.org/...rse.html
Thread where @RC makes more unsupported claims about BICEP2 and again claims Steinhardt denies the Big Bang: https://phys.org/...big.html

This individual even lies about its own beliefs. Why would anyone bother with this drivel?
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (5) Oct 10, 2017
@RC, no matter what you claim, you cannot be believed. You lie on every thread you post on. Your claims about science, about other people, and even about what you yourself say you believe, are shown to be lies by your own statements. You can't even tell the truth about your own beliefs. You are a pitiful parody of a human being with no personal integrity and without the ability to stop yourself from lying; you do it at the drop of a hat and then make up insults to cover it up. You are despicable, and despised as we can see from the votes you get. You are mind pollution wherever you go, for anyone who is unwary enough to believe you for a second. You are a shameful figure of an imitation of a person, and most people see right through you and dislike and avoid you.
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (5) Oct 10, 2017
@Da Schneib.
And here we go yet again: ...

...

This individual even lies about its own beliefs. Why would anyone bother with this drivel?
And there lay the denial and projection psychosis exhibited by you, DS. If you really want to "go again", then try to explain to the @Forum readers why you lie and misrepresent yourself and me DESPITE the following proof of your own lies and misrepresentations while I was correct all along and you incorrect/lying:

https://phys.org/...per.html

Remember, DS; it's not ME you should explain yourself to, but the @Forum readers who have read the above thread/link and seen the TRUTH about your lies/tactics and my correctness all along. Your denials and misrepresentations and spamming are all for nought, DS; the truth is already on record. You are only deceiving yourself now, DS. Stop it before you go beyond recovery, mate. Try. :)
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (5) Oct 10, 2017
Dude, I've posted 45 lies you've told and I'm about to post another five threads you've contaminated with your lies, bringing the total to 50. You have nothing credible to say here. I won't even bother to refute your latest attempts to lie, or bother to read more of your supercilious insults you use to try to cover your lies up; you have so many old ones it's easier to just keep bringing them out. You've been lying here so long that anyone who doesn't know you lie in every post hasn't been paying attention.

And you can expect to keep seeing these lies over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Thanks for helping me find enough to make sure I can post five lies you've told on ten threads without repeating myself.
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (5) Oct 10, 2017
@Da Schneib.
Dude, I've posted 45 lies you've told and I'm about to post another five threads you've contaminated with your lies, bringing the total to 50. You have nothing credible to say here. I won't even bother to refute your latest attempts to lie, or bother to read more of your supercilious insults you use to try to cover your lies up; you have so many old ones it's easier to just keep bringing them out. You've been lying here so long that anyone who doesn't know you lie in every post hasn't been paying attention.

And you can expect to keep seeing these lies over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Thanks for helping me find enough to make sure I can post five lies you've told on ten threads without repeating myself.
All the refutation necessary to put the lie to your 'version' of record is self-evident in following thread/link...

https://phys.org/...per.html

Your SPAM is your DENIAL/LIES, DS.
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (5) Oct 10, 2017
OK, here we go, 50 lies FTW:

Thread where @RC claims there are "humongous amounts of stuff" in empty space: https://phys.org/...ack.html
Thread where @RC claims scientists are engaged in a giant conspiracy to hide the fact that the Big Bang isn't real: https://phys.org/...ion.html
Thread where @RC claims inflation is "blown" by one astrophysicist denying it: https://phys.org/...rgy.html
Thread where @RC claims matter turns into gravity and vice versa: https://phys.org/...ard.html
Thread where @RC claims LIGO gravitational wave detections are due to coincidences: https://phys.org/...les.html

That would be 50 threads @RC has posted lies to. I see no point in continuing; but I'll have these in my pocket for when I need them later. :D
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (5) Oct 11, 2017
Ha! I counted them up, and I only got 49 on my list. So here's one more as a bonus:

Another thread where @RC claims inflation is a "religion:" https://phys.org/...ure.html

As a special bonus this one also contains the lie that there's some kind of unspecified problem with the distance ladder, supposedly "proved" [sic] by "new" supernova or CMB data (neither of which has been proven wrong). On Earth.

All 50 lies are on my list and available to fight this troll off and hopefully convince it to go away or stop trolling.
Chris_Reeve
Oct 11, 2017
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RealityCheck
1 / 5 (3) Oct 11, 2017
@Da Schneib.
That would be 50 threads @RC has posted lies to. I see no point in continuing; but I'll have these in my pocket for when I need them later. :D
Now you're getting manic, mate; you are twisting things so obviously that even your own conscience must be screaming at you! Stop now, DS! You have only to read ONE thread/link to show you the truth about yourself, mate:

https://phys.org/...per.html

Explain that to yourself/@Forum rationally and see that your spamming is only evading the reality you need to face squarely if you are going to recover. Go on, face it; read it; explain it. Then wake up! Before its too late, DS.
Da Schneib
4.4 / 5 (7) Oct 11, 2017
@Chris_Spam, there is no "new idea" that's going to create electric currents that appear out of or disappear into nowhere. This is perpetual motion, and violates at least three different conservation laws, none of which has ever been observed to be violated in any credible repeatable experiment. There is nothing to miss. We have been looking for three hundred years and never, ever, has anyone described any repeatable verifiable experiment in which any one of these three laws has been violated.

