EU puts burden on rich north in new greenhouse gas targets

Germany and Luxembourg must cut emissions by 40 percent over 2005 levels under new targets set by the EU
Germany and Luxembourg must cut emissions by 40 percent over 2005 levels under new targets set by the EU

The European Union on Wednesday unveiled national targets for cutting greenhouse gases by 2030, placing the burden on richer northern countries to help meet the bloc's UN goal.

The plans for the 28 EU member states put the onus on Sweden, Luxembourg, Finland, Denmark, Germany, Britain, France and Austria as the bloc seeks to meet its commitment to cut emissions by 40 percent over 1990 levels.

The EU set the 2030 target as its overall pledge in the UN's , reached in Paris last December. Its members must now agree on how this burden is shared out.

"The national binding targets we are proposing are fair, flexible and realistic," EU Climate Commissioner Miguel Arias Canete said in a statement.

"They set the right incentives to unleash investments in sectors like transport, agriculture, buildings and waste management."

Under the targets, which are based on economic growth, powerhouse Germany and tiny Luxembourg must cut emissions by 40 percent over 2005 levels, while Finland and Denmark must cut emissions by 39 percent.

Britain—which has voted to leave the EU—and France are asked to cut emissions by 37 percent while Netherlands and Austria should cut by 36 percent, according to the numbers released by the European Commission, the EU executive.

But the system allows for flexibility. Member states can reduce jointly across a range of sectors and over time.


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Jul 20, 2016
It is time for all of us to do it. Do not wait for your neighbor to be a good citizen first.

It will be the wind evolution, PV evolution and the EV revolution which will be the greatest help.

Jul 20, 2016
Do not wait for your neighbor to be a good citizen first.

LOL
Uh huh. Tell us about your bad neighbours and how you got your PV before them.

Jul 20, 2016
Let's compare mine with yours. We have eighteen panels, at 255W each, plus an inverter and an electric vehicle.

What do you have?

Jul 20, 2016
Hmmm. One would wonder if gkam got his PV to brag, more than to help the environment.


Jul 20, 2016
One would wonder if gkam got his PV to brag, more than to help the environment.


Well I will tell you about that Estevan-Skippy. He send to me a picture with a brag. I did not even have to ask him for it, it just showed up in my email one day.

And I say to my self, "hooyeei,, the p'tit boug he buy him self some solar panes".

But later when he was feuding with the Captain-Skippy about them, Captain-Skippy say something about the Google satellite pictures and I thought to my self, "he lie to me about the electric car, I wonder he did not lie about the solar panes too, eh? And looking at the Google satellite pictures won't cost me $15 like it did to ask California DMV about his electric car."

Sure enough, and I tell you true Cher. He send me the picture of his neighbor's roof. With anybody else you would probably think I make that up. Non, ask Captain-Skippy to show you the two pictures Google and glam-Skippy's he send to me.

Jul 20, 2016
So I guess george goes over to his neighbors house and pumps him for info on his system, and then posts it here.

I wonder if his neighbor would appreciate this if he knew?

I wonder if his neighbor knows hes living next to a psychopath?

Actually I bet george just makes up all the info like he does all the other crap he posts here.

Jul 20, 2016
The North has done the most already.

But putting the burden on those most able to pay for it (as well as starting the problem), is appropriate. That includes us in North America.

Jul 20, 2016
@ Ira - I also checked his place out - just to see where the mothership will land, and decided to call it inconclusive. Not to give any benefit of a doubt, he doesn't deserve it.

I think he has discovered how to lie on the internet, and uses Physorg to practice. His present life must be lousy to live in the past so much.

If only he had learned to post without the "I, me, mine" he might enjoy this place a bit better.

"Scared sniper card ready for action sir." get ready...

Jul 20, 2016
@ Ira - I also checked his place out - just to see where the mothership will land, and decided to call it inconclusive. Not to give any benefit of a doubt, he doesn't deserve it.


Did you get to see the picture he send to me? What? Did the Captain-Skippy put him up on his interweb picture place? I need to go over there and see what he's got.

Jul 20, 2016
P.S. for Anybody. I lost the thing that tells my computer to go to Captain-Skippy's interweb picture place. Can somebody put it here. I want to see if Estevan-Skippy has seen the same pictures of glam-Skippy's neighbor's roof that glam-Skippy send to me.

Jul 20, 2016
@ Ira - http://s1027.phot...p;page=1 Password is VALIDATE

I took a look at the weather in N.O. and OH MY, that would melt me down in no time. It would take a while to get used to that.
Wife wants to visit relatives, I say in the winter sounds reeeeaaal good.
Have a good one, Cajun Philosopher.

Jul 20, 2016
Hmmm. One would wonder if gkam got his PV to brag, more than to help the environment.

- E57

An astute observation, as always.

[O,,o]


Jul 20, 2016
@ Ira - http://s1027.phot...p;page=1 Password is VALIDATE

I took a look at the weather in N.O. and OH MY, that would melt me down in no time. It would take a while to get used to that.
Wife wants to visit relatives, I say in the winter sounds reeeeaaal good.
Have a good one, Cajun Philosopher.


You come down in Mardi Gras and I will take you out to watch the Indians parade, everybody has to see that one time in person. Google "Mardi Gras Indians".


Jul 20, 2016
P.S. for Anybody. I lost the thing that tells my computer to go to Captain-Skippy's interweb picture place. Can somebody put it here. I want to see if Estevan-Skippy has seen the same pictures of glam-Skippy's neighbor's roof that glam-Skippy send to me.
- Ira

You do understand that by putting gkam's personal information online, especially in this website where gkam has admitted that he hates guns and doesn't have any of that kind of personal protection, that you have endangered the lives of gkam and his wife?
By posting gkam's address, anyone can go to his house with a loaded pistol and kill him and his wife and steal their possessions. Is this your intention? Do you realize that if something tragic happens to gkam and his wife at their home, their blood would be on YOUR hands, as well as Stumpy's. Don't you think that you have taken this too far? This man has never done anything to you except to brag all the time.

Jul 20, 2016
@ Egg-Unit - Gkams' info is in a photobucket account agreed upon by him and Stumpy.
He put his info there by his own hand to try to prove that he is "real".
He has been warned of the dangers of putting his info out on the 'net MANY times.

Many different people here have told him they don't want to know about him, but he insists that to be a "legitimate" poster here on Physorg you have to give name and address, etc..

Yes, he is in a pickle, but it's his pickle.
Now he must depend on the kindness of strangers. Scarlet O'Gkam
So far so good. But that's just being dramatic. Have a good day.

@ - Ira Sorry to speak for you Ira, but I thought you might be gone for the night.
I would love to see the Indian parade. The real authentic culture has more appeal to me than a wide variety of bars to get drunk in. And the music would be great to hear, too. As an ex-horn player, a wild-ass parade and lots of Jazz bands sounds like a great time anywhere.

Jul 21, 2016
Hmmmm looks like March 19th,2017 is on a Sunday, AND St. Josephs Day.

Super Sunday, it's on! A.L. Davis Park here I come. I'm gonna ask my wife to sew me a costume like one of the Big Chiefs for Halloween, just to see her face. Should be fun, and it avoids the Mardis Gras crowds, a little.

Jul 21, 2016
Ira

You do understand that by putting gkam's personal information online, especially in this website where gkam has admitted that he hates guns and doesn't have any of that kind of personal protection,


Well that is a good theory Cher. But you are writing to the wrong Skippy. glam-Skippy is the one who put all his information on the interweb. We even told him it was a stupid thing to do, a lot of times.

Do you realize that if something tragic happens to gkam and his wife at their home, their blood would be on YOUR hands,
Non, that is silly. glam-Skippy is the one who put all his stuffs on the interweb. He postumed his name and address here on the physorg all by him self. All we done is ridicule the interweb place he send us to.

Don't you think that you have taken this too far?
I give to him many opportunity to drop it. But he don't know how to take advice. He is too "REAL" for that. Real stupid I mean.


Jul 21, 2016
Aaaaaas for the article (I know it's currently not en vogue to discuss the articles in their comment sections. Sue me.)

I actually think it's a good idea on several levels to shift the burden to the richer countries
1) Historically the richer countries are those that have had more energy intensive industries earlier. So they have contributed more to the problem. Seems only fair to then make them clean up more of it.
2) The richer countries can afford the technologies employed more easily. The less rich countries will get the benefit of these technologies being less expensive (and also the benefit of expirience which approaches work best or don't work at all) by the time they do get around to implementing them

On the other hand the richer countries get the experience of building this stuff - so in the long run they, too, will profit because other countries will look to them for procurement of these technologies.