Energy, mass, and charge do not appear out of or disappear into nowhere, and entropy never decreases permanently. Any conjecture that claims they do without rigorous justification by experiment may be rejected a priori. And what you propose is exactly that. Sorry, man, there isn't anywhere to hide here.
wduckss
not rated yet Oct 11, 2017
Testing theory.
Why do we have a thermosphere on Earth?
Why is it on the dark side of Mars warmer than the dark side of Mercury or Months?
Are there also some "very small solar flares"?
The theory can not look single and ignore the whole.
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (5) Oct 11, 2017
Hmmm.

We have a thermosphere around the outside of the Earth's atmosphere because the Sun makes ultraviolet radiation.

The dark side of Mars is warmer than the dark side of Mercury because Mars has an atmosphere and Mercury does not.

It appears from this article as if there are small solar flares that do not emerge from sunspots.

I don't know what planet "Months" refers to, and I have no idea why you think an observation is a theory, or what "look single and ignore the whole" means. If you will clarify these statements I'll attempt to give you an answer. I don't think you can ask for better than that.
Chris_Reeve
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cantdrive85
2 / 5 (2) Oct 11, 2017
That is a great quote Chris, and accurate as well. That whole "electricity happens first" thing you guys keep trying to push gets blasted back to fantasy land every time you have to use magnetic fields to experiment with plasma

You have as yet not explained how to create you magic bowls without the use of electric currents.
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cantdrive85
2 / 5 (2) Oct 11, 2017
I don't create magic bowls, nature does.

Really, you don't say! Were these magic bowls dug up in some special mine somewhere? If nature creates them how does 'what's his name' apply for a patent for said magic bowls?
Speaking of charged particle behavior, an electric field will direct particle behavior as well, not just magnetic fields. But I digress, you don't believe electric fields exist, only magic bowls...
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (2) Oct 11, 2017
I don't create magic bowls, nature does.

Really, you don't say! Were these magic bowls dug up in some special mine somewhere? If nature creates them how does 'what's his name' apply for a patent for said magic bowls?

Aren't the "bowls", in actuality, really just opposing polarizations of interacting magnetic fields?
Speaking of charged particle behavior, an electric field will direct particle behavior as well, not just magnetic fields.

Only if there is magnetic presence... which is dependent on the proximity of (baryonic) mass...
Ergo, it varies in value.
But I digress, you don't believe electric fields exist, only magic bowls...

I think he believes interacting magnetic fields produce electrical "fields". I agree with that.
cantdrive85
2 / 5 (2) Oct 11, 2017
What is that invisible force in an "electric field" that acts upon charged particles again?

The invisible force is the electric force, as described by Coulomb's Law. You know, electrostatics and all, high school stuff. It is this interaction that can "get the ball rollin'" so to speak, regarding the initiation of currents. Once charges are in motion you get the complexity of self-mag fields and other complexities.
Obviously we are discussing electromagnetism and in the grand scheme of things electricity and magnetism are inseperable hand maidens regardless of your attempts to make everything about magnetism alone.
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Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (1) Oct 12, 2017
Collectively, what I think is happening is that we are embedded into a plasma fractal.

Which, quite probably, is (along with a tipping point of others) embedded in another, far larger one...
And people are free to think I am crazy,

As if anyone here is qualified to judge "crazy".

Crazy is a subjective term for "creative"... (Makes it easier to accept)
End of my judgement on the matter...:-)
but many of the features of this fractal -- the double layers which appear to protect the contents, the filaments which transport electrical energy, the birthing of galaxies from other galaxies -- there is a vague suggestion that the fractal is alive.

Not alive. Simply interacting with other like member phenomenae of the greater fractal set.
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (1) Oct 12, 2017
The invisible force is the electric force, as described by Coulomb's Law. You know, electrostatics and all, high school stuff. It is this interaction that can "get the ball rollin'" so to speak, regarding the initiation of currents.

Only if there is magnetic presence... which is dependent on the proximity of sufficiently charged (baryonic) mass...
Once charges are in motion you get the complexity of self-mag fields and other complexities.

self-mag...?
Obviously we are discussing electromagnetism

Yep
and in the grand scheme of things electricity and magnetism are inseperable hand maidens regardless of your attempts to make everything about magnetism alone.

Not about magnetism alone. It's about interacting magnetic fields generating electricity with then facilitate MORE magnetism (which is really just charge polarization), generating MORE electricity.. and so on...
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