Jul 21, 2016
antialias,

You are correct. I said the same thing, but mine was obfuscated by the anonymous internet trolls who have emotional problems. Internet trolls are the lowest form of artificial life,

I have asked and demanded that Stumpy take down my DD-214 or hide the SSN, but he is really weird. No character.

But as long as they have the post, how do they like my performance reports? Did they look up the history of the 553d Recon Wing? See what the Commandant of the Air Force Flight Test Center said about me? My own Commander? The Avionics Officer?

I want Estevan to read all of it. READ IT ALL!

Maybe he can find some nasty way to disparage it, like Rumpy is trying. All of our characters are on display. Check them out.

Jul 21, 2016
antialias,

You are correct. I said the same thing, but mine was obfuscated by the anonymous internet trolls who have emotional problems. Internet trolls are the lowest form of artificial life,

Don't try to validate yourself by smooching up to me. As far as I'm concerned these 'internet trolls' are right and you are stark raving insane. I'm firmly on their side.

I set you to ignore.
Please set me to ignore.
Thank you.

Jul 21, 2016
I am not smooching to anybody, and am telling you that you just repeated me.

So much for real thought.

Jul 21, 2016
Yet you came sniveling up to me about those "internet trolls"...hoping I would come to your aid.

Nothing doing. As far as I'm concerned the site couldn't get rid of you fast enough.

Jul 21, 2016
Ha, . . I thought I was on ignore.

More lies?

And why are you hiding, too? Who are you, really?

You internet trolls are too scared to reveal yourselves and take responsibility for your hateful words. When we get the snipers off the forum, it will be much better.

Jul 21, 2016
And why are you hiding, too? Who are you, really?


@ glam-Skippy. How you are Cher? Still saying the foolishment I see. Anybody who has been here any amount of time knows that AA-Skippy is not hiding. Lot's of peoples here have even read his science papers. Just because you are to stupid to pay attention don't mean he is hiding.

And he is for certainment not the sniper, and saying you want to get him off the forum shows just how stupid you are about that sort of stuffs.

He contributes as much real science over the years as almost anybody I can think of. You have contributed nothing except bad slogans and good mockable stuffs. If we are going to start voting on who ought to get off the forum you are going to get your feelings hurt some more. You are regarded for being one of the top trolls by everybody but you.

Jul 21, 2016
And you have contributed nothing but silly personal statements, thinking you are some kind of Mark Twain in Cajun-speak, which is all an affectation.

Why do you hide and attack? No character?

I came on this forum identifying myself as a real person, and related some experiences which were pertinent to the issues at hand. You and the other resident trolls thought you had found another phony like yourselves and attacked. Putting all your credibility on proving me false was a bad idea, as you found it out. As I sent you proof, at first you tried to disparage it, then screamed it was false, then invented more silly stuff, all because I got to you.

Who are you folk and why do you hide from the Decent Folk?

Once again, this thread is not about me, although I seem to dominate your silly little life.

Jul 21, 2016
Why do you hide and attack?
I am not hiding. You are a troll moron. What? I am not supposed to notice you are the troll moron?

I came on this forum identifying myself as a real person, and related some experiences which were pertinent to the issues at hand.
Is "relating some experiences" another way of saying that in your first three days here you made over 50 relations of your "experiences" as the only reason what you make up of the top of your head is right. The other 50 postums you make on first three days was you saying stuffs you make up that are wrong. And for good measure, you throwed in another 50 silly slogans.

You and the other resident trolls thought you had found another phony like yourselves and attacked.
Cher, you are the troll.

Decent Folk?
You are not "Decent Folk". You are Folk With The Mental Conditions. And mental conditions with stupid is what makes you the troll.

I mean, who else would send out picture of his neighbor's roof?


Jul 21, 2016
Once again, this thread is not about me,
Well that is a good theory, let's put it to the test and see what observations tell to us.

Do not wait for your neighbor to be a good citizen first.
Says the Skippy who sends out the picture of his neighbor's roof to show off his solar panes.

Once again, this thread is not about me,
Well that is a good theory, let's put it to the test and see what observations tell to us.

Let's compare mine with yours. We have eighteen panels, at 255W each, plus an inverter and an electric vehicle.
Says the guy who sends out pictures of his neighbor's roof with 18 solar panes on it and California DMV don't have his electric car in their records.

Those is your first two postums on this article. You start them most like that. So why you say,,,
Once again, this thread is not about me,
,, not expect some mocks and ridicule?


Jul 21, 2016
If you cannot see the difference between my two-story house with panes on both levels and the others, it is you who are deficient.

And the picture I sent only has 16 panels showing. The other two are not in sight. Get your wife to count them for you.

Maybe if you pay another fifteen bucks, the e-Golf will be in the list at the DMV. Go look.

Your hate will allow you another fifteen bucks, go do it.

Meanwhile, you are still an anonymous troll, too scared to take responsibility for your own adolescent words.

I put my money up and did the right thing, and you resent it, because all you have is mouth. You think you are an environmentalist, and decry what the oil and gas folk are doing, while you ride around on your 9,000 hp diesel boat, polluting everything around you by your own admission.

Jul 21, 2016
I suggest Ira and the other anonymous snipers here just keep to the topic, and not let their terrible fixation on me to intrude.

They cannot do it.

But the rest of us can step up and clean up our acts, like grownups.

Jul 21, 2016
Ha, . . I thought I was on ignore.

More lies?

Well, I'm a bit bored (slow day at work)..so I thought I'd check out some posts. I do occasionally display comments by those I have on ignore (doing that scienctific approach: double checking that my decision to put them on ignore was merited every once in a while)
And yours was so obviously in reply to mine that I took at quick peek and found you sniveling.

And why are you hiding, too?

I just today posted some of my work over here.
http://medicalxpr...art.html
Those who know me will find my name in the references.
So what does this mean that "I'm hiding"?

When we get the snipers off the forum

"We" (by that I mean you) don't do shit on here. Your pull in these comment sections and on physorg is precisely zero. Don't kid yourself.
And no. I'm not sniping. I'm pointing the biggest gun possible at you at point blank range: Idiot. You contribute nothing.

Jul 21, 2016
You think you are an environmentalist, and decry what the oil and gas folk are doing, while you ride around on your 9,000 hp diesel boat,
It's the cleanest and most environmental friendly way to move the stuffs I move.

You "REAL" environmental management engineers would know that if you went to a "REAL" engineering school and studied "REAL" engineering. But then you are not sure whether you can do DE's, a "REAL" engineer would know that if you are unsure, you definitely can't.

That was a funny one. You said you studied thermodynamics, climate energy dynamics and environmental statistics, but when Bennie-Skippy ask you if you could do DE's you say "Probably not. We hire someone to do them for us". Stupid, eh?

Cher if you "Probably can't" do DE's, trust me, you definitely can't. If you got an undergraduate degree in ANY kind of engineering there would be no probably about it. You are "REAL" alright, a real phony. Seven kinds of engineer, more like eight kinds of moron.

Jul 21, 2016
Well, I brought out your true lack of character.

Jul 21, 2016
I ain't the one rage voting (or writing a whole bunch of lies)..so..yeah...good job on showing someone's lack of character. Bravo.

*sigh*

Jul 21, 2016
Rage voting? Did you look at the votes I get? Go do it.

Please put me on ignore or keep to the topic.

Thanks.

Jul 21, 2016
@Gkam - "I want Estevan to read all of it. READ IT ALL!" - Gkam

Again? I read it all a month ago. I remain unimpressed. You have led an ordinary life, and your best days are in the far past. I don't care about what you have done because doesn't show itself in what you post.

By the way if you find yourself raging at AA, you are very likely reacting emotionally to a much more educated person who happens to agree with those who actively despise your personality.

I tend to use AA as a bellwether of dysfunction, as in arguing with AA, probably a kook. = [

"Who are you folk and why do you hide from the Decent Folk?" - Gkam
Well, since there seems to be a consensus about you from a wide variety of people on this site, that means everyone but you are Decent Folk.

That reveals a lot about your character.


Jul 21, 2016
*sigh*
Its fun interacting with a psychopath, non?

Kind of like eating soup with a fork.

"many people who experience interactions with psychopaths and narcissists report feeling "drained" and confused and often subsequently experience deteriorating health. Does this mean that part of the dynamic, part of the explanation for why psychopaths will pursue "love relationships" and "friendships" that ostensibly can result in no observable material gain, is because there is an actual energy consumption?"

-This is another way of getting what gives them the most satisfaction.

"...we can only say that it seems to be that the psychopath ENJOYS making others suffer."
http://www.cassio...path.htm

Jul 21, 2016
The real george kamburoff doesnt have the guts to be human. Only to pretend to be human.

"Cleckley's seminal hypothesis concerning the psychopath is that he suffers from a very real mental illness indeed: a profound and incurable affective deficit. If he really feels anything at all, they are emotions of only the shallowest kind."

-Seriously. George was born with fewer guts than the normal caring, feeling human being.

"To many people, the idea of a child psychopath is almost unthinkable. But the fact is, true psychopaths are born, not made."

-And its kind of futile to feel sorry for people who are incapable of feeling sorry for others.

"Oh, indeed, they can imitate feelings, but the only real feelings they seem to have - the thing that drives them and causes them to act out different dramas for effect - is a sort of "predatorial hunger" for what they want."

-We can and should feel sorry for their victims however.

Jul 21, 2016
Hey, kids, the topic is how we "rich" folk should shoulder the burden. I have done so. Where are your solar cells and electric vehicle?

Your need to punish those who are real is a troubling sign. It means we have descended back to simple emotional beings, only reacting with hate and whatever violence can be wrung out of the internet.

Jul 22, 2016
that you have endangered[
@Surveillance_Egg_Unit
for the record: Google his name
you will find that i am not putting anything on the web that he hasn't already put out there himself, including his name, address and phone number
http://proxy2974....off.com/

(PS- for your own protection, i put the link to his site into a proxy and copied the addy here so you won't get issues with phishing or other threats that i regularly get from the idiot )

.

.

I actually think it's a good idea on several levels to shift the burden to the richer countries
@AA_P
mixed feelings about this, but i agree (somewhat) with you on the burden.

Jul 22, 2016
mixed feelings about this, but i agree (somewhat) with you on the burden.

Optimally every country would chip in as best as they can. But I fear that's not the world we live in. Global targets are set by physics and not much up for debate. If some countries cannot reach them others must take up the slack (and who else is going to do that but those with wealth to spare?). Specfically with relation to the article: The EU is a group and countries should (and do) help each other out.
Besides, I think it's just fair that we give some back. That's the sort of thing I have no problem paying taxes for.

And it's not really that the rich countries have a problem with lack of money (there may be problems with how the wealth is distributed *within* those countries). They are - in absolute terms of resources - well able to force adoption of climate saving technologies at a fast pace.

Jul 22, 2016
Well, I am glad that even the snipers agree with me, that we need to act, especially since we started the problem.

What you folk have done to help? You all talk like all this may be real, but is the problem of others. I suggest we all take action, and not just blabber about it.

.

Jul 22, 2016
Your need to punish those who are real is a troubling sign
Most real people dont have a compulsive need to lie. Most real people dont have a compulsive need to commandeer discussions in order to talk about themselves.

These are both troubling signs of mental illness.

What he says and does convinces us that george kamburoff is a very sick man.

Jul 22, 2016
"us"? Who are you?

You are just another anonymous sniper here, too scared to identify yourself because you cannot take responsibility for your own words.

That is why you HIDE.

Let's keep on topic, shall we? You can be nasty some other time.

Jul 22, 2016
Optimally every country would chip in as best as they can
@AA_P
yeah... optimally
I think it's just fair that we give some back. That's the sort of thing I have no problem paying taxes for
agreed

of course, it doesn't help that we have (and are) moving industry and production to poorer countries because of the cheap labour and the ability to circumvent regulations
They are - in absolute terms of resources - well able to force adoption of climate saving technologies at a fast pace.
yeah, i can agree with that

Jul 22, 2016
you cannot take responsibility for your own words
George kamburoff the lying cheating psychopath refuses to take responsibility for the lies he tells and the facts he makes up.

You could be lying and cheating anonymously but choose to trash your own rep by doing it under your real name.

In addition you give out sensitive info about your family, location, work history, and SS#, further convincing anybody who comes here (including potential clients and barristas) that george kamburoff is about as irresponsible as one can get.

And george thinks this sorry rep he has created is somehow somebody elses fault, further convincing readers that he is about as untrustworthy as one can get.

"A woman with a staggering record of fraud, deceit, lies, and broken promises concluded a letter to the parole board with, "I've let a lot of people down… One is only as good as her reputation and name. My word is as good as gold."

Jul 22, 2016
"us"? Who is us?
Why everybody who reads the lies you tell and the facts you make up.

My god youre dense.

Jul 27, 2016
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Jul 27, 2016
LBL your point is jibberish. "Life is truth and truth is life".

So what?

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